"GIVEN" in Bible Discussions

  • Vendall - in Reply on Matthew 5
    I would take it to mean that if you show mercy to others, you will receive mercy from the Lord.

    Just as those who want forgiveness from the Savior, must forgive those that have trespassed against them!

    Don't forget, we are to strive to be Christ-like; mercy and forgiveness are attributes of Jesus Christ.
  • Kim burrow - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Christians have never worshipped on the seventh day. Christians have worshipped on the first day of the week since the church was born on the first day of the week at Pentecost and Peter preached the first sermon on a Sunday. After that first Sunday, those same Christians continued to meet and worship regularly on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). Sunday worship can be historically traced in unbroken succession all the way back to the first century to Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem meeting on the first day of the week. For two thousand years, Christians have faithfully followed the New Testament pattern given by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and practiced by the apostles, the first Christians, and the early church.

    Some believe that Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, but the church had been worshipping on the first day of the week hundreds of years before Constantine was born and before the Church of Rome ever existed. Constantine only declared officially in the fourth century what the church had been doing since the first century. There was no change in the day of worship for Christians because Christians had never worshipped on the seventh day. Christians had worshipped on the first day of the week since Pentecost in Acts chapter 2.

    Believers are not under the Law. The requirements of the Law were met in Christ (Matthew 5:17). Believers are released from the Law, believers are dead to the Law, and believers are redeemed from the Law (Romans 6:14; 7:6, 9; Galatians 3:13):

    You are not under law but under grace (Romans 6:14 NASB).

    But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound (Romans 7:6 NASB).

    For apart from the Law sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me (Romans 7:8b-10 NASB).

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  • Kim b - in Reply on Psalms 70
    Melinda praying, I'd you will stay in Gods word, pray and read, and keep your eyes on God. He said I will never leave you or forsake you. I'm telling you this from experience,during all this God has given 2
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 20
    Jack, as you know, in Psalms 111:9, the word 'Reverend' is given as a descriptive word for God. The word is taken from the verb, to revere. And used in its purest sense, that word can only be a applied to a deity, as some pantheists apply it to worshipping their god & of course, as Christians, to worshipping our God. Some also take umbrage to the word 'awesome' as it is used so liberally these days. As they say, that the word is to be applied to God only, as His people can only view Him in awe & wonder to His Holiness & Glory & not to be used to described another person or object.

    So when we read of Reverend So & So, it is sadly a title given to one who has qualified through biblical studies or in such a position in the Church that demands such a title. It is not used in the NT Church & yet the use of the word 'bishop' in Philippians 1:1, 1 Timothy 3:1, Titus 1:7, etc., is simply the English form of the Greek, Episkapos, commonly used generally for an elder, pastor or overseer of the Church. However, it has now become more of a high-ranking Church official who governs a large number of Churches.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 8:34
    Rj, I understand Predestination (as for example, given in Ephesians 1:4,5) as entirely a matter of God's Knowledge ONLY & not brought into our realm of understanding or even, our concern. God wouldn't be the Omniscient God He is, if He didn't know the beginning from the end, about each of our lives (even before our birth), & our future response to Him. So when I read this passage that we have been chosen & predestined, it doesn't mean that God specifically chose some & not others, as that would mean that the God of the Bible is not a God of Love & Mercy to all. He does love all of us more than we can imagine & not willing that any of us go to Hell & that is why Jesus commanded His disciples (Matthew 28:18-20) to go into all the world to preach the Gospel so we all get the opportunity to be saved.

    Yet, God still knows that even with the preaching of the Gospel, many will totally reject His Son, preferring Hell to Heaven. This Knowledge of God reveals His Predestination for each of us. God never refuses a pleading sinner who comes to Him for salvation, but God knows those that won't come & this only serves to prove His knowledge & predestining that person to Hell.

    So if one is truly born again, he will know it because of the Spirit's change in him & a new life of power, of love & a sound (spiritual) mind. His salvation is proof to him of already been known by God - hence his predestination to eternal life. Our prayers for the unsaved are simply our cry to God for the Spirit to convict them of sin; we can never presume to know who are going to be saved & who are not - that is all in God's knowledge - our knowledge is our commission to share the Gospel. So, if a person wants to know for sure whether he is saved, he has had to truly repent, believe in the work of the Cross, receive Christ by faith, experience new birth from the Spirit, be water baptized soon after, & live as a child of God in study of the Word, prayer, fellowship & engaging victoriously in spiritual battles.
  • Fay - in Reply on Romans 12:8
    Romans 10:4 rightouseness, which is in repentence, confession and obedience and I would say forgiveness
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17

    If the book of Genesis is one cohesive book, then why are the events of Genesis chapter 10 concerning the dispersion of the children of Noah given to us BEFORE the cause of their dispersion in Genesis chapter 11? (i.e. the scattering of the sons of Noah in chapter 10 took place BECAUSE of the events that happened at the Tower of Babel in chapter 11)

    If Adam and Eve were the first two humans on earth, where did Cain find a wife?

    If Adam and Eve are the ONLY two people from which all humans descend from, then why does God make a point to distinguish between a Jew and a Gentile? (1 Corinthians 10:32)

    Why do we have different races on the planet after 6000 years of inter-breeding? A change in the location of a person does not make him a different race!

    Why does the HEBREW definition of the word "Gentile" refer to a FOREIGN nation from the nation of Israel?

    Why is the word "man" in Genesis 1:26 given in plural and defined as "mankind in general"?

    Why is the word "man" in Genesis 2:7 given in singular form, with the article, denoting the particular man Adam?

    Some of these topics may require research; (2 Timothy 2:15).

    Remember, the Bible was not written in English!

    There are many resources available to help gain a deeper understanding of the Word of God: Concordances (Strong's), Interlinear Bibles (Green's), Commentaries, etc.

    May God be with you in your quest to understand Scripture!
  • D,J, - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Bob Hilt

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    The Septuagint: The oldest translation of the Hebrew Bible in existence. It was made into popular Greek in Alexandria, Egypt the third or second century B.C.

    The Targum of Onkelos; a Chaldee or Biblically Aramaic paraphrase of the Pentateuch, possibly written in the 1st or 2nd century A.D. in Babylonia.

    Our English Concordances are merely dictionaries of every word of the Bible; translated from those particular languages, for our help.

    We must always rightly divide the Word of God as to its subject matter. The question must always be asked when reading or studying the word of God; "Concerning whom is this particular Scripture written to or about?" There is no doubt that every word from Genesis to Revelations was written for all people to read, study, learn, understand, love, and have faith in; but to believe that every word in the Bible is written directly to all people in all time, or that it concerns only us in particular is an error that will lead to puzzlement and frustration when trying to comprehend the word of God, look at Romans 15:4, 1 Corinthians 10:11.

    When it comes to the topic of "mankind," God has simplified for the student as to whom the general "subject matter" being spoken of throughout It concerns. Scripture informs us that there are three distinct classes or divisions of persons that the word of God addresses. These three classes collectively account for all of mankind. The divisions of persons are plainly given to us in the First Letter written by Paul to the Corinthians;

    (1 Corinthians 10:32)

    Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Bob Hilt

    Thank you for your reply.

    You are correct; the (Hebrew) translation of the word "Gentile" is the word "goy." However, from the definition given below from Strong's Concordance it clearly states the word "FOREIGN."

    Hebrew definition;

    (#1471) goy, go-ee- a foreign nation; hence, a gentile; also (fig.) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:- Gentile / heathen / nation / people.

    In addition, the Greek definition, which you correctly defined as "ethnos" leaves no room for error concerning the topic we are discussing.

    Greek definition;

    "Gentiles"(#1484) ethnos, eth-nos- a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; spec. a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by impl. pagan):- Gentile / heathen / nation / people.

    The name "Gentiles" was given by God to all people that were considered foreign to the Jews, to their lineage, and to the covenant relationship they enjoyed with the Lord. They are collectively defined as any foreign nation in relation to the nation of Israel. The first occurrence of the word "Gentiles" is found in (Genesis 10:5), and concerns the spreading forth of the offspring of the sons of Noah into "their lands;" referring to the lands of the "Gentiles."

    Abraham is the father of many NATIONS, because GOD SAID that through him, ALL nations would be blessed! Not just (future) nation of Israel.

    The English speaking publishing houses of North America have no control or influence over the ORIGINAL words of God that we have locked in place. The Hebrew and Chaldean words of the Old Testament and the Greek words of the New Testament have been preserved for thousands of years through ancient documents such as:

    The Masoretec Text- The authoritative Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible.

    The Samaritan Pentateuch, which is a translation of the Torah into Aramaic. It is written in the Samaritan alphabet, which is supposed to be an ancient form of Hebrew, and is believed to have come down from the Ten Tribes as early as the 4th century B.C.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17

    I believe there are two accounts of creation because of the information given to me by God in Genesis chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 2. In addition, I have provided Scripture to add weight to what is being proposed.

    Are you sure you read the three pages of information sent to you concerning the various subjects conversed upon? You commented on only one portion. Any question or comment concerning the Scripture used to support my point of view?

    I understand your general vs. specific remark concerning some hypothetical person being called a liar or hypocrite for not giving the complete story at the beginning. It is strange, as I would call someone neither a hypocrite nor a liar for generally informing me of a car accident.

    If you do not agree with a statement concerning Scripture, show me my error through Scripture, rather than offer some random explanation of what I might be thinking, give no Scripture to back up your statement, and answer none of the questions presented to you.

    To answer your questions;

    God only created one earth and one heaven; but three separate and distinct heaven and earth AGES (2 Peter 3:5, 6, 13).

    God only created one light, the sun; the moon is only a reflection of that light.
  • Chris - in Reply
    George, you are right, from what I can also find, the names of those months are not given, only their number.

    1. The 4th Month: Tammuz (Jeremiah 39:2; 52:6,7)

    2. The 5th Month: Ab (Numbers 33:38; 2 Kings 25:8-10; Jeremiah 1:3; Jeremiah 52:12-30)
  • Trying on Acts 19:2
    God's days are not ours. 7 days to God could be millions of years to us. There were a lot of years before man came. There were a lot of years before Christ came. The earth is not Just 2000 years old. That's why there is B.C. and A D..

    In the Bible you have to remember these are early, early times. What was lawful then was made unlawful soon after. Just keep reading.

    Why there are different versions of the same story Because there are different writers of the same story with their own versions of what they learned, heard, and saw. They all had their own opinion and love of Jesus. They all had a different part in His life. So they all had a different story to tell of events in Jesus' life.

    Common sense is a valuable tool when reading the Bible. It is our "given" knowledge. Simple knowledge of knowing right from wrong or good from evil.

    If you read your Bible with a open heart, mind, and soul it will all be clear to you. You will see the AWESOME love God has for us in spite of us. He has never failed us. He has always just been a prayer away. We slipped away many a time BUT He has always been there waiting patiently for us to come back to Him. He doesn't cause bad things to happen. We do when we try to live on our own. God,like a good father waits, sometimes He sends nudges to remind us He is here ready to help us. He isn't pushy or commanding. He made the laws. We obey them or not, if we don't we are hurting us and Him( for He is Our Father). He cries for us. He waits for us but He never punishes us. We do that to ourselves. He protects and loves us and comforts us and He is there we just have to call out, have faith, to know, and believe.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17

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    How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction (Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end (Isaiah 19:25).

    On a side note; you commented concerning the Tower of Babel.

    It is interesting to note that the dispersion of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their descendants is given in chapter 10, before the cause of their dispersion, which is recorded and explained in chapter 11.

    This is an example of a figure of speech known as Hysterologia, (Hys-ter-o-log-i-a). This figure is used when something is put last, which ought, according to the usual order, come first. It is, in a sense, a transposition of connected events.

    So then, the events of (Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place after the events of (Genesis 11:1-9), and the events of (Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place because of the events of (Genesis 11:1-9).

    In other words, it was only after the "tower" (Genesis 11:4) was built, and judgment was pronounced on the sons of Noah and others, that their language was then confounded, and the "GENERATIONS OF THE SONS OF NOAH" (Genesis 10:1) were "scattered" (Genesis 11:7, 8) from that general area into the different "isles" (Genesis 10:5), "lands" (Genesis 10:20), and "nations" (Genesis 10:31), and "peoples" (Revelation 17:5) of the earth.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17

    Thank you for your comments.

    The two separate accounts of creation can be found in Genesis 1:26-29 and Genesis 2:4-7.

    Genesis 1:26-29 is the 6th day account of the creation of the different races that make up mankind, both male and female. The blessings and instructions given in Genesis 1:28 were given to those particular people.

    Genesis 2:4-7 is the 6th day account of the creation of the specific man Adam. In Genesis 2:7, God gives us detail as to HOW both Adam and ALL of mankind are formed by Him (from the dust of the ground), but these verses concern only the particular man Adam.

    Genesis 2:15-17 are the instructions given to the man Adam that are different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind. Adam was that particular man chosen by God to "till the ground" (Genesis 2:5) and be a farmer in God's Garden; and try to resist Satan.

    Genesis 2:21-23 is the formation of Eve FROM Adam. This is not creation of mankind, both "male and female" as found in Genesis 1:28, which concerns all of the races. This particular lineage is very special for all of mankind. It begins with the divine act of our heavenly Father taking a "rib" from Adam and creating Eve (one from one + the Lord God) and ends with the divine act of the Holy Spirit through Mary bringing about the promised birth (Genesis 3:15) of the Lord and Savior of all the earth (one from one + the Holy Spirit) (Isaiah 7:14).

    I believe that you are partially correct concerning Adam. Adam is the first man and Eve is the first woman.. OF THE LINEAGE THAT WILL BRING FORTH THE MESSIAH; as 1 Corinthians 15:45 states. The other races were created on the 6th day along with Adam. We know this because God ENDED all of His creative work by the end of the 6th day (Genesis 2:1, 2).
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Psalms 63
    The right hand is the dominant hand for most people. In battle, the right arm would wield the sword or draw the bowstring to shoot the arrow. A king would hold his sceptre in his right hand as a symbol of his power. To be placed at the right hand of the king would signify honor and authority given.

    In Genesis 48, Israel placed his right hand of blessing on the head of Joseph's younger son Ephraim while his left hand was on the head of the firstborn son Manasseh. His right hand deliberately conferred a greater blessing on Ephraim.

    Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God's right hand of power as Colossians 1 makes evident. He is also elevated to the right hand of God's throne in Heaven as declared in Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 1:3 and elsewhere in the scripture. David trusted the LORD as his Savior and prophetically includes this aspect of the LORD's nature in his psalms.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17

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    The information given concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at (Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

    The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5? "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

    The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant.

    If God said that "ALL FLESH" (Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

    How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction (Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end (Isaiah 19:25).
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Hey Chris,

    We have examined the Scriptures and come to different conclusions. This is the beauty of the Word of God. Let us all keep learning and growing in His word.

    I will leave you with some final thoughts and questions concerning these particular topics.

    The information concerning the two separate and distinct accounts of the creation of man and the separate instructions given in Genesis 1:26-29 from that given in Genesis 2:4-7 can clearly account for the creation of mankind in general and the creation of Adam in particular.

    If we are all ancestors of the singular man Adam you say accounts for Genesis 1:26-29 AND Genesis 2:4-7, how have we such distinct and separate races upon the earth after 6000 years of interbreeding?

    One race mating with the same race does not produce another race or all the races; neither does migration.

    If we are all derived from one man, than we would only have one nation to speak of because we would all be of the same lineage! How then do we in the third dispensation of time (when we are all with God again) still find a distinction between the house of Israel and the other nations? In Revelation 21:24, we find the different Kings of the nations bringing their glory and honour inside the gates? (i.e. they live outside the gates; and we are all with God at this point in time.

    We are ALL of the family of God, i.e. of one blood (Acts 17:26, 1 John 1:7); but all are NOT of the same lineage.

    If God makes a distinction between the lineage of Adam and the nation of Israel from every other NATION upon the earth, shouldn't we!
  • Steve B - in Reply on Mark 7:21
    From my understanding an evil eye, is looking upon evil with a desire to do the same. A lust for doing evil. We all are tainted by the fall of Adam when sin entered the world, so we need to fight against being lustful. Desiring other people's stuff, someone's wife, etc. We are to be content with what God has given us, and be thankful at all times for who God has made us and what we have. Resting in Him.
  • Kathleen Gregory - in Reply on Matthew 3
    Hi Michael - I agree totally that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not just for Jews back then - I meant that those in line to get water baptized by John were (most likely - I wasn't there lol) mainly, if not all, Jews. Once the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as their Messiah (in general - not counting Jesus' Jewish followers) and delivered Him up for crucifixion, He rises and His disciples get Hot on fire spreading the word here, there and everywhere -

    and then PAUL really gets the ball rolling and spreads the gospel to the Gentiles:

    (Ephesians 3:8 Unto ME, who am less than the least of all saints, IS THIS GRACE GIVEN, THAT *I* SHOULD PREACH AMONG the GENTILES the unsearchable riches of Christ)

    I just wanted to share my thoughts on water baptism and go no further, but I am so with you about the Comforter coming! and Jesus' disciples being beyond JOY when He arrived!!!

    I guess though, I have to say - I believe, in this dispensation of GRACE - that when we are saved - at that moment -

    we become "In Christ" -

    (2 Corinthians 5:17

    Therefore IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new)

    At the moment we are saved we are IN CHRIST - in other words, we are IMMERSED in HIM - and, as we all know, baptism is about being immersed (Some immerse in water - Jesus immerses/baptized us IN HIM - meaning we are IMMERSED/BAPTIZED at that moment in HIS HOLY SPIRIT -as opposed to His physical body)

    So, in a nutshell, I believe we are 'baptized in the Holy Spirit' the moment we are saved - I know for myself, I never needed to speak in tongues to get set on FIRE

    I believe 'Tongues' are actual earthly languages - (Acts 2:6 -because that every man heard them speak in his own lang)

    I Cor 13:8-10

    whether there be tongues, they shall cease... but when that which is PERFECT (God's Word =The Bible) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (shortening verses because of space)

    The Bible IS COME
  • Chris - in Reply on Acts 19:2
    Jesse, I had written another comment but it seems to have disappeared. Just agreeing with you: to the many that have become disillusioned & confused because their inability to be as others who have 'received the Gift' or not getting healed. I was even told to just start babbling to start the process going, just as they had to do. Now they are fluent in it. I asked if they had a translation to their 'tongue', & was simply told, 'No, it's probably a language of past ages or even a heavenly language, but was given for their personal edification'. So, this is what was being taught to them. But we are not to judge, but just pray that the Lord would reveal Himself in a special way to them that may shake them out of ignorance & hypocrisy.
  • Chris - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    D.J., so I understand that you see two distinct accounts of creation of mankind (one for the other races & the other Adam & Even from which comes the Divine line to Christ). Well, I have tried my best, but can only see one account of creation: the Genesis 1 account shows what God did during the 'Days of Creation' & the Genesis 2 account gives more detail of the creation of man, his placement, his meeting the other creation of animals & also his new companion in life. So I can't take this point further as our understanding is clearly divergent, though your explanation for the 'different instructions' given can now be seen. To restate, I see both creation accounts as pertaining to one creation of man & not multiple; the manner of writing & repetition in part, just doesn't convince me of anything but the one creation.

    I can understand & agree with your remarks on the 'Ages' as referenced to 2 Pet 3:5-7. In reference to Satan & specifically to Genesis 1:2, I understand it is commonly assumed that the Earth became "confusion & emptiness" as a result of Satan's fall to Earth & that is acceptable. But since it's not specifically mentioned as such, & Satan being found at Eden doesn't necessarily give proof to support that belief, we should allow for some other force, whether from astral bodies or deterioration over the eons, that may have caused this deterioration to this once perfect World. Though, I can see that when evil is joined to something good & perfect, the result is evil (i.e. the absence of complete purity).

    Otherwise, your remarks are appreciated & on the whole concurred with. Thank you for your time in these important subjects.
  • Chris - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
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    At least, we're referring to the same Book, so one hurdle is omitted, but we have to deal with the evidence from Scripture first.

    Then further to your Page 2, in reference to the giants, their survival post-Flood & their progeny would be difficult to comment on, since the foundation is not agreed upon. So with just a quick response to that: Is the mention of giants in those days a direct reference to the sons of God mating with humans or were there giants prior to that occasion? (Genesis 6:4). Did not the offspring of the giant-human mating produce "mighty men of renown'? Even if the whole Earth was not flooded, but only in a specific locale, it remains that God destroyed every living substance from the Earth (Genesis 7:23). And, how far back can the lineage be traced for the Caananite, Perizzite, Hivite & the Hittite? To Noah or to a post-Adamic race? If to Noah: what's the proof? If to another race of people: which race?

    So my point is not to discredit your beliefs but to show that insufficient evidence is given to formulate anything outside the parameters of the Word. We can't assume something because it justifies or gives meaning to something else that may be evident. Why? Because our hypotheses may well be completely out of kilter thereby producing an erroneous outcome. I realize I don't have the answers, but I know for sure, that I would rather declare ignorance than to surmise/assume/calculate on certain 'facts' that cannot be clearly supported in Scripture.
  • Chris - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
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    D.J., as always, I appreciate your comments & the time you've given to writing them. Yes, we all seem to have that extra time on our hands especially during these uncertain days.

    I won't dispute the use of the word "flesh", as you've shown it in Hebrew, simply because I've never examined this properly. So, I will accept your explanation & application of that word. Yet, in Genesis 6:18-20, it is specifically declared who & what were to be carried in the Ark (i.e. the eight humans & two of every animal, male & female). I wonder how you can understand that 'other humans', not of the Adamic lineage, would also be included amongst these, seeing that the whole reason for the 'escape in the Ark' was for the destruction of all remaining, unbelieving humans (vv 5-8)?

    When I consider Scripture, as with such accounts that are not fully explained, I try to get to the very first mention of it (as here in Genesis) & progress through the Word to find more detail on the type of people (& animals) in question. Of course, the enquiry can sometimes be fruitless, simply because insufficient information is given, so my search ends as no other material is forthcoming.

    Since you too are reading from the same Scripture & I'm sure you are not privy to other material on this subject, could it be that you're viewing the Genesis account the other way, i.e. backwards rather than forwards? To explain: if you have a belief that there must have been other races of (non-Adamic) people in existence since creation, then to support that belief, you would have to also assume that it was not just eight people & animals that went into the Ark, but other humans too, or else how could we have such a diverse range of humanity. I ask, can we make such assumptions when the Scripture gives no further light on them? Are those assumptions even believable then, since we can't see it in Scripture?

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  • Chris - in Reply on Acts 19:2
    Agreed, that "speaking in tongues" was given for a sign to the unbeliever & for the edification of the Body. However, I did let my mind 'wander', wondering if this gift so given by the Holy Spirit for the ministry of the Gospel, could also be given on those occasions when the missionary is unable to communicate & therefore his words, then either come out in the language of the hearer, or at least, is translated by the Spirit in the ears of the hearer. Anyway, as you say this aspect (= my musing) is not in the intended meaning & use of the Gift. And I agree that there is a trail of broken & confused believers who have not spoken in tongues or received healing for their bodies because an incorrect understanding & teaching on these subjects was given them. And a couple of 'them' have even told me, a non-tongue speaker, to just babble something, as they had to do(!!), in the hope & waiting for the 'gift' to be given.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Acts 19:2

    Great point! I did a study a few years back on the word "gifts" used in association with gifts of the Spirit. And many of the places in the N.T. that this word gift or gifts are used, the word gifts is in italics. I'm sure you know what the italics are. But I did a Greek study on the word gifts, and there were two different Greek words for our English word gift or gifts. One of those words had to do with an actual gift given to someone. And the other word had to do with expressions of God's Spirit. The only time the word was used as in reference to an actual gift that is given to believers; it was used to show that we are given the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. That is the only gift that is actually given to us. The rest of the things mentioned: gifts of prophecy/healing/tongues etc. were simply expressions of God's Spirit.

    I do believe God still heals today. Human beings cannot heal anyone. And as far as tongues goes, if God chooses to cause a believer to speak in tongues, I believe He will do so. But like the scripture says, it's not for everyone. I tend to believe that it might even be rare that God causes a believer to speak in tongues. To this day I remain skeptical of those who are telling people that tongues is evidence that you are saved, and that all believers should speak in tongues as evidence that they have the Holy Ghost. I also do not trust these huge faith healing ministries. Some of these people have been exposed as being frauds. I think it would be nice if all these so-called "faith healers" and all those who claim to have the "gift" of healing if they would go to all the hospitals and heal all the sick people there, especially the children who are sick and dying.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
    Hi Chris,

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    I will attempt to be less confusing. I apologize for possibly trying to give too much information.

    There are two accounts of the creation of man. The first account is found in Genesis 1:26-29. The second account can be found in Genesis 2:4-7.

    Genesis 1:26-29 is the 6th day account of the creation of the different races that make up mankind, both male and female. The blessings and instructions given in Genesis 1:28 were given to those particular people.

    Genesis 2:4-7 is the 6th day account of the creation of the specific man Adam. In Genesis 2:7, God gives us detail as to HOW both Adam and ALL of mankind are formed by Him (from the dust of the ground), but these verses concern only the particular man Adam. Genesis 2:15-17 are the instructions given to the man Adam that are different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind. Adam was that particular man chosen by God to "till the ground" (Genesis 2:5) and be a farmer in God's Garden; and try to resist Satan.

    Genesis 2:21-23 is the formation of Eve FROM Adam. This is not creation of mankind, both "male and female" as found in Genesis 1:28, which concerns all of the races. This particular lineage is very special for all of mankind. It begins with the divine act of our heavenly Father taking a "rib" from Adam and creating Eve (one from one + the Lord God) and ends with the divine act of the Holy Spirit through Mary bringing about the promised birth (Genesis 3:15) of the Lord and Savior of all the earth (one from one + the Holy Spirit) (Isaiah 7:14).
  • Alex on Galatians 3
    COMMENTS BY ALEX ON THE NEW TESTAMENT AND THE DEATH OF CHRIST. If i had to sum up the meaning of his death and ressurection IN FEW WORDS it wd be that mankind might be bornagain of an incorruptible SEED even by the words of God, that we might birth Christ in our hearts and minds that the very kingdom of God might be born in humanity which is Christ in you the hope of GLORY. Whosoever Receives one such Child in my name Receives me, Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of Man. There is a precious Child in our future which is the result of the sower and his seed the word, th contents of that book the words of life. When a seed dies it Multiplies resulting in Christ being formed in us, My lil children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you, the Woman goes into travail and birth pains after the book is Opened simply b/c the words of that BOOK are the seeds of the SOWER,In the volume of the BOOK it is written of me i delight to thy will O GOD THY KINGDOM COME THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH ETC IMPLING IN MANKIND . WHEN ISAIAH saw the kingdom coming he said unto us a Child is born unto us a Son is given. Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN. Humanity ( the Church is gonna have a baby ) which is the H.G. Christ in us via his seed THE WORD GBU
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 28
    Linda, to share on your points:

    1. I don't see the imagery you give here. Though I do agree, that when we serve the Lord, even simply abiding in Him, Satan is always around to stifle, intimidate, or destroy our joy in serving Him.

    2. Earthquakes are observed when the Earth's tectonic plates shift producing rumbles in the Earth or in the worst case, major land movements causing destruction. When they happen in special instances (Matthew 27:51, 28:2 & others), it can be true that these were also given as signs of Divine Intervention (1 Kings 19:11; Revelation 6:12).

    3. Correct, Jesus had already risen from the dead, so the Angel of the Lord was sent to roll away the stone & to announce this great news to the Marys & to alert the disciples of this fact.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Chronicles 7:14
    That was a good example of Humility in action. I also see it as stemming from one's attitude about oneself. Most people would like to think of themselves better than others: whether in their appearance, their jobs, wealth, or achievements. That's one of the characteristics of the sin nature coming to the fore: that of glorification of self to the despising or minimizing the worth of others.

    The perfect example of Humility is seen in the Lord Jesus (Philippians 2:3-8) as He first humbled Himself by becoming a man & then was obedient to a shameful death; He as the Word of God need not have had to experience any of this, but for the sake of our salvation, He humbled Himself. And then in Romans 12:3, Paul instructs them to not think of themselves as greater than others (this was in reference to use of gifts in the Church, but translates to every day life as well). So our position as Christians has to be one of taking the lower position so that our brother or sister in Christ may be the one that is given the higher position in our eyes. We then reflect that beautiful quality of the Godhead.
  • Chris - in Reply on Philippians 4:17
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    And to your question: "If the beginning of the earth was the first seven days of creation found in Genesis 1:2 - 2:4, then when did the fall of Satan occur?" This question is moot. There will always be theories when Satan's fall occurred. It could have been at some time after the creation of the angelic host (Isaiah 14:12-15), maybe after God's creative Work had ended. It may have been according to the type given in Ezekiel 28:12-17, when Satan was already in Eden & from thence he fell into sin; or even in (Revelation 12:7-9) where Satan & his angels were cast out of Heaven to the Earth after Jesus ascended to the Father (though this option wouldn't work, as Satan was already active way before this time on Earth). So, I have to plead ignorance to your question, as the Scriptures don't give me a clear answer, though if compelled, I would lean towards the Isaiah description.

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