"PLAGUE" in Bible Discussions

 
  • Richard H Priday - 4 days ago
    Further thoughts on Revelation 9.

    The destruction of 200,000,000 demonic horses appears to be a one on one attack as even with world populations today; it would only be a handful of people who would die from each horse if say 5 billion remain after the 1/4 die in the seal judgments and other events. Those who purport such an event to be a worldwide war should consider this. We see no mention of earthly armies involved even in resisting these creatures; but along with the 5th Trumpet it is rather mysterious how such judgment would end.

    It certainly is likely that Satan has ultimate control over all these events which God allows; thus perhaps he does have some sort of temporary control over ending these punishments from the underworld. We simply don't have that information so it is conjecture it appears. Again; we are left with the conundrum as to whether this should be interpreted as 1/3 of the world at large or a judgment confined to 1/3 of the world's surface. Judging by the following Armageddon event we could surmise that this would help to eliminate many nations so that those "of the East" (presumably the far east as it mentions the rising sun such as China and Japan) can begin their transport across a newly dried out Euphrates. The horses indicate no ocean trip.There is much controversy over the drying out NOW of the Euphrates. Some of what is going on currently is related to dams and such. No doubt the intense worldwide droughts at the Tribulation will cause this as well. As for now there is no clearly substantiated news reports of the strange events that are rumored to occur.

    When we note the RESPONSE after these horrific judgments; we see nothing but intensification of sin. Verse 20 of Revelation 9 states:

    20Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
  • Richard H Priday - 5 days ago
    Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    This verse encapsulates what is going on in the second and third seals in what is the FOURTH seal. It adds the detail "beasts of the earth" which has been interpreted in two ways; animals or possibly plagues causes by animals. In any event the end result is one fourth of the earth dying. The question here is whether that means one quarter of the entire earth as a WHOLE; or a judgment confined to a quarter of the earth. If it is the latter it could mean that destruction was in that region and perhaps leaves room for SOME surviving it. That principle could of course occur in the world at large; but again not nit picking too much it will bring for most under their influence a fate of death by one or more of these means and hence be unprecedented in casualties.

    There are some who have stated that this primarily is a racial type of conflict or focusing on one on one combat. We don't see territories mentioned or armies; weapons; etc. If there is that type of conflict; no doubt it would simply aid the Antichrist Beast to consolidate his efforts for worldwide power and domination. Psalm 83 is one possibility of what will be in the early Tribulation when Israel's IMMEDIATE neighbors are obliterated. Zepheniah 2:4 says For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Logically speaking; Antichrist will have to appear to protect Israel for the first half of the Tribulation; or the temple sacrifices; preaching of the two prophets; etc will not be able to occur. We also see his primary goal is to have worship from the whole earth and also economic control. For a time Revelation 13 shows worldwide control.
  • Richard H Priday - 5 days ago
    Revelation series focusing on God's destruction rather than those of the world's armies: SEALS 2-4

    INTRODUCTION

    I am going to continue with the second through the fourth seal of Revelation here. My purpose is not to nit pick about every time death occurs because of man's weapons of war or whether it is by other means. The overall emphasis is to show how all the future events are ultimately controlled by the Lord and in a sense "choreographed" that way. Indeed; whatever the means surely the time of Jacob's trouble will be like no other in terms of the level of destruction on the earth. ( Jeremiah 30:7; Matt. 24:21).

    Since this is the case; we can't just look at statistics here to determine how awful things will be. That is clear from seeing that just EIGHT souls were saved on Noah's ark. Clearly there are many more than that; albeit a small percent of the earth at large that survives to repopulate in the Millennium. The demonic release "en masse" from the bottomless pit and probably other places in the underworld is what makes it so horrible as they will clearly be tormenting men by the 5th Trumpet. The giant hybrids of Noah's day were destroyed but we never saw a time of such horrible devastation by agents of evil as is to come.

    War famine and pestilence

    Deuteronomy 32:24-25 states: I will send wasting famine against them, consuming pestilence and deadly plague;

    I will send against them the fangs of wild beasts, the venom of vipers that glide in the dust.

    25 In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign.

    These themes of war; famine and pestilence are rife throughout the Old Testament in Ezekiel; and several passages in Jeremiah along with the solemn warnings of Matthew 24 and of course Revelation which we are discussing now. (also see Luke 21:11).

    God has judged this way as we see from the passages in Jeremiah in the past in order to take vengeance on the idolatry of Israel. The same thing will happen again.
  • Oseas - 2 weeks ago
    PUNISHMENT OF THE ANCIENT AND CORRUPT CHURCH OF ROME FROM NOW ON -THE ANTICHRIST'S CRADLE

    Revelation 18:1-5

    1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven,having great power;and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    2And he cried mightily voice,saying,Babylon the great is fallen,is fallen,and is become the habitation of devils,and the hold of every foul spirit,and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird

    3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication,and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies

    4Come out of her,my people,that ye be not partakers of her sins,and that ye receive not of her PLAGUES

    5For her sins have reached unto heaven,GOD hath remembered her iniquities

    In my foresee,I wrote in another site at April 19,2021-Death of Pope Francis-it must happen soon,until 2024 at the latest,no more.

    - The Beast of the earth(of Israel-the clay-Is.64:8)with two horns LIKE A LAMB rises up-Re.13:11

    -Election of the a new Pope-his nickname may be Paulus VII(?)

    -The Beast of the earth LIKE A LAMB manifests himself as God in Israel;in fact a false messiah,an esoteric,and kabbalistic and spiritist false messiah; John 5:43-47

    -The kabbalistic false messiah of the Jews,Beast of the earth, makes great signs and wonders of lie,even makes fire come down to the earth before men;(things of spiritism)

    -The Pope(Paulus VII?)will meet the Beast like lamb;

    -Both will develop a union between the RCC and Judaism,iron with clay-Dan.2:41-43,but they shall not cleave one to another, as iron is not mixed with clay;

    -A religious and universal satanic Empire will be build by both religious leaders;Re.11:1-2;

    -The esoteric Beast of the earth will make a deal with the Beast of sea and will give to the Beast of sea his Power,his Throne and great Authority-Re.13:2.The Antichrist's Empire is conceived by both Beasts.Then begins the last week-Dan.9:27
  • Bennymkje - 4 weeks ago
    Mark 6:45-56

    v.10 "And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place." St Mark also designates the twelve as the associates so the principle of Association is stated indirectly. Those who rejected them was tantamount to reject him who sent them.(v.11a) Compare Matt.10:40; Luke 10:16. The cities stood in judgment and were not part of the house. This explains that Jesus was not aware of the fate of John the Baptist, who would remain within as Erasmus would not join with Luther when broke away from the Mother Church.In his case it did not work, either. Within a century of his death religious wars broke out widening the rift farther. Honor of Herod, the unclean spirit was working among princes of the church. Both Calvin and Luther were not behind in their maneuvering.

    v.31 "And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while." Jesus had no interest in news of the day and it was no different than what we hear these days. Dog eats dog and ungodly men make a mountain of molehill of them. Their conspiracy theories are ropes they hang themselves with. So Jesus took them apart after they had completed their mission.

    vv.39-40 " And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass./ And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties".In the multiplying of loaves those who present were to form file and rank and the order within the house speak of worship with a sober mind and peace. Peace of God is the characteristic of the house where they lodged. Rumors of war, accidents famine plagues that assail us from news media tells the world where Satan has them in thrall and what does he flash before their eyes? Honor of a Herod and worth is it? By not giving glory an angel would strike him instantly. What price was his glory? (Ac.12:22-23)

    v.46 " And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray."
  • Bennymkje - 1 month ago
    Mark 5:24-34 "Twelve years"

    "And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years," The Spirit gives us when it comes to the healing of the daughter of Jairus and the woman with an issue of blood the number in terms of years in both cases.

    In the previous post we covered the Command number 12 being assigned to the gospel whether in heaven or on the earth. For this reason the Spirit refers to the everlasting gospel. ("And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people."-Re.14:6)

    The spiritual significance of the gospel is set in terms of man. In the case of Noah we have this rule:"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."(Ge.6:3) Life of The two who stood in need of healing was set in context of the word of God. By the same token having decreed a day for the Son (Ps.2:7-8) the seven 'days' are not days as we normally apply the duration of 24 hours. Instead it is set in the context of the everlasting covenant between God and Man. It is how we approach the entire opening chapter of the Book of Genesis. 'Days' and years" are kangaroo words so we are warned to look beyond the chronological time. We are considering the word as eternal and his promises are yea in his Son.

    The woman with the issue of blood came where Jesus was present in order to get the healing. He was in a throng did not stop her, She herself thought of a way and "She said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole./ And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague./ And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?"(vv.28-30) She was a pioneer for this reason. We read in 6:56 the sick touching the hem.
  • Momsage - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Hello Chrisdube:

    You asked this about the Apocrypha: "So if it wasn't "God inspired," how did it manage to remain between the Testaments for 270+ years?" Why the Apocrypha was included in the KJV until 1885 is a kind of mystery but it shouldn't be a cause to believe in this book as Holy Ghost inspired. What matters is this book contains some very serious false doctrines which proves it is not Holy Ghost inspired.

    In 2nd Maccabees 12: 40-43 it gives credence in giving prayers and alms so that the dead can be forgiven and eventually go to heaven. After a major battle during the preparation for burial of soldiers who had died, it was discovered that each of them was wearing amulets of devotion to pagan gods under their clothes which was sin: "Then under the tunic of each one of the dead, they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was the reason these men had fallen. So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; and they turned to supplication, praying that the sin that had been committed might be wholly blotted out,"

    In Baruch 3:4 it teaches that the dead can pray for themselves to eventually go to heaven. "O Lord Almighty, thou God of Israel, hear now the prayers of the dead Israelites, and of their children, which have sinned before thee, and not hearkened unto the voice of thee their God: for the which cause these plagues cleave unto us.

    In Tobit 9:12 it claims that alms can purge away sin. "For alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin. Those that exercise alms and righteousness shall be filled with life:"

    So whether we can give a precise reason why God allowed the Apocrypha to be included in the KJB for a time or not, it is a book to be avoided by true believers. God Bless :)
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Re.11:4-7 "The two witnesses" (2 of 2)

    The '1260 days' is a tag supplied the Spirit to indicate the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. By the same token the Gentiles are allowed to operate for 42 months. The 42 months' similarly is a tag. In an earlier post we saw 'the hour" during which the power of darkness prevailing over the children of disobedience. ( Luke 22:53). The beast as well as the enemies to Jesus who took him in the night belonged to the son of perdition. Judas Iscariot belonged to this group. This conflict reveals two laws, of the Spirit and of the sin.

    Let us look at the characteristics of the two witnesses. They are representatives of several prophets coming under the earthly ministry of Jesus who is the fulfillment of the law. They were "clothed in sackcloth'. It echoes the mourning of Daniel for three weeks,"(Dan.10:2-3)

    "And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." This recalls to us the seven plagues of Egypt" and of Elijah, "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy." In short these two witnesses present a composite picture of heroes of faith(He.11:33-38)

    On the flip side the number 42 months gives the beast who is a composite figure. John the Baptist was beheaded under a Herod and we have the beast in the Acts of the Apostles, "Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church./And he killed James the brother of John with the sword./And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also."(Ac.12:1-3)

    Finally " Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." This temple is not anything extant but what was founded on Zion. (1s.28:16) We see its culmination in Re.21.22-23

    And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it./... for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."
  • Oseas - 2 months ago
    Greetings Adam

    Good question. We are face to a deep and terrible puzzle/enigma. The most important is the Truth. GOD is Truth. The Word is GOD. The Word is from everlasting to everlasting. The GOD's people needs to investigate and seek Truth.

    Replying to your question, I must say that NAME does not exist in the original Hebrew Scripture, it was simply added.

    Remember, JESUS said: Re.22:18 -> I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

    What matters and prevails is the pure Word of GOD. Isaiah 12:3KJV says: Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. (Jo.7:38-> He that believes on me, as the Scripture has said,out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Compare with John 5:37-47)

    4 And in that Day (in this current Day, the seventh and last Day) shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.(This will LITERALLY be fulfilled: Revelation 7:1-8. 144K)

    5 Sing unto the Lord; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth. -> ( Revelation 11:15-18, among other biblical references.Take a look)

    6 Cry out and shout, you inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee. -> (Re.1:7-8-> 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, sais the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ->7 Behold,He comes with clouds;and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    GOD BLESS
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    God as a jealous God: Looking deeper into the covenant with Israel

    All men were created according to God's purposes and therefore are subject to God who is the Lord over the whole earth. Psalm 139 discusses how man was "fearfully and wonderfully made" so therefore before the fall we had the capacity to walk in perfect innocence before the Lord. The capacity or potential for evil and sin was present; however and we see that occurring with Lucifer as well as Adam and Eve in the garden (although with the angelic beings there may have been a longer period of time for their fall). In a sense it "rains upon the just and the unjust" ( Matt. 5:45) so that in this life there is a restraint of judgment on sin.

    The Lord chastises all those who are His own; therefore this principle applies to individuals as well as those who were part of those He brought forth in the Exodus up until the Israel of the present day. Being on the side of God as opposed to the pagans doesn't give room for justification of pride; and being a recipient of blessings around us for a season doesn't guarantee our own salvation either ( Romans 9:6-7). This passage shows a bloodline who were in God's geneology didn't guarantee anything either.

    Yesterday I considered the incident starting in Numbers 16 with the rebellion of the sons of Korah. Mercifully; there are Psalms from their descendants who survived that seem to bring hope that some were repentant after this terrifying judgment. The complaints the next day after the 250 were sucked down into the earth (which was directed to Moses) of somehow fomenting God's anger resulted in a plague. The incidents of rebellion among the exiles are too many tomention here; it is noteworthy to note that only Joshua and Caleb from that original generation were allowed to cross the Jordan after nearly 40 years wandering around in the desert. Moses surely was a child of God but couldn't make it due to one specific incident striking a stone in anger.
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Is.34:11-13 Pelicans, hedgehogs the owls

    "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."

    Cormorant according to Easton's Bible dictionary Heb. shalak, "plunging," or "darting down," (the Phalacrocorax carbo), ranked among the "unclean" birds; of the same family group as the pelican. Pelican in the Hebrew Ka'ath is noted for vomiter. " I am like a pelican of the wilderness: I am like an owl of the desert."(Ps.102:6) In the context of Palestine we are looking at 'my sword bathed bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment." As was with the plagues that visited upon the land of Egypt we need see what darting down of pelican does upon the inhabitants, 'the people of my curse.'

    Owls or ostriches This is supposed to be the Egyptian eagle-owl (Bubo ascalaphus), which frequentls the ruins in Egypt and Palestine. Its notable characteristic is its cry, strident hoots reverberating through desolations can be very unnerving.

    Hedgehog or porcupine are known to live in burrows under the ground.

    What we witness in the Middle East and the wholesale destruction reminds of nations gone berserk. Nevertheless God is in control.
  • Thedorse - 2 months ago
    Jesus told the Woman by the Well when she said We Worship in the Mountains and You Worship at Jerusalem. Basically He said, Throw that mess out the back door, throw Religion and Theology, Isms, Doctrines, man-made theories down the drain. And just Worship God in Spirit and Truth this is Whom He is seeking. Why does Man try to complicate things a child can understand. You can read this Bible to a Child and they will tell you what it says. But a Adult will have 10 different opinions. In Revelations 3 Vs. 7 - 10 . : Jesus said I open doors no Man can shut and shut doors no Man can open. He speaks of a Great Tribulation that will come upon not Europe, the Middle East, Israel but the whole World. And the Church at Philadelphia ( our time frame ) has been found faithful. And before all of the Events of the Plagues , Vials, Bowls, calamities even begin in the Book of Revelations. God tells the Church at Philadelphia He has set a Open Door for Them. A Escape Hatch, a Red Sea miracle. And what is that door ? It's called The Rapture. Its amazing to Me how little The Rapture is even being Preached about . I have a Message on Our Channel " Biscoe House of Mercy YouTube" titled " I Still Believe in The Rapture" . I would encourage People to watch it . Not because I'm on it . But because there's so much Scripture and Word Involved there. Line upon Line Precept Upon Precept Word upon Word.

    Reverend Michael Ray Dorsey
  • Bennymkje - 2 months ago
    Dan.12:11-12 "New Jerusalem" (2 of 2)

    Recap: The Spirit placed the tag 3, which is a Command number so the Son in heaven is Three. The Word become flesh is Four. 1260 refers to the earthly ministry of Jesus.

    Daniel's vision in Ch.12 gives us two sets of numbers 1260+30 +1290 days. 3X10 determined outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the point of rapture, which concerns the first fruits, the church. Multiples of 10 gives us the abiding life in Christ so every saint redeemed from the earth is led by the Spirit. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."Ro.8:14)

    second set 1335 is made up 1260+75

    Here we have 50 that refers to the *Jubilie.

    What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth. Before Jubilee year isproclaimed we have an interval which is given here. "And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled."(Re.20:8)

    *What does the Jubilee (5x10) signify? The land belongs to God and the glory of the land is in harmony with the glory of the Son as heir to all things. With the jubilee year the land is to be left fallow. This rest signified rest that is promised to saints redeemed from earth.

    The earth abides forever and New Jerusalem comes up free from any claim from with regards to their inheritance. New Jerusalem is for the heirs of promise.
  • Bennymkje - 3 months ago
    The Revelation (2 of 2)

    In the Book of Genesis the seven days accounted for the Everlasting Covenant and the generation of Jesus. The Book of the Revelation reveals the Ancient of days (notice the plural) So we are seeing the day of wrath on the earth and the cusp of the day of regeneration.

    The emblem of the slain Lamb was obliquely stated in 'the coat of skins' and in the scapegoat and Paschal lamb but in the last book we have the realities in heaven stretched over the constituted time. So the Lamb worthy to break open the seven seals are set before the foundation of the world. In the Four horsemen riding out in Re. Ch.6 thus gives us a context for all the wars famines plagues, pestilence mentioned in the history of nations. Similarly the red dragon appearing in Ch..12 'sinneth from the beginning'

    The book of the Revelation serves as an envoi to the salvation epic. It fits with the narrative mode of 'kangaroo event' (the wilderness wanderings of Israel as kangaroo event for our life as sojourners and pilgrims on the earth.

    Unlike the Genesis where generations of heaven and earth refers to' the day' ("that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"-Ge.2:4) the emphasis is on the testimony of Jesus Christ (1:2) so the throne of God and of the Lamb places the newness of His creation as the proof of the spirit of prophecy. " And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."(Re.19:10)

    "He sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John" This angel one of the witnesses in the cloud, probably John or any other in the body of Christ which explains, "thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus". These names are interchangeable. So how we conduct here has serious consequence. "and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."
  • Momsage - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Why is it so hard to accept that God in His omniscience had control of the writing, copying and translation of His word from the beginning to be sure we have the finished KJB today being the only infallible truth, the ONLY one written by the Holy Ghost? God is a powerful, almighty God and there is no place with Him for those whose corrupt His Word. Rev. 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

    Just a couple of examples.

    Rev. 13: 8 KJB "And I beheld, and heard an ANGEL (my emphasis) flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

    NIV "As I watched, I heard an EAGLE that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

    Mark 15: 28 NIV omits this verse which speaks of a prophecy of the Messiah being fulfilled by Jesus. This dilutes the deity of Christ.

    Luke 4:8 KJB "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

    NIV Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' " Again, dilutes the deity of Christ and His power to rebuke satan.

    God Bless :)
  • Momsage - In Reply - 3 months ago
    "if you use them, you trust them to be accurate, even if what they say is different from what God's translation says," All scripture is God breathed" This is circular reasoning. If you use them they must be right and they are right because you use them so they must all be God breathed. "God breathed" is not referring to the 200+ English translations out there. The changes made may be insignificant to you but not to God. Rev 22: 18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." A very profound WARNING. God had His hand in the copying and translating of His Word from the very beginning, to be sure it remained pure, to the time of the finished KJB which He always intended for modern man to have. The authors were directed by the Holy Spirit totally. God's omniscience does this. Rev. 13:8 the KJB talks about an angle, in the NIV the word angle was changed to EAGLE. Luke 4:8 KJB "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." NIV "Jesus answered, 'It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" This dilutes the Omnipotent attribute of Christ. Mark 15:28 NIV omits this verse which speaks of a prophecy of the Messiah being fulfilled by Jesus. This, also, dilutes the deity of Christ. There are so, so many more of these examples and they do matter to our understanding of what God's true word teaches us. As believers we must be able to trust the "Inspired Word of God" to the fullest. Reading the TRUE word of God can lead to the salvation of a soul but reading false doctrine certainly won't. God Bless :)
  • Richard H Priday - 4 months ago
    Christ's hidden attributes.

    Jesus of Nazareth came; in the flesh to fulfill numerous prophecies from the Old Testament of the Messiah to come; yet most didn't believe. This is inclusive of His own family members; the Pharisees and Saducees; and at times attitudes from His own disciples.

    Eventually after He was risen the stupor was lifted at least for those who He had called and chosen. (see John 1:11; John 7:4-5).

    In assessing the situation with the very real parable of Lazarus and the unnamed rich man; the very clear reality is shown that even if one was to rise from the dead they wouldn't believe ( Luke 16:31). This was proven by the soldiers and the concocted tale of how the body of Christ was stolen while they slept ( Matthew 28:13). It would be expected that the supernatural signs with the sun and moon during the Crucifixion would have been enough to convince everyone what had just happened; but we see similar things during the plagues in Revelation; yet the unregenerate in the end will attempt to fight Christ upon His return after hiding from Him during the sixth seal judgment.

    Thus; the Holy Spirit is hidden from the world. Much as Christ's acts were recognized; many would not understand that He was indeed the Son of God. Some; as the Pharisees would blaspheme stating that the source was Beelzebub which prompted the warnings of Mark 3:29. Others such as the crowds being fed or those being healed were caught up with having their stomachs filled or earthly ills relieved; and as we see in Luke 17:11-19 only one of ten lepers comes back to Christ to worship Him after being healed. The rest followed Christ's instructions technically to go show themselves to the priests to affirm healing but weren't giving priority to the Messiah over Levitical law. This speaks to us on how we should not have fear to authenticate what are genuine healings as opposed to false ones which sadly are commonplace today.
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Genesis 13:2 is not a proof text for showing godliness leads to wealth. That verse never says that Abraham's possessions were the result of God's blessings for his faithfulness.

    In fact, the scripture tells us that Abraham's possessions came as the immediate aftermath of Abraham's deceitful plan in Genesis 12:11-13 and Pharaoh's actions in response in Genesis 12:15-16. Abraham's actions and the possessions obtained as a result were not based on his fear of God, they were based on his fear of man No one should seek riches in this manner. And was Pharoah rich because he was blessed for obedience to God? Abraham himself says Pharaoh had no fear of God. And God was forced by this entire arrangement between Abraham and Pharoah to intervene with plagues to make Pharaoh drive Abraham out of his land to stop Abraham from continuing to enrich himself on the basis of his lie. Absolutely nothing in this entire incident demonstrates that Abraham was doing God's will and being blessed by God as a result. He was clearly being shotsightedly disobedient and was foolishly putting God's real purpose of bringing about a godly seed through Abraham and Sarah in grave danger.

    In any case, do not use Genesis 13:12 as a proof text that God blesses our obedience to his calling when it only demostrates God's unearned grace and faithfulness to His purposes despite our disobedience in devising shortsighted plans for gaining wealth apart from God's will.

    God did work it out for good by letting Abraham's possessions cause strife with Lot to finally return Abraham to his original calling of separating himself from his relatives. However, Abraham didn't realize God's reason for letting him obtain and keep those possessions until God once again began revealing His plans and purposes to him immediately upon Lot's departure. So God's purposes for letting us have wealth and ours often don't line up and we need to realize earthly wealth is never God's ultimate goal for his children.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Carleton,

    we are looking at a vision in Re.4 There we have the command,' Come up hither,' (4:1) We have the heaven the highest heaven and the sea of glass and altar of souls on which the throne is set. The same sea of glass we seen from the POV of Ezekiel who was among the exiles. Now St John is at the eye of level of throne in heaven.

    Ezekiel from below sees the same sea of glass, "And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above."(Ez.1:22)

    The souls slain for the martyrs are on the earth. They are not ressurected yet. As prayers of saints from the earth reach so the cries of the dead from lower parts reach heaven. Resurrection of the dead are in their order and it is not as you seem to imply.

    "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"

    The Lamb who prevailed upon to open the seals is St John's vision which we have in the Book of Daniel through the eye of OT saints. These are one and the same. Horsemen are color-coded to indicate the judgment so death on a pale horse shall be judged in due time. "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."(1 Co.15:26)

    Inaugural vision where St John sees the risen Christ and the Ancient of Days as one. They are in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks. This is a signal of the last Act in the Salvation 'Drama' where wars (sword),pestilence and plague shall be removed. "and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."(Re.21:4) The Book 'written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." is both blessings and judgment.
  • David0921 - 5 months ago
    The True Gospel (part1)

    The true gospel is circumscribed by the Bible, alone and in its entirety, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, in its original languages. The King James Version is translated from the oldest and most reliable manuscripts available, and the translators have sought to stick as closely as possible to the original text, which is in stark contrast to the modern translations that use inferior manuscripts and seek to reinterpret the original text and put it in more understandable language. That said, the KJV is far from perfect, it does contain errors, and the KJV translators were heavily influenced by the doctrines of the church, which when viewed from the superior vantage point of our day when we are very near the end of time and God is opening our understanding to many truths that were previously kept sealed ( Daniel 12:4,9), were very often faulty. Therefore, the serious Bible student should always carefully check the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek using the modern tools that are readily available, such as interlinears and concordances, which are keyed to the KJV.

    By definition, any gospel that cites an authority that is outside the 66 books of the Bible, or narrower than the Bible, is false. That includes gospels that look upon other books as divinely inspired or that feature the teachings of those who claim to have received direct revelation from God, whether in a dream or a vision or tongue, as in the tongues described in 1 Corinthians 14.

    Revelation 22:18-19

    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Continued in part 2
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Amen Brother Carleton.

    We interpret the scripture as literal as we can unless prompt by perhaps words that hint not to. such as Revelation 16:13. And I saw three unclean spirits "like frogs" come out of the mouth of the dragon, ( These are not frogs, they are like frogs.)

    Often you can go back to the Old Testament or other places for clarity in these symbols. perhaps the second plague that God sent upon Egypt was that of frogs. The Egyptians found the frogs to be so obnoxious that Pharaoh entreated Moses to remove all the frogs. And these frogs covered the whole land.

    These evil spirits coming out of the mouth of this unholy trinity may be what is spoken and persuaded of them. look at the preceding verse.

    (For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.) "Which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world" means this covers the whole word.

    God bless.
  • Biblepreacher12 - In Reply - 5 months ago
    The Bible says to come out from among them and not stay there in 2nd Cor 6:14-18 Many people always want to stay behind to see what happens. Just like Lot's wife, she was told not to turn around to see what happens to Sodom and Gomorrah and she became a pillar of salt. Just like watching a building burn down, many people want to see what happens. Just come out and be separate. People complain about their church and still keep going. Why? Because they were never taught to come out to separate. My parents are a fine example, complain about their church but they do not want to separate.

    2nd Cor 6:[14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    [15] And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

    [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

    [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    2nd Cor 7:1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    Rev 18:4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    [5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

    Jeremiah 5:26] For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

    [27] As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brothers in Christ

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    just to remember :

    NATION shall rise against NATION ... Will be G7, and G-20, and UN, among other World Entites, DISSOLVED?

    Get ready, yes, get ready

    Our GOD is in control of History, nothing random happens.

    Remember: Our GOD rests of His works in this seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium after Adam. By the way, GOD sent JESUS - the Word made flesh( John 1:14), He is the true God, and eternal life, and we know that the Son of GOD came (IN THE FOURTH DAY- John 5:17, take a look, or around 4000 years after Adam, even around 2000 years ago), and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is True, and we are in Him that is True, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and Eternal life- 1John 5:19-20.

    Our Lord JESUS said: All Power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Our Lord JESUS will exert all His Power from this beginning of this seventh and final millennium to destroy the works of the Devil, to destroy the Devil's WORLD with its all kind of structures: religious, and economic,social,military, among other systems of the satanic organizations and systems.By the way, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ;and He shall reign for ever and ever- Revelation 11:15-18.Take a look.

    By the way, one of the 7 heads of the MAN Beast of sea- Revelation 13:1-10- will be wounded to death; but his deadly wound will be healed (but how? well, the dragon( Revelation 13:11, will give to the MAN Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem), and great Authority- Revelation 13:2), and all the world ( Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2) will wonder after the MAN Beast of sea.

    Be careful and get ready

    Well, Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON. (see the site of purebibleforum)

    Revelation 18:4- Come out of her,my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    Get ready
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Oseas:

    There are different places in the prophecies that say Christ will pour out the same plagues that were poured out on the Egyptians.

    But, they want be LITERAL as they were in Egypt.

    Hail mingled with fire was one of the plagues in Egypt, as was frogs.

    Ezekiel 13:11 ....oh great hailstones shall fall, and a stormy wind shall rend it....

    Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead with him with pestilence and blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, and overflowing rain, and great hailstone, fire and brimstone.

    Isaiah 30:30 And the Lord SHALL CAUSE his glorious voice (his word) to be heard, and shall show the lighting down his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the FLAME of a devouring FIRE, with scattering, and tempest and hailstones.

    So all these are SYMBOLIC of something that is going to judge God's people, as did the plagues judge the Egyptians.

    John 5:22 ... God hath committed all judgement to the Son ...

    So these symbols of judgement are symbols of Christ, and Christ is the Word, and the WORD(S) of God JUDGES US.

    John 12:48 ... the words that I have spoken, the same words will judge you .....

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold the Lord has a mighty and strong one (the WORD), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters, shall cast down to earth with the hand

    Isaiah 28:3 The crown of PRIDE .....

    Isaiah 28:5 In that day (of judgement when one believes God's word) the Lord (the WORD) shall be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty,unto the residue his people.

    Isaiah 28:8 But they (the residue of his people) have also ERRED THROUGH WINE (explained in other scriptures, but is not alcoholic wine), and through strong drink (not alcohol) are OUT OF THE WAY (Christ is the way) .... they err in VISION and stumble in JUDGEMENT.

    I will continue in a second comment on the frogs.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Giannis - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hello GiGi

    There is nothing like that (an international jihad day) on the news here, and we are very close to Israel. Definitely a new age in the Middle East (and consequently in the whole world) begins with the slaughter of the Israeli civilians. It is really sad how satan has put so much hate inside people's heart. The Jews and the Arabs are really brother nations speaking similar languages (Elohim vs Allah). The events of the last times are unfolding in front of our eyes. There has been a message from God, the same during the last 2-3 years, "Dark clouds are coming to earth, but my people do not fear, I am protecting you, you will see the plagues of Egypt occuring to people but nothing will touch you." Lets be awake and in prayers. Lets keep the light on in our lamps and be ready to receive the coming Lord. Blessings to all.
  • Jimbob - 6 months ago
    The words, scripture, prophecy, and a book all = The KJB.

    ( Ps 12:6) The (words) of the LORD are pure (words)..

    (words) is #565; it means commandment, something said.

    ( Proverbs 30:6) Add thou not unto his (words) lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

    (words) in this verse is #1697; it means a book, chronicles, commandment, commune (-cation) promise, saying, sentence, (concerning) thought. (The words we are told not to add unto are in (a book)

    ( Isa 34:16) Seek ye out of the (book) of the LORD, and read,..

    (book) is #5612; it means writing (the art or a document) by implying a book, evidence, learn (-ed) (-ing) letter.

    ( 2 Tim 3:16) All (scripture) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

    (scripture) is #1124; it means a document, i.e. holy Writ (or its contents or a statement in it) to grave. to write, to describe.

    ( 2 Pet 1:20-21) The word (scripture) has the same meaning as above #1124, a document, holy Writ.

    (prophecy) is #4394; it means prediction (scriptural or other) a foreteller, an inspired speaker.

    ( Rev 1:2-3) v2 Who bare record of the (word of God) and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. v3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear (the words) (of this prophecy) and keep those things (which are written) therein: for the time is at hand.

    ( Rev 22:18-19) v18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the ((words of the prophecy of this book)), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. v19 And if any man shall take away from the ((words of the book of this prophecy)), God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    ( Ps 12:6-7) v7 Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    (preserve) is #5341; it means to guard, to protect, maintain, obey.
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Jim

    There's a reason for all of this that you have very accurately articulated,

    it's the Harlot, the false church, present day Christianity, worldwide, Rev 17:5 the apostasy spoken of in Rev 1, 2 & 3 which ripen & matured with the Roman Catholic's, then as the reformation started tearing down the darkness of popery, they, the protestant did not perfect it, but adulterated themselves with the kings of the earth, the Catholic's the mother, the protestant & all other sects but one, are the Harlots describe here, & then in time, that one also went into apostasy Rev 17:4 all forms of godliness without the Power, some more refine and subtlety dress then others, making a big show of Christian character, works & airy knowledge, but its all from the letter, learnt from the teaching & doctrine of men, in the art of science, as one would any other profession. They practice what the Apostles wrote of, who were lead by the Spirit to do it, but they don't do what the Apostles did in following the dictates of the Spirit which lead the Apostles to do it, Rom 8:14, but follows the learning from the letter & duplicate what they learn & believe they're being lead by the Spirit. NOT !

    The Substance is not known here, then they are other that are outright perverted as it is this day.

    Yet, God in His longsuffering love has a people within her, whom in Rev 18: calls out "come out of her My people, less you partake of her sins & plagues.

    Friends, these are weighty & eternal matters here, let us continue to consider what spiritual state we're truly in, personally & worldwide.

    Who will heed His Call, separated themselves from these Harlot's & Abominations of the earth?

    The trumpet is sounding, Awake, Awake My Beloved ones, come out of her!

    in love & truth
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    "Rainwalker

    Your thinking is from a human perspective,not from GOD's perspective. JESUS said: Luke 21:24-And they(the Jews-Israel)shall fall by the edge of the sword,and shall be led away captive into all nations(this part of the verse literally fulfilled against Israel, from 70 to 1948, 1878 years of severe curses and punishments,and plagues- Deuteronomy 28:15-63):and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles(this part of prophecy will literally fulfill in days to come,also according to the Revelation 11:2)until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    Matthew 24:15 -When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet( Daniel 12:6-12),stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth,let him understand)

    Daniel 12:6-12

    6And one said to the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

    7And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time,times,and an half;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,all these things shall be finished.

    8And I heard,but I understood not:then said I,O my Lord,what shall be the end of these things?

    9And he said,Go thy way,Daniel:for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END.

    10Many shall be PURIFIED,and made WHITE,and TRIED;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Jesus' sacrifice has already lasted 738,300 days,and now will be taken away),and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(in the midst of the last week of years),there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(END of this current world of Devil)

    12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Brother Jordyn

    You said"Babylon fell when Christ died on the cross.Creation was married to Christ at his resurrection".

    You are saying that, but does not fit together the Word of GOD. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD,self-executing,undersntand?What does the Word of GOD say for you and all? Come out of Babylon, MY PEOPLE, that you be not partakers of her sins,and that you receive not of her plagues.

    Wake up, wake up, it's midnight.And the sins of Babylon have reached unto HEAVEN, and GOD has remembered her iniquities.

    Therefore shall her plagues come in one Day(in the seventh and last Day, it is now, even now, from now on, understand?),death, and mourning,and famine;and she shall be utterly burned with fire:for strong is the Lord GOD who Judges her.

    Remember Revelation 18:20-23

    20Rejoice over Babylon, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for GOD has avenged you on her.

    21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying,Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

    22And the voice of harpers,and musicians,and of pipers,and trumpeters,shall be heard no more at all in thee;and no craftsman,of whatsoever craft he be,shall be found any more in thee;and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

    23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;for by thy sorceries were ALL NATIONS deceived.

    There will be a War(Rev.12 combined with Revelation 16:13-15)against Babylon.

    Get ready

    1Corinthians15:24-27

    24 The END cometh, when JESUS shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all RULE, and ALL AUTHORITY, and POWER

    25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet

    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed
  • Oseas - 7 months ago
    According to the GOD's Word,what needs to happen first?Exactly what is written in Revelation 18:1-5,i.e.the Judgment of the Great Whore,as follows:

    1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

    2 And he cried (will cry) mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

    The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church.Yes, the birthplace or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, unfortunately. 1John 2:19- They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:but they went out,

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    5 For her sins have reached unto heaven,and GOD hath remembered her iniquities.

    Just after the fall of Babylon the marriage of the Lamb will be celebrated, yes, the marriage of the Lamb comes and the wife of the Lamb will make herself ready,the Bride will make herself ready for this wonderful event,Hallelujah! And to her was granted that she be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white:for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

    AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON- Revelation 19:1-10

    1-I heard a great voice of much people in heaven,saying,Alleluia; Salvation,and Glory,and Honour,and Power,unto the Lord our GOD:

    2 For true and righteous are His Judgments: for He hath Judged the Great Whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.

    Get ready


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