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  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hey Rick,

    Death is something we all will face; many believe our body dies and our soul lives on. Is our soul immortal? Can we take 2 Corinthians 5:8 when we die our soul leaves our body and we are present with the Lord? Some define death as a separation of the soul from the body. Does that come from scripture? I have not found that in scripture.

    It comes from Greek philosophy of Plato. He wrote the body is a prison for the soul and viewed death as the means of freedom for the soul. The philosophy of death started blending in the church in the second century and those good souls go to heaven and the bad goes to hell and more. Many see the parable in Luke 16:19-31 as fitting this. If you read the chapter Jesus is talking about the unrighteous love mammon and neglect the true riches.

    My understanding from scripture every part of us is mortal and when we die, we sleep in the dust, Job 14:12-14, Job 17:13-16, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 until resurrection. When this mortal puts on immortality 1 Corinthians 15:52-58, and we will be absent from this flesh body. Then those that are Christs will be judged and receive our rewards. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12 that is our hope, 1 Thessalonians 2:19

    We will sleep in the dust, Daniel 12:2, 1Theselonians 4:14 and this is not from heaven, it is from around the world to meet Jesus in the air coming down to Israel the start the 1000 years at His coming. Matthew 24:31 Zechariah 14:4.

    This is my understanding of scripture.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 91
    These words clearly indicate Christ's promises from the Father; hence Satan's attempt for Him to fall to temptation to break continual obedience at the end of the 40 days of fasting in the wilderness ( Matthew 4:2 and following verses). Clearly, we have promises such as in verse 8 where we will only see the destruction of the wicked with our eyes and verse 7 where a thousand fall at our side; 10000 near you which could indicate those on earth at Armageddon or the battle for Jerusalem ( Zechariah 14) or our view of the judgments as they are cast to earth from heaven as seen in Revelation. We are also promised that God will go before us and be our rear guard ( Isaiah 52:12); and the angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him, and delivers him ( Psalm 34:7). Angels are ministering spirits; who have worked to free prisoners from jail in the case of Daniel in the lions den; and Peter in prison. When we are seated in heavenly places ( Eph. 2:6); hence He is our refuge ( Psalm 91:9). We do well to heed to the example of Christ; when he neared the end of His trial at His weakest point the enemy attacked. Patiently waiting until He was ministered to by angels afterward is a lesson to us to trust in Him (v. 2); and see that the Lord is good ( Psalm 34:8). We must endure to the end; but that is only in His strength. We remember that He is our High Priest; ever interceding for us ( Hebrews 7:25 and many other verses in that book).
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister GiGi, here is a prophecy of Zechariah by the Spirit of Christ.

    Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that everyone that is left of all nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the LORD of Host, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles.

    Does our Christian churches believe and teach this prophecy of God's kingdom on earth.

    No, they don't, have you ever sat in church and hear this preached or seen it preached on television or heard it preached on radio.

    Jesus came not to destroy the law and prophets, but to fulfill the law and prophets.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 21
    Sister Sacha, I believe we start in TOTAL DARKNESS (no knowledge of God) and we end in TOTAL LIGHT (full knowledge of God).

    Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

    Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, or night: but it shall come to pass, that at EVENING TIME IT SHALL BE LIGHT.
  • Earl Bowman
    WHO Is SATAN

    Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT (Satan) was more subtil than any BEAST of the Field which the Lord God Had made...

    God made ALL THE BEAST of the field out of DUST, The BEAST are all made FLESH.

    1 Corinthians 15:39 Not all flesh is the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of man, another of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

    Which of these creations of FLESH is the MOST SUBTIL, Of course it's MAN.

    Job 26:13 By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His (Spirits) hand hath formed he crooked (liar and murderer, from the beginning) serpent (subtil beast).

    1 John 2:16 ..The lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life..

    Which of these creations of FLESH have the capabilities to have the pride of life, lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, of course it's MAN.

    James 2:19 thou (terrestrial FLESH) believest there is one one God, thou doest well, the devils (Satan, terrestrial FLESH) also BELIEVE, and tremble.

    Revelation 13 :8 Here is wisdom let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the BEAST (FLESH): for his number is the number of a MAN..

    Who is the ONLY beast of the field that is subtil, can lust, can BELIEVE and can buy and sell. Why of course, it's MAN, THE PRINCE(S) OF THIS WORLD.

    You BELIEVE, long before you are BORN AGAIN. Terrestrial FLESH, the carnal mind, has to BE DESTROYED (it's the process of light replacing darkness).

    1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (terrestrial flesh) to Satan (terrestrial flesh) for the DESTRUCTION of the Flesh, that the Spirit might be SAVED in the day of the Lord.

    Isaiah 9:20 ..they shall every man EAT THE FLESH OF HIS OWN RIGHT ARM.

    Zechariah 14:12 ..their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet..

    Revelation 19:18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and he flesh of captains, and the flesh of might men..

    Romans 13:11 ..now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    WORK OUT YOU OWN SALVATION

    PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Page 1

    Brother Kevin, Christ is reigning NOW, the kingdom of God came when Christ was RESURRECTED, so, YES, the earth is being populated during his REIGN. His reign want end until he has SUBDUED all things to himself ( 1 Corinthians 15:25-28). In this AGE he is only CHOOSING and CAUSING the ones to be priest ( Revelation 5:10) in his kingdom to BELIEVE ( Philippians 1:29). The feast of the weeks is the shadow in the Old Testament, the wheat and rye were harvested first (it was only a small portion of the crop that would be harvested that year). You see references to wheat in Christ parables (we are the WHEAT).

    When the second resurrection has happened, all the inhabitants of the world from Adam to the resurrection of the dead, will be raised back into their terrestrial flesh. They are going to be judged and brought to truth. It appears from some of the prophets words that this judgement could last a long time. Man may once again live in terrestrial flesh to be hundreds of years old, So, yes, the earth could be repopulating during this AGE. In the Old testament the feast of the tabernacles was when the remainder of the harvest was brought IN (after the WHEAT was harvested). We are the WHEAT (first resurrection) those in the second resurrection are the remaining harvest, to be harvested in the feast of the in gathering or feast of the tabernacles.

    Zechariah 14:4 And his (Christ) feet shall stand in that day (Day of the Lord) on the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half the mountain shall move toward the north, and half the mountain toward the south.

    This prophecy ALSO must be spiritually discerned.

    When Christ in his ministry stood on the mount of Olives, this became reality, but the mountain and valley are, SIGNIFIED, and not not literal. Mountains and valleys and hills are often SIGNIFIED as PEOPLE
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Micah 2
    Revelation 1-22

    Zechariah 14:1-40
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Sister Sacha across the pond, good memory, Numbers 14:21, we also see in Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. We also see when Jesus comes to set up the kingdom here on earth, in Zechariah 14:4. Also we will reign here on earth 2 Timothy 2:12 Revelation 5:10 Revelation 11:15

    I agree anytime we study the Bible we need to keep in mind how our fleshly mind works. For most of our life, we function with our subconscious mind with little to no thought at all. We have programmed our minds with traditions, teaching, and things we learn by what we see and do.

    Preconceived ideas imprinted in our minds and when we read or hear a reading a picture automatically pops in our mind and it is two steps ahead of what we are reading, seeing, or hearing. A small test, read the following sentence quickly, one time.

    Mary had little lamb its fleece white snow everywhere Mary the lamb sure to go.

    Did you fill in the missing words unwillingly or did you stumble trying to read it because you have heard it so many times? I know this is not biblical but it could be if it helps study. It might not be we have made up our mind, it is more like our mind made it up own its own unless we can with prayer and consciously clear our mind.

    Sorry, I got wordy, love reading yours and Mishael's posts, instead of contentious I would use a saying that started near to where you live, from medieval jousts, you wear your heart on your sleeve.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

    8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

    9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

    RDf

    9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

    10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

    RDf

    10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

    11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

    RDf

    11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

    12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

    RDf

    12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

    13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

    RDf

    13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

    14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

    RDf

    14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

    {borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Hey Wesley

    The 1000 Year Kingdom will be on the earth, not in heaven, ( Revelation 11:15) It will be a time when Lord Jesus and those chosen to rule the nations with an iron rod ( Revelation 5:10). We know from ( Revelation 20:7-10), nations after the 1000 years.

    The thousand-year reign of Jesus, will be after the great tribulation of Satan, the beast and the false prophet. The second coming of Jesus with the army of angels, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13: 24-27) the first resurrected saints that meet Jesus in the air, ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Jesus' feet land on Mount of Olives ( Zechariah 14:4)



    The beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the ten king's armies of the beast that came up on Jerusalem to battle are destroyed. ( Revelation 19:11-21) and Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit.

    Then the judgment seat of Christ for those that have been chosen to reign with Him in this Millennium Kingdom. ( Revelation 20: 4-6) People will live and die during this time. and when it is over, Satan will be released and bring an army for one last battle and fire comes down and Satan is cast in the lake of fire. ( Revelation 20:7-10)

    White Throne Judgment of the rest of the dead. The goats and the sheep, "some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt", "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation" Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And then ( Revelation 21) The marriage and the marriage supper. Jesus said at the last supper ( Matthew 26:29) ( Mark 14:25) ( Luke 22:18) when it is new.

    The purpose of the thousand-year reign is to put this world in order and allow for the fulfillment of several promises God made with Israel, David and others.

    This is a brief view of what I see from my study, I am sure some, maybe you, will disagree and that's ok, may it cause study.

    RLW
  • Taylor Ellis
    Earl,

    I agree with you in part, but your day of the Lord interpretation doesn't take into account our leaders can easily bring about WWIII, like they did I & 2. When you read about this attack, there are real people dying in a panic, wearing flames.

    God tells us plain as day that He is coming for us, His Spirit is with our enemies to do His will.

    Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, EVEN THE LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    The forth kingdom described by Daniel in the later years, has 7 heads and 10 horns. Jesus Christ is the rock 'hewn without hands' that smashes the beast to rule all kingdoms:

    Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    The scriptures below show strict millennial temple worship of the Lord from all nations visiting Jerusalem. They must be going to a temple, to pay respects to Jesus. Jesus Christ sits on Davids throne, otherwise why continue the unbroken lineage? Was it not written that Christ would sit on David's throne?

    Zechariah 14:16-17

    Psalm 86:9

    Psalm 22:27

    Revelation 15:4

    I see a physical Jesus Christ, transformed and supernatural, coming back in time to stop the feuding beast army from completely blowing the earth up; worse than Isaiah 24.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 20
    Hi WH Hamilton. These names you see in Revelation 20:8 go all the way back to the days of Noah. As you know, Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham & Japheth. From Japheth issued sons: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, & Tiras. And Genesis 20:2-5 tell us that "By these (the sons/descendants of Japheth) were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."

    Then the Word of the LORD came to Ezekiel ( Ezekiel 38:1-3): "Son of man (i.e. Ezekiel), set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him". Even though we can't be certain of the exact locations of where these people actually settled in, we can assume that they went into Europe (northern parts) & the various countries formed from these families. Therefore, this 'person' Gog, is also unknown, even though he is referred to as "the chief prince of Meshech & Tubal". These names certainly don't have any modern day counterparts, though it seems that these countries, maybe a union of them, will figure in that great battle in the Valley of Megiddo (Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39; Revelation 16:14-16; Zechariah 14:1-3; Joel 3:1,2). Some suppose that Russia is referred to here, in which case those nations around them & under her influence & power will come against Israel in that Great Day of God's Judgement.
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10
    Part 4

    Ezekiel 38:18-23

    The Lord Jesus Christ standing on Mount Olive:

    The seventh trumpet sounds:

    ( Revelation 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [Jesus comes as a thief at both sixth & seventh trumpets]

    vs 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face

    vs 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

    ( Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ( Revelation 16:17) ( John 19:30)

    ( Ezekiel 37:1-14) Resurrection: ...vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. vs 11 ...these bones are the whole house of Israel. vs 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,..

    ( Matthew 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    ( Revelation 1:7)

    ( Revelation 19:11-16)

    ( Revelation 19:19-20)

    vs 20 ...Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ( Zechariah 14:1-4) ....Then shall the LORD go forth...And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...

    ( Zechariah 14:12)

    God removes the 'northern army':

    ( Joel 2:20-21)

    ( Daniel 11:40)

    ( Jeremiah 6:22-23)

    ( Jeremiah 50:3)

    ( Jeremiah 50:41)

    vs 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - in Reply on Revelation 12
    Greetings in Jesus' name, Carla.

    Great question!

    Revelation 12:1

    12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

    Genesis 37:9-10

    9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

    10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

    From this passage of Scripture speaking of Joseph and the dream he was given; we can see that the woman with the 12 stars and the sun and the moon referenced in Revelation 12 is Israel.

    The dragon is obviously that old serpent our defeated foe (satan).

    And the water represents nations or people that will attack Israel during the time of Jacob's trouble/the great tribulation, but she will flee to the valley in the mountains prophesied in Zechariah 14 (I believe) that God hath prepared for her.

    Later John writes about MYSTERY BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS (the roman catholic church) that sits upon many waters. We can see that the roman emperor (the pope) has his "churches" all over the world in just about every nation (many waters).

    This is why Christians must come out from her and her "protestant" daughters to be saved ( Rev 18:4).

    I hope this helps you Carla.

    Be well in Jesus' name,

    Andrew
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 1
    Gunner,

    This battle will take place in the Valley of Megiddo. It's HAR-MEGIDDON. HAR is valley. The Valley of Megiddo is what Armageddon means.

    And we see that in Zechariah 14:2-3, and Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39. It talks about this battle known as Armageddon or the valley of Megiddo.

    Right now, Satan going through all this trouble to bring about a one-world government, one-world religious system, and one world economic system.

    It's so he can unify everybody under his control so that at the second coming of Christ, he will be in control of them to get them over to the valley of Megiddo and fight against the Lord at His second coming.

    This is a very brief, but simple explanation, as you asked.

    I hope this answers your question.
  • Starbux on 1 John 5
    There are not 3 persons in the Godhead.

    Lord says he is God alone! There is no one with him in the Godhead!

    Isaiah

    40: 25 - God says he has no equal.

    41: 4 - God says he is the first and the last: I am He.

    42: 8 - God/Lord says he will not share his glory with another.

    43: 10, 11, - The Lord says he is savior alone, there was no God formed before or after him.

    44: 6, 8, 24: God says he is first and the last, no God with him, he knows no one with him. He made the heavens and earth alone.

    45: 5, 6, 14, 18, 21, 22. - There is no God beside him. There is none else.

    46: 5, 9 - No God equal with him, there is none else.

    48: 12 - Says I am he, the first and the last.

    In conclusion, if there are 3 persons in the Godhead/diety, you will have 3 Gods.

    Scripture shows God alone is in the Godhead/deity.

    And his name is JESUS, who is the Almighty:

    Revelation 1: 8, 11, 17.

    Zechariah 14: 9.

    1 John 5: 20:

    We know him that is true, we are in him that is true, in his son Jesus Christ, the true God!
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

    Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Isaiah 2:2-4 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Read More...)

    Isaiah 65:25 - The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

    Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

    Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Daniel 2:44 - And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never b
  • Chris - in Reply on Acts 1
    I can't think of a specific verse(s) to what you seek, but certainly there are verses that show that Jerusalem, as the most important city in Israel, will figure now & into the future as God has directed in 2 Chronicles 6:5,6. And we have the following Scriptures as well: Zechariah 14:1-21; Jeremiah 3:17; Isaiah 2:1-4, 9:6,7, 24;23; Joel 3:17; Micah 4:1-5; Luke 1:32,33 showing Jerusalem's importance. With the third Temple to be built there in the future on the Temple Mount (alluded to in Revelation 11:1,2), I think that event will indicate to the world, of Jerusalem's importance & full return to Israel.
  • Ronald. on Zechariah 14
    Your first question in the trivia questions in Zechariah 14 ,should read,Zechariah prophesied the future when CHRIST reigns.NOT GOD. Cheers!
  • Grace - in Reply on Amos 1
    Hello David,

    That earthquake happened during the time of King Uzziah of Judah. Except witnessed in Zechariah 14:5 it isn't mentioned anywhere else
  • Antichrist Study - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2:3
    You would enjoy this book by Arthur E Bloomfield: How To Recognize The Antichrist. He's deceased now, but he's quite the student of prophesy.

    There is information in the Book of Daniel, ch 11-12 you can read. 2 Thessalonians has description. Zechariah 14. The little horn in Daniel 8, is the Antichrist.

    Information is all over the Bible. I suggest reading all of the references in the Center of each Page. It's lengthy study, takes much time to do it; but the is a much wider perception and explanation of what you're studying.
  • Naya - in Reply on Revelation 21
    Jesse, what I meant by "to be found worthy" is just having a good rapport, righteousness through faith in Jesus upon his return.

    When I say "natural born Israel" is physical Israelites by bloodline. Since the male carries the seed, whoever a person's father's father is down the line is the true nationality of that person according to God. Not discounting "mixed" with something else. I'm going strictly by the male's seed as it was done according to the Lord and the bible Descendants of the children of Israel are still here today, only God knows exactly who they are. That's the only way he can gather them from where he scattered them throughout the 4 corners of the earth upon his return.

    (You say Revelation 19 says we come back with him?) Read: Zechariah 14:1;3-5;9;16-17 (iThe day of the Lord's return, yes, he said he will bring all the saints w/him.

    See: I Thessalonians 3:12-13(This is the Lord saying he's coming w/all his saints.

    See: Zechariah 14:9; 16-17 (EVERYONE that is left of all nations. Ask yourself, where did Jesus get his saints from that he'll have w/him upon his return? See: I Thessalonians.

    I Thessalonians 4:13-17 (The Lord coming down. He said the saints will be "caught up in the clouds" to meet him in the air. This all takes place "after" the last trumpet, "after" the "Great Tribulation."

    See: Daniel 7:1-3; 13-14; 17-18; 27 (verse 13 Remember the Lord said he's coming meeting in the clouds?)

    4 Kings=4 Kingdoms. The saints of the most high will take the kingdom. "Under the heaven"=This is Jesus' Kingdom on earth. Notice verse 27 This is the last prophecy the angel Gabriel gave Mary.

    Ezekiel 20:32-39 The Lord is dealing w/Natural born Israel "after" his return on earth. These are mortal beings he will plead w/and purge out the rebels in the wilderness, then make his new covenant w/them. Part of this scripture deals w/the past;part of it deals w/future events.

    I'll answer your second part shortly.
  • Naya - in Reply on Revelation 21
    The Church is never in "heaven" per se at the wedding ceremony. Everything takes place on earth. The Lord will dwell in Jerusalem when he returns.

    Acts 1:6-12 The angel said the Lord will return in like manner.(Notice the Lord was on the Mt. of Olives when he left earth)

    Zechariah 14:1-5 (Read the entire chapter) Notice verse 5 His feet shall stand that day upon the Mt. of Olives which is before Jerusalem on the east. (The entire chapter of Zechariah 14 takes place while the Lord is dwelling on earth)

    Zechariah 14:9-11 Lord shall be king over all the earth.

    Zechariah 14:16-19 The Feast of Tabernacles will be held in Jerusalem each year where Jesus will be dwelling.

    Zechariah 8:1-8 Lord returns to Zion and dwells in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem will be called City of Truth. He will bring his people to Jerusalem to be his people and he their God. (This has not taken place yet; it's all future)

    Isaiah 66:15-18;19-20;23-24 All flesh will come worship him from one new moon to another, one Sabbath to another. People who are in the lake of fire will not have their fire quenched. (this is all future)

    Revelation 20:1-3 The Angel comes to bound Satan 1,000yrs. (This is the First resurrection) These saints will reign with Christ 1,000yrs.

    I Thessalonins 3:13-17 The Lord coming with all his saints in the clouds. See Daniel 7

    Daniel 7:1-3;13-14; (verse 13 remember the Lord said he's coming back in the clouds?)

    Daniel 7:7-18;27 (verse 27 under the heaven is where Jesus' Kingdom will be)

    Luke 1:26-27;30-33 (What did the angel tell Mary? Read verse 30-33.) That God promised DAvid someone would come through his lineage and sit on the throne of David. (Jesus will come to earth to sit on David's throne.)

    Psalm 123:11-16 The Lord swore in truth to David he will sit upon David's throne. (Who are his children? the Saints).

    David's throne will be in Jerusalem.

    I will continue...
  • Greg on Luke 7:23
    Kags,

    If the feet of the Messiah do not touch the earth at His return, how do you explain Zechariah 14:4?

    "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

    Also, if the body of Christ is taken out before the Tribulation, then who are those that endure until the end? ( Mark 13:27, 1 Corinthians 15:52)

    He that endureth to the END shall be saved ( Matthew 10:22)

    So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, ( Mark 13:49)

    Are we not told that it "is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully" ( 1 Peter 2:19).
  • Extra Extra Read All About It - in Reply on Matthew 7
    Yes satan is still loose how do you think He tempted Jesus and were warned to suit up cause satan seeking whom he may devour- He is the god of this world who is blinding the minds of so many in 2 Corinthians chapter 4- The part when He is casted out happens in midst of the 7 year trib when the israelites are told to flee- When he will be casted out of Heaven for good when God intervenes for the Israelites in Luke 21 & zechariah 14 when satan gets mad at God and goes for us chritians Revelation 12 But we living in them end days where Jesus warned when the gospel been preached to all Nations then the end would come cause google is now adding links to chapters on this bible and removing scripts
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 1 Timothy 4
    Nephillim part 3 we the Canaanites / giants like Goliath just evil people like the rest of us?

    Zephaniah 2:5 Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant.

    So please explain, with a wealth of Bible knowledge, why God commanded Israel to exterminate all the Canaanites and the giant Phillistines (Goliath and David)

    Deut 20:17 - But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

    Num 21:3 - And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites;

    and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

    Why did the Lord not tell Joshua to please send evangelists to tell them the ways of the Lord?

    No, instead the Lord commanded they all be killed.

    Zechariah 14:21 - Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:

    and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:

    and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

    NO QUOTES FROM ENOCH or anything except the Bible

    Read again...no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

    The view of the sethite Adamite sons of God makes the Lord sound like a homicidal maniac.............
  • Bob Hilt on Philippians 4:13
    Someone asked Jesus what was the most important commandment.
    Matthew 22:36 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 - Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 - This is the first and great commandment.

    Mat 22:39 - And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Mat 22:40 - On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.
    Honoring the feasts is not a bad idea. Tabernacles in the kingdom will be kept per Zechariah 14:18
    Jesus never said believe on me and keep the law and thou shalt be saved.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Exodus 6
    Yes very dangerous to twist scriptures. Canaanites shall not be saved
    Zechariah 14:21 - Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
    and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
    and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

    Numbers 21:3 - And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites;
    and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.
  • Mac Tucker on Hosea 5
    Never in the world's history has this taken place. Hosea 5 is a prophecy that has never been fulfilled and will take place in the last days. The countries will be doing the things that where being done in the time of Noah. This time want be a flood of water. We know that Israel can only be partially taken Zechariah 14 , but who must be removed for this to happen.
  • A disciple on Revelation 1
    Sharlett; Zechariah 14:12 "And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." This is not from a nuclear explosion or anything of man's power; but by the anger of the Lord.


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