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  • Dianne - in Reply
    Oseas I have yet to see a reply from you that's all positive and shares scripture like Phil. 4:8, James 3:17, Galatians 5:20, I'm very aware of our enemies tactics and our spiritual warfare, I choose not to give Him any more attention than He's already got besides people need to Hear more about the love of God in Christ. Remember Romans 2:4 its the goodness of God that leadeth to repentance, Jesus Christ taught and displayed Gods Love and light, that was the attraction, not if you don't believe this your toast. Something to consider. He loved the unlovable, I at one time was in that category. By His Grace I've been spared. God Bless
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Dianne, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS grace.

    God CANNOT be SOVEREIGN and man have FREE WILL, it's impossible. Man would be able to CHANGE what God predestinated.

    There have been billions of people that have been born and died, if man has free will why didn't at least one free will himself to NOT SIN.

    Man makes hundreds of choices every day, but ever choice you make has a CAUSE and that cause is God:

    Ephesians 1:11 In whom we also have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and DO of his good pleasure.

    You are born again by the word of God.

    This is part of being born again: you AGREE with God; that you do nothing of yourself, all is OF GOD, he shares his glory with NO ONE.

    He causes you to believe, He causes you to understand that it is his faith not yours, He causes you to repent, He causes you to LOVE.

    Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to also suffer for his sake;

    Philippians 3:9 And being found in HIM, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the FAITH OF CHRIST, the righteousness which is OF GOD by faith.

    Romans 2:4 ....Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall KEEP my judgements, ans DO THEM.

    NO FREE WILL in those scriptures.

    Living IN CHRIST becomes quite simple when you are born of TRUTH.
  • Pastor-Ronnie Williams - in Reply on Psalms 51
    TO: Dianne on Psalms 51

    I know God is forgiving, and I joyfully accept His forgiveness. My weakness comes in my inability to forgive myself. The world is constantly reminding me of my wrongdoing. Sadly, the world to which I'm referring is within the church.

    Most true children of God has a hard time forgiving themselves, but we must Mark 11:26

    (But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.) This scripture is talking about forgiving everyone including ourselves because Romans 2:11 (For there is no respect of persons with God.) I know exactly what you are talking about when you mention the church world, but remember there is no church world with God; ONLY the world and the church! The church starts in you, you are the temple of the living God if you have been Born Again and

    1 John 4:4

    (Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.) Praying for you
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sissy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You will get two schools of thought on what happens to us at the death of our body of flesh.

    I DON'T BELIEVE in a general rapture of the church; I BELIEVE we are gathered ONE BY ONE.

    Isaiah 27:12

    Matthew 24:40

    I BELIEVE each believer is given HIS REWARD at the death of our body of flesh.

    Our REWARD is ETERNAL LIFE and a BODY LIKE CHRIST. We become the IMAGE of Christ.

    Colossians 1:15

    Colossians 3:10

    Romans 8:29

    Every believer will receive the SAME REWARD; but different GLORIES.

    Matthew 20:1-16

    Romans 2:11

    1 Corinthians 15:41

    I BELIEVE when we leave our bodies of flesh we begin ruling and judging with Christ in the Kingdom of God.

    Revelation 20:4

    Obadiah 1:21

    Quote: "The Law and the Prophets

    The 2 witnesses (against us and for us) has always been:

    The LAW and the PROPHETS. GOD'S WORD."

    GOD's Word is not only "The LAW and the PROPHETS". But above of the Dispensation of the Law and Prophets - Old Testament - GOD established the New Testament through JESUS Christ bringing salvation for the lost Jews under the Law and Prophets and for the Gentiles without Law. Romans 2:v.14

    Peter the Apostle wrote in his universal epistle: 1 Pe.1:v.3 to12

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

    7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the APPEARING of Jesus Christ:

    8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see Him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

    9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

    10 Of which SALVATION THE PROPHETS have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

    11 Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

    12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the GOSPEL unto you with the Holy SPIRIT sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Luke 5
    Brother david, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

    you are saved!

    i am using god's words showing brothers and sisters that all of salvation is of god. man plays no part in salvation. we have been deceived.

    at each mans appointed time (by god). god will bring about the circumstances to cause that man to respond to god.

    man does't believe god does this. they believe it is their choice.

    paul was on his way to kill more of god's church. he believed he was doing god's work.

    in one blinding moment god caused saul to become paul.

    ephesians 2:10 for we are his workmanship .....

    ephesians 1:11 .....being predestined according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will.

    philippians 1:29 for unto us it is given in the behalf of christ, not only to believe on him, but to also suffer for him.

    philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having our own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of christ, the righteousness of god by faith (of christ).

    romans 2:4 ......not knowing that the goodness of god leadeth thee to repentance.

    all is of god. god appoints at time, gives man his faith to causes man to believe and causes man to repent.

    i give my glory to no one.

    i will bring down the high and lofty one.

    you died on the cross with christ. he is the life you now have and live by.

    thank god for the works of christ.
  • Adam - in Reply
    Hello, I appreciate what you wrote there and agree with all your points except the book of life. It's my opinion that we're not written in the book of life until we're first judged by God. I think God knows all and might even take notes in such a book.

    I think many assume we're 'saved' instantly when we start following Christ. While the Bible says we can have assurance of salvation if we follow Him, but I'm not aware of any verse saying we're instantly saved and will skip judgment and are in a book of life, as if its a guest list for heaven.

    I looked up the 4 verses you posted about 'book of life' and they don't say that all Christians have their names written in the book of life, it doesn't say who or when their names may be written in the book, and doesn't say this comes before judgment day. The Exodus reference suggests that Moses's name was written in a book by God. It doesn't call it the book of life. Moses was also a special person appointed by God. God also replied with this: And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. And the Bible says everyone has sinned.

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Doesn't say you have salvation now, doesn't say you have it instantly and aren't judged, it says revealed in the last time.

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    This says grace isn't even given to us until the end at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    Revelation 20:12 - indicates the book of life is used on the day of judgment to review what all have done. Either way all will be judged.

    2 Corinthians 5:10

    Romans 2:16

    John 12:48

    Hebrews 9:27

    Revelation 20:12

    If you have more evidence that says the moment you say respond to an altar call you're instantly in the book of life, or that the moment you decide to follow Jesus you are written in the book of life, please let me know where... Thank you.
  • Esther Singletary
    I have one more Biblical oddity that I've stumbled upon. It is a classic line you hear once in a while.

    God said He is not a respecter of men.

    ( Romans 2:11)For there is no respect of persons with God.

    When God remembered his covenant, he respected the captives of the children of Israel.

    ( Exodus 2:24-25) And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. 25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

    This example makes it clear that God has respect for meaningful mortal endeavors. If you wanted to get technical, you could rationalize that while God is not a respecter of persons, he sure do love Him some whole house of Israel.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 1
    Marco Polo

    The words Jew and Gentile can be confusing and when studying we must closely examine the context to make sure their meaning is clear. Due to centuries of mass indoctrination, in the minds of most people, the world is now divided into two groups of people - the Jews and everyone else, as if the Jews constitute the entirety of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel.

    Gentile, the original words goy and ethnos refer to "peoples" or "nations" and are applied to both Israelites and non-Israelites in the Bible. It is derived from the Latin word gentilis, which means one who is not a Roman citizen. What's unique, by its meaning a single person can not be called a gentile.

    Jew, the term "Jew" did not even appear until the southern kingdom of Judah was taken captive of Babylon. Jew is an abbreviated slang term for Judahite, a resident of the southern kingdom of Judah.

    If you refer to those in the Judaism Abrahamic ethnic religion they do not accept Jesus as the Messiah who came 2000 years ago. The New Testament is not relevant to them.

    But the Jew pronounced in Romans 2: 28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Those Jews do cherish the New Testament.

  • S Spencer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 28

    Romans 2:28-29. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Galatians 3:26-29. For ye are all the CHILDREN OF GOD BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS.

    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED, and heirs according to the promise.

    God bless
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 1:1
    Sister Martha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Israel in the Old Testament was dispersed among all the nation of the world. Judea was left so Jesus lineage could be confirmed to be the natural seed of David. Today none can trace their lineage back to Abraham. ISRAEL today (those born again of the Spirit of God) is the promised SEED of Isaac (his name was changed to Israel) (CHRIST IN US).

    Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one INWARDLY (Christ in you); and circumcision is of the HEART, in the Spirit, and not in the letter (flesh) .....

    Romans 9:6 ...for they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

    The kingdom promised to ISRAEL (CHRIST) is not a literal kingdom that can be seen with eyes; but a kingdom of priest (Christ in you). These battles prophesied in scripture are not literal but in the Spirit.

    Jesus said before he comes there would be literal wars, literal earthquakes, literal famines and literal pestilence. This has been happening for 2000 years and Jesus has been COMING to those who look for him 2000 years. Jesus said that it would be like the days of Noah. They knew not till the doors on the ark were CLOSED. The ark could have saved them; Jesus is our ark. Man is looking for all things to be literal and all of a sudden DESTRUCTION (you die; the grave is your reward, the doors to the ark are closed). Most will miss Christ coming; because they are looking for something literal, when the BATTLE and BIRTH are SPIRIT. There will continue literal wars, literal earthquakes, literal famines and literal pestilence until the age we are in ENDS and the next age BEGINS.

    Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was ONCE (Christ ministered in the flesh) offered to bear the sins of many; and unto those WHO LOOK FOR HIM he shall appear the SECOND TIME (IN THE SPIRIT) without sin UNTO SALVATION.

    I come like a thief in the night; if you would have seen the thief, he would not have DESTROYED you house.
  • Michael - in Reply on Psalms 70
    Can a Christian lose his salvation?

    Well, does man have free will to chose to love God and obey him or does God control us to the point where we can't do otherwise?

    Did Adam have a choice? Yes. He chose badly and paid the consequences.

    Did Noah have a choice? Well, he could have joined the others and would have died in the flood.

    Did the ancient nation of Israel have a choice? Well, at times they chose to obey and were blessed. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, they chose to disobey and paid by destruction from Babylon and then Rome.

    Christians have a choice to obey or not. God can help us, but he will not make us obey automatically. That is why we have so many warnings given throughout the New Testament by the Apostles to Christians in the Church.

    Galatians 6:7-8 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if WE sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Paul includes himself in that statement. If WE sin willfully...

    Romans 2:6-8 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,"

  • Chrissie B - in Reply on Ecclesiastes 1:9
    Why wouldn't God call women to preach? God shows no partiality ( Romans 2:11) and can use anybody to do His will ( 1 Corinthians 1:27). Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Isaiah's wife, and Anna were given the authority to speak to the people on the behalf of God and thus preached the Word of God. Go back and read Romans 16:1-15 about the 10 women who where in ministry who held leadership positions.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Psalms 1
    Brother Stan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. Most of the Psalms are prophecies pointing to the NEW COVENANT. Christ already knows the END. He knows because HE SPOKE THE WORDS before the foundation of the world. They are coming to fruition at HIS APPOINTED TIME. (his works)

    Ecclesiastes 3:1-9

    Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do ENTER INTO (SABBATH) REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY (SABBATH) REST: although THE (his) WORKS were FINISHED from the foundations of the world. Christ has been RESTING since those first six days; you are defiling the SABBATH if you are not also resting (IN CHRIST'S WORKS): THE WORKS ARE DONE (COMPLETE).

    Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor setteth in the seat of the scornful.

    Christ is declaring kis WORKS that the death and resurrection of HIMSELF will bring to mankind. At his APPOINTED TIME in each of us. HIS WORKS!

    Proverbs 16:6 BY MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged.....(his works)

    Romans 2:4...not knowing that THE GOODNESS of God leadeth thee to REPENTANCE? (his works)

    Isaiah 27:12 And it shall COME TO PASS in that day (NEW COVENANT) (day of the Lord)... ye shall be gathered ONE by ONE (appointed time)...(his works)

    Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the tabernacle (temple) of God is with men...CHRIST IN YOU (his works)

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that YE are the temple of God (new heaven), and that the SPIRIT of God DWELLETH IN YOU. (his works)

    Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein (new Jerusalem), for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE THE TEMPLE OF IT (CHRIST IN US). Accomplished at the NEW COVENANT. Death and resurrection of Christ. New heaven (NEW dwelling place of God) and new earth (new body; no longer dust, but THE GLORY OF GOD)! (his works)
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 5
    Hello Temeko, the book of Romans was written to the Romans, who are Gentiles. Paul, of course, was an Isrealite from the Tribe of Benjamin. The Gentiles were not given the Laws, Statutes and Commandments ( Romans 2:14) Only Isreal. Paul was explaining that the Law alone will not get you into the Kingdom, but by Grace and truth ( John 1:17). Most people don't understand what truth is because we have been taught not to read the Old Testement, but the truth is none other than the Laws of God ( Psalm 119:142), except animal sacrafice, which is the only law that was fullfilled on the Cross because Christ was the Perfect Sacrafice. We are commanded to keep the Laws that were given in the Torah ( Romans 3:31). Believe me, many will totally disagree, i guess they think Christ died on the cross so we can be Lawless but what will we be judged by in the Book of Revelations? We will be judged by our works!! (Revelations 20:13). Shalom!
  • Johnny Williams - in Reply on Ephesians 2
    2 Timothy 3:16-17 KLV

    All scripture is to be used since it is inspired of God.

    We gather all scripture about subject so we can can fully understand.

    Romans 2:7

    King James Version

    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

    This verse clearly tell us we seek salvation by "patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:".

    This verse plainly destroys the lie of once saved always saved.

    Hebrews 3: 12-14

    12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

    We can loose our salvation

    13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

    If our hearts are hardened by sin how can we be saved

    14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    We can be saved IF "we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

    There are of course other scriptures which totally deny the lie once saved always saved.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on James 1
    Hello Jesse,

    Please forgive me as I don't want to get in between the discussion of you & Adam. Though I feel to write my perception on this matter. As I believe it is important to us all.

    To begin I don't feel what you stated about the two Greek words for "good", meaning one is of God and the other of men, is completely accurate. First I would say everything good is of God weather the person knows God literally or not. As Love is of God and those who abide in love are of Him to 1 John 4:7. Now weather that person has been drawn to the light, Jesus Christ, yet is up to God. Also stated in Romans 2:12-15 about how those who do what is right or "good", even though they have not heard the law, shows Gods law written on their hearts. They being obedient to God and not even knowing it.

    Back to the word "good" in the Greek. The two words you gave are the two words used the most for "good" in the NT. G18 and G2570. Though they are not the only words used for simply put "good". We have "cherestotes-G5544", "eudokia-G2107', and "eupoiia-G2140" for a couple others. Showing in Hebrews 13:16 that just because it's not the word "agoth.." doesn't mean God isn't pleased with it.

    Also how in a couple instances like 1 Timothy 6:18, and 1 Timothy 5:10. the words "agoth.." and "kalos" are both used in the same verse.

    Now of coarse what you stated in that if someone seems to be trying to "earn" there way into Heaven, by good works, hopefully they will find out there is only one way and that is Jesus Christ. We have all fallen short in our lives. Thanks be to the Grace of our Father in Heaven He sent us His Son. To now focus on Him and let Him lead the way for us. We need Jesus Christ our Lord just as we need our Father in Heaven.

    God Bless you Jesse. Please don't let my message come to you the wrong way. It is from the heart.
  • Last part of brethren verse inspirations on the Grace Of God - in Reply on Acts 1
    "The goodness of God leads to repentance" Romans 2:4

    "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" Matthew 1:21

    4 parts total of these Grace of God verse inspirations by some of my brethren.
  • Part 3 some scriptures concerning the Grace of God - in Reply on Acts 1
    "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears" Luke 4:21

    "Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts" Hebrew 4:7

    "Behold, now is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation" 2 Corinthians 6:2

    "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation." Hebrews 2:3

    "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you" 2 Corinthians 9:8

    "The goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance" Romans 2:4

    "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone" Ephesians 2:19-20

    "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that these ye might be partakers of the divine nature" 2Peter 1:4

    "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works" Titus 2:11-14

    "the spirit of grace and supplications" Zechariah 12:10

    "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing" Romans 7:18

    "But by the grace of God I am what I am" 1 Corinthians 15:10

    "This is the true grace of God wherein ye stand" 1Peter 5:12

    "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life" Revelation 2:10

    "He that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" Matthew 24:13

    "See that ye abound in this grace" 2 Corinthians 8:7

    "Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" 2Peter 3:18

    "For God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble." 1 Peter 5:5
  • Alan Banks - in Reply on Romans 5
    Jesus said not to judge in several places:

    Luke 6 37

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

    Romans 2:1 |

    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    Romans 14:13 |

    Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

    James 4:12 |

    There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
  • Earl Bowman on Mark 1

    Mark 1:14-15 Now after John was put into prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom of God.

    (vs 15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye and believe the GOSPEL.

    Repentance is not the GOSPEL.

    Psalms 52:1 Why BOASTEST thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man; the goodness of God endureth continually.

    Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his GOODNESS and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS of GOD leads to repentance.

    Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you.


    Colossians 1:27 ..... which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.

    You are baptised (not by physical water; but with living water) INTO CHRIST!

    The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire Matthew 3:11

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Genesis 17
    Hello Judy,

    Just to add a couple verses to what Mishael posted for you about the real circumcision being of the heart. Not the flesh.

    Romans 2: 25-29 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

    26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

    27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

    28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 17
    Judy, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.

    Were women commanded to be circumcised in the old testament? Are you cut off from God for not being circumcised?

    Romans 2:28-29 For he (or she) is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outwardly in the flesh:

    (vs 29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; an circumcision that is of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

    Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    It's Christ in you, the new birth, that is the true circumcision.
  • Richard in Christ on Acts 3
    Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

    Ezekiel 33:11-20

    ( Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Matthew 12:35-36 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

    36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    Matthew 13:37-43

    ( John 5:26-29

    ( Romans 2:2-11

    ( Romans 6:1-2

    ( Romans 6:15-23

    ( James 2:14-20

    ( 1 Peter 4:16-19

    ( 2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 1
    That is one of the oldest questions asked concerning eternity, aside from the pre-existence of God. Both non-Christians & those claiming Christian faith have wondered about "good people consigned to Hell" & humanly speaking, we really can't believe that a Holy, Righteous God would do such a thing. But the Scriptures are clear.

    What we term a 'good person' is based on our understanding of 'goodness', i.e. one well behaved, conforms to society's norms & requirements, has a careful, considered disposition, rendering help to others & not given to 'major sins'. And yet, will all that 'goodness', God still manages to find fault with him. Is God unfair or judging us too harshly? From our viewpoint, we might think so, but from God's viewpoint (& from the Word), He assesses us correctly.

    If "all have sinned & come short of the glory of God (or, God's standards)" ( Romans 3:23), God takes into account that evidence of sin, however minute in substance, as that which infects & affects the whole ("a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" 1 Corinthians 5:6). Just as the addition of a little leaven (yeast) causes fermentation & expansion of dough that affects the whole bread, so to does the smallest of sins (white lies, pride, bitterness, false accusation, anger, etc.) spoils the whole person making him a sinner: he's not a person who slips up in some sin but still essentially good, but a person who because of sin is essentially bad but show traits of goodness at times. But even with all his 'goodness', can he present himself as acceptable to God? Never to a holy God.

    Romans 2:11-16 explains why a person never hearing about God or the Gospel through His Son, still remains condemned. In advanced civilizations, the Law alerts a person to his errors & sins. Amongst hidden tribes, their tribal Law applies, & where that law doesn't deal with sin, man is naturally alerted in his heart to wrong doing, their conscience bearing them witness. No chance without the Gospel reaching them.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 4
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    Romans 2:14,15 clearly show that the Law was never in our possession & we've never been subject to them. And then when the Gentiles became believers, the only instruction given was, not that any of the commandments given to the Jews be followed, but as per Acts 15:19,20: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

    Rather, our directive can never be from the Law given to Israel, because "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." ( Romans 8:2). If the Life-giving Spirit freed a Jewish Paul from the bondage of the Law, how much more to us Gentiles, who never received the Law, are only subject to the Spirit's directions in our lives.

    Again, thank you for bringing up those very worthy points.
  • D W L on Revelation 21
    Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (verse 7 Jesus said)- Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.

    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.(Not because he is a Jew)

    Galations 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Pat, if I may direct you to Romans 2:12-16:

    "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

    Here we see the Apostle Paul's teaching on those who have sinned "in the Law" (i.e. the Jews who were given God's Law to abide by & to judge themselves as those who failed in keeping the Law perfectly), and those who 'perish' (note: not 'sinned', since sin is effected, accountable & punishable by God by the giving of a Law, Romans 3:20) without having received the Law.

    So to the Jew who remains under the burden of the Law & not in receipt of God's Grace in Christ, they will be judged by the Law, & they will fail, for none could ever keep the Law perfectly ( Galatians 2:21b:"for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.").To the Gentile (non-Jew) who in days past never received or even heard of God's Laws & therefore never subject to its conditions, Paul says that these may not have the written Law in stone/parchment, but by nature perform the Law as written upon their hearts; it's now their conscience that accuses them of doing wrong or excuses their sins, that God sees & thus judges. Certainly not like getting God's Commands directly, but when both Jew & Gentile have to stand before God, the judgement meted to them will be based on the Law whether given directly or written in their hearts/consciences.

    And that's why the Gospel is so important: it is salvation to all.
  • Chris - in Reply on Philippians 3
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    f. Jesus' time of suffering & death came, but also His glorious resurrection, that through this Divine Act of God to redeem ALL men to Himself, both Jew & Gentile would now be acceptable to Him through faith in the efficacy of the shed Blood. Was the Sabbath & the Law still current for the Jew? As long as they lived according to the requirements of the Law, they had to abide by it & were judged by it; if they failed in one part of the given Law, they had failed in all ( Galatians 5:3, Romans 2:13, James 2:10). When the Jew put aside the Law as necessary for salvation, then the application of the Cross became real: that which was based on faith & promise, & not on the letter that only served to reveal him his sin & to draw him to Christ ( Galatians 3:24).

    g. So why then is the keeping of the Sabbath still necessary? For the Jew without Christ, it remains a day of rest, as an act of obedience to God, & using that occasion for religious exercises. For the Jew & Gentile who is now "in Christ", the Sabbath, as all other Laws, have no binding, other than the importance of setting a Rest Day aside from our labours, & the Laws that reveal God's Mind & Purpose for both religious & social responsibility. If one, whether Jew, Gentile or Christian, chose to keep any of the Laws, including Sabbath, then they were bound to keep it & the whole Law - there's no option to pick & choose. And by keeping the Law to justify ourselves before God, even one Law, then precludes us from the Grace of God through Christ, because that is diametrically opposed to the meaning of the Law ( Galatians 5:4).
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 16:27
    I don't believe that the "works" in Matthew 16:27 is mentioned by Jesus in respect to salvation. He speaks of rewards according to what "every man has done". Also, Romans 2:6. The Matthew verse could speak of the righteous who receive reward for their deeds, or to the unrighteousness, who receive nothing because their deeds were evil, coming from the darkness of their hearts ( John 3:19,20).

    And then in the New Testament economy, post Cross, where salvation is granted to the sinner because of God's Grace through our faith in Christ's Work ( Ephesians 2:8-10), we're reminded that no "works" can enter into this Divine arrangement as that would negate "grace". And 'works' was primarily the obedience & dependence on the given Law of God, which could only show man's failure before God & inability to justify himself. But 'works' would include those other things that those outside the purview of the Cross, could try to use to establish his favour with God.

    And then we come to the Epistle of James, which the RCs use to justify their belief & position: James 2:14-18. They maintain that both 'faith & works' are necessary for salvation, rather "for further justification". This was the point that Martin Luther, at the Reformation, opposed the RC Church on: he maintained that the believer is fully saved & justified at the moment of salvation & it's not a progressive justification, to which the RC Church stated: that justification cannot be a once only immediate act of God, but that through the Christian's walk (i.e. in a life of producing works worthy of his salvation), the believer is increasingly justified by God. If this were so, then justification comes by faith & works.

    Rather, James tells us that 'works' naturally follow a true salvation, without which it proves a defective salvation. James does not hint at all that there is an on-going work of justification by 'works', rather that justification is a declaration by God of the sinner as being no longer guilty before Him.

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