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Revelation 21 KJV Bible discussions
  • Ferdinand Malemo on Malachi 4
    There is a difference between the SUN and the Light. Genesis 1:3, 1:14-17. Revelation 21:23, Revelation 12:1-2. MINISTRY OF THE TWO ELIJAS

    Many have stumbled over the Ministry of John the Baptist and Malachi 4:5-6. For some reasons:

    They do not know their ministries;

    John the Baptist Ministry:

    1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

    Malachi 4:5-6 Ministry:

    Malachi 4:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Similarities in these ministries

    John The Baptist Foreran the First Coming of Jesus Christ.

    Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Matthew 11:9-10

    Malachi 4:5-6 Foreruns the Second coming of Jesus Christ.

    Matthew 17: 11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Revelation 10:7


    John the Baptist was he voice of one crying in the wilderness.

    Mark 1:3

    The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John 10:41

    Malachi 4:4-6

    His ministry was to carry the Gift of Divine healing and Revealing the mysteries hid in the bible before the second coming.

    Malachi 4:2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. JOEL 2:31, MALACHI 4:6, REV 10:7

  • T. Levis - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Hopefully these are helpful.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-58

    Luke 16:22-26

    Hebrews 9:27

    Revelation 2:11

    Revelation 20:4-6

    Revelation 20:12-15

    Revelation 3:3-5

    Revelation 21:10-27

    1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
  • Messenger - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Ed on Hebrews 9

    How do you get to heaven?

    You are replying to a comment by "Ed"


    Matthew 22:14

    Revelation 14:3 144,000 (only taken from the earth Matthew 20:23)

    1 Corinthians 15:42-44

    Revelation 20 (Only one can be president and only a few

    can be co-rulers. when Jehovah/ Psalm 83:18 choses a person...no one can steal that

    away (not family, friends or acquaintances etc.). only that person can decide if they want to receive the invitation of reject it. Mark 10:17-31)

    Earth: Isa. 45:18

    2 Peter 3:13

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34

    John 5:28,29

    Revelation 21:3-5

    Luke 23:42, 43 (Earth will be a paradise again

    just like the days of genesis 1,2)

    Matthew 11:26-30 (Jesus will comfort those remaining on earth)

    Hope this helps
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    Page 1.

    Brother Ronald. Thank you once again for your comments. I agree, whether Ignatius, Polycarp or any other succeeding them, even the Apostle Peter himself, can all be found in error in some doctrine or teaching ( Galatians 2:11-14). Though, my point was in their belief in the Deity of Christ.

    To your references on the Trinity 'fallacy': Revelation 21:22. God is Spirit - the Spirit of God is within the Godhead - the Lamb (post resurrection) is in His glorified State, as the Incarnate Word of God made flesh & now in Glory. Jesus is no longer the Word of God within God's Being, but His Word made flesh, risen & reigning at the Father's right Hand.

    1 John 2:22-24. You seem to be well studied brother. Then you would know that 1st John was written explicitly to confront the errors of Gnosticism (& other false teaching) that were running rampant in the Church. The discussion begins from verse 18, concerning the many 'anti-christs' in the Church, deceiving the believers by their lies & corruption of accepted apostolic teaching. The prevailing Docetic (an off-shoot of Gnosticsm) heresy was that "the incarnation was incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, as a body of flesh".

    Then in the reference you gave, the question from John is, "who is a liar?" The liar is that one who has come to you denying the incarnation, saying 'it's impossible for a Holy God, Who is Spirit, to unite with sinful flesh by having a Son: "but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". This would have reference not only to the Jews that deny Jesus as their Messiah, but certainly to those who went by the name of 'Christian'; they who denied either His proper Deity, or real Humanity, as Ebion and Cerinthus, who were denying Him to be the God-man, the Mediator, & the Messiah. (cont'd).
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on John 1

    Thank you so much for your time in answering me. It has been a while, but what I do remember, Ignatius was implemental in setting up the appointment of bishops and their authority, I feel this is what Jesus was referring to in Revelation about Nicolaitanes. What I remember of Polycarp, he was against the teaching of the immortal soul and idol worship.

    I understand the main debate was Jesus being created and not divine but they went too far. When Christianity went out some of the word meanings were influenced by Greek philosophy like the meaning of death it came from Plato, it was the separation of the soul and the body, and Aristotle wrote: "All things are true, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods;

    The trinity doctrine says the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are co-eternal and co-equal, scripture does not support that to me. If so, why are not all three the temple in ( Revelation 21:22)? When I was studying one day I came to this verse and it stood out like a magnifying glass was in front of it. ( 1 John 2:22-24)

    I'm sure you have a different understanding, but I feel if I say Jesus is God I am denying the Son, it is the Son and the Father, and when we make them one, we deny the Son and the Father. I know this is a subject that many will not even discuss and it is considered heresy not to believe in this doctrine, and I thank you for your reply.

    I assure you I am not of Gnosticism as some of the posts on here. Your kidney analogy was pretty good, your kidney is part of you, it will always be your kidney, but you gave it to save someone. God gave a part of Him, not created by Him, but out of Him to save you and me. Your kidney is part of you, it is from you, the same DNA, but after you take it out of you can you say it is you?

    I will ask you a question I have asked before, can a person receive salvation and be a Christian without believing in the trinity?

    God bless you and the work you do.

  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Donna, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You will never understand the Word of God without putting ALL the Words of God together. And even then the Holy Spirit has to explain it to you.

    Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (the Holy Spirit) will SPEAK TO HIS PEOPLE.

    It takes LOTS OF TIME and STUDY to even begin to understand. Most people just believe what other people tell them.

    Revelation is a book that has been SIGNIFIED ( Revelation 1:1) meaning the word (such as heaven) represents something other than its meaning as given in a dictionary.

    Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven ....Now we know heaven represents something other than its definition in a dictionary. It takes other verses to Know what it represents.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven ...

    Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has COME unto YOU.

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon WAS CAST OUT (of heaven)(out of you)....You are the NEW HEAVEN ( Revelation 21:1) where GOD dwells. Colossians 1:27

    Revelation 12:10 Now is come SALVATION ....

    Luke 10:18 And he said unto him, I saw SATAN as lightning FALL FROM HEAVEN (from within YOU).

    Revelation 12:10 Now is come SALVATION, and POWER, and THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD ....

    To understand the third killed in Revelation, you have to understand Ezekiel 5:1-5 and Zachariah 13:8-9 and Malachi 3:2-3
  • Messenger - in Reply
    You are replying to a comment by "Glenda Faircloth"

    Regarding your question about Death? Some Reasons

    1. Genesis 3; 2 Samuel 11; 2 Timothy 3:1-7

    2. Ecclesiastes 9:1-12 (Chance OR accidents)

    3. Matthew 24:6-12 etc.


    John 5:28,29

    John 3:16,17

    Revelation 21:3-5
  • Earl Bowman
    Sister Shawna, may CHRIST IN US grave us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Christ is the MAN ( Ephesians 5:23), we (the church) are the WOMAN ( Galatians 3:28).

    Christ is the TEMPLE (church)( Revelation 21:22).

    Christ (the Spirit of LIFE and TRUTH) lives IN US ( Colossians 1:27); therefore we become the TEMPLE ( 1 Corinthians 3:16), ALSO.

    We (the woman) are not to teach in the church (ourselves); but, the MAN (Holy Spirit) is to be our teacher.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Spirit) which you have received of him (Christ) abideth in you, and you need not that any man (only Christ, the Holy Spirit)) teach you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as he hath taught you, abide in him (the WORD(S) of GOD).
  • Messenger - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Hello Daniel nice to meet you:

    Sorry no tribe of Dan.

    These symbolic tribes made Mary and joseph available

    OR chosen to take care of the promise seed; Jesus Christ. Matthew 1; Revelation 7:4-8

    by means of these tribes 144,000 will be chosen from God himself (from earth 50ad-?) to share as Jesus helper in Jehovah's ( Psalm 83:18) coming Kingdom. Revelation 20

    However, the Dan tribe and many others also mentioned in Matthew 1 did not share in the baptism of holy spirit. ( Acts 1&2 Chapters). so therefore, they have a privilege of being

    resurrected back to earth in the

    coming kingdom. Revelation 21:3-5

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34; Matthew 6:9,10
  • Messenger on Revelation 1
    replying to a comment by "Whiteley leith mckinney"

    soon under Christ rule. those who buy homes will build and own them.

    there will be no loans, leases, Rent nor bills etc. Those who want to sleep outside

    in peace...this will be a option also.

    Isa 65:21, 22; Mic 4:4; Psalm 72:12,13

    Revelation 21:3-5; 20th chapter
  • Messenger - in Reply on Revelation 1
    replying to a comment by "Whiteley leith mckinney"

    soon under Christ rule. those who buy homes will build and own them.

    there will be no loans, leases, Rent nor bills etc. Those who want to sleep outside

    in peace...this will be a option also.

    Isa 65:21, 22; Mic 4:4; Psalm 72:12,13

    Revelation 21:3-5; 20th chapter
  • Messenger - in Reply
    Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy (Your) face shalt (should) thou eat bread, till thou (You) return unto (to) the ground; for out of it wast (was) thou taken (taken): for dust thou (you) art (be or are), and unto (to) dust shalt thou return. (Dust you should/shall Return)

    So the Dead returns to Dust. But again Jesus will judge the Dead. And resurrect the Dead. Back to their original human self. Back here on earth. John 5:28,29; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:3-5

    Hope this helps
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Revelation 11
    Karl McGuire sr.

    Hey Karl my understanding is, may someone else have another view. John was given a vision of the new earth and where we will be, and in verse 10 we are told the time is at hand. Our time on this earth is short like in ( James 4:14), and we may not be here tomorrow and at death that's it, the door is shut there is no redemption after death. The righteous will still be righteous and the wicked will still be wicked. Verse 11 is a warning and a call for those that have not repented and excepted Jesus as their savior and time is running out.

    We are all naturally unjust, and filthy because of sin in us, some of us have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. A righteous man is only righteous by the righteousness of Jesus. After the thousand years and judgment, only the righteous and holy will walk through those gates into the New Jerusalem, and verses 11 and 15 are those outside that are cast into the lake of fire, as we see in ( Revelation 21:8).

    Dogs were not looked on as we look at them today, they were mostly wild cruel unclean filthy animals highly disliked, Jesus associated a woman of Canaan with dogs, but nothing unclean will enter the city. We have a choice, eternity with God and Jesus in beautiful new earth or the lake of fire.

    God bless,

  • Messenger - in Reply on Isaiah 46
    Yes, Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) prophesied or was revealing to Isaiah about Cyrus ( Isaiah 44:28)

    he (King of Persia) helped rebuild Jerusalem ( Daniel 10:1). yes, if a prophecy hasn't yet happened... it will happen; and it will be fulfilled and accomplished. ( Isaiah 46:10,11)

    Fulfilled Prophecy:

    Destruction of Jerusalem 70 c.e ( Luke 21:5,6; John 4:21)

    Unfulfilled Prophecy:

    Revelation 18&20 ( 1John 5:19; Revelation 12:7-12)

    Revelation 21:3-4

    Revelation 22 ( Matthew 24:14; Daniel 2:44)

    Hope this helps
  • The Messenger - in Reply on Revelation 1
    Revelation was written and represented in signs. meaning using people, persons (Warning examples of wicked people and their actions) to describe the message. for example, according to Revelations 6:1-8:

    1.The Red Horse: Peace taken from the earth.. They will slaughter one another (Civil wars, the deadly war WWI & WWII etc.)

    2. The Black Horse: (Famine The Great depression etc.)

    3. The pale Horse: Deadly plague...The Grave/Death ( 1918 influenza pandemic, HIV, Flu, Common cold,

    Covid-19,Delta variant etc.)

    Why is the world in critical condition?

    Satan was hurled down from heaven and is misleading nations rulers and kings:

    1 John 5:19; Genesis 3; Genesis chapter 6 and 9;

    Luke and Matthew 4; Ephesians 6:11-13; Revelation 12:7-12;

    2 Corinthians 4:4

    What is the result of Satan the devil's influence:

    2 Timothy 3:1-7

    Matthew 24

    1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Ephesians 5:5

    What will Jesus do since his father gave him all authority?

    ( Matthew 24:14;28:18-20)

    1. Revelation 11:15;20 Chapter

    2. Revelation 11:18

    3. John 5:28,29; Revelation 21:3-5;22 Chapter

    Who is law for?

    1 Timothy 1:8-10

    2 Timothy 3:16,17

    john 17:3
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    They have to make Jesus their Lord and Savior. He sheds his blood over our sins. They must have their names RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF LIFE. Priority number one.

    Revelation 20:12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    Revelation 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Revelation 21:27 - And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

    Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the BOOK OF LIFE was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 3:1-6 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (Read More...)

    Revelation 20:11-15 - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    Luke 10:20 - Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (The Book of Life)

    Exodus 32:33 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

    Psalms 69:28 - Let them be blotted out of the book of the living (Life) and not be written with the righteous.

    Malachi 3:16 - Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Melody, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    God is SPIRIT.

    Christ is SPIRIT (God) with a (glorified) BODY.

    SPIRIT is TRUTH (cannot be deceived).

    SPIRIT is LIFE (cannot die).

    WE are FLESH.

    FLESH is against (anti) SPIRIT.

    FLESH is against (anti) TRUTH.

    FLESH is against (anti) LIFE.

    Christ came as FLESH, Christ died; and with his death ALL FLESH DIED, Christ (through the power of SPIRIT was resurrected), when he was resurrected ALL FLESH was resurrected (most are dead in UNBELIEF (trespasses) not knowing TRUTH.

    The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) IS DEATH.

    The wages of GO AND SIN NO MORE (BELIEF) is LIFE and TRUTH (born of SPIRIT).

    Those that come to know TRUTH (born again of the SPIRIT; which is TRUTH AND LIFE, the first death and first resurrection) will NEVER DIE they will leave this BODY of FLESH and be given the (glorified BODY of CHRIST).

    John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

    Christ (Spirit, Truth, Life) is IN YOU. You are the NEW HEAVEN.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven.....

    Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the (temple, Christ is the temple) tabernacle of God is with (WITHIN) men..

    Revelation 21:22... for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE of it.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU ....

    1 Corinthians 3:16 ....ye are the temple (ONE IN CHRIST) of God (SPIRIT).

    Truth (Good)(Spirit) overcomes deception (Evil) (Flesh).

    Truth will make you a full brother to Christ. SPIRIT with a (glorified) BODY.

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they die ANY MORE (you died with Christ); for they are equal to the angels (MINISTERING SPIRITS), and are the children of God (Spirit, truth, life), being the children of (CHRIST'S) resurrection.

    Revelation 14:13 Blessed are they which DIE IN THE LORD (Spirit, Truth, Life) from henceforth....
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Janet, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The temple IS NOT a temple made with wood and stone (and built on the temple mount in Israel).

    Revelation 21:22 And I saw no TEMPLE (in new Jerusalem) therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the TEMPLE of it (new Jerusalem).

    The Father and Son ARE THE TEMPLE (of new Jerusalem).

    When you are born again; the Father and Son, NOW come and live in you (new Jerusalem the Holy City).

    When you become the body that the Father and Son lives in (CHRIST IN YOU Colossians 1:27); then you become the TEMPLE.

    2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the TEMPLE of God with idols (the works of man)? for ye are the TEMPLE of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them (the garden of God), and I will be their God, an they shall be my people.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 No ye not that that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth IN YOU?
  • Walter kirk on Revelation 1
    Mishael, then perhaps you could show me an answer to this verse John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his[their] belly[heart] shall flow rivers of living water" [Jesus was talking old testament scripture]

    in case others wonder about why this question has anything to do about Revelation see Revelation 21:5&6

    5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Dianne, food for thought:

    You commented, God is perfect he cannot produce something not perfect that's where I think in between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 the rebellion in heaven could have happened and lucifer came down and screwed things with the other angels that rebelled.

    I thought God, through Jesus, created ALL THINGS. Since he created lucifer and lucifer sinned, then lucifer wasn't created perfect. This is what other verses say:

    Romans 8:20 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF was made subject to VANITY, NOT WILLINGLY ..

    Romans 9:21 Hath the potter not power over the clay, or the SAME LUMP to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour.

    God' word says he did not make everything perfect in the beginning, BUT he through the REBIRTH of everyone by SPIRIT will make ALL THINGS PERFECT. IN HIS appointed time; eternity has a lot of time.

    Maybe Revelations account of Satan falling from heaven represents something different and at another time.

    Revelation 1:3 ...for the TIME IS AT HAND

    Doesn't seen those words would apply to something that occurred back in Genesis.

    Revelation 1:1 ....An SIGNIFIED it ...

    Sounds like Revelation represents; through WORD SYMBOLS, things that mean something other than

    what a dictionary would define them as.

    Matthew 12:38 But if I CAST OUT devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (Christ in you) is come unto you.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven... (maybe heaven SIGNIFIES something)

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT (of heaven)..

    Jesus said he cast Satan out of YOU

    Revelation said out of heaven. Could heaven SIGNIFY YOU.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (where CHRIST IN YOU, dwells). SIGNIFIED.

    Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 1
    Hi Dianne.

    When I say create, God brought nothing into something!! Whether you call him Lucifer, The Serpent, The Devil, Satan, Angel, or Cherub. Whether he turned Good to bad or bad to Good, ( In the beginning he didn't exist.) If there was no Lucifer there would be no Devil.

    The question wasn't " Did God create the attributes of the Devil"

    Lucifer was cast down "From his glorious position" and so did many other Angels, At onetime they didn't exist and God spoke them into existence.

    Colossians 1:16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether they be THRONES, or DOMINIONS, or PRINCIPALITIES, or POWERS: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, and for him:

    ALL of creation, this World we live in now is nothing like it was when it was created. We only know of it post Adam sin.

    Man is flesh, Sinful, unholy, ( The opposite of God, )

    We are born descendants of Adam. Someday we will be like Christ.

    1 John 3:2. (NOT GODS.)

    1 Corinthians 15:45-49 . And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    The world we know will someday be destroyed, and the Heavens,

    All creation will be redeemed, There will be a new Heaven and earth. Revelation 21:1.

    This creation will be known as the creation of old,

    Did God create both the old and the new?

    Yes he did.

    God bless.
  • Brian R. on Revelation 21
    ( Revelation 7:14-15) The first resurrection:

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

    ( Revelation 21:3-7) The second resurrection:

    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of Godiswith men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them,and betheir God.

    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    "One of Us" comes full circle:

    Genesis1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

    Genesis 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us...
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 21
    Hi Dgjot.

    As promised I would like to elaborate a little further on your great questions.

    I think we covered your 1st question, "Does that verse apply to the unsaved exclusively, or does it apply to the "saved" (but somewhat backslidden)?

    You said you have wished terrible things on wicked people and Quoted I felt this heaviness weighing on me. It would not go away. I was terrified. My waking thoughts were of damnable things. I asked God every day, "What is this? Why do I feel this doom and gloom?" You seem to have a heavy heart behind those thoughts. This sounds like everyday struggle in a Christians life providing he or she is a believer regardless of the severity of the sin. Concerning the struggle it sounds like Paul in Romans 7:23-25. Link

    You stated "Why would Jesus keep sticking up for a habitual sinner like me?" I don't know your spiritual condition but from what you have shared I supposed the habitual sin is the damnable thoughts you mentioned earlier.

    Dgjot a habitual sinner in my opinion was never a saved person. But I'm not sure you fall in that category.

    You mentioned a friend of yours told you to read Romans 8:1. And you read that verse many times. to put it into context for your situation you may have to take it from Romans 7:23-25. thru Romans 8:11.


    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, ( who walk NOT after the flesh,) but after the Spirit." This is done by the spirit.




    By the death and resurrection of Christ we wasn't just justified we were sanctified and being sanctified and some day be Glorified.

    Revelation 21:8 has nothing to do with a believer loosing his salvation.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 21
    Hi Dgjot.

    Let's consider verse 7 this is one Group that did accept Christ.

    Revelation 21:7.

    He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    These in Revelation 21:8 never accepted Christ

    Revelation 21:8.

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    Here's a parallel.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

  • Dgjot on Revelation 21
    Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

    Does that verse apply to the unsaved exclusively, or does it apply to the "saved" (but somewhat backslidden)?

    I'm thoroughly confused. For years I believed in "once-saved-always-saved" but I don't any more. Neither do I believe that if someone has prayed the "sinners prayer" once, that they are always saved- either.

    The verse says the fearful...unbelieving...murderers... shall have their share in the Lake of Fire.

    I've never taken a life (murdered) but often I've wished death on the wicked. So much so that for weeks I felt this heaviness weighing on me. It would not go away. I was terrified. My waking thoughts were of damnable things. I asked God every day, "What is this? Why do I feel this doom and gloom?"

    God gave me an answer.> In having those wicked thoughts, I caused the Holy Spirit to grieve.

    I told a friend of mine what I was feeling and she told me to read Romans 8:1

    "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

    I've read that verse many times. I was a C.I.N.O. (Christian-in-name-only) When I read my Bible, I only read the "feel good" verses. I thought that no matter what I did, Jesus had me covered. Why would Jesus keep sticking up for a habitual sinner like me?

    Most of my sins are in my head: I think of doing things that I would never actually do in real life. But, you can't fool the Holy Spirit of God.

    Is it too late for me? Am I doomed?
  • Rachael - in Reply
    Hi Adam,

    I understand your frustration and I feel the same way. In this world, nothing saddens me more than unbelievers and how it makes God feel.

    Ephesians 4:18

    They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

    2 Corinthians 4:4 important

    In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    People's Bible Notes for 2 Co 4:4

    The god of this world. See Joh 12:31,40 Php 3:19. Satan is called the prince of this world, and the god of this world. Hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. By his devices he blinds the eyes of men so they should not see the light of gospel. The image of God. He who would see God may see him in the face of Christ. See Joh 14:9.

    Revelation 21:8

    But as for the cowardly, the "faithless", the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

    2 Corinthians 6:14

    Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

    Hebrews 3:12

    Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

    Hebrews 12:14

    Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

    John 3:18

    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

    Hebrews 11:6

    And without faith it is impossible to please him for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
  • Henry - in Reply on Revelation 13:16
    If you are not an Israelite you can not sin as the laws were not given to you, neither can you enter the kingdom of Heaven. It's only for the House of Israel, 12 tribes. I am happy to show you in the scriptures

    1 John 3:4 whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is transgression of the law.

    Moses gave the commandments to the Israelites when they came out of Egypt: the house of bondage. No other nation have been given the laws. You can't break laws you were never given.

    Psalm 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

    Psalm 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

    Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

    Above this scripture describes the

    outer perimeter of the kingdom as seen in a vision by John the Revelator. 12 gates for twelve tribes guarded by twelve angels.

    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Read John 8:32 Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
    On Google, type in this:

    Revelation 21:1 Bible Commentaries

    Most all of the commentaries are by "famous" Bible scholars. This website has a commentary link too. Generally by Matthew Henry or Orioles Bible.

    Or do the same thing and type in History, or Meaning or Teaching
  • Gilee
    Revelation 21:1_5 it talks about new heaven and new Earth and the Heaven and Earth passed clarification please...
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Zechariah 8
    Trudy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    He who is born of the flesh is flesh, he who is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT.

    Does SPIRIT need clothes, streets to walk on, houses with rooms to live in, windows to look out of, doors to go through, sun to give light, food to eat, water to drink.

    Behold all things have become NEW.

    You want exist as you do NOW.

    You become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST (fullness of Deity), who only hath immortality (life with no end).

    Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God,unto a perfect man, unto the measure and stature of the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.

    Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be FILLED WITH ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

    Which is his body, the FULLNESS of him that filleth all in all.

    Colossians 1:29 For in him dwelleth all the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery...CHRIST IN YOU....

    John 3:13 No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).

    Luke 17:21 .....THE kingdom of GOD is WITHIN YOU.

    Revelation 21:1 You are the NEW HEAVEN

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