Discuss Revelation 17 Page 4

  • D W L - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Pamela - We are all called, but few are CHOSEN, Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Revelation 2:10 be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    And they that are with him are called-chosen-faithful, it will take every word not just what we prefer.
  • D W L - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and FAITHFUL.

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Richard Estrada

    I did not mean to imply what you listed was wrong, but I guess a lot of it did not go along with what you posted, I do apologize. The countries you listed may come to be, but I do not know or try to figure out what countries will be involved.

    As far as what I can say about the future, I feel it will be different than what many teach. I believe, as far as the countries that will be united with the beast we will not know until they are set up. I believe the beast is not a country but an angelic being from the bottomless pit along with the false prophet, with the power of Satan who will rule over those countries and the world.

    When Satan is cast down all changes, what that will look like who knows but it will not be pretty.

    Babel and Babylon are the same but translated differently, Babel was the start of sun worship, the host of heaven worship, and sanctified prostitution and human sacrifices. Babel started what God was constantly dealing with Israel, the gods of the countries around them.

    So, my feelings are that Babylon at the end times must have similar religious attributes because of what is said in ( Revelation 17:6), ( Revelation 18:24) and ( Revelation 19:2) whether the blood and deaths of the prophets, saints, and martyrs of Jesus are from the beginning of Babel or during the 3.5 years of tribulation, that is if this Babylon carries out the punishment for not taking the mark, because many of us if we are still here, will face death.

    This is probably not what you are asking for, sorry if not. If I may suggest something, not saying I know anything but it may help if you want to study it. ( Luke 21:20-24) you listed in your first post you said if the U.S. was taken out it would be easy for Israel to be invaded, true but, when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Nisan 10 He cried and said, ( Luke 19:41-44). You may decide Jesus, in both cases was talking of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, not end times.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

    Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

    Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

    From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

    1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

    Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

    Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

    Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

    Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

    Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

    1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

    Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.
  • OSEAS - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    S SPENCER

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    About Genesis 1:v.2, will be the readers think or imagine the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the H2O? or waters according Revelation 17:v.15?
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 2 years ago
    NORMAN

    Well, the battle is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - A SATANIC TRINITY

    And the angel of the Lord said- Revelation 17:v.15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Scripture is clear:This quoted verse reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule the nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems (catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among many others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    By the way, the new NAME of SATAN in the current time of Apocalypse is Dragon.

    Rev.12:v.9-10 - 9 And the great DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT,called the DEVIL,and SATAN,which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD:he was (will be) cast out into the earth, and his messengers(2Cor.11:v.13-15) were(will be)cast out with him.

    10 NOW (yes,NOW,ONLY NOW) is come salvation,and strength,and the KINGDOM of our GOD,and the Power of His Christ...

    Revelation 11:v.15-18

    The kingdoms of this world(WORLD OF DEVIL)ARE BECOME the KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD,AND OF HIS CHRIST;and he shall REIGN for ever and ever.

    16 And the four and twenty elders,which sat before GOD on their seats,fell upon their faces,and worshipped GOD,

    17 Saying,We give thee thanks,O Lord God Almighty,which art,and wast,and art to come;because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,and hast reigned.

    18 AND THE NATIONS WERE(WILL BE)ANGRY,and GOD's wrath is come,and the time of the dead,that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto HIS servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear HIS name, small and great;and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 2 years ago
    JESSE

    Yes, certainly I am the first , but as is written in Isaiah 48:v.6 and 7:

    6 Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.

    7 They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold,I knew them.

    And Paul Apostle wrote:1Cor.2:v.9-11:

    9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.

    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.

    11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    Well, the battle is against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - A SATANIC TRINITY

    And the angel of the Lord said- Revelation 17:v.15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Scripture is clear:This quoted verse reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule the nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems (catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among many others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    By the way,the new NAME of Satan in the current time of Apocalypse is Dragon.Rev.12:v.9-And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers(2Cor.11:v.13-15)were cast out with him.

    10 Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the Power of His Christ...
  • Dianne - In Reply on Revelation 17 - 2 years ago
    Thought this website was focused on sharing Gods Word not giving personal judgement on individuals or government. Biblically there is no world government that operates according To Gods Word, even the body of Christ doesn't operate according to whats written look at Ephesians. One God one lord one body one faith basically also to walk in Gods love a lot easier said than done. Just giving a perspective
  • Pam J - In Reply on Revelation 17 - 2 years ago
    God I pray you lead our government to pray for forgiveness. Praying on bended knee to you Lord Almighty to humbly and honestly ask for your guidance & mercy. I know it is their will to do so Lord maybe they need a bigger push.
  • Scotty on Revelation 17 - 2 years ago
    US & Russia constantly riding, threatening each other, tit for tat:

    "President Biden warned President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Friday that time was running out for him to rein in the ransomware groups striking the United States, telegraphing that this could be Mr. Putin's final chance to take action on Russia's harboring of cybercriminals before the United States moved to dismantle the threat."

    "Mr. Biden's challenge to Mr. Putin could pose a major credibility test in coming weeks - and further escalate a Cold War-like series of confrontations between the United States and Russia" NYT 7/9/21

    Revelation 17 is playing out right under our noses. Preconceived notions are deeply tattooed on the DNA. Not knowing the times we live in will push the apocalypse right through you, as if you were a child.
  • OSEAS - 2 years ago
    Pope Francis may or even must die very soon (I wrote this 4 days ago to JUAN DIAZ here) and then will be elected a new Pope, and this will be the last Pope, most likely he will assume the nickname Paulus VII (Paulus Septimus). Revelation 17:v.10- And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    Revelation was written around year 95AD, but the fulfilment of the apocaliptical prophecy would begin after the death of the fifth king (Paulus V) and the sixth king be elected- Paulus VI. Here goes:

    Paulus V-( Paulus Quintus) 16 May 1605-28 Jan 1621 (15 years, 257 days)

    Paulus VI-(Paulus Sextus) 21 June 1963-6 Aug 1978 (15 years, 46 days)

    NOTE:

    We are in the year 2.021 in accord Christian calendar. The fulfilment of prophecy of Revelation is very advanced in the time, today we can and MUST say that the above 6 of the 7 "kings" have fallen, it means, they already died.

    Paulus VII-(Paulus Septimus) This seventh"king"and LAST POPE is not yet come; and when he cometh, he MUST continue for a short space, i.e. 42 months or 1,260 days, no more, as it is determined by the Word of God, the Word is God. It is he who will rule the FIRST HALF of the last week of Daniel 9:v.27- Revelation 13:v.5.

    We are speaking of the book of Revelation, a former sealed book that was with God and He gave it to JESUS, for only He could break the seals. About the book of Revelation, the angel of the Lord said and John did write, as follow:

    18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book the seven seals.

    In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 2 years ago
    About comment of "Mystery Babylon"

    You are right. Associate America to Babylon, as the mother of the earth's prostitution and abominations of the earth - Rev.17:v.5 - and as the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus - Rev.17:v.6- and that America sits upon a scarlet coloured Beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns; - OH this theory is deceptive, a diabolical fantasy, it is a satanic theory, it is a false interpretation of the Scriptures, it is the Devil's tares.



    Revelation 17:v.1 and 7 and 15-18

    1 - Come hither; I will shew unto thee the Judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

    7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the Beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

    15 The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    16 And the ten horns (10 KINGS) which thou sawest upon the Beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

    17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the Beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    The revelations above that JESUS delivered to his angel for revealing them to John in Patmos, they have nothing to do with America. To preach the contrary saying Babylon is America it is doctrine of demons, the Christians which believe in that doctrine believe in demons, MINISTERS of Satan as is written in 2 Corinthians 11:v.15. Check it out.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    OSEAS,

    Please, I do not want to cause or start a debate because similar has been taught for many years, this is just to point out a few things you may look at in your study.

    The seven years come from Daniel 9:27, if that prophecy has been fulfilled what does that change?

    In Revelation 12:17 the original text, the dragon (Satan) is standing on the sands of the sea after he is cast down permanently to earth with no more access to heaven. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Does that change the scene? Peaceful it will not be.

    In Revelation mainly there are Satan, the beast, and a false prophet. From long ago there were angels that left their estate and were locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit. We are told in ( Revelation 9:11) the king of the bottomless pit is in Hebrew Abaddon, in Greek Apollyon both meaning destruction the same meaning as perdition like son of.

    In Revelation the beast comes from the bottomless pit, ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8) With this in mind, do these verses imply this beast being a man?

    The word sea can symbolize peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues, it can also refer to the Mediterranean Sea, also the abyss, and the bottomless pit.

    I hope you take this well, it is just something you may look at in your studies. If you still feel confident in your interpretation that's ok. There are things we will not know until they happen and as long as we are watching, we are ready, our faith is strong, we walk in the Spirit of truth, we stand for Jesus, and we are prepared for what we may have to face, even if it is death.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Quoted:>>>Mishael

    The war in heaven took place before the book of Genesis.

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; the dragon fought and his(evil) angels,

    8 And prevailed not;neither was their place found any more in heaven. Regarding the verse 7 above, the angels(messengers) of the current time or time of Apocalypse, actually followers of the Dragon-Satan- are not those which GOD "hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this Great Day - the Lord's Day - but the fallen angels(messengers) of the Churches, MINISTERS of Satan - 2 Cor.11: v.13-15:

    13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS also be transformed as the MINISTERS of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



    ---> The Dragon-Satan- has 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his heads.

    The battle is against this SATANIC RELIGIOUS MONSTER, the 7 heads are 7 mountains, and the 7 crowns refers to 7 kings( Revelation 17:v.9-10, right?).

    The 10 HORNS are more 10 KINGS ( Revelation 17:v.10), which have received no kingdom as yet; but will receive power as KINGS one hour with the Beast (the Beast of sea-Rev.13:v.1-10).

    13 These (10 KINGS) have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the Beast.(to the Beast of sea)

    14 These (the Dragon, the Beast of sea, the 10 KINGS) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them.

    We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Eph.6:v.12

    --->Heaven?In what heaven are we now according Eph.1:v.3?

    Heavens?2Pe.3:7
  • Osas Ramos de Siqueira - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Greetings, S Spencer

    THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    Revelation 16:v.13-16

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. - The Lord's Day -

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Why do Scriptures highlight these spirits as frogs? Why frogs? This is an interesting mystery. Here goes what was revealed unto me about this deep mystery.



    You all know that, in general, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live between the aquatic environment and the terrestrial environment.

    THE AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

    Bringing the true assertions above to the spiritual side and for our understanding according Scriptures, we need to quote first Revelation 17:v.15, that says:

    15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    As we can see, the verse 15 above shows us, or rather, reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems(catholicism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    The biblical interpretation above is about spirit like frog that infested waters according Revelation 17:v.15.

    What is THE TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS?
  • Osas - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sea refers to many many waters. Revelation 13:v.1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    And waters mean; peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues

    Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    No sea;

    Revelation 21:v.8 - 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    On the other hand: Luke 20:v.35-36

    35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: (no sea)

    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
  • Earl Bowman on Revelation 17 - 2 years ago
    Sons of God in the next age

    May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (sons of God) which thou saweth upon the beast (mount of Esau) these (sons of God) shall hate the WHORE (those raised back into SINFUL FLESH), and shall make her desolate, and naked, and shall eat her flesh and, and burn her with (spiritual) FIRE.

    Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their (new) hearts to fulfil his will (all men will be save), and to agree (with his will), and to GIVE THEIR KINGDOM (Christ in you) unto the beast (those resurrected back into sinful flesh), until the words of God be fulfilled (ALL WE WORSHIP, OBEY, AND SERVE GOD).
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 2 years ago
    Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, not having the Spirit.

    1 Peter 2:8 ...even to them that stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto they were APPOINTED.

    God is assembling a specific group of people in this age. The Priest that are going to rule, reign and judge the rest of the world in the ages to come. If you weren't CALLED (my sheep here my voice) to this glory then you were appointed to wait till the manifestion of the Sons of God. Since it is God's choice and not ours, God want condemn those for eternity that were not chosen to be Priest. They will be judged latter in US and CHRIST.

    Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building you yourselves on you most holy faith (Christ is our faith), praying in the Holy Ghost,

    Jude 1:21 Keeping yourselves (by Christ) in the love of God, looking for MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life (I am the life).

    Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

    Jude 1:23 And others save (teaching truth) with fear (respect unto God), pulling them out of the fire (Christ judgement in spiritual fire, just as effective as literal fire)(teaching them knowledge of God's plan), hating even the garment spotted with flesh.

    Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns (Sons of God, power through Christ) which though saw on the beast, these shall hate the whore (unfaithfulness), and make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with FIRE,

    Revelation 17:17 For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL (all men will be saved), and give their kingdom (Christ in you) unto the beast, until the words of God (all will worship God) shall be fulfilled.

    God bless
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Victor, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    EVERYTHING from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 has HIDDEN in it TRUTH of SPIRIT.

    The Spirit of God wrote these words; therefore, the WORDS ARE SPIRIT.

    MOST only see them as thing that are natural, never growing to maturity in God's word.

    YES, definitely Genesis 1:6-8 has a hidden meaning that is SPIRIT.

    Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which though sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    These are waters under heaven.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery, CHRIST IN YOU...

    These are the waters above the heaven.

    1 Corinthians 15:38 But God hath given it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

    1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies (above heaven), and bodies terrestrial (below heaven, earth): but the GLORY of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Nehemiah 8 - 2 years ago
    Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The old heaven and the old earth are symbols of the Old Covenant. The new heavens and new earth are symbols of the NEW COVENANT. The sea is also symbolic of:

    Revelation 17:15 .... The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea (remember Abraham was told the people would be as the sand of the sea), and I saw a beast rise out of the sea (multitude of peoples).....

    WE all start our lives under the power of the prince of the air (Satan; serpent of the sea).

    Isaiah 27:1 ....even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

    Revelation 21:1 ...and there was no more sea (Satan was defeated at Christ resurrection ,the NEW Covenant.

    Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men....

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU?

    1 Corinthians 15:55 O Grave where is thy victory? Accomplished at the NEW COVENANT.

    Revelation 1:3 .....for the time is at hand....Fulfilled at Christ death and resurrection.

    Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet..... But now we see not YET all things put under him.

    We are in the DAY OF THE LORD. One day; that hasn't been completed YET.
  • Simon - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 2 years ago
    Pat,

    The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.

    The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:

    1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones ( Daniel 7:20).

    2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 ( Revelation 17:20).

    3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia ( Revelation 13:3).

    4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) ( Ezekiel 38:4).

    5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" ( Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.

    6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard ( Isaiah 24:20).

    7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.



    8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around ( Isaiah 24:1-16).
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    Phil, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    CHRIST'S rule upon earth is not done from the natural Jerusalem existing in Israel east of the Mediterranean Sea; it is done through NEW JERUSALEM described in Revelation 21.

    Revelation 21:22 And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are THE TEMPLE OF IT.

    Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was offered ONCE to BEAR THE SINS of many; and unto them that (the SPIRIT causes) to look for him shall he APPEAR THE SECOND TIME (second coming) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.

    NEW JERUSALEM is ruling NOW. You can live in NEW JERUSALEM NOW.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH (born of the SPIRIT): for the First heaven and the first earth were passed away (died on the cross with CHRIST);and there was no more sea (that the beast came out of). Revelation 13:1

    Revelation 21:2 And I John saw (in vision) the holy city, New Jerusalem, COMING DOWN FROM GOD (SPIRIT) out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN (CHRIST IN YOU Colossians 1:27)

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLETH IN YOU.

    Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice (Holy Spirit) out of heaven saying, Behold, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, and HE SHALL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF (SPIRIT) shall be with them (and in them), an be their God.

    WE SUFFER in THIS FLESH; until this flesh dies, and we are given the BODY OF CHRIST.

    1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have PUT ON incorruption, and this mortal MUST PUT ON immortality.

    1 Timothy 6:16 ....Who ONLY hath immortality.....

    Luke 1:69 ..raised up a HORN of salvation...

    Revelation 17:16-17 and the ten HORNS (saved) ... shall hate the whore, and shall make her DESOLATE and NAKED, and shall eat her flesh, and BURN HER WITH FIRE.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    It would have been nice to converse with you about this if you could have answered the simple questions I asked you.

    God Bless.
  • Barnum - In Reply on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    Jesus is exactly who God said he is . Do you believe it ?
  • Rev Ed Sullivan - In Reply on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    There have been many throughout the years that have made claims that the RCC is the "false church" referenced in the bible.

    While there is no direct evidence of this, there are many compelling theories.

    I hold no ill will towards the RCC followers, however I will say that the RCC as an establishment has a questionable and dark past.

    For an entity that is supposed to represent G_D's will on earth, I can't quite see how a history of oppression and systematic destruction of all who question or have a difference of opinion can be reconciled with his will.

    I am not an expert on the subject, by any stretch of the imagination but even I can see they are at odds with G_D's true word.

    Then again I have issues with organized religion as a whole. Anytime you take something pure and add human nature and money into the equation it gets corrupted.

    Religion is no exception, Over the centuries it has been twisted and bastardized to fit whatever narrative man has needed it to in order to get other men to follow the "rules".

    Whatever those "rules" were at that particular time period.

    Fear has always been a great motivator, and there is no greater fear then going to hell for some people.

    The RCC has the "Hell and damnation" market cornered, over the years they have become de-facto experts on using the fear of those to keep their followers in line.

    Inventing a "devil" in order to do that wouldn't be out of line for them, but then again they are the only ones with the evidence and they aren't talking.

    I digress, this is just my $0.02 so take it for what it's worth....or maybe we could ask Dan Brown for his expert opinion. (
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    Hi Barnum,

    You stating "if you add to who Jesus Christ is then you create another Jesus, another gospel and another Spirit". That's pretty vague. Could you please be a little more decisive in what you mean?

    Also as you basically condemn "if you add to Jesus Christ". What happens if you take away from Him?

    What is this "new doctrine that is made by men and false"?

    Thank you for your time.
  • Barnum - In Reply on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    1 John 4.15

    If you add to who Jesus is then you create another Jesus and another gospel , another Spirit .

    Jesus is the Son of God as declared so many times in the bible by God and Jesus and many others .

    Without God dwelling in the believer, it's impossible to understand just how deep being the Son of God Is .

    Therefore a new doctrine is made by men and false .
  • Roden on Revelation 17:5 - 2 years ago
    Mystery Babylon , she is a spiritual mother of harlots .

    The RCC is the mother and the harlots are other false churches that hold to her doctrines .

    It's only mystery to those in it , and it's world wide .

    The true believer is called to come out of her .

    The primary doctrine is the Trinity doctrine that is totally not found in the bible and has no basis for evaluating a persons relationship with God .

    The true believer believes that Jesus is the Son of God .

    The Antichrist churches can not except this as true doctrine but add to it in many ways and corrupt themselves in do doing .
  • Dan Sharon Kastrup on Revelation 17 - 2 years ago
    My helpmeet & I have been discussing Israel & covenant promises made starting in Gen 1 and overlaying the Japheth branch of, literally, human history that end results where the USA is located on the earth. The influence of Cain is manifest as 12 "reserve" branches of the "fed" as it capitalizes America to keep a money loving world satiated with dreams of wealth. 1632 characters left will barely scratch the object/subject...
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 2 years ago
    Part 1 continued:

    ( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people,...smite therefore upon thy thigh. "smite therefore upon thy thigh" is reference to Jacob wrestling an angel for the birthright he obtained from a hungry Esau, for a bowl of lentil soup. Wrestling the angel permanently injured Jacob's thigh ( Genesis 32:24-25). Seen as our "Jacob's time of trouble"; the great tribulation.

    God made both Gog and Esau "small" and "despised "( Obadiah 1:2) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

    ( Daniel 11:23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

    ( Matthew 24:21-22) For then shall be great tribulation....

    ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The falling away is the abomination of desolation.

    ( Mark 13:14) ( Matthew 24:15)

    ( 2 Peter 3:10) (Mathew 3:11)

    ( Amos 5:18) ( Amos 5:20)

    ( Daniel 11:31)

    ( Revelation 17:16-17)

    ( Daniel 9:27)

    ( Jeremiah 51:53)

    ( Revelation 18) vs 20 ...for in one hour is she made desolate.

    ( Revelation 18:9-10) ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. ( Ezekiel 18:26)

    ( Daniel 12:6-7)

    Israel (house) is notably attacked [from the south to the north]:

    ( Ezekiel 21:2-4) And say to the land of Israel (northern kingdom),...therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh [from the south to the north].

    ( Ezekiel 20:46-47) ....Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree:...and all faces [from the south to the north] shall be burned therein.

    ( Isaiah 21:1) ....As whirlwinds in [the south pass through]; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land (Gog's land)

    ( Job 37:9)

    ( Isaiah 24) "Day of the Lord" aftermath.

    ( Revelation 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed...


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