Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
This topic is widely referred to or discussed in the Scriptures, but I'm unsure whether you're just wanting Scriptures relating to death or more specifically on the preparation to enter eternity. So here are a few Scriptures for you to look at:
Psalm 49:6-15; Psalm 116:15; Daniel 12:1-3; John 11:19-26; Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; Revelation 21:4.
There are signs given that precede Jesus's Return: Matthew 24, Luke 21. They are described as being like a woman's labor pains: mild at first, violent at transition.
Another sign: the Abomination of Desolation.
Read Matthew 25:15
Mark 13:14
Revelation 21:27
Another: Israel will be surrounded by their enemies.
Many of these signs are happening now. Now is the time to evangelize loved ones and others.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:22
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
I am warning you. Repent! You are kindling God's anger.
I searched for other red letter KJVs and they didn't have chapter 21 in red either, so maybe who is speaking may not be confirmed it's Jesus? One site said they think it's God the Father? I noticed Rev 21:7 says "I will be his God..."
It is more of an observation/question actually. In Chapter 1 vv 8 and 11, we can see that the letters are in red. It's the same "Alpha and Omega" speaking on verse 6 above ( Rev 21:6), why is it not in red letter?
When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.
My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.
Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.
There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.
Yes Daniel, there are several Scriptures pertaining to this: Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6,27; Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Revelation 21:8, are just a few.
You not only strongly disagree with me, you strongly disagree with Jesus Christ, and everything else written in the Bible that doesn't agree with your extreme OSAS point of view.
Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
I guess you also disagree with the above scripture - stating when the "Book of Life" is opened - the dead will be judged according to their works!
Jesus tells us point blank: Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
So, you are simply ignoring all of the scripture that I listed above, and the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, and you state you are going to heaven anyway.
Jesus, will be our Judge, we can't just ignore all of the scripture!
Christ followers can and should be confident in their future salvation when they are following Christ, but satan absolutely loves OSAS, because he deceives people into assuming they don't need to take any action to follow Christ. He even convinces people that doing good is bad and bad is good- satan's signature of opposites.
Jesus gave plenty of warnings about this exact topic through parables and verses like this: Matthew 7:21. People who assume otherwise have to ignore most of the new testament's warnings and conditional statements: If... then... Rom 10:9, John 15:10. Even satan and demons believe in God and Jesus. Jesus said most people will go to hell and gave us Christians plenty of warnings. Jesus said to fear God the father. Matthew 10:28
Most of Paul's writings were to Christians in churches he was concerned about as they were going astray. He didn't tell them: just do whatever, and don't worry about obeying Jesus, because it doesn't matter. No, quite the opposite. Satan loves people not trying though. Paul said to run the race. Some Christians interpret this as "don't run any race, because it doesn't matter."
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that people who aren't following Christ have assurance of salvation. And nowhere in the Bible does it say we're saved now on earth right after saying a prayer and before Jesus comes and before we even face judgment. This seems to be the epitome of man-made doctrine not from the Bible. I welcome anyone to share any scripture that says this, because I hear it a lot, but never seen anything in the Bible saying that.
Happy to have a respectful dialog with any other perspective, but the Bible is clear what it says. Obeying Jesus is good and disobeying is bad. Those who disobey may not be Christ followers and don't have assurance of salvation. John 14:15. Also anyone can commit blasphemy of the holy spirit, which clearly says is unforgiveable, which alone debunks OSAS theory.
I strongly disagree with you. If one is saved, one is born again. If one is born again his name is written in the book of life.
The new testament doesn't begin until Jesus dies on the cross. Jesus came for the Jews, not the gentiles, for the most part in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John, ( now John is different when he writes he has the gospels and Paul's epistles before him. What you are quoting was written to a temple attending, sabbath observing, pork abstaining, bearded Jew under the law. I'm not a Jew, are you?
If you want the doctrine for this age, read, Romans- Philemon.
Religion is what a man does to justify himself before God, salvation is what God gives a man who knows he can't justify himself.
You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
I don't want to argue, good luck working your way to heaven. I don't work to get saved, I don't work to stay saved, I work because I am saved.
My destination is fixed. I'm trusting nothing but the blood of Christ to get me to heaven.
I strongly disagree with you saying that Paul is telling the saved believers that they are going to heaven "no matter what". Paul is not saying this.
In the verse that you listed: Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."
If it is as you say Paul and his fellow laborer's are destined for heaven no matter what - why are they laboring so hard? I'll tell you why they are laboring, they are struggling with everyday life, to live as sin free as possible and follow in Christs footsteps to assure that they actually do achieve the prize - Heaven!
If it is as you are relating here that all Christian's that believe that their name is in the book of life are going to heaven - no matter what - this is false doctrine, and for anyone to believe this, they we would have to ignore the entire gospel of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:14
"For many are called, but few are chosen."
Luke 13:24
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 5:20
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
There are no free tickets to heaven, and it's never too late to change, read Jesus Christs Gospel found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and Believe!
Lambs book of Life, when one gets saved, they are now born again. One of the many, many, many, things that happens is that your name gets written in the book of life.
Paul is telling the saved believers, in Philippians 4:3, fellow laborers whose names are written in the book of life. Your destined to Heaven no matter what. Glory to God, amen.
Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isaiah 65:8-10.
NOTICE: HERES A CONTRAST GROUP IN Isaiah 65:11-16. These blessings is not to ALL!
Isaiah 65:17. parallels with Revelation 21:1. So you can go back and forward between the two books and get the sequence of events in its order and see the players involved and their separate destinations.
Isaiah 65:18-20 is clearly Israel and clearly future. (Not the Church)
See here the parallels:
Isaiah 65:19. and Revelation 21:4.
Isaiah 65:21_23. and Deuteronomy 28:30-33 ( Deuteronomy 28:45-46) is clearly Israel.
Isaiah 65:25. Clearly future.
Notice the economy, location, two groups and two fates, in both Revelation and Isaiah in both books last few chapters.
Isaiah 66.
Isaiah66;17-21. and Matthew 25:31-46. (Judgement of the individuals of the Nations) Notice three groups 1) The sheep.
2) The Goats. 3) The little ones. (Possibly the 144000 sealed servants.)
Isaiah 66:22. Shows Gods faithful promises and purpose for Israel is eternal.
Now we come to Isaiah 66;23-24.
Isaiah 66:23. Speaks of All those who are saved!
Isaiah 66:24. Speaks of those who are not. ( Revelation 21:1-8.)
IS 66;24. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. ( This speaks of their eternal state of damnation.) as seen in Revelation 20:13-15. Revelation 22:11.
2 Peter 3:6-14. Speaks of two groups, repentance, consequences.
No scholar here, but a Child of God. I believe God/Jesus's word/prophecy is your answer; Matt 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. This is why were told to be ready. If we knew, can you imagine how that would be manipulated. Plus, it would circumvent faith. I guess the best example as a parent myself, I didn't tell my teenagers exactly how long I'd be gone b/c I didn't want them to calculate that for mischief. But by the same means as parents, we always say, "love you, be back soon, be good."
So, at this point when no man knows and we're warned not to figure it out, I choose to trust. I feel we're "close" (of course, we're always one day closer) more so b/c of technology, the hate for God/Christianity, and unparalleled evil. The world's variables have now become constants for the evil powers that be, that man now can truly play God more than ever and run the WORLD. There are no more frontiers --only world domination. [No. Absolutely not, God will not allow man to MARS or any other planet. I'm already second guessing our moon landing. Soooooo many lies.]
I know our Father will give the OK to pull His church out b/f all hell breaks loose on earth ( Rev 4) --we will not be under world/satan rule b/c we already gave our life the Christ. I truly believe God is using this time wake us and sift us --who is true. If you can't handle today --you won't be with us tomorrow.
At this point, I just want to finish the race and hopefully hear, "Well done my good and faithful daughter." In Christ,
I would like to know more about the "Lambs Book of Life." Also Resurrection pertaining to those who are in the Book versus Judgement. Are we truly living in the last days of Nebuchadnezzar in the toes, & Biblical Scholar's, how long is it until JESUS' Return; what is a definite shoe in sign of HIS coming. Thank You & GOD BLESS Sharon*
Judgment and the division of two groups. Those written in the book of life and those cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41.
Revelation 21:1-6.
New heaven and new earth.
Revelation 21:7-8.
A mention of two separate groups set for two destinations.
Here in Revelation 21:9-27. we have
A view of the bride and great city Jerusalem and the nations of them which are saved and the gates.
Notice who's is absent in verse 27.(And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:) Note; Same group in Revelation 20:15.
We shall see this group again in the next chapter.
However here's a group that made it in! ( but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.)
Revelation 22:1-21.
Verse 10 the climax.
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
Separation. and fate sealed.
NO REFINING FIRE.
Revelation 22:11-15. HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: and he which is filthy, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL: and he that is righteous, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.( Same group in Revelation 20:15.
The things for us to know have been revealed but also more shall be revealed in the future (PLEASE read: 1 Corinthians 13:9-12); however, what we do know is that it's absolutely necessary to accept Truth prior to leaving this Earth, especially if one deems it necessary to be at peace with The CREATOR here on Earth, and also in the Afterlife. Obviously, the only other option is to spend the Afterlife in fire described as being seven times hotter than Earthly fire, in utter darkness, with a hellified angry Satan, and his demons, and other things that are guaranteed to bring indescribable torture in a place that could only be described as Hell; and that itself, will be cast into the Lake of Fire that burns... brimstone Revelation 20:10 &
Revelation 21:7-8:
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
At least on Earth, we are given the opportunity to repent, or to get it right, and keep it right as King David did but the Afterlife, has more sense of an irrevocable permanence.
St. John 3:5-7
JESUS answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
2 Peter 2:21
"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."
Isaiah has thousands of prophecies about the Kingdom of God.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the lord sitting upon a throne (the throne is in the TEMPLE), high and lifted up, and his train (wedding dress) filled the TEMPLE.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man (flesh and blood) defile the TEMPLE of God (Spirit), him (flesh an blood) shall God (Spirit) DESTROY: for the TEMPLE of God is Holy, which TEMPLE ye are.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who (flesh and blood) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God (Spirit), or that is worshipped, so that he (flesh and blood) as (a flesh and blood) God sitteth in the TEMPLE of God (Spirit), showing himself (flesh and blood) that he (as flesh and blood) is God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the the Kingdom of God.
Flesh and blood defiles the TEMPLE of God ( 1 Corinthians 3:17), so God is going to DESTROY IT.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And when that Wicked (flesh and blood) shall be revealed (by the truth of God's Word), who the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth (word of God), and shall DESTROY (flesh and blood) with the brightness of his COMING (the new creation, CHRIST IN YOU).
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE of it.
The word says we are God's temple; BUT, the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are TEMPLE of it (YOU).
Flesh and blood no longer exist, we are a NEW CREATION, the exactness of OUR FATHER.
The OLD HEAVEN has passed away, all things have become NEW.
Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth, (this will come to pass at the second resurrection, back to their flesh, TO JUDGEMENT) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of Life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundations of the world.
Isaiah 26:9 ...and when thy JUDGEMENTS (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psalms 149:9 To execute on them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this honour hath all his saints.
We will either be the JUDGES bringing the world to righteousness, or we will be the JUDGED, learning righteousness.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU ......
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (Christ in YOU) and a NEW EARTH (where RIGHTEOUSNESS will DWELL), for the former HAD PASSED AWAY.
These scriptures teach there is neither heaven or hell, as taught by the traditions of man.
To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.
Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.
Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.
You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.
Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......
God alone will judge. If the child was younger, trust God for mercy. And this may be a call to you to evangelize children in your family and neighborhood.
"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" ( Genesis 18:25)? This is a great comfort to those of us with loved ones who have passed into eternity and we are not sure of the destination of their souls. God is a sovereign Judge of righteousness, full of grace and mercy to all who call upon Him. It is His very justice that offers a "way" for all to escape the judgment of His righteousness, and it is in that justice that we must rest. It is grace that saves us, and it is grace in which we must stand when we go through the double grief of the death of an unsaved loved one. We must remember that we cannot make this choice for anyone else, and if they went into eternity without Christ, that was their choice in spite of the offer of grace.
Although we may have pain in the remembrance of that loved one while we are in this life and go through the grief process, there will come a time when each born-again believer will be with the Lord. In that day "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" ( Revelation 21:4). We cannot comprehend how that will be because we live in time and are constrained by our finite minds. However, just the thought of that is enough to bring comfort and encouragement. When we see the Lord, all of the sorrow we have now will disappear. "You now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you" ( John 16:22). In the meantime, we can lean on the everlasting arms of God, who feels our pain and comforts us with His great love and mercy.
Mishael: again, trust Gods judgment. Ask Jesus to help carry this pain for you. Come back here for fellowship. You see how much we do care and respond.
Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Ecclesiastes 3
I'm 70. Been to some funerals. My generation is passing on, but those of us left can leave some hope with our young people just carving out their futures.
People like me, have seen a lot, done a lot and still have more time left. Do you have time for me or for the aged relatives in your life? I would LOVE to sit at Isaiah's feet and hear what he saw in chapter 1. I would like to get inside Paul's head in the days he was blinded by seeing Jesus on that Road. Every time Jacob got through something impossibly hard, he would build a pile of stones and leave the memory there. I have lots of questions_still.
It's good to ask questions, dig like an archaeologist in the Bible. Sift out every detail you can.
Evangelize. Pass on what you've sifted out of the Bible. Tell the Stories like Jesus did.
It's not right for the elderly to die with their stories still untold. Those are bricks we lean on, when life sends humanquakes. I'm taking my stories to heaven. There'll be billions I can tell them to :)
Likein the 60's we didn't ink up our bodies with tatoos. We used washable paint and went swimming after. It was fun. We waded in fountains. Racism was taught by politicians. We didn't segregate our paint & swim parties.
Church picnics were not segregated. I ate everyone's chicken! I hate what America has become. Jesus didn't teach it either. If only we would follow Jesus!
Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,
Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,
Hopefully these are all helpful
Psalm 49:6-15; Psalm 116:15; Daniel 12:1-3; John 11:19-26; Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; Revelation 21:4.
Another sign: the Abomination of Desolation.
Read Matthew 25:15
Mark 13:14
Revelation 21:27
Another: Israel will be surrounded by their enemies.
Many of these signs are happening now. Now is the time to evangelize loved ones and others.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
I am warning you. Repent! You are kindling God's anger.
I searched for other red letter KJVs and they didn't have chapter 21 in red either, so maybe who is speaking may not be confirmed it's Jesus? One site said they think it's God the Father? I noticed Rev 21:7 says "I will be his God..."
When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.
My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.
Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.
There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.
God bless,
RLW
Romans 14:17 The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but rightness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Not sure how after we inherit all things some may not have access to all of God's eternal Gift.
2 Timothy 2:15 told you to rightly divide the word of truth, that is your problem.
Your divisions are wrong. See you at the judgment.
You not only strongly disagree with me, you strongly disagree with Jesus Christ, and everything else written in the Bible that doesn't agree with your extreme OSAS point of view.
Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
I guess you also disagree with the above scripture - stating when the "Book of Life" is opened - the dead will be judged according to their works!
Jesus tells us point blank: Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
So, you are simply ignoring all of the scripture that I listed above, and the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, and you state you are going to heaven anyway.
Jesus, will be our Judge, we can't just ignore all of the scripture!
God Bless.
Jesus gave plenty of warnings about this exact topic through parables and verses like this: Matthew 7:21. People who assume otherwise have to ignore most of the new testament's warnings and conditional statements: If... then... Rom 10:9, John 15:10. Even satan and demons believe in God and Jesus. Jesus said most people will go to hell and gave us Christians plenty of warnings. Jesus said to fear God the father. Matthew 10:28
Most of Paul's writings were to Christians in churches he was concerned about as they were going astray. He didn't tell them: just do whatever, and don't worry about obeying Jesus, because it doesn't matter. No, quite the opposite. Satan loves people not trying though. Paul said to run the race. Some Christians interpret this as "don't run any race, because it doesn't matter."
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that people who aren't following Christ have assurance of salvation. And nowhere in the Bible does it say we're saved now on earth right after saying a prayer and before Jesus comes and before we even face judgment. This seems to be the epitome of man-made doctrine not from the Bible. I welcome anyone to share any scripture that says this, because I hear it a lot, but never seen anything in the Bible saying that.
Happy to have a respectful dialog with any other perspective, but the Bible is clear what it says. Obeying Jesus is good and disobeying is bad. Those who disobey may not be Christ followers and don't have assurance of salvation. John 14:15. Also anyone can commit blasphemy of the holy spirit, which clearly says is unforgiveable, which alone debunks OSAS theory.
The new testament doesn't begin until Jesus dies on the cross. Jesus came for the Jews, not the gentiles, for the most part in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John, ( now John is different when he writes he has the gospels and Paul's epistles before him. What you are quoting was written to a temple attending, sabbath observing, pork abstaining, bearded Jew under the law. I'm not a Jew, are you?
If you want the doctrine for this age, read, Romans- Philemon.
Religion is what a man does to justify himself before God, salvation is what God gives a man who knows he can't justify himself.
You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
I don't want to argue, good luck working your way to heaven. I don't work to get saved, I don't work to stay saved, I work because I am saved.
My destination is fixed. I'm trusting nothing but the blood of Christ to get me to heaven.
I strongly disagree with you saying that Paul is telling the saved believers that they are going to heaven "no matter what". Paul is not saying this.
In the verse that you listed: Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."
If it is as you say Paul and his fellow laborer's are destined for heaven no matter what - why are they laboring so hard? I'll tell you why they are laboring, they are struggling with everyday life, to live as sin free as possible and follow in Christs footsteps to assure that they actually do achieve the prize - Heaven!
If it is as you are relating here that all Christian's that believe that their name is in the book of life are going to heaven - no matter what - this is false doctrine, and for anyone to believe this, they we would have to ignore the entire gospel of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:14
"For many are called, but few are chosen."
Luke 13:24
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 5:20
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
There are no free tickets to heaven, and it's never too late to change, read Jesus Christs Gospel found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and Believe!
Good Bless.
Paul is telling the saved believers, in Philippians 4:3, fellow laborers whose names are written in the book of life. Your destined to Heaven no matter what. Glory to God, amen.
Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isaiah 65:8-10.
NOTICE: HERES A CONTRAST GROUP IN Isaiah 65:11-16. These blessings is not to ALL!
Isaiah 65:17. parallels with Revelation 21:1. So you can go back and forward between the two books and get the sequence of events in its order and see the players involved and their separate destinations.
Isaiah 65:18-20 is clearly Israel and clearly future. (Not the Church)
See here the parallels:
Isaiah 65:19. and Revelation 21:4.
Isaiah 65:21_23. and Deuteronomy 28:30-33 ( Deuteronomy 28:45-46) is clearly Israel.
Isaiah 65:25. Clearly future.
Notice the economy, location, two groups and two fates, in both Revelation and Isaiah in both books last few chapters.
Isaiah 66.
Isaiah66;17-21. and Matthew 25:31-46. (Judgement of the individuals of the Nations) Notice three groups 1) The sheep.
2) The Goats. 3) The little ones. (Possibly the 144000 sealed servants.)
Isaiah 66:22. Shows Gods faithful promises and purpose for Israel is eternal.
Now we come to Isaiah 66;23-24.
Isaiah 66:23. Speaks of All those who are saved!
Isaiah 66:24. Speaks of those who are not. ( Revelation 21:1-8.)
IS 66;24. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. ( This speaks of their eternal state of damnation.) as seen in Revelation 20:13-15. Revelation 22:11.
2 Peter 3:6-14. Speaks of two groups, repentance, consequences.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)
Therefore, to believe the entire Bible and not just parts of the Bible we would need to say we are saved by both grace and works.
And many Biblical passages confirm this:
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ( James 4:7)
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. ( Hebrews 4:11)
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; ( Hebrews 5:9)
and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. ( Revelation 2:23)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ( Revelation 2:26)
I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. ( 1 John 2:13)
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, ( Revelation 2:7)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ( Revelation 21:7)
Has Christ CAUSED you to believe on him.
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN, on the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake.
Christ is the book, the word of God.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....Christ in you .....
John 14:6 .....I AM LIFE .....
Colossians 2:13 For it is God (his life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You are IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.
God Bless YOU!
So, at this point when no man knows and we're warned not to figure it out, I choose to trust. I feel we're "close" (of course, we're always one day closer) more so b/c of technology, the hate for God/Christianity, and unparalleled evil. The world's variables have now become constants for the evil powers that be, that man now can truly play God more than ever and run the WORLD. There are no more frontiers --only world domination. [No. Absolutely not, God will not allow man to MARS or any other planet. I'm already second guessing our moon landing. Soooooo many lies.]
I know our Father will give the OK to pull His church out b/f all hell breaks loose on earth ( Rev 4) --we will not be under world/satan rule b/c we already gave our life the Christ. I truly believe God is using this time wake us and sift us --who is true. If you can't handle today --you won't be with us tomorrow.
At this point, I just want to finish the race and hopefully hear, "Well done my good and faithful daughter." In Christ,
Revelation 20:11-15.
Judgment and the division of two groups. Those written in the book of life and those cast into the lake of fire. Matthew 25:41.
Revelation 21:1-6.
New heaven and new earth.
Revelation 21:7-8.
A mention of two separate groups set for two destinations.
Here in Revelation 21:9-27. we have
A view of the bride and great city Jerusalem and the nations of them which are saved and the gates.
Notice who's is absent in verse 27.(And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:) Note; Same group in Revelation 20:15.
We shall see this group again in the next chapter.
However here's a group that made it in! ( but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.)
Revelation 22:1-21.
Verse 10 the climax.
"And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."
Separation. and fate sealed.
NO REFINING FIRE.
Revelation 22:11-15. HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL: and he which is filthy, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL: and he that is righteous, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL: and he that is holy, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
FOR WITHOUT ARE DOGS, AND SORCERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND MURDERERS, AND IDOLATERS, and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.( Same group in Revelation 20:15.
Revelation21: 27.)
and Matthew 25:41.
Who's the unjust that is unjust still?
A warning!! Revelation 22:18-19.
God bless.
Revelation 21:7-8:
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
At least on Earth, we are given the opportunity to repent, or to get it right, and keep it right as King David did but the Afterlife, has more sense of an irrevocable permanence.
St. John 3:5-7
JESUS answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of GOD.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
2 Peter 2:21
"For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."
Isaiah has thousands of prophecies about the Kingdom of God.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the lord sitting upon a throne (the throne is in the TEMPLE), high and lifted up, and his train (wedding dress) filled the TEMPLE.
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man (flesh and blood) defile the TEMPLE of God (Spirit), him (flesh an blood) shall God (Spirit) DESTROY: for the TEMPLE of God is Holy, which TEMPLE ye are.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who (flesh and blood) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God (Spirit), or that is worshipped, so that he (flesh and blood) as (a flesh and blood) God sitteth in the TEMPLE of God (Spirit), showing himself (flesh and blood) that he (as flesh and blood) is God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the the Kingdom of God.
Flesh and blood defiles the TEMPLE of God ( 1 Corinthians 3:17), so God is going to DESTROY IT.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And when that Wicked (flesh and blood) shall be revealed (by the truth of God's Word), who the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth (word of God), and shall DESTROY (flesh and blood) with the brightness of his COMING (the new creation, CHRIST IN YOU).
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE of it.
The word says we are God's temple; BUT, the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are TEMPLE of it (YOU).
Flesh and blood no longer exist, we are a NEW CREATION, the exactness of OUR FATHER.
The OLD HEAVEN has passed away, all things have become NEW.
God Bless YOU!
Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth, (this will come to pass at the second resurrection, back to their flesh, TO JUDGEMENT) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of Life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundations of the world.
Isaiah 26:9 ...and when thy JUDGEMENTS (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psalms 149:9 To execute on them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this honour hath all his saints.
We will either be the JUDGES bringing the world to righteousness, or we will be the JUDGED, learning righteousness.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU ......
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (Christ in YOU) and a NEW EARTH (where RIGHTEOUSNESS will DWELL), for the former HAD PASSED AWAY.
These scriptures teach there is neither heaven or hell, as taught by the traditions of man.
God Bless YOU!
To GIVE BIRTH, to the new creation, created in the likeness of Christ, you must go through BIRTH PAINS; tribulation.
Everyone in the last 2000 years that has been BORN AGAIN; after you leave this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, have gone through TRIBULATION; birth pains.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before we should SUFFER TRIBULATION, even as it CAME TO PASS, and ye know.
Mark 13:24 In those days (in your flesh), after THAT TRIBULATION (birth pains, ending in the death of the body), the SUN shall be darkened, and the MOON shall not give her light.
You leave this body of flesh (raptured), having victory over death by the resurrection of Christ, BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT.
Revelation 21:23 An the city (you) hath no need of the SUN, neither of the MOON, to SHINE in it, for the glory of the Lord doth lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day (the day of the Lord, when you are BORN AGAIN into the LIKENESS OF CHRIST)....ye shall be GATHERED ONE by ONE ......
God Bless YOU!
"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right" ( Genesis 18:25)? This is a great comfort to those of us with loved ones who have passed into eternity and we are not sure of the destination of their souls. God is a sovereign Judge of righteousness, full of grace and mercy to all who call upon Him. It is His very justice that offers a "way" for all to escape the judgment of His righteousness, and it is in that justice that we must rest. It is grace that saves us, and it is grace in which we must stand when we go through the double grief of the death of an unsaved loved one. We must remember that we cannot make this choice for anyone else, and if they went into eternity without Christ, that was their choice in spite of the offer of grace.
Although we may have pain in the remembrance of that loved one while we are in this life and go through the grief process, there will come a time when each born-again believer will be with the Lord. In that day "God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away" ( Revelation 21:4). We cannot comprehend how that will be because we live in time and are constrained by our finite minds. However, just the thought of that is enough to bring comfort and encouragement. When we see the Lord, all of the sorrow we have now will disappear. "You now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you" ( John 16:22). In the meantime, we can lean on the everlasting arms of God, who feels our pain and comforts us with His great love and mercy.
Mishael: again, trust Gods judgment. Ask Jesus to help carry this pain for you. Come back here for fellowship. You see how much we do care and respond.
John 11:2,
This, Psalms 2, seems to me, to point to JESUS The MESSIAH, Promised one the one Savior to save all mankind, who will believe, Psalms 2:2
Psalms 2:7, look at JESUS during His baptism, Mark 1:11, Matthew 3:17, & Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5,
Psalms 2:8, JESUS when He was taken to the high place to be tempted, Matthew 4:8-10,
Psalms 2:2, when the rulers, the kings set themselves against Him, Acts 4:25-27, Luke 4:18,
JESUS coming to HIS own people, rejected by them Isaiah 53, Matthew 21:37-39,
Revelation 21:7
Hope this helps clarify
1 Thessalonians 4:13 - But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Ecclesiastes 3
I'm 70. Been to some funerals. My generation is passing on, but those of us left can leave some hope with our young people just carving out their futures.
People like me, have seen a lot, done a lot and still have more time left. Do you have time for me or for the aged relatives in your life? I would LOVE to sit at Isaiah's feet and hear what he saw in chapter 1. I would like to get inside Paul's head in the days he was blinded by seeing Jesus on that Road. Every time Jacob got through something impossibly hard, he would build a pile of stones and leave the memory there. I have lots of questions_still.
It's good to ask questions, dig like an archaeologist in the Bible. Sift out every detail you can.
Evangelize. Pass on what you've sifted out of the Bible. Tell the Stories like Jesus did.
It's not right for the elderly to die with their stories still untold. Those are bricks we lean on, when life sends humanquakes. I'm taking my stories to heaven. There'll be billions I can tell them to :)
Likein the 60's we didn't ink up our bodies with tatoos. We used washable paint and went swimming after. It was fun. We waded in fountains. Racism was taught by politicians. We didn't segregate our paint & swim parties.
Church picnics were not segregated. I ate everyone's chicken! I hate what America has become. Jesus didn't teach it either. If only we would follow Jesus!
The Israel of OLD believed in God.
Even devils believe in God.
But the Israel of OLD didn't believe the words of God.
The Israel of NEW have the same problem, they don't believe the words of God.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me.
Romans 5:10 For if, WHEN WE WERE ENEMIES, we were RECONCILED (already completed) to God by the death of his Son ......
1 Corinthians 15:28 ....and GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
Revelation 21:8 .. the UNBELIEVING and ALL LIARS.....shall have their part in the LAKE OF FIRE.
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue Satan, which say are Jews (born again), and are not, BUT DO LIE ........
God Bless You!