"CHRIST" in Bible Discussions

 
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 5
    1 Corinthians 10:7-15: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife."

    "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace."

    This passage of Scripture gives one of the best accounts in a difficult marriage. However, the first part of that passage speaks of a wife who for some reason, wants to separate or divorce; she should remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband.

    The rest of the passage speaks of a non-Christian & Christian spouse, that they should remain together if they're happy to do so (I think this assumes that some issue has arisen prompting the departure of one); but for whatever it takes, they should try to sort it out & remain together. But if one does separate or divorces, then that is allowed, as they should no longer be under "bondage". Some would take this word to mean that they are free to remarry after divorce, though, given the Scripture that "the twain shall be one flesh" (Mark 10:8), I take it to mean that both will need to remain unmarried.

    And in the case of a spouse committing adultery, he/she would need to get right before God & with the other spouse. But if the other spouse finds no more favor in him/her, then divorce seems appropriate, but again both remaining unmarried until one of them passes away.
  • Peggy - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2:11
    This particular scripture could be us, but is aimed at the post 6th trumpet doctrine of anti-christ's rule. The people are too dumb, brainwashed to hear the love of the truth.

    With that being said, America is a great counterfeiter, they falsely fulfill anti-Christ's actions. Note: In 2007 General Wesley Clark said that after losing 3 towers in NY, the US intended to topple 7 ME govt's in 5 years (months). So, after 3 towers were taken, 7 countries were planned in 5 years. In Revelation the beast has 10 allies, he takes of 3 them, leaving 7. Then, Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented 5 months (years).." The US deals in sorceries and courts their god the devil. Also, was 9-11-01= Revelation 9:1-11, the 5th trumpet that officially began tribulation? I think so.

    Everything happening in America is testament to Mystery Babylon. This is America before its visitation.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Ecclesiastes 4:8
    William, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was WAR IN HEAVEN.......

    Revelation 1:1 .....and sent and signified (or symbolic of) it by his angel....

    Revelation 1:3 ....for the time is at hand....

    Revelation is difficult at best to understand because most want believe the above two verses. The words were just as true for readers in Johns time as they are to us in our time and will be to those in the future who read them. The war in heaven (which began after Christ was crucified) was happening in Johns time just as it it happening today and will continue happening as long as there is a tomorrow.

    Now, with the working of the Spirit let's see if by using other verses as the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM we can come to the truth about the WAR IN HEAVEN.

    Luke 17:21 .....the kingdom of heaven is in YOU.....

    2 Corinthians 12:2 ....such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God DWELLETH IN

    YOU?

    There is a natural heaven, but an a symbol it represent us (WHERE GOD DWELLS)

    Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UNTO YOU.

    Revelation 12:7 ....and there was war in heaven (in you)...

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out..

    Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice (the Holy Spirit) saying in heaven (in you), now is salvation, and strength, and the KINGDOM OF OUR GOD..

    Luke 10:17-18 And he said unto them (the seventy he sent out to cast out devils), I beheld SATAN as lighting fall FROM HEAVEN (from those that Satan was cast out of).

    2 Corinthians 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God (Spirit) to the pulling down strong holds (traditions of man).

    Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the (natural) warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this (spiritual battle) shall be with (spiritual) burning and FUEL of (spiritual) FIRE.
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Hello Richard

    1CORINTHIANS 14VERSE 2 it tells you when speak in and an unknown speaketh not unto men , but into God ....

    I cannot believe what i am reading christians Paul saying why we speak in an unknown tongue saying we are speaking to God and you reject it ..I do not have words for the sorrow in my heart how so many christains on here find a way to tell God they do not want to speak to him in his spritual tongue ..actually denying the power of Gods existience
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Emily,

    In this passage, Matthew 24:15-28, Jesus tells His disciples of the a coming time of great tribulation, with the warning, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place."

    This is the Daniel prophecy that Jesus was referring to, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."Daniel 9:27

    An event like this happened in 167 BC when Antiochus IV desecrated the Temple and persecuted the Jews.

    Some Christians think that Jesus' warning to, "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"Matthew 24:20 was referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Others, including me, believe that this will be a future time known as The Great Tribulation or the time of Jacob's trouble or the Day of the LORD.
  • Joe on Romans 16
    I am confused - Romans 16:7 says "Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners"

    However, I thought Paul was at Corinth and then travelling to Jerusalem at the time this epistle was written - not yet a prisoner in Rome.

    Maybe the explanation is "fellowprisoners" in Jesus Christ.

    Will someone please clarify? TIA.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Hello Michael,

    I have been reading all your comments you have been posting here about "tongues". I see you are picking Scriptures and portraying them to be "only" about speaking in unknown tongues of the Holy Ghost. Like Isaiah 33:19. It says "Thou shalt NOT see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand". The word "stammering" here is the Hebrew word "la ag" Strongs number H3932. Meaning "to deride or speak unintelligibly" or "to mock or ridicule". This is not speaking of the "tongues" of the Holy Ghost.

    I don't want to argue with you Michael. If you want to believe that "only" those who can speak in an unknown "tongue" has received the Holy Ghost that is your belief. Like I stated before. To me with my experiences and understanding this is false. I was lead to reply to you.

    I'll end with one question. The numerous times through the Gospels our Lord Jesus Christ prayed to the Father, as the very in depth prayer in John 17. Do you believe our Lord was not praying to our Father in the Holy Ghost because it was not in an unknown tongue?

    Thank you for your answer. Again I don't want to quarrel. Especially with another believer in Christ so this will be my last statement on this subject.

    Have a wonderful day. God Bless.
  • Shirley Hatten on Romans 8:9
    What does the Bible say about where the dead in Christ souls wait for the rapture
  • Mzwandile on Galatians 6:6
    Thank you so much for your Revelation of the word of God in you and your comment in Jesus Christ Name! May God embrace you more through the power of God and the the baptism of the Holy Spirit about Galatians 6:6 I will ask the Lord God Almighty by Himself for me to hear what is He's saying to me about this. Thank you so much and God bless all His Servants good and bad I am speaking as a man of God and the Servant of God in Jesus Christ Name!
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Hebrews 9:27 is simply a short statement about the progression of a life from birth to death. All of us, having no control over our aging process which leads to our last breath, will face death as a normal course of human existence.

    But in the Rapture of the Saints, those that are alive to be a part of it, will not die - will never taste of death, but be ushered with glorified bodies into the presence of Christ. And those of God's children who have died prior to the Rapture, will be raised from the dead first, that their glorified bodies would unite with their souls & together will be with the Lord forever. This was the comforting message to the Thessalonian believers who were despairing that those who had already died would miss out from being with Christ in their new bodies. Even though we cannot envisage such a spectacular event, how the dead are raised from almost no visible evidence to us, or indeed, how we are raised into the sky to be with the Lord, yet the Bible states this event & that we should live in such manner of expectancy & holy living.
  • Paul McDaris on Matthew 24
    Two things. I'm a old man and young Christian with learning disabilities. Do you all have something to help someone like me to use to study with not leaving the actual King James Version of the Bible. Also is there a way to print out the Commentary so I can triple space because on line it is hard for me to read? Other than that you're the greatest study of the real Bible I've seen. God bless you and Keep you. Love in Christ, Paul
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Neither. I understand that the crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus was for the forgiveness of our past sins & removal of them that were held to our account. Hebrews 10:16,17: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." And, Romans 4:25: "Who (Jesus) was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Our sins placed on Jesus at the Cross have been taken away, no longer imputed to us & we remain justified (i.e. to be declared not guilty, absolved, acquitted) from any further recourse or punishment. When God looks at us, He sees us IN Christ & clothed in His Righteousness (& not our own which could only condemn us).

    Salvation, I believe is a once only event that was accomplished at the Cross & received through full faith in that Work. It can't be undone or re-given: we're either saved or not, or else, we show that we despise this great Work & count it of little worth. What you wrote, "that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ", I see that as the ongoing filling Work of the Spirit, as we continue to empty ourselves of that which hinders His Work. And when we do, He reveals to us more of Jesus, endeavouring to make us more like Him in every way. (Ephesians 3:19, 5:18).
  • Peggy - in Reply on Psalms 75
    You mentioned an alternative translation of Jesus on the cross saying 'how could you forsake me?' Can you tell me where to find the translation you quoted? That line has always puzzled me because I instinctively know the statement to be false; the king of kings would not whine like a pleb. Only a fool would believe that that book was shielded from edits, while full well knowing satan is the god of this world. However, bring up the Bibles' credibility here, you will get Christians bending over backwards with scriptures to defend the indefensible for ego sake.
  • Peggy - in Reply on Jeremiah 29
    The day of the Lord is a very specific day of destruction from the Almighty; Judgment day for the people of earth. It is not an everyday occurrence: Mystery Babylon and the entire Babylonian system comes down in under one hour. The day of the Lord is synonymous with the 6th trumpet strike: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Ez 21:1-24, Ez 38:1-17, Jeremiah 50, Jeremiah 51 and Revelation 18. It is Jesus who comes like a thief on HIS day named for HIM to lay the land desolate. The spoiler at noonday (anti-christ) Jeremiah 15:8 places the abomination of desolation that obliterates both corrupt houses of Israel to dust. America by fire, and Israel by invasion/captivity as they reap Jacob's 6th trumpet time of trouble.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Michael,

    You seem to believe in your own doctrine in that only those who can speak in tongues have received the Holy Ghost. I am sorry to tell you this but you are wrong. Others have posted much Scripture on this that you seem to want to ignore. Nit picking verses like Mark 16 and thinking Jude 1:20 is the same as speaking in tongues. Seeming to have more zeal for different tongues than the teachings of Christ and the Word of God in the Holy Scriptures. God knows when we pray to Him no matter what, of the thousands, of languages it is in. God reads hearts not just an angelic tongue.

    . 2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

    Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    God Bless those who have the gift of speaking in unknown tongues. Like I stated before I see no use for this gift and am not interested in asking for it. My Father and Lord Jesus Christ know when I am speaking/praying to them.

    I wish you well on your journey. God Bless.
  • Rod - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Connie, No apology necessary, I've been on this site for only a matter of a few short months myself, and yes I agree that the comments are varied in nature, but most I believe are meant to help us on our faith journey, I know it has helped me. If I may ask one question, do you believe that the narrow road to our salvation leads to the cross, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Not sure if you have ever heard of Billy Graham, he passed away a bit ago, but his sermons are on you tube and some of his sermons are about the real meaning of the cross, and the importance of it.

    Have a great day,

    John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

    Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

    "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Matthew 7:23
    If you are a born again Christion, you are in the kingdom of God, and will go up in the Rapture. The kingdom of heaver is the 1,000 year reign of Christ and is for those who make it through the Great Tribulation.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    Peter never preach that Christ died for our sins, His Gospel is different from Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles. In Matthew chapter tem Jesus commanded his disciples not to go to the Gentiles; the only exception is Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and preached to one Gentile in Acts 10. The Apostle John's Gospel to the Jews is John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." Plainly the Gospel, but different. Plus the kingdom of God was taken from the Jews in Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Paul had to explain his Gospel to the disciples about 18 years or so later. When Paul preach to 12 Jews in Acts 19, he preached almost the same gospel as Acts 2:38. The Gospel for the Jews, and the Gospel for the Gentiles are plainly different.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Ephesians 4:29
    "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"Hebrews 1:1-2

    God spoke directly to Adam, Cain, probably Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, Jacob, Moses, Balaam, Joshua and there are more. I happen to believe that most appearances of The Angel (messenger) of The Lord is The Pre-Incarnate Christ. Paul heard from God on the road to Damascus and maybe in his 3 years in Arabia.

    God can do whatever He chooses to do. As a rule in this age, God has spoken. I do nit believe that there will be any new revelation. The canon is complete.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Galatians 5
    Here is what God says you must believe to be saved (born again) during the Age of Grace. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" This is Paul's Gospel, and the Lord Jesus Christ sent Paul to preach to the Gentiles.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Esther 2:10
    Hi Mild Bill,

    ""I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation""

    Bill You're going to Love this!!

    I reject my thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation also!!

    Guess why, I never thought that, In fact mever said it either. You would have to go back maybe a week Past your first response and pull up a separate thread then come forward to this thread and you will see I went to great lengths to show why I believe " A body of believers called out of all nations is a nation of its own, called the Church. It is what will be raptured up. There is no geographic land mass we can call a holy nation.

    But Israel ( in a different way )

    Here is the comment you're referring to:

    "A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different"

    This was a sarcastic rebuttal to that notion embodied in a larger statement that shouldn't have been mistaken.

    There was another thread that went on for a day or two displaying foolish pride that needed to be dealt with.

    That's when I started a separate thread with the rebuttal.

    You may have missed that because maybe a day or so later you responded and again today.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Jeremiah 29
    Pochalla, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His knowledge.

    Let's try with the Spirits working to perceive what the Spirit calls the DAY OF THE LORD.

    Amos 5:18-21 Woe unto you that DESIRE THE DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is DARKNESS, AND NOT LIGHT.

    (20) Shall not the DAY OF THE LORD be darkness and not light? even very dark and no brightness in it?

    Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned in darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE THE GREAT AND THE TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD COME.

    Is this prophecy yet in the future or has it already been fulfilled? Other scriptures and the symbols represented in them provide the answers.

    Psalms 89:34-37 .....(36) His (David's) seed (Christ) shall endure forever, and his (Christ) throne as the sun before me. (vs) It (Christ and his throne) shall be established forever as the MOON, AND AS A FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN.

    Revelation 1:5 And from JESUS CHRIST, who is my FAITHFUL WITNESS IN HEAVEN. The Psalm says the MOON is the faithful witness implying the moon is symbolic of Jesus.

    The prophecy says the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the MOON into blood. Has this already happened?

    Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

    John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there out BLOOD...

    THE DAY OF THE LORD is every day and has been going on now for two thousand years.

    Christ through the working of the Holy Spirit has been coming (the second time lake a thief in the night to those who look for him).

    Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; AND UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Did Jesus die and resurrect to save sinners with there sin or sinners from there sin.... i believe that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ. I believe that Salvation is not the gift but is the result of the Gift... I believe that its all about Jesus its all about his Character . we are to take up our own cross and follow in his footsteps , not to say that we alone can obtain unto the High calling of Christ, for it is of him to will and to do of his good pleasure... its Christ in us the Hope of Glory , that is able to reconcile us back into an Holy and Unblameable relationship with God the Father.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Matthew 27
    Nina,

    "And, behold, (1) the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and (2) the earth did quake, and (3) the rocks rent; And (3) the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God."Matthew 27:51-54

    This was preceded by 3 hours of darkness from noon til 3 PM.

    We are not told any more information about the saints who arose only to die again as did Lazarus who who Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus was The Firstfruits of those who have died In Christ.

    "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."1Co 15:20

    The Old Testament saints, believed God, just as Job of old trusted God.

    "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."Job 19:25-27

    We will be raised INCORRUPTIBLE!

    "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."1Co 15:51-52

    These that arose were not changed; not raised incorruptible.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 12:32
    Just so you know, many Bible reading Christians don't believe that. Do you truly believe that saying a dirty word is just as bad as committing mass murder? Or do you believe that someone committing violent rape is no different than telling a white lie?

    This needs to be called out, because sometimes even Christians use mental gymnastics to pretend that their sins are 'ok'. No, it's not ok. Jesus said to not sin. He said cut off your own hand if you have to, to stop sinning. Do absolutely anything possible to stop it and avoid going to hell. If you ignore Him and sin, that's like you slapping Jesus in the face. If you keep doing it, it's possible you're not even a Christian. A Christian is a Christ follower which is an action. People who enjoy committing sin and following the world will probably go to hell, whether they call themselves a Christian or not. That is the reality that fewer people these days are grasping the seriousness of. Matthew 7:20-23.

    If sin didn't matter, why would there even be a judgment day and why would sins even be reviewed in front of God? Sin absolutely matters and every single thing you do to violate God's commands will be judged. Romans 14:12

    I think the false assumption comes from misinterpreting a verse. Sin is sin, but it does not mean all sin is of the same severity. That is a false assumption. For instance blasphemy is different than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says flat out that you will not be forgiven for the latter. There are more Bible references to prove that sins have different severity. Matthew 12:36-37

    God bless...
  • Adam - in Reply on Esther 2:10
    When people cite non-Bible books (man's opinion) to 'prove' a point, it usually has little credibility. Just turn on the TV or read a newspaper and most of what is written is unsubstantiated opinion or pure falsehoods. Society seems more corrupt and more willing to lie and deceive than any other time in my lifetime. The lies and propaganda is so blatant, but somehow they have been successful in silencing and cancelling any voices that tell the truth. It's similar to how many communist dictatorship countries got their start.

    So, when I hear someone adamantly saying the US was not a Christian nation then says a few authors of history books said so, I don't believe it. I instead believe the evidence of historical documents quoting the Bible, of speeches quoting scripture, of monuments honoring God and scripture, of our dollar bill which still says in God we trust, of our pledge of allegiance which has God in it. Yes, some were Masons too, but most were Christians who desperately wanted freedom. Now, we have pro-communist people trying to destroy the country and limit your freedom that so many fought and died for. So, yes, this is a Christian nation, is still, but has fallen greatly. Immorality and sin will be it's demise, however, just like how Rome or many other powerful entities fell. No anti-conservative or anti-Christian propaganda will change my mind on what the truth is. If someone is confused on what the truth is they should seek God and pray.
  • Earl Bowman on Romans 8:9
    Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.



    Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    (53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.

    Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.

    Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......

    This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.

    Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53

    Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).

    (40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,

    hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Michael

    This conversation started on another thread between me and someone else, Our focus was on charity, I didn't then and don't now care to put a lot of energy to the everlasting tongues debate. It seems

    you used that opportunity to open up a dialog on the subject go right ahead,

    you don't need me to engage. All we did was quoted Paul on that initial thread. You seem to have a issue with Paul's writings. so why don't you explain the verses in your own words. 1 Corinthians 12:27-31. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

    Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

    But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

    1 Corinthians 13:8-10. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

    But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

    1 Corinthians 14:5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1 Corinthians 14:7-12 (KJV) And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

    For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Esther 2:10
    S Spencer,

    "A Christian nation it shouldn't be no different."

    I just read your response at this late date. I reject your thought that America is or ever was a Christian nation. I do accept the fact that at it's inception, it was a nation "of" professing Christians primarily dominating the society, and as such, that faith should be reflected in the character of it's elected leaders and issues of governance.

    "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    John Adams, 2nd President of the United States

    Therein lies the American delemma today.



    Those who blame the government have very little understanding of how it is supposed to work. As recently retired I have expanded my reading time and quite a few books have handled American history, politics and western cultural development. This site is not the place to go into the many interesting things I've learned, but I do wish to leave you with one smattering of facts. At the time of the Civil War the majority of American churches taught a covenant theology and truely believed that victory of the church in world affairs would usher in the return of Christ. Also, the "Origins of Species by Means of Natural Selection", by Charles Darwin was hailed as science advancing knowledge and lent support to the position of racial descrimination that has so inflamed our society to this very day. Ironically Lincoln's party was no less discriminatory than the southerners and carried that fault in their political stance well into the 1920's. Only after the Civil War did the Federal government begin to swell into the massive financial and intrusive monster it is today.

    Given a chance to sit down and discuss these and more matters, I can imagine more agreement between us.

    One more pre-America tidbit, look up the 1746 destruction of the French fleet and the connection to Boston.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Proverbs 5
    Stephanie,

    "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."2Co 3:13-14

    7-8 IF the ministration of death (glory to be done away) THEN the ministration of the spirit (rather glorious)

    9 IF the ministration of condemnation (be glory) THEN the ministration of righteousness (exceed in glory)

    11 IF that which is done away (WAS glorious), THEN much more that which remaineth (IS glorious)

    When Moses went before The Lord, his face shined. So he put a veil over his face when he talked with the people.

    13-14 Paul says contrary to what Moses had to do, Paul didn't need to do that. Referring to the unbelieving Jews of old up to that day, who had hard unregenerate hearts THAT WERE COVERED LIKE A VEIL. BUT whenever someone turns to God in faith, the VEIL IS LIFTED.

    "But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."2Co 3:18

    The unbeliever has a veil over his eyes of understanding. But whenever someone turns to God, the veil is removed.


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