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  • Landry - In Reply - 9 months ago
    AMEN Brother Ronald:

    You are correct: Daniel is a prophecy of Christ, not antichrist.

    Most don't understand the abomination that maketh desolated. It was SET UP the same time the daily sacrifice was destroyed .... Daniel 12:11

    Hebrews 3:9 But Christ a Son over his own HOUSE, whose house we are .....

    Matthew 23:38 Behold your HOUSES are left unto you DESOLATE ....

    All men DIED, their house (BODY) was left desolate, no life, dead on the cross, then CHRIST ONLY arose.

    All men arose a NEW CREATION; joint HEIRS of Christ, the body of Christ, the life now the SPIRIT of GOD.

    Most don't understand the GREAT TRIBULATION.

    Matthew 24:22 And unless those days be SHORTENED, no flesh should be SAVED ....

    Christ and ALL MEN DIED on the cross, three SHORT days latter, ALL MEN were made ALIVE by the RESURRECTION.

    ALL the wrath of God, that ALL MEN deserved, was POURED OUT on Christ, that was the GREAT TRIBULATION, three short(en) days, for the elects sake.

    The same things is pictured in Revelation, all the 7 plagues and 7 vials had to be poured out before ANYONE could enter the TEMPLE, God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE .... Revelation 21:22

    Revelations 15:8 ... NO ONE could enter the temple, until the seven plagues were fulfilled ......

    God bless you!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hi.

    That take you have seems familiar.

    Here's a few things in your post that puzzles me.

    Your Quote;

    Revelation 21:1

    And I saw a new heaven, and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth (old covenant)

    Are you saying the first heaven and first earth is the old covenant? If so how do you define covenant?

    Continuing-

    were passed away; and there was no more SEA (whores, peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues)

    Then you continue on and state that

    All men DIED (were destroyed) on the cross with Christ, the Old Law of sin and death was crucified on the cross and the New Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus was RESURRECTED. END QUOTE.

    Are you supporting this doctrine where all men from Adam on throughout history is saved and there is no Hell?

    And by the way, I believe the seas in scripture is often used as the Gentile nations.

    Thanks.
  • Landry - 10 months ago
    Revelation 17:15 The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (this is all men, all creation).

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven, and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth (old covenant) were passed away; and there was no more SEA (whores, peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues)

    All men DIED (were destroyed) on the cross with Christ, the Old Law of sin and death was crucified on the cross and the New Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus was RESURRECTED.

    Revelation is the REVEALING of Jesus Christ.

    Only one BODY arose at the RESURRECTION, you are joint heirs of Christ resurrection. Christ ONLY hath immortality.

    1 Timothy 6:19 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY dwelling in the LIGHT (presence of God) ...

    1 Corinthians 15:54 .... this mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY ......

    Romans 8:29 Whom he did foreknow (he foreknew ALL creation) he did also PREDESTINATE (by his resurrection) to be conformed to the image of Christ (being raised together as ONE) ...

    God bless you
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Heaven Part 5

    There are details about the heavenly city appearing on earth such as in Psalm 48. This shows the fear of the kings of the earth; and would represent a Millennium event. In earlier posts I have discussed how we will rule much like David under Christ who will be the supreme authority during the 1000 year reign. There are other verses about the earth and its peoples which could encompass promises of either the Millennium or eternal Kingdom.

    I have said before that the eternal nature of the earth seems to be proven by several verses and I had thought that was true about the sun and moon but Psalm 72 seems to indicate otherwise. It would seem to show the end of it at the end of the Millennium; no doubt part of the catastrophic destruction at the time. Ecclesiastes 1:4 and several other verses seem to indicate that the earth in some form remains forever. As to exactly how the new universe will be; or if anything exists other than heaven and a new earth is rather mysterious; however. It is very frightening to think of the lake of fire as being what happens when the elements (or atoms) are dissolved in 2 Peter 3:10; perhaps the lost are in an eternal body that is reduced to some strange broken down elemental state. Revelation 22:15 seems to indicate they are just outside the gate. Somehow it would seem that they are infinitely far away from the saints at that time; however as there will be no more crying on our part as Revelation 21:4 shows.

    These changes no doubt will cause the sea to vaporize; hence no more sea ( Rev. 21:1). All in the sea will die in the Tribulation anyway (except that brought to life in the Dead Sea); see Revelation 16:3; and Ezekiel 47:10 with surrounding verses on that context. Again in heaven we shall behold Him and see His marks as Thomas did; the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 had eternal ramifications. We ever shall be reminded of what He did for us.
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Heaven Part One

    Recently a book on the subject (apparently there were several) was studied in small group; in this case one by Randy Alcorn. There were some questions on one of his video shorts and not total agreement; nonetheless other segments and much written in the book seem scripturally solid.

    What we see in scripture shows how saints of God will; at least after the Tribulation and what I believe eschatologically to be the Millennium (and certainly for eternity afterwards) be ruling and reigning on earth. The difference will be in the New Jerusalem being above earth rather than on earth as happens in Revelation 21. I will note that it is the New Jerusalem; not the entire planet or place where heaven is that comes to earth. It would seem that would remain somewhere else. Ezekiel 1:22 seem to suggest an expanse of ice; M.J. Agee seems to think the location is identifiable. For the sake of avoiding unnecessary controversy I will keep the basic premise that it is somewhere beyond our physical universe.

    The key; again is scripture; Jesus stated that "you know where I am going." ( John 14:4-6). The issue where was that they had seen God in Christ who was a member of the Trinity and always did the Father's will. How to get there of course is through the narrow gate which all but the son of Perdition could enter of the 12 Disciples ( Matthew 7:13-14). This is perhaps the biggest point that needs to be hammered home. Other than believing in a literal heaven as being a priority we also need to realize that only by His righteousness can we pass from death to life and most will take the wide road to destruction. That necessitates elimination of any universalist sentiments. I have stated before the concept of 2 Corinthians 7:10 where godly sorrow brings repentance rather than the type Judas Iscariot had as to sadness on the consequences of his actions. Peter showed true repentance because he knew He had betrayed the Son of God who he truly loved.
  • Nstew - 10 months ago
    Revelation 21:14

    "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

    Given what happened to Judas, who would be the 12th apostle in this context?
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 10 months ago
    JRay, Suffering is not normal. when Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) created the earth,

    his motives was for man and woman to take care of the earth. to enjoy his

    creation, to take care of the animals. to enjoy the richness that the earth provided.

    he created the ground to give in abundance, so that poverty was impossible. God

    started the earth in the garden of Eden. Jehovah and the heavens was his the main

    authority to mankind according to Genesis 1,2. there were no kings, rulers in the beginning.

    But this happened to mankind: Genesis 3; Genesis 6; Genesis 19; Job 1,2; Luke 4:1-13

    it just getting worse and worse. 2Timothy 3:1-7

    It's a heavenly war, and a invisible war ( Revelation 12:7-13) we humans may not understand but God has revealed it to us in human terms. although the innocent are dying because of 1 John 5:19. WE KEEP THE HOPE AS GOD WANTS US TO: Romans 15:4-6; Revelation 21:3-5

    We continue in the hope. Job 14:14

    IF YOU READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES YOU WILL SEE WHY MANKIND ARE SUFFERING.

    I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 97:1 - 11 months ago
    Psalm 97

    Verse 1 indicates the "multitude of isles" being glad when the Lord reigns. This term has been said to refer to the Gentile nations or the outermost parts of the world. Ezekiel 39:6 and Isaiah 41:5 seem to refer to these parts of the world during the Tribulation with Isaiah 24:15 giving a prophetic indication that even in the fires God will be glorified.

    Verse 2 on clouds and darkness are similar to Solomon's description of God in 1 Kings 8:12 similar to other passages.

    Verse 3 through 5 show the affects on the earth of His coming. We are reminded of 2 Thessalonians 2:8 as well as the battle of Armageddon.

    Verse 4 reminds us of Matthew 24:27 when the Son of Man comes as to His appearing.

    Verse 5 shows us similar references to Psalm 68:2 among other places.

    Verse 6 shows as things are now; God's presence evident to all as we see indicated in Romans 1 and Psalm 19. Man will see His glory when He comes to rule in the Millennium.

    Verse 7 shows that finally idol worship will end when Christ comes back. People will eventually cast forth their idols of gold and silver during the Tribulation judgments as Isaiah 2:20. Perhaps some of that sadly will occur because Satan himself will demand worship and that will eliminate worship of any false gods but also the true God with the mark of the beast sealing people's fate.

    Verse 8 shows how Judah and the remaining nation of Israel will rejoice; which will happen when He is returning as Zechariah 12:10 indicates. Verse 9 shows the majesty of God unparalleled.

    Verse 10 shows how saints are delivered; either from or through disaster.

    Verse 11 reminds us of His light and no longer a need for the sun and moon from Revelation 21:23 but also found in Isaiah 60:19.

    Finally the last verse talks about rejoicing of the righteous and thanks at remembrance of His holiness. Good sentiment for all times or dispensations and the age to come.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hope this brings you Hope and Endurance: Matthew 6:9,10; isaiah 33:24; Psalm 37:9-11; Revelation 21:4,5
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 11 months ago
    so sorry to hear this. hope builds endurance. Revelation 21:4,5
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Hi GiGi,

    Hope you and your husband are well, thanks for your reply, I agree Jesus will return bodily not as a spirit, the glorified body in which He was resurrected, as we will be resurrected, Phil. 3:20-21. This mortal must put on immortality, our spiritual body,

    1 Cor. 15:44-53.

    I know it will be amazing to see Him face to face and as we see in Revelation 21:22-23 the new Jerusalem on the new earth will not have a temple and no need for the sun or moon for light, for God and the Lamb/Jesus will be the temple and the light. John 17:5 I don't know if our minds can even imagine what that glory is, or what it looks like, but we will know when we see Him.

    I wanna be there, don't you?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    2 Peter 3:9

    This passage indicates that God is not slacking concerning His promise in regard to the day of the Lord. This would be indicative of a number of promises.

    First of all; this would be the immediate reception in heaven after our resurrection or rapture when we would be glorified; and recieve the reward for our service or lack thereof throughout our earthly sojourn. As I have repeated many times; Revelation 3:11 warns us about another taking our rewards; and that comes after the verse immediately preceding about the Philadelphia church escaping the trial which will come upon the "whole world."

    Secondly; we have the whole Body of Christ which returns as the armies of heaven along with Christ in Revelation 19; and rules and reigns with Christ in Revelation 20 during the Millennial period (and also throughout all eternity in the new heavens and earth in Rev. 21.)

    Thirdly; we have the physical changes on the earth and the restoration of the animal kingdom with the WOLF laying down with the lamb (not the lion as is a common misnomer but that is certainly possible as well in verses such as Isaiah 11:6). The final change in Revelation 21 will involve once again as was in he beginning one land mass with the removal of the sea.

    Finally; of course we will have Satan's restraint and after the 1000 years final punishment. Perhaps this is the most underappreciated aspect of the change. After all the art of war will no longer be pursued at this point ( Micah 4:3). What the enemy would love to reflect in today's world system is the external glamor of earthly gems and jewels; physical beauty; power; influence; control; hypnotic trance through music; media; drugs and whatever means an "equal opportunity destroyer" would fathom to blind men to the truth will be gone; the veil lifted from their eyes ( 2 Cor. 4:3-4). This evil has caused all creation to groan ( Rom. 8:22); along with the accumulated sin and decay of a fallen creation awaiting restoring.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 1 year ago
    LESKA,

    I think the answer can be found in Revelation 21:1.
  • Sixten Alin - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Do not be like the preterists, who do not believe in God and his report but turn to themselves and the truth to fables. God has declared the beginning of the end and the end of this age (that is the new beginning; with the new heaven and the new earth). This shall be an everlasting kingdom, and nothing shall enter into it that defiles it. And there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor pain, for these former things are passed away. "And he said to me: "It is done! I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the fountain of the water of life. He that overcometh shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." - [ Revelation 21:6-7]

    And this is true because it has been given to us in these last days according to the testimony of the holy angels and John, but it is his word that is faithful and true.

    Expect no less, for truthfully the kingdom of heaven is not yet established here on the earth. Romans 14:17 by definition; God's kingdom is spiritual; Righteousness, joy, peace in the Holy Spirit, not mead and drink.

    Luke 17:20-21; "And when he was asked by the scribes and the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor shall they say, Look here or look there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (We cannot see it but is within us now; as we already know).

    Appart from this, The kingdom of heaven is physical. Be it on earth or in heaven.

    John the Baptist always preached; "The kingdom of heaven is near!" Jesus also said that the Jews should repent, because the kingdom of heaven is near and was, for Jesus himself had come down, in so manner that they might know the times and the seasons and so that they would seek to know him.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 1 year ago
    Hello Skyler. According to Revelation 20:11-15, hell (in Greek, Hades: the abode of the departed spirits), will not last forever. In that very last day when all are judged by God (at the Great White Throne judgement), all those who have died & not found written in the Book of Life, would be found guilty before God & cast into the Lake of Fire. Not only them, but "death & hell" as well, as there would no longer be any need for them, since sin will be no more as Satan himself will be consigned to that fiery Lake (v20) & with him all who have rejected God & His Son Jesus Christ. So, there will be a day when hell will be emptied out & removed altogether, but the Lake of Fire will exist for eternity in the final judgement of those who rejected God's Love.

    And Jesus spoke of this final place in Luke 12:4,5: "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." Here the word for 'hell' in Greek, is 'geenna or gehenna', which is different from the (temporary Hell/Hades). And this place (Gehenna) is the final place of eternal torment; but those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life ( Revelation 21:27) will live eternally with God & His Son, with the host of Heaven, on the new Earth in the New Jerusalem where there will be no more sin & Satan to deceive mankind.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sikheto:

    I suppose your referring to:

    Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates, and the water thereof was dried up, that THE WAY of the of the kings of the east might be prepared.

    Revelation is very, very symbolic, so we have to try to understand what the symbols represent, in their relation to the kingdom of God, YOU becoming the image of Christ, ONE with the WORD.

    Angels are messengers send by the spirit of God, so this angel is pouring out God's message on the Euphrates.

    The Euphrates (symbolic) is a river, a river is water, and another scripture in Revelation says:

    Revelation 17:15 ....the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sits, are peoples and multitudes, and nations and tongues ......ALL mankind, unfaithful to there creator ..... from lack of KNOWLEDGE ......

    All God's words are for each person in this sea of humanity, so when God's message (the spirit of truth and life) is poured out on YOU, YOU began to come to TRUTH and become a faithful wife, TRUTH in you, instead a wife of another, LIES and DECEPTION in you.

    THE WAY (Christ is truth, life, and the way) of the KINGS (Christ is King of Kings) is prepared ....and when Christ has FINISHED HIS WORK IN YOU, there will be:

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth (a faithful wife; baptised in truth and life) ...and there was no more sea ....peoples, nations, tongues: WHORES; Christ WORDS have OVERCOME lies and deception.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jimbob:

    You have to come to TRUTH that YOU, sinful flesh DIED on the cross, YOU no longer exist, Christ; ONLY, the BODY of the spirit of our Father, was RAISED; BY INHERITANCE YOU, also became the BODY (MANKIND is that BODY) of the Spirit.

    1 Timothy 6:16 Who ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light, which NO MAN can approach unto ...

    1 Corinthians 12:27 ....you are the body of Christ .....

    Are YOU the TEMPLE OF GOD, or is the Lord God Almighty, and the Lamb the TEMPLE OF IT, and YOU become ONE by HIS RESURRECTION and Christ GAVE YOU an inheritance, by sharing the SAME BODY: Revelation 21:22?

    Ephesians 4:4 .....ONE body .... ONE spirit .....

    1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal MUST put on IMMORTALITY (Christ ONLY hath immortality)

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the NEW creation) a BODY as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his (the Father's) OWN BODY (Christ is the BODY of the FATHER).

    God BlessYOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply on James 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Teresa.

    I would like to add to what Gigi has already shared.

    You asked, "WHO is the CAUSE of suffering ?

    I believe the cause of suffering goes back to the Garden of Eve.

    All of God's creation was effected by the fall.

    We suffer physically and emotionally.

    And we suffer persecution because of our new birth.

    We have a sin nature in this EARTHY TABERNACLE.

    Romans 5:12 says "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and SO DEATH PASSED UPON ALL MEN, FOR THAT ALL HAVE SINNED:

    Look at Romans 8:18-23.

    For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

    8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

    8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

    8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    8:22 FOR WE KNOW THAT THE WHOLE CREATION GROANETH AND TRAVAILETH IN PAIN TOGETHER UNTIL NOW.

    8:23 AND NOT ONLY THEY, BUT OURSELVES ALSO, WHICH HAVE THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, EVEN WE OURSELVES GROAN WITHIN OURSELVES, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.

    We see what it will be like when all God's creation is redeemed in

    Revelation 21:1-4.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • A Child of God - 1 year ago
    Sacha Revelation 21:1

    "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." God is going to create a new Heaven and a New Earth! Our time does not end in Heaven! We have a glorious ETERNITY to spend with our Saviour on EARTH!! The NEW EARTH! I pray this helps!
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 10 - 1 year ago
    Hello Caleb,

    Genesis 2:15,16,17, Genesis 3:1-6, skipping parts Genesis 3:14,15, between the seed of Serpent - Revelation 20:2,

    John 8:34, 1John 3, Romans 5, John 3:16-21, James 1:5, Proverbs 8:17,

    Example, simple Salvation "GOD save me" many times in life threatening situations, & many times HE has. Psalms 18:3, Psalms 107:13, Psalms 44:7, Luke 18:42, Psalms 34:6,

    Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 2, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Psalms 139,

    Romans 10:13, context Romans 10, Everlasting Salvation, Isaiah 45:17, Acts 4,

    1John 3:14, Job 38:17, Revelation 20, Psalms 49, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Romans 5, Revelation 21,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 75 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 75.

    Once again; we see Asaph as he does quite often give a prophetic statement as to the fate of the earth in the end with several cross references of interest.

    Verse 2 seems to be a veiled reference to the Rapture; or possibly those who are Jews that believe and survive to the end of the Tribulation in the reference to "when I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly. (see 2 Cor. 5:10; Exodus 20:35-38 in the context of Exodus 20:34 as a future event of gathering from the nations).

    Verse 3 reminds us of heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21:1-4 and Matthew 24:35).

    Verses 4 through 7 remind us of the "little horn" ( Dan. 7:8) who is Antichrist himself. God allows Satan and his throne in the Tribulation to suit his purposes; ultimately to separate wheat from chaff; and to draw everyone together at Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).

    Revelation 14:10 is much like verse 8 referring to the "wine of the wrath of God". That theme is also seen in Jeremiah 25:15-17; and similar themes in Isaiah and without a doubt in other scriptures.

    Again the end of this Psalm shows that only praising God is worthwhile (v. 9) and right wins out in the end. That is basically a big theme in all of scripture; the meek shall inherit the earth ( Matt. 5:5).
  • T Levis - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 21:24, Psalms 85,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • GiGi on Leviticus 15 - 1 year ago
    Leviticus Chapter 15 continued

    No, we enter heaven with a resurrection body that us our earthly body purified, changed to be incorruptible and immortal, freed from the sinful nature, and completely restored to the perfection of Adam and Eve before the fall.

    This chapter reminds me that we all needed to be cleansed by the washing of the word and the blood of Jesus to be acceptable in the sight of the Father. We should not want to bring our filthy bodies, soiled clothing, nor stained handiwork to present ourselves before God. The bathing in this chapter reminds me of the cleansing power of the Word, the washing of the clothing reminds me of the white raiment of Christ's righteousness we are clothed with, and the cleansing of any of our handiwork reminds of doing every work unto the glory of God.

    The Israelites were instructed how to be cleansed in such a way to stand in the tabernacle before God. The idea of being unclean until evening (which is the beginning of the new day for the Israelites) reminds me that whenever we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from sin, thus starting anew just as the Israelites could start their new day clean before God having completed the requirements of this chapter. Behold, I make all things new! ( Revelation 21:5)

    "even so let us walk in the newness of life" ( Romans 6:5) just as Jesus was raised to life from the dead.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Amos 3 - 1 year ago
    Here are scriptures you can study, 1st asking for wisdom: James 1:5, Exodus 25, Exodus 26, Exodus 27, Exodus 29, Exodus 30, Exodus 35, Exodus 36, Exodus 38, Exodus 37:25,26, Exodus 38:2, - Exodus 40, Leviticus 1, Leviticus 3, Leviticus 4, - Leviticus 12, - Leviticus 16:33, - Leviticus 26, Numbers 1:53, Numbers 3, - Numbers 4:23, ( Luke 3:23 ) Luke 4:30, Numbers 4, Leviticus 16:18, = Hebrews 8, Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10,

    1Kings 6, 1Kings 7, 2Kings 11, 2Chronicles 3, 2Chronicles 4, Ezra 3, Isaiah 6, Ezekiel 41, Zechariah 6:12,13, Revelation 11, Mark 15, Matthew 27:51, Matthew 27, Psalms 118:27,

    Mark 11, Luke 1,

    Revelation 21:22,

    Hopefully these are all helpful in your study & search for answers
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Revelation 2:12-29.

    Part 1.

    We know spirit of the world is prideful and causes partiality obviously racially and also economically. "That is the world" A carnal or false Christian will hide this in their heart also. When we see a Christian slip into this, we should talk to him in a way scripture tells us to.

    When we see the world do what it has been doing since the world began and will continue until Christ return, we shouldn't act surprised and use the opportunity to open scripture.

    "Pergamos". Pergamum ("married") - from the Greek word pergamos, which is a combination of two Greek words: pergos and gamos. These words combine to mean either "citadel" or "united by marriage.

    You will find the world has influenced Church because they joined it.

    I have visited 3 different types of churches. A predominantly white church. A predominantly black church and a mixed church. I have seen the same level of partiality in all 3 Churches from a leadership position. This obviously can stunt the spiritual growth of a church.

    What is sad is that don't necessarily define the lukewarm group.

    That represents the Cold members, probably the false Christian. However, this group can probably be reached easier than the next group.

    This is the group that don't say anything because they like the numbers, position, praise or just don't have that fight in them or don't care. these numbers, praises, and comfort cause them to say I'm in need of nothing. Therefore, this group love their Lukewarm comfortable position.

    How do we witness to a world that doesn't fill they need to change, Afterall what can we tell them if we look and sound the way they do? They look for a president, ruler or Government to change the world.

    We're looking for Revelation 21:1-4.

    Some hold the view the millennium kingdom has already started and it up the church to prepare the way before Christ returns.

    That is not a view I hold but we are not getting into that here.

    any help or comments welcomed

    see Part 2
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    1John 4:18, Revelation 21:6-8, 1John 4:1-3,

    Do you believe John 3:16 ? Do you believe GOD can heal? Do you believe GOD can change everything? Do you believe man who spoke those words over you, or GOD ALMIGHTY that created you!? Be Healed be delivered

    Trust GOD

    James 1:5, Romans 10:17, James 4:7, Luke 11:9-13,

    Nick 34, You're saying only when you pray or read the Bible; the scripture says pray without ceasing 1Thessalonians 5:17. Lay the word on your heart & in your soul, bind on your hand, in front of your eyes, to talk about them often, with your children when sitting, walking along, when laying down, the WORD of GOD, Deuteronomy 11:18-20, Psalms 119:11,

    Is it a spiritual attack to keep you from reading, praying & learning of a Loving Creator our Loving Father in Heaven? Or is it the HOLY Spirit bringing conviction of sin? If it's not peace that is present, your relationship needs work, possibly. Even Isaiah a Prophet of GOD, had to repent to be close to GOD's presence: Isaiah 1:6, These should be helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Lies & deceit : Leviticus 19:11, Psalms 5:6, Psalms 55:23, Psalms 58:3, Psalms 63:11, Psalms 101:7, Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 19:5,9, Jeremiah 9:3-9, Isaiah 59, Micah 6, Colossians 3:9, Revelation 21, Revelation 22:15,

    Relevant today : Ezekiel 13:22,23

    Acts 5:1-10 in context Acts 4:32-37, continued into Acts 5,

    Wisdom about : Proverbs 14:5-25, Proverbs 29:12, John 8:42-44 in context John 8,

    Psalms 40:4, Isaiah 63:8, Zephaniah 3:13,
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sorcery : 1Samuel 15:23, 2Chronicles 33:6, Galatians 5:19-21, Isaiah 47:9-15, Isaiah 57:3-21, Malachi 3:5, Acts 8:9-24, Acts 13:6-8, Revelation 9:20,21, Revelation 18:23,24, Revelation 21:7,8, Revelation 22:12-15, read all in context

    I guess it can be described as simple opposition to GOD, "rebellion is as witchcraft " leading into much worse.

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Revelation 21. In ancient times, cities had gates along the walls that surrounded them for protection. They were the only places where one could enter the city. At nights they were often closed and guarded. So if one wanted to enter Jerusalem he had to go through the gates. Jerusalem here symbolizes the new Jerusalem, the saved saints of all times, of all nations. The 12 gates represant the 12 tribes of Israel. Salvation is due to Jesus' sacrifice. Israel had to precede so that the Saviour comes to the world through that nation and offers His life for the salvation of mankind.

    And if we like to go a bit further we can consider that that city also symbolizes the unification of God's people. The church can not be considered without the nation of Israel and Israel can not be considered without the church. Two different worlds united in one. They can not exist separate from each other. Israel was a nation created by God and kept the faith in the real God for 2 th years from Abraham to Jesus. But next is the church that will keep the real faith for the next 2 th. years until Israel is saved at the very end. But Israel precedes and the church follows. Both they owe to each other and primarely they both owe to God.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 21 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 21 continued

    As we enter into verse 8; we have the first of several statements as to the fate of the wicked.

    It is hard to even bear thinking about these things without pleading to God for strength. We notice the cowardly state as being the first sin mentioned. We can't do it without the Lord as Peter attempted to do with bravado without the Spirit. Without Him we can do nothing. As we see a parallel verse in Isaiah 66:24 we see the state of man either in hades during the Millennium or during the eternal state. We see how God's mercy and forgiveness are only for when they are in this life; and we also see how they will be an abhorrence to all that see them. There is no way to overstate here how important hearing God's voice is at the present above all of life's distractions and temptations and comforts. I can't see how anyone no matter how mature they are in the Lord isn't broken when considering these things; and ever grateful that God saved them from this unspeakable horror.

    The rest of the chapter basically describes heaven coming down to earth and it's dimensions and foundation stones. Again; as stated previously when we consider the affect of a city almost the size of the moon landing on the earth surely the edges would be pressed out and likely the mantle would expose itself to the surface which would allow lava (i.e. the lake of fire) to be outside the gates. We see this also in other verses where Christ warns that heaven will be seen but "you yourselves thrust out" ( Luke 13:28).

    There will be some existence of kings on the earth; whether it symbolizes those of the church or those perhaps who lived through the Millennium period bringing glory and honor into it. The doors are not shut day and night (implying that even if the light of the sun and moon aren't NEEDED they still may exist). Again; the last verse is a terrifying reminder that unsaved people will not enter or be able to. They are locked forever in sin.


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