Discuss Romans 14

  • Adam - 1 month ago
    Wondering what others believe about this verse about everything God created being "good"- Some use this to say it's morally ok for them to do drugs like weed, cocaine, mushrooms, meth?

    "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" 1 Timothy 4:4 KJV. Also Genesis 1:31, Romans 14:14, Acts 11:7-9

    At what point do we believe something is no longer God's creation, but a man-made creation, like a drug made in a lab? And how do we balance that with harming the body? "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" 1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV

    Thank you.
  • Momsage - 3 months ago
    Christianlady7

    Some have said, since Jesus is our rest we don't need the 4th commandment and yet, do we "rest" in Jesus at all? Those who believe we not longer need to honor this commandment say the Early Church stopped worshiping on the Sabbath and changed to the first day of the week after the death and resurrection of Christ. These are the two scriptures they usually refer to as showing this.

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (Paul is just asking the church to gather donations on the first day of each week for when he comes, it doesn't in any way point to them having to be in church to do this just because he asked them to on the first day of the week)

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Modern day churches don't always have fellowship and worship on Sunday. They do it on any day if it's something they want to do, a service besides their normal church on Sunday. So on this Sunday the church just got together to listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. Nothing is said that this is a regular church service for them.)

    There are historical quotes that indicate that the Early Church continued to honor the Sabbath until about 100AD when ravening wolves entered in and things kind of got into a mess so Emperor Constantine, at the Laodician Council in 345AD, made it a law that the day of worship was Sunday the first day of the week. By then the wolves were in charge of the church, it was no longer God's, and pretty much went along with it and that's why people do it today. (Except me.:) Here are some of the quotes:
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    Study on Sabbath day

    Acts 20:7 makes clear that gathering of the saints occurred on the first day of the week to bolster the collection made according to 1 Corinthians 16:2. The prescident is really from the fact that Christ fulfilled Pentacost which was the 8th day of the week (or Sunday) in the O.T. times was celebrated 50 days after the Passover.

    Since we are not to have certain days to be held above others as Romans 14:5-6 indicates; we have no right to dictate either Saturday or Sunday for worship as I see it. Again; the Old Testament command was for Israel specifically as anyone in the land who disrespected the Sabbath was severely punished (see Deuteronomy 5:14). Other laws in the Old Testament such as marriage were clearly upheld even with pagan societies (as we see with the case of John the Baptist when he was imprisoned for contesting with the marriage status of a secular leader married to his brother's wife). Murder was evident with Cain well before the law came out. The fact is that Saturday worship can no longer be as it was without the sacrifices and other ordinances of the O.T. times which have been gone since the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Christ is our Passover now ( 1 Corinthians 5:7) and the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ( Matthew 12:8).

    We also need to consider what Paul stated to those who were coming from pagan societies. He said in Acts 15:29 to avoid eating blood; or strangled animals (often done in pagan rituals) as well as sexual immorality. If Saturday worship was required you would expect something would be mentioned as all other things in the Commandments which are throughout the New Testament in the Gospels and Epistles.

    There are further concerns with Adventist doctrines and Ellen White which I am not going to get into detail here; but this often is an added reason for this and other issues of contention. I agree that the edict of Milan enforcing Sunday worship is wrong also.
  • Momsage - 3 months ago
    To disregard this sure and steadfast commandment that God intended for our good pleasure is so sad. All of the other commandments are to be obeyed so we will live the holy life God intends for us to live to gain Heaven, but the 4th commandment is for our physical, emotional and spiritual good. It is a gift we try to give back to God and say "no thanks," however, it is also a commandment and God said if we love Him we will obey His commandments because they do not cause us to be burdened. 1 John: 5:3 and Luke 6: 13-14

    Nothing in these verses below tells us to replace the Sabbath with the beautiful rest of Jesus. We are steadfastly in His rest as long as we are true believers.

    Matthew 11:28-29 "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."

    Acts 2:26 "Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope."

    Thessalonians 1:6-7 "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels."

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (Paul is just asking the church to gather donations on the first day of each week for when he comes, it doesn't in any way point to them having to be in church to do this.)

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? This verse is just speaking of believers gathering on a Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)
  • Momsage - 3 months ago
    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, t

    Romans 14:5 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."(Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day. It doesn't interpret as abolishing their regular worshiping on the Sabbath.)

    Collisians 2:14 & 16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days." (This judgment is speaking of situations on the sabbath as when David fed his men shewbread that was only to be eaten by the Jewish Priests on the Sabbath. 1 Samuel 21:1-6, Christ feeding His disciples from the cornfield on a Sabbath. Matthew 1:21 and pulling an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath. Luke 14:5; if there are things that needed to be done out of necessity on the Sabbath, you should not let men judge you for doing that.)

    I don't know how any of the verses I noted can be interpreted as showing that the early church willingly changed it's weekly worship and fellowship from the sabbath to the first day of the week. As I presented, there is historical proof that they didn't. As the "ravening wolves in sheep clothing" ( Matthew 7:15) began to creep into the church, a change was eventually made to abolish the sabbath and worship and refrain form labor on Sunday. Constantine and the Catholic Church mainly changed it and the world followed.

    God Bless :)
  • Momsage - 3 months ago
    PART 6

    OTHER VERSES OF IMPORTANCE:

    1 Corinthians 16:" Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." This can't be the Sabbath, Paul is asking them to do work.

    Romans 14:5 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Question? Does your church only meet on Sunday to fellowship and hear preaching and teaching? Is Sunday the only day of the week you might hear preaching from the minister? This verse just tells of believers gathering on Sunday to fellowship and listen to Paul preach because he had to leave the next day which was the Sabbath.

    ( Col. 2:14 & 16 God." Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES (my caps) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or the new moon or of the sabbath days: In the 10 Commandments of God there is only 1 day that God commanded us to keep hollowed out for Him for our good; the sabbath. There were other sabbath days during festivals that were not all on Saturday but were kept during the festivals that were a week or longer. These were sabbath dayS. The statues and ordinances in Moses' laws is what this verse is talking about but, not the commandment, if you don't agree with me and believe it is talking about the last day of the week, let me give you an example of this verse's meaning: A friend calls you on a Saturday and says he needs your help right away moving some things out of a garage he was storing them in because the person who owns the garage said if he doesn't do it immediately they were going to haul it all of to the dump. So you help your friend move his things. A lot of work, that took some time.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hello, Adam,

    I can share a little on this. Chapter 6 deals with the morality of the gospel. The first four verses are probably the ones in question.

    Verses 1-3 deal with the prosecution of believers. Paul also gives an admonition.

    1 Corinthians 6:4 is the instruction. He says, If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.



    This Greek word Exoutheneo has to do with the same word that we see in Romans 14:1 about let the older brother not despise the younger, or make light of.



    This is a person that people don't take too seriously. And I think it's interesting that Paul is saying this on purpose because it's not a matter of picking out people in your midst who have all the education and experience, and to judge these matters because obviously they can't do it impartially. Take the person that God can use!



    So he says to take the person that's least esteemed in the church. Of course that might not glorify you if someone comes up to you and says "that's you!"

    We see the condition in Verse 7. Now therefore there is utterly a fault, and this is literally the word failure, among you, because you go to law one with another. Why do you not rather take the wrong? Why do you not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

    And then in Verse 8, it says no, but you do the wrong, and you defraud, and that to your brothers.



    He's talking about Christians doing this to each other, not from the outside, but to each other. Christians are doing wrong in justice. They are defrauding. They're cheating their brother.



    And so the brother who is wronged, he files a legal action against his brother. With all the educated and all the well to do people in the congregation, everybody has their sides you see. You can't find too many people that are impartial.

    I need a part 2.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Hello, Shabbat Keeper.

    My understanding of the Sabbath commandment is to rest on the 7th day, but not a commandment to go to church. So going to

    Sunday worship services is perfectly permissible but not mandatory. And the Sabbath rest for believer is in Christ Jesus-

    Heb. 4:3-rather than a specific day of the week. The commandment is a shadow of what was to come in Christ. We rest

    everyday in Him because we do not work for our salvation in any way. He did the work of salvation for us. It is still good practice

    to have times of rest during the week, whether a day or specific times of each day.

    If you wish to keep the Sabbath as was proscribed by the OT law, you are free to do so. And if one keeps every day the same,

    that is permissible according to Romans 14:5.
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 5 months ago
    I would recommend reading Romans 14:5. If you feel "convicted" go with your convictions.
  • Rainwalker - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Romans 14:5.. One man esteems one day above another; another esteems everyday alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.... I for one feel it is in a sense, lending "credibility" to the catholic powers that be, the "holidays" as it were, were implemented by them, either directly or indirectly. As for me, I try to esteem those days with lower regard for that reason.
  • S Spencer - 6 months ago
    The most penetrating and devastating definition of sin that I am aware of in Scripture is the last part of Romans 14:23: "Whatever is not from faith is sin." The reason it is penetrating is that it goes to the root of all sinful actions and attitudes, namely, the failure to trust God.

    If we are not perfect in this, we are sinful.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Sister GiGi:

    Is anger a sin?

    Did Christ every get angry.

    John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them out of the temple ......

    Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry ......

    Romans 14:23 whatsoever is not of faith (of Christ) is sin .....

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even dividing the body and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and INTENTS of the HEART.

    Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I GIVE YOU, and NEW SPIRIT will I PUT IN YOU ....

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE you to walk in my statutes (maybe become angry) amd keep my judgements (words) and DO THEM.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Giannis - 7 months ago
    Romans 14:9,

    "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."

    How could Christ be Lord of the dead if the soul is not alive but dies together with the flesh?

    Compare the above with Luke 20:38,

    "For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."

    So really there is not any dead man since their soul is living "unto Him".
  • Jesse - In Reply - 7 months ago
    GiGi,

    I completely agree with what you are saying here, Amen! As long as we are in this fleshly body, we cannot be completely free from sin. And what about the sins we don't even realize we are committing? What does it mean in Romans 14:23, that little phrase which reads, "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

    Once we become aware of what that phrase truly means, we then realize how difficult (and dare I say impossible) it is to be completely sin free. Personally, I find it to be a struggle at the end of the day to confess to the Lord that I went the entire day without sin.

    Blessings!
  • Daruled - 7 months ago
    Ok, so I see I stirred up a "hornet's nest", and that's a good thing! Like acid, deadly by itself yet when it's used in the right mixture it becomes a catalyst, a necessary agent for change.

    Universalism! It's TRUTH. I'll do a quick overview to try to explain it. God will one day SAVE all His creatures, even the demons. Why you ask, actually why is easy because He is God and God is GOOD! How, is the more pertinent question. I'll start off by using the same scripture God opened my eyes with, Isaiah 45:23, and confirmed again in Romans 14:11. God has NEVER said a frivolous thing, ever! And if a person came up to us and said,"I have bowed my knee to God and confessed to Christ!" We, as messengers of truth would have to say, "Amen, welcome brother/sister!" The Key is Truthfulness, if this is done in Truth then it is done and has been done since The Cross of Christ. Therefore, we Understand that God said that He will bring it about, thus, if He brings it about then we can be SURE that it was done in TRUTH.

    I'll try to answer as many questions as possible, the first was from Bro Dan and an astute point was made, namely, " Most will be to late, as it will be after they are dead, and standing before Jesus on Judgement Day." To this I point to, Psalms 139:7-12 and Romans 8:35-39. Proof that Nothing can stand in the way of God Almighty! I'll reveal another revelation that refutes the doctrine of demons, hell is NOT Eternal! Revelation 20:13-14 confirms this and we can see that those in hell will be Called before The White Throne of Judgment. This is important because we go there to see if our name is in The Lamb's Book of Life, the FACT that people that were in hell are there is Awesome because do you know who won't be there? Revelation 20:10-13. Notice how these are cast into the lake of fire BEFORE we are go to The Great White Throne. Can you see who else will not be there because they are Already judged? Revelation 19:20, them that receive the mark of the beast.
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Jim Miller

    "In regards to Romans 14:11, here is the rule of reading scripture. Any verse in scripture must be interpreted within the context of the chapter wherein it is found, and the chapter wherein the book it is found, and that entire book within the scope of the entire bible.

    Cherry-picking a single verse or a few verses from the Bible to support a theological theory or argument while ignoring the broader context of the scripture is often referred to as "proof-texting" or "proof-texting fallacy." This practice can be misleading because it doesn't take into account the full context, historical background, and intended meaning of the verses being cited. It can lead to a DISTORTION of the Bible's message and can be used to support almost any viewpoint when taken out of context. Responsible biblical interpretation involves considering the entirety of a passage, as well as the overall teachings and themes of the Bible, to arrive at a more accurate understanding of its theological implications."
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Daruled,

    God is a loving God and does not want anyone to perish, but He is also a just God. In Romans 14, I say this in love, we should consider the context. Would not Universalism possibly do what Paul is teaching against? My understanding of Romans 14:11 is this will be at the judgment, every tongue will confess, whether it be good or bad, and the results will be eternal life or damnation, not all will be saved.

    My understanding is these verses do not mean there will not be some who will not bow and accept Jesus's authority. Just a couple of verses and if all will be saved how do we understand this?

    Matthew 25:40-41 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Daruled - 7 months ago
    Ok, I would like to begin a conversation, I'm a Universalist; that is, I Believe that God will Save Everyone including demons. It all began when I understood Romans 14:11 KJV. If anyone has any questions I would love to explain.
  • Oseas - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 5 - 8 months ago
    Dgjot

    About your question:Matt.7:1-2 and Luke 6:36-37

    In my view,the preaching of the Gospel of GOD's Kingdom was beginning to be announced by JESUS,followed by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord,not to judge,but so that those who believed would be saved by knowing the Way,the Truth,and the Life.

    As for"Judge not lest ye be judged",Paul Apostle explains it better than I do: Romans 14:1-12

    1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye,but not to doubtful disputations.

    2For one believeth that he may eat all things:another,who is weak,eateth herbs.

    3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not;and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth:for God hath received him.

    4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant?to his own master he standeth or falleth.Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.

    5 One man esteems one day above another:another esteems every day alike.Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks;and he that eateth not,to the Lord he eateth not,and giveth God thanks.

    7For none of us liveth to himself,and no man dieth to himself.

    8For whether we live,we live unto the Lord;and whether we die,we die unto the Lord:whether we live therefore,or die,we are the Lord's.

    9For to this end Christ both died,and rose,and revived,that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

    10But why dost thou judge thy brother?or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?for we shall all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

    11For it is written,As I live,saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,and every tongue shall confess to God

    12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God

    But now,in the current time of Apocalypse,Judgment is given to the saints of the most High;the saints will possess the Kingdom( Revelation 11:15-18
  • Bro dan - 8 months ago
    The problems of the U.S. and the entire world are not political, I believe they are spiritual. Unless genuine repentance occurs, the disastrous decline will in all likelihood continue.

    Romans 14:11 "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

    Praying for Thy Kingdom to come!
  • Jesse - 8 months ago
    INTRODUCTION TO ROMANS (Part 11):

    X. THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CHRISTIAN LIFE ( Romans 12:1 - 16:24)

    The first one is instruction, the doctrine of transformation in Romans 12. This is our participation in the body of Christ.

    In Romans Chapter 13, we have institution, the doctrine of submission. This is our participation with the system of the world and submission.

    Then we have influence, the doctrine of sacrifice. This would be Romans 14:1 through 15:13, as we learn about our participation in the responsibility toward other believers. Uh Oh! That is the doctrine of sacrifice. It is not taught as a suggestion!

    Next is identification, the doctrine of the providence of God. This is Romans 15 Verses 14 through 33 which is the participation in the will of God in all of our situations.

    And then the interaction, the doctrine of fellowship which is Romans 16 Verses 1 to 24. Romans 16:1 to 16 are personal greetings, Verses 17 to are proper discipline. In other words, once we get to Romans 16 Verses 17 to 20, he's going to say that if you are in association with anyone that is not obeying and teaching the proper doctrine of the book of Romans, don't have anything to do with them.

    That's a pretty serious thing to say, especially in our day and our culture when love is supposed to rule over truth. You know? We don't hold anybody to the truth, we got to love them! Paul says, "Well, I got some discipline for you.

    In Romans 16:21 to 24, we have the people that were with Paul. They identify themselves.

    Interaction - The Doctrine of Fellowship ( Romans 16:1-24)

    Romans 16:1-16 - Personal Greetings

    Romans 16:17-20 - Proper Discipline

    Romans 16:21-24 - People with Paul
  • Alex7 - In Reply - 10 months ago
    The law was given by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Christ Jesus..... John 1:17

    ......The law and the Prophets were until John since that time the Kingdom of God is preached and all men press into it Luke 16:16

    There was no baptism of the H.G. till Christ came....Thus no new birth till Christ came.....No new Creature till Christ came....The H.G. was not given till Christ was glorified.....Thus no kingdom or real Salvation from Sin....till the woman births the manchild...... Rev. 12:10....Simply b/c the book of life was sealed with 7 seals.....Jesus wrote this book of life with his own blood at Calvary.....The O.T. answers to the 1st wine the law.....But the N.T. answers to the 2 nd wine which was the best wine.....The gift of the H.G. the Kingdom that is gonna rule all nations .....The wedding was not till the 3 rd Day which is the last day when Jesus turned the water into wine....

    .......The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in Joy and Peace in the H.G. Romans 14:17.....The REAL H.G. is the Kingdom of God.

    .......But the O.T. was a shadow of things to come.....Just as Abraham Isaac and Jacob were multiplied as the sands of the seas so the heavenly Godhead will be multiplied as the stars of heaven.....Thus there will be an Israel of God as the stars of heaven....The seed of Christ will produce a heavenly ppl that are gona be born in us.....Which answers to our new hearts and new spirits.....The H.G. The Children of Promise.....Flesh and blood are not the real Children of God ....Its only the Children of Promise that are counted for the good seed Roman 9:8 kjv.....Which are Spirits the H.G. Plural...I will pour out of my Spirit on all flesh....Thus the sower and his seed, his words as my words are SPIRIT and Life.....The field is the world...But this New Covenant is gonna make us Gods.....To whom the word came ( the living word) it made them Gods and the scriptures.....Thats y the Prophets were saying what manner of love has the father bestowed on us.
  • Chris - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Page 2.

    Even in Jeremiah 31:33,34, God hasn't cleansed them yet & "remembered their sin no more". That is still future Israel turns to the Lord & the sins of the past are indeed forgiven & forgotten, as He graciously deals with us today.

    For the greater part of your pages 2 & 3, I'm unsure why you presented that with what we're discussing, so unsure how to deal with it. Was it primarily about considering what the original languages & their meanings/applications are to the Scriptures? That is, going deep into the Word or hearing from the Spirit?

    And yes, Romans 14:23 is a great definition of what sin is, which of course would need examination to learn how the working of one's faith in relation to sin brings about either victory or defeat. And I would add, it is both the working of faith & of the Spirit that the believer engages with when confronted with sin; without the Spirit's Power defeat is certain. GBU
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gi-Gi Gbu...love ya....But all the explaining in the world cannot change the scriptures....Rev.11:15...The kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...There is no scripture that can change this...And many more that tells us His kingdom is gona be right here on this earth...

    .....And you said that this earth is too sinful for his kingdom to be here ...But you are not realizing what Jesus said....In John 16:8 kjv..When he the Spirit of truth is come ( the H.G. the manchild the kingdom ) he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all Nations....All Nations is indicative of this beautiful earth...

    .....There is nothing wrong with this beautiful Earth that the blood of the lamb did not fix...@ Calvary...A new heart and a new spirit is all mankind needs...As being born again of his incorruptible seed ... Isaiah 62 :22kjv ...As the New heaven and the New earth shall remain so shall your SEED and NAME remain...Which is the seed of the sower that is gona form Christ in us, The H.G. his name sake the Kingdom....Which is our New heart and New spirit...Gi-Gi Always remember God so loved the world ( humanity) that he gave his only begotten son....And the gift of the H.G....The Promise is that Kingdom as the Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace and righteousness in the H.G. Romans 14:17 kjv

    ....Gi-Gi stay away from other bibles like the NSAB, OR Concordences and Church comentaries They can make the bible say anything....Thats y there are a approx. 20,000 different Churches and religions on every corner....They all have their big Concordences but none of them believe the same....The scriptures plainly tells the Anointing you have received of him ...will teach you all things...You need no man teach you 1 st John 2:27 kjv only
  • Pierre1939 - 1 year ago
    I disagree that we will meet him in the air ..Its the H.G. that is spirit the gift of God where we will meet him...As the H.G. is the very Kingdom of God... Romans 14:17....The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G.

    .....Air is just symbolic language for the spirit the H.G. THE KINGDOM...Clouds are just symbolic language for folks that have the living water the gift of God the H.G....That latter rain doctrine

    We will meet him in his kingdom the new birth of Christ in us....Thats y he is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The woman that birth the manchild was caught up to God and to his throne but she was still on the earth....As Rev 12:10 tells now is come salvation and the power of his christ and the Kingdom of our God ....But plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild that is gonna rule all nations.

    The kingdom comes to us via his good seed right here on this earth....As Rev.11:15 says the Kingdoms of this WORLD have become the Kingdoms of OUR LORD and his CHRIST And he shall reign for ever and ever...This 1 lil scripture makes void any any kind of a physical literal rapture....The kingdoms of THIS WORLD have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...ty Jesus....THIS WORLD....Not in literal clouds which is just symbolic language....Not here nor there but with in you...Abide in me and i in you....If any man hears my words and keep them my Father and I will COME and take our abode with him...Holy Holy Holy the whole earth is full of his GLory Isaiah 6:3....Thus there is no physical or literal rapture its just symbolic language...As God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth for the father seeketh such to worship him...Thy Kingdom come thy will be done is right here on this earth...As Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown..n our hearts
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    STU I hear ya...Thats y Jesus was born for us sinners....He is our savior....Jesus is exactly what we sinners need...That New Heart and New spirit...A new innerman...The H.G....Thats y he said if i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...And that great Promise was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y the sower of that good seed wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts..That we might birth a baby Christ the H.G..That Child of Promise...That we might be bornagain of his incorruptible seed which is that living word....Making humanity incorruptible..Resulting in an Israel of God which are spirits that are gonna be born in us sinners via his seed....Thats y he has to know us...Thats y they refer to Jesus as the bridegroom he wants to sow his seed in our hearts...Thus there is a baby christ in our future...Which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....And in Rev 12 :10 the Kingdom comes after the woman births the manchild which is the H.G the Kingdom...The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G. Romans 14:17...Thats y Jesus was saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The reason we refer to the H.G. as the Promise is B/C the H.G. is the multiplication of JESUS IN US SINNERS VIA HIS PRECIOUS SEED the word....That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven in us sinners via his seed ....God so loved the world implying humanity...And God was so passionate about this Promise of multiplication that he swore by his very self....in Hebrews 6:13...Thats y Jesus was saying to whom the word came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken...Thus we will be married to God making us 1 with God.... Isaiah 62:5...As a young man marries a virgin so shall thy God rejoice over you...ok Gbu
  • Sixten Alin - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Do not be like the preterists, who do not believe in God and his report but turn to themselves and the truth to fables. God has declared the beginning of the end and the end of this age (that is the new beginning; with the new heaven and the new earth). This shall be an everlasting kingdom, and nothing shall enter into it that defiles it. And there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor pain, for these former things are passed away. "And he said to me: "It is done! I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the fountain of the water of life. He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." - [ Revelation 21:6-7]

    And this is true because it has been given to us in these last days according to the testimony of the holy angels and John, but it is his word that is faithful and true.

    Expect no less, for truthfully the kingdom of heaven is not yet established here on the earth. Romans 14:17 by definition; God's kingdom is spiritual; Righteousness, joy, peace in the Holy Spirit, not mead and drink.

    Luke 17:20-21; "And when he was asked by the scribes and the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor shall they say, Look here or look there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (We cannot see it but is within us now; as we already know).

    Appart from this, The kingdom of heaven is physical. Be it on earth or in heaven.

    John the Baptist always preached; "The kingdom of heaven is near!" Jesus also said that the Jews should repent, because the kingdom of heaven is near and was, for Jesus himself had come down, in so manner that they might know the times and the seasons and so that they would seek to know him.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    David:

    Are you going to judge the world with Christ?

    Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand saints.

    Jude 1:15 To EXECUTE JUDGEMENT ON ALL ----is this ALL creation or not ---- and to CONVINCE ALL ---is this ALL creation or not ---- that are ungodly among them of ALL ---is the all or just part ---- their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    Do you think when this JUDGEMENT is EXECUTED against them it will CONVINCE them to TURN from their ways and bow and confess Christ as LORD.

    Everyone (ALL) is either going to be a JUDGE or be JUDGED.

    All this happens when Christ resurrects the ungodly back to their flesh and blood bodies.

    Isaiah 29:9 ....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Every knee will BOW and every tongue will CONFESS: CHRIST IS LORD.

    Romans 14:11

    Isaiah 45:23

    Philippians 2:10

    Romans 10:10 ....and with the mouth confession is made unto SALVATION.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thx for your response, in peace. Now I think we're done with the 10 Commandments. Long ago. A living Christian filled with the Holy Spirit will sin no more in this way as u Mean. Because everyone will not sin who have the Spirit of God. We dont do this at all, we got a new heart from heaven. And Because Jesus sacrificed Himself once and for all. With His blood He has cleansed us from all sin. His blood was clean. This is everywhere in the bible. We cannot and will not sin. If we make violations, we must settle our grievances of course. We can not sin, wil not sin, becouse we have being called from the living God. And I said Yes to the living God. Amen. Some may not see this until they accept and repend from death Deeds. All ppl have to see Jesus Christ as their King and Master in life. Now this is easy and misunderstand so do it right.

    All people who believe that Jesus is born of the virgin Mary, dead and buried rose 3 day. Now sitting with God Father Him Self. And that He took the sin of all ppl upon Himself so that we might live in Him.

    Who can contradict God and His Word? Do not put on vices and be bound in them, then u are not fre. When ppl get a new born life with the Lord Jesus Christ, see everything is new. We want never to go back to what was before in our death life.

    Romans 14:9-13 God bless all love u all in Christ
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Matthew 25:31-46, 2Peter 2, James 2, James 4, Matthew 24:42-51, Romans 14:12,

    Hope these help


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