"ISRAEL" in Bible Discussions

 
  • Adam - in Reply on Romans 12:8
    Hello, yes, I believe the whole Bible applies. I've heard people claim that Jesus fulfilling the law is abolishing the law, that it no longer applies whatsoever. Jesus already said that is wrong in the exact same verse of Matthew 5:17. He said he was not abolishing the law. So, I believe Jesus over what random people say. Fulfilling the law was through his death to pay for our sins, so we have grace as long as we follow Jesus- this is an active pursuit though. But that doesn't mean the law is gone. Keep in mind that Israelites has more than just moral law, but civil law, and ceremonial law. We don't need to follow the Israelite specific laws, just moral law. For example, 'do not kill'. Are some claiming that it's now just fine to kill your neighbor because Jesus fulfilled the law? That would be a very difficult argument for one to make that it's totally good to kill, when the Bible clearly says the opposite.

    Jesus already said what happens to people who are inactive, who do nothing, who blaspheme, who follow the world, who use grace as an excuse to sin as much as possible Matthew 7:21-23. Jesus says if you love him, then keep his commandments. John 14:15. If you don't keep them, you don't love him. If you don't love him and don't follow him, is it likely you'll be invited to spend eternity with him in heaven? Jesus warned his followers repeatedly through parables that most people will go to hell. It's interesting how some Christians are trying to claim sin is okay, that it doesn't matter and that it's wrong to say it's wrong. Satan is the great deceiver and even works within the community of believers to spread his lies. It's clear what Jesus already said, so I'm going to believe and follow him and his words, not the words of man.

    James 2 and Romans 6 explain this.

    Note that this is my belief through years of Bible study and prayer and you will have other Christians claim otherwise. I already know all their arguments and find them unbiblical. God bless...
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj on Amos 5
    Extend the Hand of Christ

    In this chapter we see Amos morns for Israel as they believed their wealth and religion made them secure while suppressing and victimizing the poor. In making application we see that many today follow in the same path of preaching prosperity while ignoring and suppressing the poor. Today our focus should be on Ministry or Service to restore the poor, needy, and sin sick showing them the way to a better life is Jesus-Christ. How about you? Do you Restore the needy or are you too busy to help others who find themselves in sins pit? Let us learn from our text today and the warning of Amos to extend the hand of Christ who find themselves in a pit due to their sin.
  • K8mb - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    2nd part reply

    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13 NASB).

    The apostle Paul said the Law was added only until Christ comes:

    Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressionsuntil the seed should come to whom the promise had been made (Galatians 3:19 NASB).

    Paul goes on to say the Law was our "tutor to lead us to Christ"; now that we are justified in Christ, we are no longer under the Law:

    But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor (Galatians 3:23-25 NASB).

    While the moral principles expressed in the Ten Commandments are reaffirmed in the New Testament, the command to observe the Sabbath is the only commandment not repeated. There is no New Testament command for believers to set aside the Sabbath as a day of worship. Exodus 31:13 says the Sabbath was a "sign between God and Israel," not God and the church.

    The first Christians were, of course, Jews, and when Gentiles began to enter the church, some Jewish Christians (Judaizers) tried to force new Gentile believers to follow the Law and observe the Sabbath (among other things). It became such a problem that Paul warned that no believer was to judge another believer with regard to the Sabbath:

    Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:16-17 NASB).

    A shadow is only an image cast by an object which represents its form. Paul said the Sabbath was a "mere shadow" that pointed to Christ. Once a person finds Christ, he or she no longer needs to follow the shadow.

    I hope this helps, God bless you.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Adam,

    If the book of Genesis is one cohesive book, then why are the events of Genesis chapter 10 concerning the dispersion of the children of Noah given to us BEFORE the cause of their dispersion in Genesis chapter 11? (i.e. the scattering of the sons of Noah in chapter 10 took place BECAUSE of the events that happened at the Tower of Babel in chapter 11)

    If Adam and Eve were the first two humans on earth, where did Cain find a wife?

    If Adam and Eve are the ONLY two people from which all humans descend from, then why does God make a point to distinguish between a Jew and a Gentile? (1 Corinthians 10:32)

    Why do we have different races on the planet after 6000 years of inter-breeding? A change in the location of a person does not make him a different race!

    Why does the HEBREW definition of the word "Gentile" refer to a FOREIGN nation from the nation of Israel?

    Why is the word "man" in Genesis 1:26 given in plural and defined as "mankind in general"?

    Why is the word "man" in Genesis 2:7 given in singular form, with the article, denoting the particular man Adam?

    Some of these topics may require research; (2 Timothy 2:15).

    Remember, the Bible was not written in English!

    There are many resources available to help gain a deeper understanding of the Word of God: Concordances (Strong's), Interlinear Bibles (Green's), Commentaries, etc.

    May God be with you in your quest to understand Scripture!
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Bob Hilt

    Thank you for your reply.

    You are correct; the (Hebrew) translation of the word "Gentile" is the word "goy." However, from the definition given below from Strong's Concordance it clearly states the word "FOREIGN."

    Hebrew definition;

    (#1471) goy, go-ee- a foreign nation; hence, a gentile; also (fig.) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:- Gentile / heathen / nation / people.

    In addition, the Greek definition, which you correctly defined as "ethnos" leaves no room for error concerning the topic we are discussing.

    Greek definition;

    "Gentiles"(#1484) ethnos, eth-nos- a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; spec. a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by impl. pagan):- Gentile / heathen / nation / people.

    The name "Gentiles" was given by God to all people that were considered foreign to the Jews, to their lineage, and to the covenant relationship they enjoyed with the Lord. They are collectively defined as any foreign nation in relation to the nation of Israel. The first occurrence of the word "Gentiles" is found in (Genesis 10:5), and concerns the spreading forth of the offspring of the sons of Noah into "their lands;" referring to the lands of the "Gentiles."

    Abraham is the father of many NATIONS, because GOD SAID that through him, ALL nations would be blessed! Not just (future) nation of Israel.

    The English speaking publishing houses of North America have no control or influence over the ORIGINAL words of God that we have locked in place. The Hebrew and Chaldean words of the Old Testament and the Greek words of the New Testament have been preserved for thousands of years through ancient documents such as:

    The Masoretec Text- The authoritative Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible.

    The Samaritan Pentateuch, which is a translation of the Torah into Aramaic. It is written in the Samaritan alphabet, which is supposed to be an ancient form of Hebrew, and is believed to have come down from the Ten Tribes as early as the 4th century B.C.
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj on Amos 4
    Are You Listening?

    In this chapter we see how the people refuse to turn to God because their hearts were wicked. No matter how God warned the people they refused to repent because they would not listen to God. In making application we see that the Lord is speaking but we fail to listen. How about you? Do you listen to the Lord? Let us learn from our text today and the example of Israel to see that the Lord is speaking to us through His word so we need to listen to receive His instruction, blessing, and favor.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    DJ I agree with your assessment of the sons of God. However please know that Gentiles can mean foreign nation, it merely means NATION. in Hebrew it is the word Goy and it means nation, no more and no less. In the Greek it comes from the work Ethnos, which is where the word Ethnic comes from, as in Ethnic group.

    It can mean foreign, heathen and the same word is also used in reference to Israel . The King James translated Nation and gentile differently using the same exact word. they were not consistent in their usage of the translation of the same word. Imagine if they wrote that Abraham would be the father of many gentiles. No in that instance they used the word nation, but the same goy word was used.

    Gentile does not mean non Jew even though the owners of the publishing houses want us to believe that is what it means.

    Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the (Goy) Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their (Goy) nations. Gentiles and nations is the same exact word in the Hebrew and Greek.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Adam

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    How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction (Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end (Isaiah 19:25).

    On a side note; you commented concerning the Tower of Babel.

    It is interesting to note that the dispersion of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their descendants is given in chapter 10, before the cause of their dispersion, which is recorded and explained in chapter 11.

    This is an example of a figure of speech known as Hysterologia, (Hys-ter-o-log-i-a). This figure is used when something is put last, which ought, according to the usual order, come first. It is, in a sense, a transposition of connected events.

    So then, the events of (Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place after the events of (Genesis 11:1-9), and the events of (Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place because of the events of (Genesis 11:1-9).

    In other words, it was only after the "tower" (Genesis 11:4) was built, and judgment was pronounced on the sons of Noah and others, that their language was then confounded, and the "GENERATIONS OF THE SONS OF NOAH" (Genesis 10:1) were "scattered" (Genesis 11:7, 8) from that general area into the different "isles" (Genesis 10:5), "lands" (Genesis 10:20), and "nations" (Genesis 10:31), and "peoples" (Revelation 17:5) of the earth.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Adam

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    Scripture concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at (Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

    The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5?

    "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."

    Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

    The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant. Neither does a change in one's geographical location, nor a confusion of language, will change the ethnicity of a particular race.

    If God said that "ALL FLESH" (Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Psalms 63
    The right hand is the dominant hand for most people. In battle, the right arm would wield the sword or draw the bowstring to shoot the arrow. A king would hold his sceptre in his right hand as a symbol of his power. To be placed at the right hand of the king would signify honor and authority given.

    In Genesis 48, Israel placed his right hand of blessing on the head of Joseph's younger son Ephraim while his left hand was on the head of the firstborn son Manasseh. His right hand deliberately conferred a greater blessing on Ephraim.

    Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God's right hand of power as Colossians 1 makes evident. He is also elevated to the right hand of God's throne in Heaven as declared in Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 1:3 and elsewhere in the scripture. David trusted the LORD as his Savior and prophetically includes this aspect of the LORD's nature in his psalms.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Chris,

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    The information given concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at (Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

    The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5? "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

    The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant.

    If God said that "ALL FLESH" (Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

    How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction (Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end (Isaiah 19:25).
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Hey Chris,

    We have examined the Scriptures and come to different conclusions. This is the beauty of the Word of God. Let us all keep learning and growing in His word.

    I will leave you with some final thoughts and questions concerning these particular topics.

    The information concerning the two separate and distinct accounts of the creation of man and the separate instructions given in Genesis 1:26-29 from that given in Genesis 2:4-7 can clearly account for the creation of mankind in general and the creation of Adam in particular.

    If we are all ancestors of the singular man Adam you say accounts for Genesis 1:26-29 AND Genesis 2:4-7, how have we such distinct and separate races upon the earth after 6000 years of interbreeding?

    One race mating with the same race does not produce another race or all the races; neither does migration.

    If we are all derived from one man, than we would only have one nation to speak of because we would all be of the same lineage! How then do we in the third dispensation of time (when we are all with God again) still find a distinction between the house of Israel and the other nations? In Revelation 21:24, we find the different Kings of the nations bringing their glory and honour inside the gates? (i.e. they live outside the gates; and we are all with God at this point in time.

    We are ALL of the family of God, i.e. of one blood (Acts 17:26, 1 John 1:7); but all are NOT of the same lineage.

    If God makes a distinction between the lineage of Adam and the nation of Israel from every other NATION upon the earth, shouldn't we!
  • Alex on Psalms 46
    Comment to WR about Abiding in Christ. WR Jesus says our relationship with Christ is like a branch and a vine,the branches have to abide in the Vine 24/7 or there will no fruit, IF THE BRANCHES do not abide in the Vine it dries up and dies and thats us we must abide in him continually,I was right its exactly like marriage made in heaven, You remember MOSES MARRIED ISRAEL TO GOD at Horeb with the blood saying this is what God has Enjoined unto you, and now we are married to Christ by a greater BLOOD, Enjoined means a marriage 2 becoming one . Jesus said i am the true vine and you are the branches abide in me and i in you. WR th disciples followed Jesus 24/7, they forsook ALL and followed him. We cannot follow Jesus 1 day a week it must be with all our hearts and minds etc we are the branches and he is that 1 true vine, even in the natural a branch and a Vine are 1.
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj on Amos 3
    Walking Together

    In this chapter we see the people of God going in an opposite direction from the Word of the Lord causing a separation in their walk with the Lord. In making application we see today that if we chose to act contrary to the Word of our Lord we will fail to walk together in fellowship with our Lord. How about you? Do you obey the Word of the Lord? Let us learn from our text today and the example of Israel to understand that two must agree, if they are to walk together.
  • Mishael on 2nd Timothy 31-8 on Acts 19:2
    Here's some good scriptures for parents of kids rioting in our streets.

    Jesus is Love but I don't think he would approve what is happening in our cities.

    These scriptures were canonized into the Bible.

    If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    If they get hit with a rubber bullet... they should have been home (if living in parents basement), keeping it clean.

    2 Timothy 3:1-8

    This know also, that in the Last Days (Jude 18) perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, un-thankful, unholy!

    Please do read the other verses! So should society go soft on these people?
  • Alex on Genesis 22
    The reason Issac was born was that Abraham might be multiplied as the sands by th seas giving God a special ppl but natural Israel was not a righteous ppl, there was none righteous no not one and that what God wanted a righteous ppl like himself the Promise was 2 fold about a heavenly ppl coming that wd be righteounsess in all the world as the stars of heaven thus the need for a heavenly son Christ JESUS an Israel of God th Father needed a good seed to sow in his ppl thus the sower and his precious seed th field being th world humanity God so loved the world, that good seed being th WORD a much greater seed then abrahams seed resulting in a ppl that cd not sin. ( them that are BORN of God can not sin ) But the Father swore by his very self when made that PROMISE to Christ impling that the seed of christ wd resultin n God being born in a man thats y Jesus said to whom the WORD came it made them Gods ( God swore by his very self when he made that PROMISE ) impling he was gonna multiply his veryself in humanity th world. Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth Pains th world and he said this when spoke of the New Covenant . The child that comes from Christ seed is spirit thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spriit which is the H.G. THAT Y HE REFERS TO THE H.G as the PROMISE THE H.G COMES BY HIS WORD HE SAID MEANING THE CHILD WILL COME VIA HIS SEED TH WORD AND TH WORD IS TH SEED OF GOD, thats y God swore by hisself he knew that real righteousness wd come via the seed of his Son. Thats y the Woman in Revelation 12 is giving birth she heard the word that good seed, her child is the H.G. TH PROMISE CHILD. Thus God will be multiplied in us Sinners,to whom the word came ( that good seed it made them Gods ) One of the facets of his death was Multiplication, when a seed dies it multiplies, smite the shephard and the sheep will be scattered then i will TURN MY HAND TO THE LITTLE ONES HIS OFFSPRING THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE THE H.G. PLURAL AS TH STARS OF HEAVEN GBU.
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj on Amos 2
    Ungodly Influences

    In this chapter we see the Moabites influencing Israel to worship Baal even though they new God's Word concerning this issue. In making application we see the importance of not yoking or being influenced by the ungodly but to simply trust the Word of God. How about you? Do you see the how the ungodly try to influence the redeemed through their actions? Let us learn from our text today and the life Amos to see that the wicked will attempt to influence those who serve the Lord so let us hold fast to the Word of God so we will receive the blessings of God.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Chris,

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    In addressing your comment mentioning that God would not properly be representing all races; I will state that God chose Adam and his lineage to bring forth, umbilical cord to umbilical cord, the Savior of the world (Genesis 3:15). That promise by our heavenly Father made this particular lineage the most important lineage to ever walk on the face of the planet. All other peoples and nations mentioned in the Bible are only due to their interaction, good or bad, (Isaiah 10:5) with God's chosen people and the nation of Israel.

    We are all children of God, blessed by Him, and given freewill to believe whatever we want!

    On a side note, you state that Adam and Eve were made "in the image of God." The PLURAL words of God stating "in OUR image, after OUR likeness" (Genesis 1:27) is the intention of God to make the mortal features of mankind to be a physical reflection of God and the angels. We are to be a representative figure of what we looked like in the 1st Dispensation of time. We are an illusion of that spiritual body, but delivered unto these flesh bodies in order to be tried and tested by God by the very freewill He grants unto us. How could God the Father and His only begotten Son know us beforehand if the first time we came into existence was in these flesh bodies in this 2nd Dispensation of time? The answer is simple; God "did foreknow" (Romans 8:29) each and every one of us because we were all there in the 1st Dispensation of time. The only One made in the true image of God is His only begotten Son (John 5:37, John 10:30 John 14:7, John 14:9, Colossians 1:14, Colossians 1:15. The clear understanding that there are 3 heaven and earth ages can be found in 2 Peter 3:6, 2 Peter 3:7, 2 Peter 3:13.

    Question If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?
  • Al on Psalms 120
    JR Church, (now passed into the Lord's presence) mentioned that each year has a corresponding Psalm beginning with the year Israel again became a nation. Psalms 120 certainly speaks to this year, 2020. The COVID-19 certainly has people world-wide distressed. Fake news and falsehoods seem to be rampant so it is difficult to discern truth from error. Those who seek peace are under threat from all sides both of removing individual human rights as well as the Saber rattling of conflicts and International wars. Israel, and Jews world-wide are experiencing much anti-Semitic sentiment and in many instances, outright attack. They are for peace, but the nations surrounding them are for war and are on a quest to wipe Israel off the world map. So, Psalms 120 is definitely prophetic for this year! It is time, like the psalmist says, to call on the Lord, because He does hear! Notice that the Psalm is stated in the present tense rather than referencing the past. Psalms 120 definitely is a word of prophecy and admonition for the present!
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 17
    ......Revelation 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    Revelation 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

    Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

    Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    the two witnesses of God are mentioned here:

    Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. NOT Rome or in Mecca or the USA

    Jerusalem killed the prophets, not Rome, and since babylon killed the prophets = Jerusalem

    Ezekiel 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

    Malachi 2:11 - Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
  • MB - in Reply on Revelation 11
    The two witnesses are Elijah and Moses.

    Muslims did not come into existence until late in the sixth century. Peoples of the Bible are referred to by their nation, or positions. Like Egyptian or Jordanians.

    Moses was a Prophet who preached to and lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Here in Revelation he represents the New Testament. He is also a "type" of Christ. Compare their attributes, there are many things common to both Moses and Christ.

    Elijah was a Prophet who here in Revelation represents the Old Testament. He preached to the Northern Tribes of Israel dressed in camel skins and fur. John the Baptist was a type of Elijah in attire and message he preached, and also was a Prophet.

    A Muslim person will have a major role in Daniel's 70th week as the Antichrist.
  • Trinity - in Reply on Jeremiah 51
    Rich you are totally correct, it is America. Russia will also play a role in destroying this country. The sad part is people have been taught the word of God wrong and believe the saints will be raptured out and not experience the things that are to come. We have been taught that the fake jews in Israel as Revelation 2:9 speaks of are the true people of the land, which is totally false. The Tribe of Judah ( Black People ) are the true Hebrews that have the semitic bloodline. The atrocities done to Judah and the children of Israel along with sin will be the reason for the destruction of babylon..
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Kings 13:2
    In that account you're reading, we see King Jeroboam (a bad king of Israel) had been sacrificing to idols on the altar. Then the man of God (a prophet) came to him & prophesied against that filthy altar that one day, Josiah (a good king of Judah) would desecrate those altars & indeed put the wicked priests themselves upon the altars to be burned. You can then read the rest of that encounter between Jeroboam & the prophet in that chapter, & indeed the folly of that prophet later in his disobedience to God that brought about his death. So the ashes in v 3, are not necessarily symbolic, but just signifying the death of those wicked priests, that both the ashes & the altars will be removed completely.
  • Chris - in Reply on Leviticus 23:27
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    e. Feast of Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24). "ye shall have a Sabbath (rest), a memorial of blowing of Trumpets, an holy convocation". A picture of rest that we have in Christ & the sound of the Rapture Trumpet & our presence with our Saviour. Yet to be fulfilled, but a certain looking forward to event.

    f. Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16; 23:26-32). A day to make restitution for the wrongs committed. A day of humility & repentance. Animals were sacrificed yearly but could never deal with the permanency of the sin issue. But it looked forward to when Jesus would come to atone for sins permanently (Hebrews 9:12-14). The offering of bulls & goats was for payment for their sin, but in Leviticus 16:10, there was the Scapegoat that bore the sins & took it away (into the wilderness). Our debt has been paid & removed.

    g. Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34). Feast followed the Day of Atonement. It recalls God's provision to Israel during their 40 years of wandering & they remembered that time by dwelling in temporary structures for seven days. As He dwelt with His people in the Tabernacle, He also, through the Spirit, dwells in us (Matthew 1:23: God with us).

    So, I've given this brief rundown of the Jewish Feasts simply to show that all the Feasts of the OT are fulfilled in Jesus Christ, at the Cross & at His Coming again. To perform them now as a Christian has absolutely no meaning & may even demonstrate disdain to His Finished Work.
  • Chris - in Reply on Leviticus 23:27
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    William, if you would allow me to guide you further with this.

    Actually, the whole Law (10 Commandments including Precepts, Ways, Statutes, Commandments, Ordinances, Word, Path, as well as the Ceremonial Laws, Sacrificial Laws & Feast Days) were fulfilled completely in Christ & His Cross.

    But to your research with the Feast Days, I would say:

    a. Passover (Leviticus 23:5). Fulfilled completely in Christ (John 1:29). To remember this Feast practically would mean that one would still be looking forward to a time when a Passover Lamb would be truly acceptable to God.

    b. Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:6). Fulfilled in Christ (John 6:35). This Feast was in remembrance of the Israelites fleeing Egyptian captivity & unable to carry leaven to add to their bread. So this freedom from hardships is remembered in that Unleavened Bread. Leaven is represented as sin & decay; once incorporated it becomes inseparable in bread; same is true of sin in our lives & only through Christ's death can that leaven be dealt with. So a believer can't identify with the Jewish remembrance as it's no longer applicable as Christ dealt fully with our sin.

    c. Firstfruits (Leviticus 23:10). Fulfilled in Christ (1 Corinthians 15:20). The Feast was to honour & thank God for His provision to them. It was celebrated the third day (16th of Nisan) after the Passover Feast (14th of Nisan). The third day is significant as Jesus arose from the grave on the third day. Paul also refers to Christ "as the firstfruits of them that slept". So remembrance of this Feast is fulfilled in Christ.

    d. Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) (Leviticus 23:16). Fulfilled after the ascension of Christ (Acts 1:3-5). Israel brought the first harvest of grain to the LORD & occurred 50 days (= Pentecost) after the Feast of Firstfruits. We are now to obey, vide Matthew 9:37: "The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;" as those who bring in the harvest of souls to the Lord.

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  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:43
    Page 2.

    Secondly, the Rapture is taught by Paul as a Mystery (1 Corinthians 15:51-53) & alluded to by Peter (2 Peter 2:4-9). Even though the prophets in the OT spoke of future events that they had no knowledge of, it became something that was revealed later on, whether in the OT or NT. So too with Christ's Coming: this great day had been spoken of in the OT & again by Jesus, but it was only through Paul that showed that the Day of the Lord had another important matter attached to it, viz. the removal of the saints prior to the Great Tribulation. How did he learn this? Paul doesn't enlighten us.

    Thirdly, the event described in 1 Thes 4:15-17 can be simply understood that the saints will be 'snatched away' & taken to be with the Lord (in Heaven), before the Wrath of God is poured out (on Earth). If this passage is applied to His physical Second Coming for his people, then is it then just a physical removal from various nations to be transported to Jerusalem? Maybe, the impossibility of quickly obtaining an air ticket or visa for Israel would unnecessarily delay matters, hence the 'free ride in the sky'. I have to understand this Rapture as a removal, to Heaven, of the Saints, as the spectacle of God's Judgement is laid open to all in His Presence.

    Fourthly, the Trump of God. I realize that this is commonly taken to refer to the last Trumpet in Revelation 10:7 & it appears as a correct assumption. However, whenever the trumpet is sounded, it can also be in relation to a heralding (Exodus 19:13; Leviticus 25:9; Joshua 6:5, etc.), so the last Trump may even be the final 'clarion sound' from a series of earlier trumpet calls to the nations (e.g. Psalms 47:5; Isaiah 27:13; Jeremiah 51:27). This is just a thought & certainly not assumed, but shared as another application to 1 Thes 4:16).

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  • Mishael - in Reply on Hosea 11:1
    Hosea 11:1, as per commentary:

    11:1 Was a child - In the infancy of Israel. I loved him - Manifested my tender and paternal affection to him. Called my son - Adopted him to be my son, and as my son, provided for him, and brought him out of servitude. Out of Egypt - But Israel, the first adopted son was a type of Christ the first - born. And the history of Israel's coming out was a type of Christ's future coming out of Egypt.

    Jesus's parents were told to shelter in Egypt until the death of King Herod; then they returned home.
  • Natalya - in Reply on John 19
    Mary Jane,

    The Scriptures - not tradition - puts Jesus crucified on Friday.

    Jesus represented a sacrificial lamb in the 1st Jewish Feast, Passover. The timing was as predicted in the Bible. Jesus knew that His time has come.

    Exodus 12:6 "And ye shall keep it [lamb] up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening."

    John 13:1 "Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end."

    1 Cor. 5:7 "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
  • Mishael on WE39RE IN THEY39RE OUT on Job 1
    Remember that study I did called, THEY'RE OUT, and WE'RE IN now. Romans 3:29

    We're in till the fullness of the Gentiles is accomplished? Romans 11:25-26

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, Lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part, is HAPPENED to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (finished).

    And so, all Israel Shall be Saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (The Jews).

    That's why I say that Gentiles are IN now.

    The whole thing is DETAILED in Romans 11:7-11. Please read it!! Romans 10:2 and Romans 11:12, 15, 18-22 READ IT SLOW

    There are some warnings in there if you are a Gentile. No boasting, no judging, no smirking. Just leave it alone!!!! Keep your salvation secure. No hateful commenting.

    They are blinded. Their ears are closed up by God. Their eyes have scales on them. Why?? For us Christians!! " The Election"

    Romans 10:19. Deuteronomy 32:21. Our love for Jesus is supposed to make them envious. What a happy, cheerful, non- judgmental Jesus Loving Bunch we are?!?!

    Yes they are into all manner of idolatry and occultism mixed with Jewish ritualism. It has to have a lot of emptiness in it, if God is not speaking to you.

    IT could happen to us if we can't learn (from scriptures above) to keep our yaps closed. We are WARNED.

    If one person yaps, another person does; soon the whole neighborhood is barking and no one is listening to God!!

    I think God would love it if we would get over our self-righteous, judgmentalness. They probably don't even know they are OUT.

    I will not speak on this again. I'm dropping this ball... you pick it up.



    I made banana bread. Come get a handful.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 14
    Jo, jo

    The word good in V. 34 means useful. In those days, salt was a preservative. They put salt on things to keep it from putrefying. But if salt does not contain the proper ingredients, what is it good for? Jesus talks about salt and light in Matthew 5:13-16. He says, "You are the salt of the earth." At this point and time in experiencing the fullness of God, He says, YOU ARE the salt of the earth. And then He says, "YOU ARE the light of the world." Salt was used for two things. It was used as a preservative. They used it to preserve food, especially meat and vegetables. They also used it for purification. In 2 Kings 2:19-23, salt was used to purify bad water.

    But to know why He used the term salt, we need to understand that God made a covenant of salt with Israel (Numbers 18:19), which God said would be upon David and his descendants. Paul in Romans Chapter 11 said all of the Jews of the Kingdom. In Matthew 5:14-16, Jesus says you are salt and you are light. He went on to say that you can't take a light and put it under a bushel.

    What He is saying is you can't snuff out the light of the Lord. The light amongst the Jews was the Messiah. You are salt. Christ in you is the light, and Christ in you is the purification and the preservative for the people around you and especially in your life.

    The command is let your light so shine. Did you ever sing that song "This little light of mine, not going to let anybody blow it out? It can't be blown out. Nobody can blow it out. The command itself, (let your light so shine) kind of sounds like an invitation. But literally, it is "Shine your light," which is a command of God. Shine your light! I don't have to worry about going out to my car to find the light because the Lord said for me to shine it. Israel was said to be the light of the world. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, and Isaiah 60:3 says that the Jews were to be the salt and the light of the world.


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