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  • Nigel Rathburn
    Vicki JOPLIN - in Reply on Ezekiel 13:20

    The groom = Jesus the Messiah

    The bride = saints of Revelation 7

    The beast = China/Russia + 9 more

    The false prophet = pope?

    The whore/Babylon = US/allies
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply
    Hi Cheryl,

    As I'm not here to say who is going to Heaven and who isn't. Just to put my view to your question with a couple verses. First off there are no surprises with God and He knows exactly who is going to spend eternity with Him. As in Ephesians 1:4-6.

    I believe us in the Lord who are His and worthy to be with Him for eternity go to be with Him when our physical body dies. A couple verses: 2 Corinthians 5:1-10, Philippians 1:21-23.

    As it is written there are two resurrections. Here in Revelation 7:9-17 are all types of people in Heaven around the throne of God and Christ. Also Revelation 20:4-6 which speaks of those who are worthy of the first resurrection who live and reign with Christ and shall not see the second death. This is before the great judgement which is the end of the chapter.

    As also that confirms that not all shall go to be with Christ right after our physical death. Only those worthy of the first resurrection and the rest of the dead lived not until the second resurrection before the great judgement.

    God Bless.
  • Richard Estrada on Revelation 7
    Revelation 7 Explained:

    Even if you have read Revelation 7 hundreds of times, you may not have noticed something peculiar. After the tribes are sealed, vs 1-8, time skips forward 3.5 years, showing the same 144K resurrected and standing about the throne.

    9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. These are the firstfruits who will serve a thousand years with Jesus Christ.
  • Ralph Mayer on Genesis 1:1
    Bro Barney,

    Yes, knowing the time stamps are crucial because the text skips back and forth. You said "There are many more passages that point to the church being raptured up before the tribulation period."

    Can you show me in scripture where rapture happens before tribulation? Don't you mean before the great tribulation, before Jesus comes like a thief?

    The 144K sealed are the church that is resurrected, depicted standing before the alter as redeemed from the earth. Show me where anyone else besides the 144K are resurrected. Who are like these? Revelation 14:1-5

    Revelation 7:13-14

    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    God bless you Barney
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 10:11
    Brother Judge, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had open the SIXTH SEAL, and , lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood;

    This was fulfilled at CHRIST death and resurrection. This prophecy is in:

    Joel 2:3 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible DAY OF THE LORD COME.

    The one hundred forty four thousand in Revelation 7 are the Old Testament saints that were raised with Christ at his resurrection.

    Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints WHICH SLEPT AROSE,

    Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the HOLY CITY (New Jerusalem) and appeared to many.

    These Old Testament saints all died in FAITH; but, was never able to receive the promise of eternal life until Christ resurrection. This is shown in:

    Hebrews 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise (eternal life).

    Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some BETTER THING FOR US (eternal life), that THEY without US should not BE MADE PERFECT (accomplished by the death and resurrection of Christ).

    YES, thy along with John and all other saints now IN CHRIST are MINISTERING SPIRITS; to us, HERE and NOW.

    Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, SENT FORTH to minister FOR THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION.

    This is the role of ALL IN CHRIST at the time they are GLORIFIED.
  • Judge Martin - in Reply on Revelation 10:11
    Brent,

    The two witnesses are the one hundred forty four thousand sealed from BOTH houses of Israel. They are briefly mentioned, clocked, hidden, and allegorized throughout the Bible, and showcased in Revelation:

    Revelation 5

    Revelation 7

    Revelation 11

    Revelation 12

    Revelation 14

    The two witnesses (one hundred forty four thousand) are the only representatives of God who are sealed for 42 months. They are the woman of Revelation 12, etc. Now that you know, double check it for reproof.
  • Judge Martin - in Reply on Revelation 10:11
    Earl,

    John has no need to prophesy after leaving his body of flesh, which occurs at the seventh trumpet for the elect, when God's mystery is over. It is the resurrected one hundred forty thousand standing on Mount Zion with Jesus Messiah (Revelation 14:1).

    It is the one hundred forty four thousand who are tasked in prophesying between the sixth and seventh trumpets. Jesus Christ received a 42 month ministry, and so do the elect (Revelation 7).
  • Simon - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Revelation 7

    The sealing of 12 tribes: The Elect

    Jacob's 12 sons in order of birth: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

    Prior to the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord battle, 12 tribes of Israel are sealed 42 months from death, and witnesses to antichrist's atrocities.

    Revelation 7 tribe sealing in order: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin.

    In the field of 14 tribes, 12 are sealed; Dan and Ephraim have been left out. Joseph still represents two tribes, but in this case, for their apostasy, he replaces both Dan and Ephraim . Their seal exclusion implies that the 144K elect will be pure and righteous, having a strong testament of God's word.

    In Judges 17-21, before Israel had a king, and in their territories, Dan and Ephraim refused to conform to religious standards. Moreover, Dan was not pleased with the land God gave them, and they with Ephraim chased after idols.
  • The Two Martha39s - in Reply on Revelation 7
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    Wesley's Notes for Revelation 7:10

    7:10 Salvation to our God - Who hath saved us from all evil into all the happiness of heaven. The salvation for which they praise God is described, verse 15; #Rev 7:15 that for which| they praise the Lamb, verse 14; #Rev 7:14 and both|, in the sixteenth and seventeenth verses. #Rev 7:16|,17

    People's Bible Notes for Revelation 7:10

    Re 7:10 Salvation to our God . . . and unto the Lamb. The praise of our salvation be given to God and to the Lamb.

    In this scripture, God and Jesus are being praised for salvation of the earth, and humankind.

    Something that I do when a scripture seems unclear, is to ask The Holy Spirit to explain it. He desires to be our Teacher. Jesus sent him to all believers on the Day of Pentecost. We all should ask for help.

    It may involve being still before the Lord. Which generally means turn off the media in the room and listening intently.

    If you read the story of the two women both named Martha: one was scurrying around serving the company. The other Martha was sitting at the feet of Jesus, totally engaged with what He was teaching. The 2nd Martha is the one that was remarked upon.

    Point: being busy and distracted is not really a good thing if you cannot hear what Jesus is saying.

    My comment: hearing an answer or reply from the Holy Spirit, will create a hunger within your spirit to spend time with Him.

    Don't ask things you can easily look up in a Bible Encyclopedia, a Commentary or googling History. Do you see my suggestion? If you are still not understanding something, ask, believe, and you shall receive.

    Mishael
  • Tamara on Revelation 7
    In Revelation 7:10 it says "salvation to our God" ... I am baffled as to how our God needs salvation? This is really throwing me for a loop . Thanks for any clarification, Tamara
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Leviticus 13
    Hi Lauren,

    I'd be happy to look into that for you. As I understand how it kind of looks a little backwards in that it is us who need Salvation not God.

    First I looked in to the Greek word for Salvation. It is the word "soteria" G4991 with some definitions of "deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation , rescue". That checked out. As there was one variation between Textus Receptus versions I'll post at the end which didn't really answer anything as the differences are minor.

    I believe I found why the verse is a little off in the translation. I found this by going over the "article or adverb" right after the word Salvation. As the translation from Greek to English removes a lot of the adverbs and puts them all together. What I found was the one adverb G3588 used five times in the Greek, though only twice in English as "the", was actually three different Greek words in this one verse of Revelation 7:10. So using a translator I took that article right after Salvation and what I got was "of the". That gave me the answer we were looking for as Salvation "of" the one sitting upon the throne. Is what it should be and it is correct in the Greek. That's the best I could do as you noted another little flaw in the translation. Really no big deal as we know Salvation is of God not "to" Him. Though as you noticed It could be confusing to some.

    The one variant of the Textus Receptus that did not fully support this verse is the Stephanus. It reads "Salvation to him which sitteth upon the throne of our God, even unto the Lamb" instead of "Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Though it still uses "Salvation to him" so it has the same little flaw.

    That was a very good question Lauren and I always enjoy looking over the Scriptures to find details.

    God Bless.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Leviticus 13
    Richard, That is an interesting phrase from Revelation 7:9-10, "Salvation to our God, which sitteth upon the throne...." as we almost exclusively hear of "salvation for sinners," not to our God. Any comment? Thank you for all you share!

    Many Blessings, Lauren
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Leviticus 13
    Amen my sister! Just coming across that vision from Esdras the other night. It also parallels with John's vision in Revelation 7:9-10.

    Peace and Blessing be upon you.
  • Richard Duff - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5
    Hello Again, Chris,

    Wow...that is awesome to me that you have been right here before! What a thing!!

    But other than that, I think you have missed the point and Truth that indeed Joseph IS Ephraim, and that is what is being said in Revelation, especially being that Manasseh, the other half-tribe of Joseph in addition to Ephraim, is also separately listed...thus a FULL 12 - TWELVE - Tribes-of-Israel NAMES...but totaling only ELEVEN TRIBES are in Revelation chapter 7's TWELVE NAMES LISTING...12...BUT NOT DAN!! Revelation 7 is the only listing in the Bible of the 12 Tribes where Dan is missing!! And being that Revelation is discussing and REVEALING by Almighty God Jesus Christ things END-TIME...that makes the Judges 5:17 question of God's so, so critical for the Bible believer to come to the answer of that will absolutely prove THE END IS HERE!

    So then going back to that I was saying before, and saying it a little differently, it is deeply alluded to that the student must pray and look for, per the 3 passages, Genesis 49:16-18, Judges 5:17 mid-clause, and Revelation 7, the "and why did Dan remain in ships?"! That is what I studied to find some years ago and was asking you about; and that I would like to show you, being that you have not yet found the answer to that question of God's!!

    So let me say and ask it this way: do you have means to phone me here in the U.S.? I have never called long-distance on my cell phone, and have no idea how to set such a thing up. So, if you can?!...**** is my number!

    Then, I am not talking any "prophetical interpretations"; nor am I at all involved with anyone else in finding these things in hundreds and even thousands of my-own-by-myself hours of study over the years...these things are clear and guaranteed, and I am sure a couple hours on the phone together would have you absolutely convinced of and thrilled at these things! Want to do it?!!

    I am completely flexible time-wise, so you pick it! Cordially, Richard
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 15:5
    Hi Richard. We are 15 hours ahead of you here in Perth & just having some Autumn (Fall) rains as I write. My wife & I were in SLC a couple of years ago, meeting up with a Delta pilot friend who was hitching a ride on another aircraft to meet his own aircraft in another city. As well, we had a great coach tour from SLC through Idaho & Montana. We always enjoy visiting the U.S. & catching up with friends who are spread all over - but all that is now curtailed, for a long while I expect.

    I have to admit, I'm not into such prophetical interpretations as you are involved in. I don't say that is wrong to do, but I can't in all good conscience take to such interpretations, let alone teach them. I'm satisfied with what we can clearly see in the Scriptures, & even if some of the countries mentioned in Ezekiel 38 (e.g. Magog, Meshech, Tubal) cannot be correctly identified, it does provide us with something that we can refer to. But to bring in the U.S., U.K., & others into the Scripture, I personally find difficult to do.

    And with the Tribe of Dan, as also Ephraim, who are missing in the list in Revelation 7, there has been speculation. As also the mention of 13 Tribes in other OT Scriptures, where Joseph is left out & his sons, Ephraim & Manasseh are given. And then Joseph & Manasseh are found in Rev 7, but Ephraim is missing. I wonder whether there is any relation to the missing Ephraim & Dan tribes. Maybe the fact that they both were involved in idolatry & increasing apostasy in some way (Judges chapters 17-21) caused them being omitted. May you have the Lord's Wisdom, Richard, as you search the Scriptures to formulate teachings in respect to the End Times.
  • Simon on Revelation 14
    Revelation 5

    Revelation 7

    Revelation 11

    Revelation 12

    Revelation 14

    The witnesses are special enough to be the subject of 5 Chapters, and that they're hidden from you until I come along. Just prior to the 6th trumpet (Revelation 7:1-3), the elect 144 are sealed for 3.5 years (42 months) against death. At the end of their testimony, these elect will lay dead in the street for 3.5 days, then taken up in the clouds at the seventh trumpet, second coming of Jesus Christ. Since antichrist is revealed at the start of the sixth trumpet, (2 Thessalonians 2:3) the day of the Lord, his 3.5 years expire at the start of the seventh trumpet. The elect die 3.5 days before the seventh trumpet resurrection, while antichrist's time hasn't come yet. This leaves a 3.5 day gap between the tribes being sealed, and the sixth trumpet. For prophesy to be fulfilled, the 144 must receive a full 1 days of sealed protection.

    The tribes are sealed 3.5 days prior to the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord. What will they do in that 3.5 day day window?

    (Joel 2:28-31) And it shall come to pass afterward [(Acts 2:17-21) And it shall come to pass in the last days], that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:...

    Could this Holy Ghost outpour occur during the 3.5 day "gap" prior to the day of the Lord, so that we, with the elect, should all (flesh) receive the Holy Ghost?

    We also have the promise of (Malachi 4:5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: [between Revelation 6:14 & Revelation 6:12?]
  • Simon on Revelation 7
    THE FIRST RESURRECTION: The seventh trumpet resurrection happens in the twinkling of an eye. (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Judgment for these resurrected Christians takes place in the space between the seventh trumpet and before the twinkling, rather simultaneously.

    The 144 out of great tribulation are judged (Revelation 20:4) and made whole. These are the elect only, no others. Resurrection scriptures were tailored for the elect, of the great tribulation, who rise first.

    The resurrection accounts of the 144 are on record, and their numbers add up: "10,0 x 10 = 100,000 + thousands and thousands" is another way of saying 144. (Revelation 7:9 [that's them]) ...a great multitude...in white robes...out of the great tribulation. (Revelation 11:12)

    (Revelation 5:11) And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.

    (Revelation 7:13-14) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes (fifth seal brethren) and whence came they?....they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes...

    It makes sense for the 144 to rule the world with Christ for the 1 years. Then bring up the balance for the new heaven and new earth.

    For resurrection perspective, the current world population is 7.8 billion people.

    Conservatively speaking, 25 billion Christians have lived since the first century AD.

    If these 25 billion dead in Christ are resurrected at the last trumpet, where will they go?

    25 billion (physically) are not sustainable, suggesting that the first fruits are a small body of the core church. Many will remain asleep.

    THE SECOND RESURRECTION: God's balance of 108 billion souls will come to the table. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) The new earth & new heaven will accommodate all.
  • Simon on Psalms 2
    Revelation 7

    The sealing of 12 tribes: The Elect

    Jacob's 12 sons in order of birth: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

    Prior to the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord battle, 12 tribes of Israel, of many tongues, are sealed 42 months from death, and witnesses to antichrist's atrocities.



    Revelation 7 tribe sealing in order: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin.

    In the field of 14 tribes, 12 are sealed; Dan and Ephraim have been left out. Joseph still represents two tribes, but in this case, for their apostasy, he replaces both Dan and Ephraim . Their seal exclusion implies that the 144 elect will be pure and righteous, having a strong testament of God's word.

    In Judges 17-21, before Israel had a king, and in their territories, Dan and Ephraim refused to conform to religious standards. Moreover, Dan was not pleased with the land God gave them, and they with Ephraim chased after idols.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 14

    Revelation 15

    Revelation 16

    This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle (Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) (Revelation 14:14-20) (Matthew 20:1-16)

    When the sixth seal was opened (Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of (Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him (Isaiah 26:19),(Revelation 20:5-6) and (Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ (1 Timothy 6:16)(Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour (Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost (Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST (Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne (Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again (Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. (Ezekiel 1:10) (Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

    Hebrews 12:29

    Luke 12:49-50

    Matthew 3:11-12

    Isaiah 9:5

    Isaiah 4:3-4

    Malachai 3:2-3

    Ezekiel 20:46-49

    1 Corinthians 3:15
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Isaiah 56
    S Spencer, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The Spirit has revealed to you HIS truth in your reply to Karen. The promise was the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (immortal life by Christ); but this was not possible without RESURRECTION; therefore, we and the saints of the old testament also became partakers of HIS RESURRECTION.

    Hebrews 11:39-40

    Isaiah 26:19

    Revelation 20:5-6

    Matthew 27:52-53

    Revelation 7 they were sealed with the Holy Spirit and His immortal body

    1 Timothy 6:16
  • Homer - in Reply on Psalms 75
    That is a good question. In most cases the Bible defines itself. If I were to guess, it's an allegory of the 144 sealed from death for 42 months (a thousand two hundred and threescore days). The elect witnesses; they do daily battle with anti-Christ. They make use the extra hours of darkness to survive.

    The 144 sealed in Revelation 7 are the same two witnesses from Revelation 11. The two witnesses are from the house from Israel & the house of Judah: 12 tribes. Now, Revelation 11:3 says "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

    I hope that makes enough sense to you to form your own conclusions.
  • Earl Bowman on Romans 8:9
    Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.



    Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    (53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.

    Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.

    Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......

    This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.

    Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53

    Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).

    (40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,

    hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 27
    Nina, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.



    Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

    (53) and came out of the graves after HIS RESURRECTION, and went in to the holy city, and appeared to many.

    Understanding these scriptures takes other scriptures and the HOLY SPIRIT causing you to understand.

    Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, TOGETHER WITH MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE......

    This prophecy is three fold, Christ promises the (called out) saints of the old testament and the (called out) saints of the new testament along with (HIS) dead body would RISE TOGETHER.

    Hebrews 11:16 But now they (saints of old) desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called there God: for he hath prepared them a (HOLY) CITY. The one in Matthew 27:53

    Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (saints of old), having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NO THE PROMISE (eternal life, it would be given to them at Christ resurrection).

    (40) God having provided some better thing for us (the called out of the new testament will never see death, we were resurrected with Christ), that they (saints of old) without us (new saints) should not be made perfect (image of Christ, who only hath immortality, [eternal life] 1 Timothy 6:16).

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they (the called out) die any more (they [WE ARE SIN] died with Christ on the cross, were buried and arose with him): for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, BEING THE CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, YE HIS ANGELS, that excel in strength, that do his commandments,

    hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    Revelation 7:4 Describes the called out saints of the old testament that were sealed with the Holy Spirit (Christ).
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Hello Aaron (& Edna). I don't believe that we can use personal email addresses on this Site, as it's a public Site & you know how problems can occur by doing so. If your great grandmother hits the Reply button on the Comment she wishes to respond to (or, else start a fresh Comment to bring up a new Topic or question), then we should all see it. Having said that, your comment to me, & some from others, don't always give me an alert in my email, so I actually stumbled onto your comment now, as I try to peruse as much of the input into KJB Online as possible. And of course, there are many capable, knowledgeable brothers & sisters here who would be willing to give answers, if I miss it. Hopefully, it will all work out for her.

    To her question: I understand that she was referring to Revelation 7:3 ff. There would be several views on this portion of Scripture, but to me, if it seems clear in the Bible, then I accept it as given. We're not told how this Seal of God is applied to the foreheads, whether visible or not: likely visible. And then again, it applies to the 144 (12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel). Some see this number as referring to the Church, since the purity, indeed the evidence, of any of the tribes, are virtually non-existent today. But if we say that it's the Church being spoken of, then why mention the tribes, & why such a relatively low number of people who are sealed? Again, I believe that this speaks of Israel, as we (the Church) have already been sealed by the Holy Spirit & as I also believe that we will not go through the Great Tribulation & we will not be here in Revelation chap 7, but with the Lord in Heaven.

    So the Revelation Seal is one from God placed upon the 144 of Israel, whereas the Mark of the Beast, is that mark or name that is required to be put on all those left on Earth so they can serve the Anti-Christ & be able to live. But for how long? As the Wrath of God will soon be poured out on all living on Earth at that time.
  • Edna - in Reply on Romans 8:9
    Hello, Chris. My name is Aaron. I'm responding on the behalf of my great grandmother, Edna, who posted the original comment.

    I think she was referring to the seal on the servants of God, mentioned in Revelation 7:3. She was asking what the difference between that seal and the "mark of the beast" was.

    Thank you for response! I never expected to get such a thorough response so quickly!

    I'll relay your comment to her.

    Thanks again!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - in Reply on Matthew 24:29
    I agree, Richard Groom. Everything said by Paul, Peter, John is in complete harmony with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:9. The argument is that 24 is for the Jews. But that is a stretch. The chapter begins by telling us the Disciples of

    "Jesus got together and asked Him about His Return and the End of the Age. The fact that they were Jews is inconsequential.

    As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said,

    "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

    His response follows.

    "Immediately after the Tribulation of those days

    "'the sun will be darkened,

    the moon will not give its light;

    the stars will fall from the sky,

    the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

    "Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth

    will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven,

    with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call,

    and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    Even a cursory comparison of all the references in the New and Old Testament concerning the Last Days and the Return of Jesus, shows no deviation from the Timeline Jesus presents in 24:9. The idea that there is a pre-coming before the Coming, ignores the parallels and the words of Jesus. There isn't a single place in all of Scripture where a specific time is revealed for the Second Coming, that isn't in keeping with 24:9. And if there were a secret pre-coming, why didn't Jesus reveal it to His disciples, who came to Him privately?

    Revelation tells us clearly that many will be persecuted and killed during the Tribulation, FOR THEIR TESTIMONY OF CHRIST. Revelation 7:14 "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation.

    The Day of Wrath is the final hour, not the full 7 years.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on James 1:8
    Anne, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding;

    Hebrews 11 is a testament about the old testament saints; but pay close attention to verses 9 and 40.

    Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all (old testament saints), having obtained a good report through (the work of the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost which is) faith, received not the promise (eternal life, incorruption, immortality):

    (vs) 40 God (Spirit) having provided some better thing for us (children of the resurrection), that they (old testament saints) without us (children or the resurrection) should not be made perfect (complete in the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Ghost who only hath immortality 1 timothy 6:16).

    John 11:25 ..... I am the resurrection......

    Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us ( old testament saints, children or the resurrection and Christ) up together......

    Revelation 20:5 .... this is the first resurrection....

    Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many of the bodies of the (old testaments) saints which slept (died waiting for the promise) arose,

    (vs) 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city (new Jerusalem)......

    Revelation 7:1-4 (vs) 3 ......till we (Spirit) have sealed our servants (old testament) saints in their foreheads (given them the mind of Christ)......

    Revelation 14:4 .......these (old testament saints) were redeemed from among men, being the FIRST FRUITS unto God.....

    Revelation 1:3 .... for the time is at hand...

    May the Spirit grace you with his wisdom.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 21
    God's re-creation of a new Heaven (may also refer to the sky/universe) & a new Earth, is the final great Act of God to remove the stain & stench of sin from the Earth. Satan, his demons & all who followed him have been cast into the eternal Lake of Fire (chapter 20), so now this new Earth will be for all the righteous ones to live on, with God Himself reigning with them.

    It appears that with the creation of the New Jerusalem, which comes down & is established on this new revamped Earth, that there will be no other countries or cities, as all of God's people will be eternally with the Father & His Son in this new City. Those who have been raptured, or had died in Christ earlier, along with the Old Testament saints & martyrs, will have 'physical' bodies so fashioned, that we will be able to live in Heaven or on Earth. That is why the "dead in Christ will rise first" at the coming of the Lord (1 Thessalonians 4:16), that their reconstituted bodies, with those living, will be physically with the Lord & not just 'spirits in Heaven'.

    The 144 that you read about in Revelation chapters 7 & 14, apply to the 12 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel. We are not told how these will be known & selected (except it's stated that they are virgins (Revelation 14:4), seeing that present day Israel is largely of mixed blood. Yet aside from these, there will still be the number of redeemed Gentiles (Revelation 7:9) who will, together with all the other inhabitants of Heaven, worship the Lord into Eternity.
  • Chris - in Reply on 1 Chronicles 11
    Both the tribe of Dan & the tribe pertaining to Ephraim (son of Joseph) are missing from the list in Revelation 7:4-8. There is no certainty why these names are missing, with the tribes of Joseph & Manasseh being reflected instead. The general reason given is that according to Judges 18:30-31, Dan went into idol worship, as also Ephraim, & they had failed to repent & return to the worship of the true God. Even though they would have continued to survive (i.e. not being wiped out), their idolatrous practises caused God to isolate & remove them entirely.


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