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  • Chris - in Reply on Acts 5
    Hello Darlene. The "Trinity" is a big subject, but I'll give the basics for understanding it, even though it's full meaning remains beyond our limited minds. The word itself is nowhere found in the Bible; it is however used to describe God's Nature in the best way we can. "Trinity", or in another way, 'a state of being threefold' best expresses what God has revealed to us of Himself. You will also hear of: Godhead or Triunity - these also mean the same thing.

    We believe that there is only One God: Isaiah 44:6, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his (Jacob's) redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Those who believe in the Trinity, do not believe in three gods - only One. However, throughout the Scriptures, especially in the New Testament, God reveals His Nature to us more fully. Just as we have immaterial parts within us (i.e. spirit & soul), so God is revealed to us by His Spirit & His Word. Zechariah 4:6 shows us both of these: ("Then he (the angel) answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the WORD of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my SPIRIT, saith the LORD of hosts).

    Even as God is One God, in the unity of the Godhead there are three eternal, coequal entities (also referred to as Persons) Who are same in substance but distinct in subsistence. Both God's Word & Spirit have always reached out & ministered to people, whether through the mouths of the prophets or by special dealing with God's people. But that Word that was once spoken by the prophets to Israel, is now given to all of us through Jesus ( Hebrews 1:1-3). So the Spirit we know, but Who is Jesus? John 1:1-14 tells us that the Word that was that very part or substance of God, God has sent to Earth clothed in humanity, for "the suffering of death" - God came to us in the flesh, by His Word, for the salvation of sinners. See also Matthew 28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14 for expressions of the Triune God.
  • LEON DAVIS - in Reply
    Jonathan Taylor, obviously you do not believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired Word of God because you are casting dispersions on the veracity of its content. I am curious whether you are a Christ follower, for it is impossible for one to call himself a Christian and not consider the Holy Bible to be Truth, every word of it!

    Zechariah 4:1-3; 11-14 and Revelation 11:7 speak of the two witnesses; not Revelation 7. Also, with a high degree of probability, the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, for they were with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration ( Matt. 17:1-3), and performed the supernatural acts mentioned in Revelation 11:5-6.
  • Chris - in Reply on Zechariah 4:6
    Zechariah 4:6 and Matthew 24:13 have those words but not together as you seek.
  • Chris - in Reply on Haggai 1
    There were actually three Temples recorded:

    a. Solomon's Temple ( 1 Kings 5:3-6:1 & 6:37-38). The King of Tyre supplied the timber & workmen for this work which took seven years in building.

    b. Zerubbabel's Temple ( Ezra 1, 3, 6). This temple was instigated & authorized by Cyrus in 538 BC but the work ceased because of Samaritan opposition & discouragement of many of the Jews. In 515 BC, the work was finally completed by Zerubbabel & Joshua after being encouraged to do so by the prophets Haggai & Zechariah to take up the unfinished work. ( Ezra 4:24-5:2; Haggai 1:1-2:9; Zechariah 4:7-10). But this temple wasn't as extravagant as Solomon's. This temple was plundered & desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes in 169 BC.

    c. Herod's Temple. In about 20 BC, Herod the Great undertook to reconstruct the Temple with its surrounding courts & buildings. Most of the construction took about ten years to complete, but work was still going on while Jesus walked on the Earth & later. And this temple was destroyed by Emperor Titus of Rome in AD 70 & its furnishings & treasures carried off to Rome.

    There is no biblical reference to another temple being built as Jesus Himself said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." ( John 2:19), referring to His Body & three days later, His resurrection. And as you said, that we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19), so the old temple was destroyed (first by the rending of the vail & then by Titus), which ushered in the New Covenant with the Temple within us. There are references to the Temple in Heaven but in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for one, as "the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." ( Revelation 21:22).

    Present day Jews want another Temple to be built, some wanting the institution of sacrifices as well, & others, not. Yet, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 indicates that anti-Christ will one day sit in the temple showing himself to be God, so one can only guess on that one.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Zechariah 4
    Zechariah 4:14

    14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
  • Joe Bell - in Reply on Revelation 11
    Who are they, the two witnesses of Rev 11? It is true that "Elijah" appears before the day of the Lord to get the whole house of Israel straight ( Mal 4:5), but certainly not as a witness. Likewise, Moses has nothing to do with the end times, but waters turning to blood can have you thinking otherwise. When brought to light through investigation, God shows you who the two witnesses are.

    The two prophets/witnesses are described as "the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks that stand before the God of the earth". Olive trees and candlesticks have always been used to describe the house of Israel and the house of Judah. These are the 144,000 from the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, sealed from death for 42 months, at the 6th trumpet. Together, they are the whole house of Israel, witnesses to antichrists' exploits between the 6th & 7th trumpets.

    Zechariah 4

    Jer 11:16

    Psalm 52:8
  • My understanding is that Zerubbabel in Zechariah 4 and in Haggai 2 is symbolic of 1 of the 2 witnesses. It's not as if he will be reincarnated, it is symbolic. It is definitely veiled but the Bible certainly seems to support this.
  • Tem gomez on Acts 11:28
    concerning in the 1611 edition in this verse signified by the "spirit"
    while in the 1769 is "Spirit"
    is this a part of standardizing?
    i believe with out a doubt this is the Spirit of God that did signify and guide them into all the truth( john 16:13)some in the old testament like zechariah 4:6 is no doubt that it is the Holy Spirit...which in those times the person of the Holy Spirit is silent.
  • Enid Rwanda on Zechariah 4:9
    Today, many saints that are called to do the work of God are despised and discouraged by the society and even fellow saints. We may look at some as not perfect enough to minister the things of God to others. Many at times we have despised those operating in the five fold ministries hence the power of God not witnessed manisfeting in the Church. We at times expect those with annointing not ot be earlthly ie not to have any room for weakness. But the Zechariah 4 teaches that we should recognise the hand of God working in those He hsa called for they are first humans but wearing the righteaosness of Christ Jesus as seen in Joshua being adorned in another garment.
  • Pro on Genesis 4
    The Power of Truth

    WARNING: the information you are about to learn can get you killed.
    (Quiz: what do Mrs. Bhutto, Martin Luther King Jr., the Kennedys and Abraham Lincoln have in common?)

    Son of man, set they face against God, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. Ezekiel 38:32

    God doesn't send evil, but He allows it. In the Bible, in the book of Job, you can see that Satan has to deal with God to get permission to hurt (test) Job. Bible verses translated from Hebrew and Greek stating that God has an evil spirit are erroneous. God is Law, and when people break the law, they find themselves under the curse of the law, but if they obey the 10 commandments, they keep themselves under blessings. When Jacob (a black man) supplanted his twin brother, Esau (a white man with red hair blue eyes - Aryan) of his birthright in exchange for food, their father Isaac (which was Ismahel's half brother by Abraham - Ismael being the Arab Muslims) Isaac put Esau's material blessing (Banks) on Jacob (who later became Israel's 12 Tribes) along with the spiritual blessing of the Kingdom of God on earth (Torah) there was no more blessings to put on Esau (the 13th Tribe). So in Genesis 27:40, the father Isaac blessed Esau with a conditional blessing - IF... then.... (if Jacob breaks the law, then Esau will get the material blessing - the banks) and Jacob sinned.

    Revelation 11:15 "The Kingdom of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ: and he shall reign forever and ever". Luke 1:31-35 Jesus was born to be king. Greater is He that is in you than he (Lucifer) that is in the world!

    Revelation 13:17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (666).

    God is the only power there is. Lucifer is not a power (the only power he has is money); he is the arch-deceiver. He thrives on illusions, myths and lies. The myth of the two powers (God wrestling against Evil) is nothing else than a lie. It is nothingness. If you had all the powers of God in you right now, which you do, you would not have to use it, because there is nothing to use it against or to challenge it with. The two power myth (among many other lies) comes from the Garden of Eden when Lucifer deceived Adam and Eve. God asked them: "Who told you that you were naked?" Note to the readers: You will have to keep your mind open and be prepared to change your mind set with this Idea Replacement if you are to grasp this very simple thesis.

    After spending 60,000 years in caves with the "homme savant", during the Ice Age, God decided to reproduce His Holy (complete) character in man. Six thousand years ago, in the Garden of Eden, God (Elohim meaning family) planted a spirit in man Zech. 12:1 to connect with His Holy Spirit, and inspire man with things of the Spirit: language, music, arts and Godís master plan of 7,000 years duration, to reproduce Himself in man. God and the Word proceeded to make man after their image (holy character). Although Lucifer had already coveted Godís throne in heaven by saying in his heart: "I will be God - I will sit on the Throne" and had been cast out of heaven, he still had the responsibility to govern the earth with one third of the angels. HE IS THE PRINCE OF THE AIR (Media/TV/Entertainment). He was in the garden deceiving man, still is, and has a plan to interfere with Godís master plan both through World Ruling Empires and False Churches (Religions) by teaching his greedy get way of life opposed to Godís loving give way of life. Reference: Armstrong Correspondence Bible College.

    From Adam to Noah there is 1,000 years; from Noah to Abraham 1,000 years; to David another 1,000 and to Jesus 1,000 years - since Jesus 2,000 years for a total of 6,000 years. There is another 1,000 years to come (the Millennium when Jesus will be ruling the earth) and after that, there will be 100 years for the Judgement (White Throne) and then, there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth. Right now we are at a couple of seconds prior to midnight on day #6.

    We are way passed the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, Rev. 6, which are: the white horse (false religions); the red horse (wars); the pale horse (pestilence/famines) and the black horse (death). There are still a lot of Tribulations and Heavenly Signs to come only Jesus can stop the complete annihilation of people on earth:
    The 7th Seal is the 7 Trumpets:
    1st trumpet - 1/3 of the trees & grass will burn;
    2nd turmpet - 1/3 of the sea will become blood;
    3rd trumpet - 1/3 of the fresh water will become bitter;
    4th trumpet - 1/3 of the light will be darkened;
    5th trumpet - (1st Woe) Rev. 9 - War between the King of the South (KoS) (Arabs) vs. the King of the North (KoN) which is Germany-led European Union
    (E.U.) Dan.11:40;
    6th trumpet - (2nd Woe) A Russian & Chinese Army of 200 million, Rev. 9:16, 1/3 of mankind will meet at Megiddo, 55 miles Northwest of Jerusalem, and kill
    1/3 of 7 billion people, Rev. 16:16; at that point people should repent Ezekiel 14:6;
    7th trumpet - (3rd Woe) (all within 24 hours) Return of Jesus Christ, the first Resurrection of saints and the
    7 Vials: 1st vial: Sores; 2. bloody sea; 3.bloody water; 4. burning sun; 5. darkness & pain; 6. Euphrates River dries up, and 7. the
    greatest earthquake ever when Jesusí feet land on Mount of Olives and the mount cleaves in two - Zech. 14:4.

    Since the beginning Lucifer oppressed the world through very cruel and murderous World Ruling Empires Ė the Great Image in Daniel 2 and 7 and the Beast in Revelation 13 and 17 all represent the same government by Satan, on earth:
    I. Chaldean Empire Nebuchadnezzar 825-538 B.C. (head of gold);
    II. Medo-Persian Empire 539-330 B.C. (shoulders and arms of silver);
    III. Greco-Macedonian Empire 334-323 B.C. (torso of brass);
    IV. Roman Empire 30 B.C. Ė A.D. 476 till Christ returns, now. The two legs are the Western Capital: Rome & Eastern Capital: Constantinople. The feet & toes are 5 nations in the West, and 5 nations in the East of E.U. The feet and 10 toes of iron (KoN) mixed with clay (KoS) are ten contemporaneous (at the same time) European kings in the E.U. In Revelation 13 & 17, the seven-headed beast and the ten horns represent 10 successive resurrections (governments), of the amalgamated Church and State - Holy (Catholic Church) Roman Empire (State) KoN, swift, hard and brutal as iron ruling government or Globalisation is leading the whole world, through filthy rich empires from the four quarters (4/4) of the earth: North, East, West and South (N.E.W.S.) Europe, Russia/China/India, the Bush Administration in U.S. and the Conservative Party (Mulroney/Harper government) in Canada, and Arabs into a New World Order (NWO). The last resurrection was the 9th horn (WWII). The coming 10th resurrectionís propaganda is to foment hatred between Iran and Zionists (Israel) to provoke WWIII; and most churches are totally hypnotized by the Illuminati (Lucifer).

    The NWO loves: Police states, Arts and cheap labour. It has a pattern of slavery and unimaginable cruelty, genocide, threats, assassinations, poisonings, plant temptation and use sex blackmail (as in Lewinsky) and botched operations and always use a fall guy (someone to blame if things go wrong - like Hitler in WWII, Hitler being a Rothschild's illegitimate cousin, and Bin Laden for the War on Terror) typical signature of the NWO. While Germany was winning WWII, they got Hitler to commit suicide, while a sex blackmailed U.S. President, Woodlow Wilson in 1913, had agreed to appoint a Zionist Braedeis as U.S. Supreme Court judge, through a Rotschild's law firm, Braedeis quid pro quo Britain to bring U.S. troops for Balfour Act, if the Brits would give Jerusalem to Germany by recognizing the Zionists, the Naziís new creation, ISRAEL, in the Balfour Act to Rothschild, then the Brits would win the war. Britain had no more right to do that than China has the right to give Canada to U.S. Also Google, Charles Lindbergh 1913 speech re. the invisible government of the monetary power.

    After he had a dream, General Albert Pike, an Illuminati and a Freemason, completes his military blueprint for three World Wars to enfold: WWI he planned to foment war between the British and the Germans; WWII - the slaughter of Jews to foment hatred against Germans and to create the Zionist Nation, a military base in the Middle East; and WWIII - foment hatred to play Iran, the Islamics, against the Zionists so they (Zionists) can exterminate Islam. Reference: The History of the House of Rothschild, by Andrew Hitchcock. All this evil is planned by the Bilderberg Group (13 rich families of greedy gangsters).

    The Rothschilds (Esau) violent, barbarian murderers, claim that they are Jewish. They are from Khazaria and had to convert to Jewry by instructions of the King. In slaughtering millions of real (Jacob) Jews, the AshkeNAZI Jews, what they like to call themselves, met in secret underground and planned to force real Jews from all over the world to move to Jerusalem and they created a Zionist Nation. Every Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew (90% of Jews today are Khazars - Ashkenazi Jews). Their Roth (German for red) schild (sign) is the red Hexagram, 9/11 IX XI, which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666. Adolf Hitler did not have a grand-father (but he had his character). Joseph Rothschild's son looks exactly like Hitler.

    The stone, in Daniel 2:45, was cut out of the mountain without hands, hitting the statue's feet, it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream [is] certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. That stone cut without hands means a discourse not thought by universities, nor by man, but is inspired from God, and is the Word of God, the Torah (you will know the Truth and the Truth will make you free. John 8:32) and when it hits (now) the statue on the feet it vaporises Satanís ruling kingdom on earth (illusions/myths and lies) once and for all. Daniel 2:44. Zechariah 4:6-7 This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain...

    Then Jesus will rule during the Millennium, Revelation 14:14, where the lamb will sit with the lion and there will be the great harvest of souls. Jesusí resurrection was the Barley Harvest; the Church, to help Him during the Millennium, is the Wheat Harvest and during the Millennium will be the Grape (people) great Fruit Harvest. Now is not the time to harvest for the Kingdom of God for He has planned one thousand years to do just that.

    The Illuminati also known as the: Freemason, Luciferian, Ku Klux Klan, New World Order owning half the wealth of the world, Rothschilds' 500 Trillion Dollars have a plan by making money through wars. Very similar to 1817 where they fomented war between Britain and the United States wishing on the U.S. for refusing their bank, that the U.S. would be in such deep debt fighting that war, that they would surrender to the Rothschilds - in recent years, their latest fiasco, showed the same pattern. Before Bush Jr. took office, the budget had over a 250 Billion Dollars Surplus and after, Bush left a 1.3 Trillion Dollars Deficit. The Republicans wasted the Surplus, plus all the tax Revenues for twelve years and signed 1.3 Trillion Dollars into legislation for wars industries in order to bring the United States under the control of the Bankers. The Zionists, Corporations, United Nations, International Law, European Union, African, Asian and Indian Markets, Saudis, UNESCO, IMF, NATO, NAFTA, World Trade Organization, Military Industrial Complex (MIC) Eisenhower's farewell speech, Globalisation, Green parties, Pharmaceutical companies, Viagra & the porn industry, Sex trade & Pedophilia, Opium, Vaccines induced diseases infirmities and deaths such as AIDS in Africa being a crop of mass vaccinations in the 1940-50s and other mass murders and genocides in Africa and South America, Pandemic diseases, Street drugs, Mass incarceration of black men, the Food Industry, Water, Oil, Gold & Silver, Diamonds & precious metals (mining), religions, media, TV, University & College education, research & development, cell phones, toys, makeup, tooth paste, coffee and toilet paper etc. And we wonder if 9/11 was a conspiracy? IX XI was necessary.

    May God bless Jacob ( Ezekiel 37) and punish Esau ( Ezekiel 38 & 39). Remember, it is better to know this in silence than to speak and be silenced!


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