Discuss Revelation 17

Revelation 17 KJV Bible discussions
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on 2 Thessalonians 2
    Hey Clois,

    I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.

    We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.

    In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).

    In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.

    In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.

    Hope this helps,

    God bless,

  • Joy
    The Bible has been clear since a child being told learn the prayers as Jesus said, Psalms 23, Matthew 6:9-13. We are too suffer to turn to love God and follow his Son and live righteously and follow the 10 Commandments. (Leaving God for your own way does not work.) The Word comes alive and the Holy Spirit leads into all truth. Yes the Rapture will come 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a twinkling of an eye the trumpet will sound and the dead will rise and we are changed (we being His). The Holy Spirit came and we are freely offered to be one with the Lord. Matthew 24:27 For as lightning coming out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of man be.

    Why would Jesus followers and worshippers of God be left to suffer in tribulation when we are already changed. My guess is without insult is the Rapture non believers need to study more. The more I dug in with reading the Bible, praying on knees and going to church the more I heard the voice of the Lord. As a child I noticed after memorizing the prayers I heard His voice and he put on me to believe every word of the Bible. I knew never ever argue with the Bible, the Spirit fed me that always. You have to believe to feel or hear the Spirit confirm. The Bible comes alive when you know who you belong too. The Spirit has never once pointed out do not believe this verse. God is love and he wants you to love him, honor him, obey him. He wants to save you and he wants you to be ready for Jesus coming for his very own, we will meet the dead and the Lord in the air, 1 Thess4:17. Then when Jesus returns to wage war we will be with him. When you know God you know his promises to never leave you nor forsake you. When heaven opens and the Lamb of God comes to wage war, he will accompanied by his called and chosen and faithful ones, Revelation 17:14. Any doubt in your mind then work on being called and chosen and being a faithful one. Do right in His sight and believe. GBY
  • ELB - in Reply on Psalms 23
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast in to the sea, and a THIRD PART of the sea became blood.

    Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters (seas) which thou sawest, where the whore setteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of a mountain made without hands ....

    Hebrews 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, and unto a company of innumerable angels.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits, his ministers a flaming fire.

    Exodus 7:17 Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shall know that I am the LORD, Behold, I will smite with the rod that is in thine hand the waters (peoples, nations) that are in the river, and they shall turn into blood.

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - in Reply
    Sister Suze, As you study Jeremiah you will see that God said, when I send Judah into captivity (the north country), of Babylon (physical), I will send ALL NATIONS into captivity (made drunk by my wrath) of the Babylon of Revelation.

    Revelation 17:5

    Isaiah 28:6-8

    Out of the north country shall come spoilers (those delivered from captivity of the Babylon of Revelation).

    These spoliers are the Sons of God described in Joel 2 and Jeremiah 51:19-64

    God Bless YOU!
  • ELB - in Reply
    Amen Brother Alex:

    The doctrines of man are had to overcome, but in God's TIME and PURPOSE: TRUTH will prevail.

    Romans 2:28 For HE IS NOT A JEW which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    Romans 2:29 But HE IS A JEW, which is one inwardly, and the circumcision is of the heart, IN THE SPIRIT, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Jeremiah 49:19 Behold, he (the Holy Ghost) shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan against the habitation of the strong (Satan, the carnal mind): but I (the Holy Ghost) will suddenly make him (the chosen) run away from her ( Revelation 17:5): and who is a CHOSEN MAN, that I (the Holy Ghost) may APPOINT OVER HER ( Revelation 17:5)? For WHO IS LIKE ME (born of spirit, image of the Holy Ghost)? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me?

    God Bless YOU!
  • AndreaDona on 2 Esdras 15:1
    Revelation 17:4-5

    "The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls.

    She held in her hand a golden cup

    full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality.

    And on her forehead a mysterious name was written:





    'The New Colossus'

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame (nude male)

    With conquering limbs astride from land to land; (Colossus of Rhodes, Babylon)

    Here at OUR sea-washed, SUNSET GATES shall stand

    A mighty woman with a torch

    whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning,

    and her name:

    Mother of Exiles Lazarus


    Jeremiah 51:6-7

    "Flee from Babylon! Escape with your lives! Do not be destroyed in her punishment. For this is the time of the Lord's vengeance; He will pay her what she deserves.

    Babylon was a gold cup in the hand of the Lord, making the whole earth drunk. The nations drank her wine; therefore the nations have gone mad."
  • Roman on Daniel 7
    Identifying the beast, the anti-christ of Daniel and Revelation as Russia:

    -In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has healed into the Russian Federation, that the people will marvel at, Revelation 13:3

    -Russia is the little horn, rising up after the USSR received a deadly wound, emerging as the Russian Federation, Daniel 7:8

    -"Even he is the 8th and is of the 7". Russia was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7. & Russia, being the 8th member, leads a confederacy of 7 nations (from 10), Revelation 17:20

    -His look is "more stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones, Daniel 7:20

    -He becomes strong with a small people. Russia's population has been stuck at 144 million for decades, Daniel 11:23

    -Even though God has always held back Gog (Russia), He will now bring him forth, with his northern army to destroy Israel, whole. Ezekiel 38:4
  • Roman - in Reply
    We have a little ways to go before the sixth trmpet. On my map, we are at the tail end of the fifth trumpet, in the midst of Revelation 17, just before the Revelation 6:14 scroll. Entering Ezekiel 21:7
  • Free - in Reply
    Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    From my translation it says in a footnote about the impurity of adultery on earth. So that translation also explains my thoughts.

    Unfortunately, i can not see what you are aiming for somewhere from your referrals, but they speak to me! But have God's peace and do not be terrified in your heart. For some are slow you know. By all means you may be right, he who lives will see.

    I am not saying now that the prophets did not speak the truth, but only to emphasize that Isaiah lived 700 years before Christ. And all the things he writes about were also about what was close at the time. We know how things went with Babylon.

    I understand you too, dear friend but the United States is not Babylon. (i read and understand Babylon was Iran / Iraq a few years ago and they are God's Enemies from then until now). But since evil and fornication have come to through the world and the people who live in it, (we do) the Prophet also speaks here to every living person. Where self-denial and greed live and mm.

    The good thing about the Day of Judgment sermon is that someone turns to faith from dead works to faith in the living God Jesus Christ who went through heaven for you and me and everyone else.

    At the same time, those who do not understand the doomsday sermon will think they are lost for the rest of their days and that there is no hope. We must never forget the wars that have taken place, not even Nagasaki and Hiroshima. But we must aim at the Heavenly Land where Jesus Christ Is. And that all living things are the work of God.

    Be blessed by God in the name of Jesus, love you in Christ. Feel free to follow me in Mark 15.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on John 2
    Hey Keith,

    We must not look for one country, when the beast ascends from the bottomless pit and Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to him Revelation 13, this world will change. The ten horns of the beast are ten kings/leaders, they give their strength and power to the beast. We do not know what nations and armies they will control, but we do know it will be the nations of the world.

    The battle of Armageddon will start just before the return of Jesus, Revelation 19:11. The ten kings/leaders, along with the beast and false prophet will make war with Jesus, Revelation 17:14 we know what happens Revelation 19:19-21.

    God bless,

  • Aaron - in Reply

    You talk my language, we share the same interpretations. I told you a while ago that Christ had the first 1/2 of the week, and anti-christ had the second 1/2 of the week. The seven years prophesy is spread out over 2,000 years. That made sense to you, so instead of sticking to your own idea, you adopted it.

    5th trumpet: ( Revelation 9:1-11) was 9-11-01. It was the US army that came out of the smoke like locusts to kill those without the seal of God in their foreheads (Muslim's). The US army didn't hurt any tree or green thing because the dessert has none (vs 4). The war on terror is over, troops are withdrawing ( Isaiah 33:1). We are awaiting the 6th seal, watching Revelation 17 simultaneously play out.

    6th seal: ( Revelation 6:14) I see US/Israel attacking Iran's nuclear facility, a nuclear reaction, moving mountains. Scroll = mushroom cloud. Iran is the only recognized nuclear power in the ME, Israel's arch enemy, they have been talking about bombing Iran for 40 years, and they are always 6 months away, so the claim has merit.

    Then, after a waiting period, there is a calm, a day with blue skies, and then the beast Russia strikes ( Jeremiah 15:7-9), changing the world forever. This is the day of the Lord ( Ezekiel 21). In the self-same hour that Babylon is taken. the earthquake opens up Israel to the beast invasion ( Revelation 6:12). This scripture is telling ( Luke 21:20-24) when Israel is attacked, where is the US to defend them? The US received ( Matthew 24:15). The beast, and his false prophet, China, will rule the world, fight bitterly, and eventually succumb to Christ Jesus at the last trumpet.

    If we are in the end-times, shouldn't these prophesies manifest themselves before our eyes? Shouldn't they make themselves known? Yes, to those with understanding.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply
    Hey Aaron,

    I was just pointing out; Revelation is similar to a book or movie that is written in a way I think is called, a frame story or cross-cutting. It is like John wrote it down as he was shown, he may have been like Daniel when Daniel was shown things, he had not a clue of its meaning like Daniel 7:15.

    Like what you said about Babylon, daylight between vs 12 and vs 14. If you look in Rev. 17 the ten kings/kingdoms/countries hate the whore and they destroy Babylon. In Rev. 18 we see Babylon is fallen and what effect it has on the world. Babylon will be destroyed before the second coming of Jesus and the verses you listed.

    These ten kingdoms/countries are the same that go out to make war with Jesus Revelation 17:14 and we know how they end in Rev. 19. Can we know what countries will be involved in these final days before it starts? Is Babylon a country or city or something else? It is called a whore; the mother of harlots and fornication is done.

    There are many teachings out there but who is right? We may have to come to a point and accept some things have not been revealed to us. We must be ready to face what is coming, it may not be what we have been taught. My understanding, we will face what many believers in Jesus faced in the past. They were not spared from going through tribulation or being killed and we will not either, we must be ready to face the end, even if we are facing death.

    God bless,

  • Amarin - in Reply on 1 Maccabees 3
    It might be Babylon, because it is the main superpower and because of its state of morals in these End Times as described in Revelation 17 and 18.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Revelations 19:20, Revelations 17:13, seems to be a collaboration to make 'the mark' Revelation 17:3, Revelations 17:9-12, Revelations 13:18 both say ''be wise''. Revelations 13:16-17,
  • Carleton - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Revelation 17:10 . The sixth kingdom though at the time of John's vision was the Roman kingdom it was still vaguely described since the time of Daniel's vision looking forward in time to different governments. The Roman government was the last earthy, worldly government that had no formal border to the Spiritual Kingdom of God in Christ Jesus. Once this Kingdom began it became a border to itself and all other future govenments, limiting their growth and their names because the True Kingdom on Earth prevails.

    These earthly smaller kingdoms to this day are where God's Providence continues to work miracles. If Satan were not bound with chain, there would be no weakness in the World for an escape into the Spiritual Kingdom of Christ. This Heavenly Providence is Grace and a way of escape.

    This is the door of Grace into Salvation in Ark of Jesus Christ and his Church and by the Providence of God. From the beginning of His Kingdom until now the door of the Ark is opened to all whom confess their sins, turn from them and by faith enter in by faith which is freedom.

    When the Providence of God in the little governments of the World ceases, then Satan will be released fully and the route to escape becomes impossible because God will not prevent Satan's killing lusts. Worse yet, for the protection of the souls in the Ark of Salvation, the spiritual border crossing will be forever closed.

    The tourists Ark in Kentucky may well be an example for some that are like the foolish virgins. They once entered the Ark of Salvation and instead of remaining steadfast in faith they exited a remaining open door to a gift shop to walk around and buy memories of the Ark.

    The time of the Covid also seems to be under appreciating the Providence of God as a sign of the times. The day of Provocation is at hand and we as Christians are complaining about the World when it is the World (by water) Spiritual Grace that saves the way of escape across the border to the open Ark.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Christian Greetings! On the Peaceable Kingdom of Christ.

    Revelation 17:10

    Daniel in his vision of four beasts looked ahead from his time. Three beasts of kingdoms were more clear: Grecian, Persian and Babylonian kingdoms. More vague was a forth kingdom.

    John in his vision looked back from the vision's point in time past the time of Daniel to the Assyrian and Egyptian kingdoms. At the time of the vision the vague kingdom was clearly the Roman kingdom. A total of six kingdoms with one to come after the Roman kingdom.

    The seventh Kingdom is of the domain of Jesus Christ and is the last Kingdom in earth.

    For your meditation.
  • Revelation 17:9 KJV

    And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    Look up, where are the seven mountains located. This tells you who the beast is. The beast is located in Rome or in Vatican City

    Revelation 17:18 Tells you who the beast rules

    And the woman which thou sawest is that (great city), which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    World leaders, presidents, politicians, pastors, etc
  • Carleton - in Reply on Romans 13
    Hello Brother Chris, I am a poor choice to edge myself into the subject of Non-resistance but I see how without its presence in the life of a Christian one can wander into preparations or arming themselves for the punishment and or destruction of Babylon. It will be heathen hands as Jeremiah preached that overtake Babylon. Jeremiah 51:11, 28-29. The Christian must not interfere in God's vengeance against all unrighteousness in spiritual Babylon. The sword of opposition is not Bible doctrine. Revelation 17:12-13 Summarized- Power is give to the kings and in one mind and strength to the beast. Revelation 17:14 Summarized- The war is with the Lamb. The Lamb will overcome as he is Lord of lords and King of Kings. His followers who are with him are chosen and faithful. It is the non-resistance of these believers that they can be with the Lamb as he overcomes spiritual Babylon that great city, which is the complete opposite of New Jerusalem.

    Likely there will arise those whom may riot and gain followers but they will eventually be scattered as they are resistant to submission. I am certain that repeating the vision and revelation of the Lamb may be tiresome. However another happening as "I Stood" by the Lamb was it would have been near impossible to make myself lower than He. That is how we are, how I am and how we must completely surrender to His testimony of Peace.

    By faith and love. We can write more together in this short walk if time allows.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Donna Smith,

    There are several opinions on this, we know Satan was the first to rebel, the first to sin, a murderer, and is the father of lies ( John 8:44). We see in Isaiah 14 God said, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, many take vs. 12 O Lucifer son of the morning as being Satan describing his casting out.

    The word Lucifer, the morning star is another word for the planet Venus, Latin roots lux (light) and ferre (to carry) it is its brightest right before sunrise. It is also called a day star because it can be seen in the daytime.

    We see in ( Ezekiel 28:12-19) Is a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, where the description of Satan is taken. In ( Job 1) and ( Job 2) " the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord" (angels) Satan showed up. So at this time Satan still had access to heaven. In ( Luke 10:18) Jesus said "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Whether past or future? Whether it was his ranking or permanent?

    Now in ( Revelation 12:7-17) and Revelation 13:1-2), the war in heaven where the red dragon and his angels are cast out into the earth. In verse 8 there is no more place for them in heaven. In verse 12 they are rejoicing in heaven and the warning, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" because Satan knows he only has a short time.

    My understanding, Revelation 12 starts the great tribulation when Satan is permanently cast down with no more access to heaven and gives his power seat and great authority to the beast. Revelation 12, if you look at the Greek it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea when the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. ( Revelation 9:11) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8).

    May this help your study, you can use, bible simple search KJV, just type in to edge, google, yahoo or whatever search you use, also this site. Type in devil, Satan, and it will pull all scripture that contains these words you can study.

    God bless,

  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Revelation 20
    Shellon Hooten,

    Revelation is hard, for one, it is not in chronological order, and not all has been revealed to us. Pray and keep in mind there are answers we may never be given. At this time there have been 3.5 years of tribulation by Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and the great whore Babylon, and Babylon was just destroyed by the ten kings/countries of the beast. ( Revelation 17, 18).

    These same ten kings/kingdoms/countries will make war with Jesus, ( Revelation 17:14). They were rejoicing in heaven and "his wife hath made herself ready" and "Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb" ( Revelation 19:1-10).

    In ( Revelation 19:11-21) we see Jesus coming with his armies, ( Matthew 25:31) that were in heaven, and the call to the fowls to gather to the supper of the great God. ( Ezekiel 39: 17-20) There are more scriptures on the coming of Jesus, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), and more. The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the remnant of the armies are destroyed by the sword proceeding out of the mouth of Jesus. The power of His word wiped them out.

    Then in Revelation 20, Satan is locked in the bottomless pit, to be there for one thousand years, and Jesus sets up His Kingdom and the camp of the saints. So scripture tells us when Jesus returns with all His holy angels/armies, He sends angels to gather His elect. Who are in this first resurrection? The description of them is in ( Revelation 20:4). Are they all that will be saved? Are they the most loyal elect that is given this honor? The key is the white throne judgment, is it only for the lost as taught? Why is the book of life opened ( Revelation 20:12)? Should we not consider ( Matthew 25:31-46) ( John 5:28-29) ( Acts 24:15). Do we overlook ( Revelation 20:15)?

    I know this does not answer your question, if it can be answered, but may it inspire study.

    God bless,

  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Hey John,

    Like is said, many people have a plethora of interpretations on Revelation. The word antichrist has developed into a being, along with seven years into a story of fiction. The word antichrist is only in first and second John ( 1 John 2:18,22) (1 John4:3) ( 1John 1:7), if you read, there are billions of antichrists today.

    If you read Revelation there is not one, or two, but three, Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12; this is permanent because no place is left for him in heaven, he gives his seat, authority, and power to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13 this beast comes out of the sea (bottomless pit) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8). The second beast (false prophet) Makes image and causes those to worship the first beast and take the mark ( Revelation 13:11-18)

    I am not familiar with J. Vernon Mcgee so I cannot comment on what he said. Many takes Daniel, Mathew and some of Paul and paint some fantastic picture of end time. If you are studying Revelation read it from front to back 5-10 times with no preconceived ideas in your head before you start to study it.

    Many interpretations use scripture and prophecies that have already been fulfilled, pray before you study and let the Holy Spirit lead you. Clear your mind from all the things you have heard and understand that somethings have not been revealed to us as yet. Some things we will not know until they happen.

    Walk in the light,

  • Jerry Donald Stoller - in Reply on Revelation 20
    No the vaccine is not the mark of the beast, You will know when it is presented to the World, as a method to allow you to buy & sell products..it will be similar to a patch which will have an muslim signet on it..Remember there is no FEAR in CHRIST..i RECCOMEND READING REVELATION 17:17,which states that GOD is the Director of the last day events..
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply

    Many do not believe we will be here; it is the gathering of the Church (rapture). I believe scripture tells us if we are living, we will be here and we must be prepared, but you can study that for your conscience. We see in Revelation 12 and 13 when Satan is cast down permanently to earth with no more access to heaven. Satan is standing on the sand of the sea when the first beast ascends out of the sea (bottomless pit). ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8) Satan gives his seat, authority, and power to this beast, and this beast makes war against the saints and prevails. People on earth will worship Satan and this beast because of the power that will be shown, the world will be incapable to make war against it.

    The second beast (false prophet) rises and creates an image of the first beast and causes people to worship the image and take the mark. He deceives people with great wonders, miracles, and power in the sight of the first beast. So being in the sight of the first beast appears the two beasts are here during the same time.

    This mark is not something that you will not know you are taking, whoever takes this mark will willingly take it and whoever does not worship that image and take the mark will be killed, scary thought but true. Anyone whose name is written in the Lambs book of life will not worship the beast or image and will not take the mark.

    Have peace in your heart, the Holy Spirit in us will make it crystal clear what will be happening and we will overcome the hour of temptation. ( Revelation 3:10). This is going to be the darkest time so far on earth and many to most of us in Christ who are still living will be killed. Jesus said after the tribulation of those days. ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27)

    Pray and Study, trust the Holy Spirit of truth.

  • D W L - in Reply
    Pamela - We are all called, but few are CHOSEN, Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Revelation 2:10 be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou FAITHFUL unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    And they that are with him are called-chosen-faithful, it will take every word not just what we prefer.
  • D W L - in Reply
    Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and FAITHFUL.

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
  • Seth Graham - in Reply

    CIA & Mossad planned, planted, executed, and covered up 9-11. False flag, trumpet #5.

    PNAC, Operation Northwoods "looking for a new Pearl Harbor and endless wars of choice"

    The Russian's have satellite footage of pentagon & World Trade Center attacks. What kind of plane hits the pentagon then travels through 3 concentric rings of reinforced concrete and steel, leaving a 16 foot exit hole? It was a missile.

    Mystery Babylon in fast decline, and somewhere deep in Revelation 17, and staring down 18.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Hey Richard Estrada

    I did not mean to imply what you listed was wrong, but I guess a lot of it did not go along with what you posted, I do apologize. The countries you listed may come to be, but I do not know or try to figure out what countries will be involved.

    As far as what I can say about the future, I feel it will be different than what many teach. I believe, as far as the countries that will be united with the beast we will not know until they are set up. I believe the beast is not a country but an angelic being from the bottomless pit along with the false prophet, with the power of Satan who will rule over those countries and the world.

    When Satan is cast down all changes, what that will look like who knows but it will not be pretty.

    Babel and Babylon are the same but translated differently, Babel was the start of sun worship, the host of heaven worship, and sanctified prostitution and human sacrifices. Babel started what God was constantly dealing with Israel, the gods of the countries around them.

    So, my feelings are that Babylon at the end times must have similar religious attributes because of what is said in ( Revelation 17:6), ( Revelation 18:24) and ( Revelation 19:2) whether the blood and deaths of the prophets, saints, and martyrs of Jesus are from the beginning of Babel or during the 3.5 years of tribulation, that is if this Babylon carries out the punishment for not taking the mark, because many of us if we are still here, will face death.

    This is probably not what you are asking for, sorry if not. If I may suggest something, not saying I know anything but it may help if you want to study it. ( Luke 21:20-24) you listed in your first post you said if the U.S. was taken out it would be easy for Israel to be invaded, true but, when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Nisan 10 He cried and said, ( Luke 19:41-44). You may decide Jesus, in both cases was talking of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, not end times.

    God bless,

  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

    Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

    Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

    From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

    1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

    Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

    Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

    Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

    Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

    Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

    1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

    Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.
  • OSEAS - in Reply on Genesis 1

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    About Genesis 1:v.2, will be the readers think or imagine the "SPIRIT OF GOD moved upon the face of the H2O? or waters according Revelation 17:v.15?
  • OSEAS - in Reply


    And the angel of the Lord said- Revelation 17:v.15: The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Scripture is clear:This quoted verse reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule the nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems (catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among many others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

    By the way, the new NAME of SATAN in the current time of Apocalypse is Dragon.

    Rev.12:v.9-10 - 9 And the great DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT,called the DEVIL,and SATAN,which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD:he was (will be) cast out into the earth, and his messengers(2Cor.11:v.13-15) were(will be)cast out with him.

    10 NOW (yes,NOW,ONLY NOW) is come salvation,and strength,and the KINGDOM of our GOD,and the Power of His Christ...

    Revelation 11:v.15-18

    The kingdoms of this world(WORLD OF DEVIL)ARE BECOME the KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD,AND OF HIS CHRIST;and he shall REIGN for ever and ever.

    16 And the four and twenty elders,which sat before GOD on their seats,fell upon their faces,and worshipped GOD,

    17 Saying,We give thee thanks,O Lord God Almighty,which art,and wast,and art to come;because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,and hast reigned.

    18 AND THE NATIONS WERE(WILL BE)ANGRY,and GOD's wrath is come,and the time of the dead,that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto HIS servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear HIS name, small and great;and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

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