Discuss Revelation 16 Page 2

  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Bruce. Your question sounds like a combination of a couple of Scriptures: Revelation 9:15,16 and Revelation 16:12. I'm unconvinced that these two scenarios are tied in together, with the Book of Revelation itself filled with various imagery & timelines making a definitive interpretation impossible.
  • Sammi - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    This is the second reply I give to you . Here are a couple of scriptures that back up my conclusion about Jesus's tears being because people he loved were reproaching him for not coming to Lazarus's aid sooner , Romans chapter 15 verses 3 + 4 and Psalm 69 verse 9 . When someone we love dies , how many of us blame / reproach God ? It makes me sad that so many people who don't even believe in God or Jesus , are very quick to blame God when anything bad happens in their lives .
  • Sammi - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    Please , read the whole chapter of John 11. You will notice that Jesus does not rush to Lazarus's side to heal him of his sickness , he waits a couple of days . Jesus already knew what was going to happen and how he would deal with the situation , verse 4 of John chapter 11 . In verses 21 + 32 we find that Martha and Mary seem to reproach Jesus for not coming to Lazarus's aid and healing him before he could die . These reproaches , gentle as they were , probably hurt Jesus feelings and , when he sees how upset everyone is, verse 33, Jesus allows his emotions to be witnessed by all . In verse 36 we read that the Jews interpret Jesus's tears as grief for Lazarus , but in verse 37 he is reproached again and in verse 38 he groans again in himself . We might ask , if he is groaning within himself how does John know this ? Real pain and sorrow usually shows in our face expressions and body language . So , personally , I do not believe that Jesus weeps for the death of Lazarus . I believe that his tender heart is hurt by the reproaches of his friends because they had hoped that Jesus would come quickly to heal Lazarus and by the grief of people that he obviously loves very much .
  • GiGi - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    Hello Nsituma,

    The verse is John 11:35. This was when He was given news that Lazarus had died.
  • Nsituma on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    what verse says: Jesus wept
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 46 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 46.

    This Psalm once again was written for the sons of Korah. Interesting; the "Alamoth" designation meant that it was to be sang by women; apparently with soprano voices according to Easton's Bible Dictionary. I'm not certain why that was the case but it is an interesting sidenote.

    This is clearly a prophetic Psalm. We literally see the mountains being carried into the "midst of the sea" in Revelation 16:20 (verse 2); and the words of Matt. 24:29 come into mind in verse 3.

    Moving on to verse 4 and 5; we see the river in the midst of the "city of God" (verse 4) and it not being moved. This could represent the Millennial Kingdom on earth or eternity; as well as possibly the heavenly Jerusalem now.

    Verses 6 through 10 describe the "heathen raging" (verse 6); which is reminicient of the Armageddon conflict of Rev. 19 as well as reflected earlier in Psalm 2. The earth melting is in other scriptures such as Isaiah 24:1-6 and Psalm 97:5 to name a few.

    Truly God is the refuge of those who either physically survive into the Millenial Kingdom from the Tribulation or the saints that rule and reign as kings and priests on earth at that time (verse 7). Verses 8-10 talk about wars ceasing and God making desolations; as well as destroying all the weapons of war. This reminds us of Isaiah 2:4 as well as the aftermath and cleanup of the Ezekiel 38 war. God truly will be exalted even among the heathen (verse 10). The Psalm concludes in verse 11 with the identical verse as found in verse 7.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey GiGi,

    Jesus said this before He was crucified, so do we look at it in a different light? We all have crosses to bear if said in unserious, or true difficulties, losses, and deficiencies in physical or financial health, or harms we have done to others. We can allegorize any difficulty we have as a cross to bear but how shallow would that be?

    If we look at the crucifixions done back then, those who were crucified were thieves, murderers, and those who rebelled against the authorities. They were made to carry their beams/crosses to where they would be put to death. They were in complete and utter submission to authority and humiliated and were made examples. Reminds me of Revelation 16:15.

    So maybe that is the cross we are supposed to carry, submission, and complete allegiance to Him? Not just one day a week but every day, examining our hearts. Studying the word of God and checking our motives, why we do what we do, and our desires, are they for His will, or for ours?

    Just my thoughts.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Roman - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    Too many follow their own imagination, based on ill interpretations of the Bible. America is being prepared for her visitation, and no one will know why or where it comes from. America will fall while the sun was yet high in the sky, Jeremiah 15:7-9
  • Adam - 1 year ago
    "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4 KJV

    "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:28 KJV

    "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" Mark 12:29 KJV

    "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

    "And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments." Revelation 16:7 KJV

    Romans 10:9 , Luke 2:11, Philippians 2:11, 2 Corinthians 4:5

    Amen.
  • Raymond lyons on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    The great river Euphrates drying up 2022 these times are recorded we live in amazing times but few can see.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 1 year ago
    Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

    Numbers 12:6-8,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    Concluding thoughts on seventh vial in Revelation 16

    We see here; in the seventh vial judgment a great hail coming down on the earth which fits into the scenario of the Ezekiel 38 war. This is tied in with the greatest earthquake ever in verse 18; and Babylon the Great to be judged; the "great city" whatever that is-possibly Jerusalem being split in three pieces and all the cities of the nations falling.

    See Ezekiel 6:6; ; Isaiah 30:25; Ezekiel 38:22; Zechariah 14:2; Isaiah 13:9.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 16 - 1 year ago
    In this chapter; we see the most severe and rapid fire sequence of judgments. These are exclusively involving the reprobate (with the exception of a few hidden away in the wilderness or a handful scattered in certain places). We see in the first vial a reaction for those with the mark. Some have suggested that mercury or other toxins in computer chips could affect people this way.

    The TOTAL destruction of life in the sea (ostensively indicating all the oceans in the world) is mind numbing. The exception would be the marine life in the Dead Sea which is destined (as is already starting) to have fresh water come into it; which will accellerate in the Millenium and beyond when water flows from the Holy City.

    The fresh water sources of the whole world are then turned to "blood". Whether this is literal blood or some blood red contaminant may not be entirely clear here; but we have a precedent with Egyptian plagues here and with other vial judgments.

    The fourth vial; fifth and seventh all indicate a lack of repentance and continuing blasphemies against God. The sixth seal uses demons to convince men to fight at Armageddon after gathering there (v. 12-16). This probably has something to do with the East vs West (as Daniel states that there are rumors from the North and East that bother Antichrist in chapter 11; verse 44); but evolves into people fighting amongst themselves then turning against Christ when they are immediately destroyed. When we realize that at the end of the Millennium Satan is released one more time for yet ANOTHER insurrection to overthrow God we realize how deluded unregenerate men's minds are as well as how wicked Satan is.

    We see that there is unrestrained judgment here in accordance with man's complete lack of repentance. Man repeats what the Beast spews forth in Revelation 13 and somehow thinks that they can "forecast a device" against the Lord ( Psalm 21:11). Let us do His work while it is yet day ( John 9:4).
  • Doug - In Reply on Luke 17 - 1 year ago
    I do not believe in a pre-trib. rapture. The following verse would suggest that believers will see the anti-christ which takes us through chapter 14 of Revelation. 2 Thessalonians 2 1-3,Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; It appears the saints are still on earth in Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Maybe the reason the church isn't mentioned in Revelation is she has defiled herself with the whore of Revelation 17 & 18. Maybe just isolated pockets of believers at that time within the so called church. Remember in the first part of Revelation Jesus said he would remove their candlestick if they didn't repent. Just some thoughts.
  • Luke - In Reply - 1 year ago
    6th Seal, 6th Vial, and 6th Trumpet (666) it is a number and they all pertain/describe to the beast, and his coming.

    Satan comes at the 6th trump, 6th vial and 6th seal, Christ comes at the 7th.

    What are these seals? The Knowledge of God's Word, To know God's word, His Plan.

    Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    6th seal, You need to know Satan will appear in Jerusalem and says he is God by imitating the Messiah

    What are the Trumpets? Trumpets are the actions, what's going to happen, when the trumpets sounds.

    Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

    14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates(tribulation)time of Jacobs Trouble.

    What are the Vials? The wraths of God poured out.

    Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water there of was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    The Seals are whats in the vials, and are poured out when the Trumpet sounds,,,, there are 7 seals, vials and trumpets,,,
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Bukola. Some of those would be as follows:

    Noadiah ( Nehemiah 6:14); Hananiah (Jeremiah chapter 28); Ahab & Zedekiah ( Jeremiah 29:21); Barjesus/Elymas ( Acts 13:6); the false prophet in Revelation 16:13; 19:20; 20:10.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    People often ask, how can a loving God send someone to hell.

    That's hard to accept, even in the Christian community. It's not uncommon for one to fashion doctrine to a more suitable doctrine for their itching ears.

    If nothing else we have clarity the scripture warns us of these things.

    Let's take a look at the nature of man apart from the Holy Spirit.

    Here in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. I believe we have the Holyspirit/restrainer being removed, "likely at the rapture" We see a series of evil events take place by the Antichrist.

    "And now ye know what WITHHOLDETH that he might be revealed in his time.

    For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: ONLY HE WHO NOW LETTETH WILL LET, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY."

    Now notice the ungenerated and unrepentant heart of man in Revelation 16:8-11.

    "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

    And men were scorched with great heat, AND BLASPHEMED THE NAME OF GOD, WHICH HATH POWER OVER THESE PLAGUES: AND THEY REPENTED NOT TO GIVE HIM GLORY.

    And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; AND THEY GNAWED THEIR TONGUES FOR PAIN,

    AND BLASPHEMED THE GOD OF HEAVEN BECAUSE OF THEIR PAINS AND THEIR SORES, AND REPENTED NOT OF THEIR DEEDS.

    The ungenerated man has the same nature as his father Satan.

    Daniel 12:2.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

    Romans 12:6,

    2Peter 1:16-21,

    1Timothy 4:14,

    Revelation 1:3,

    Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

    Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

    Revelation 19:10,

    Revelation 22,

    John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

    Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

    Matthew 10:41,

    Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

    Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

    Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

    Hope these are helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    Hello John. I only recall there is only one Tribulation still to come. It is called, The Great Tribulation ( Matthew 24:21). Jesus said in John 16:33, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Here, 'tribulation' is simply the sufferings, hardships, even persecutions that we all might face (as also Romans 8:35; 2 Corinthians 7:4; etc.). But the Great Tribulation that Jesus speaks of, & other epistle writers also refer to, is the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath ( Revelation 6:17; Revelation 16:1; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Ephesians 5:6); an anger against the accumulated wickedness of Earth's inhabitants which cannot be held back by Him any longer. The deaths & devastation will be frightening to say the least & the world will know that this is the Anger of the Lord upon them & none will be innocent bystanders - all those left on Earth will stand guilty before Him.
  • Tree O - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Mark 2:27 "And He (Jesus) said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath:" 28 "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

    Jesus became our sabbath. The word sabbath taken back to it's prime (Strong's concordance 7676 from 7673)in the Hebrew means 'to rest.'

    Jesus speaking in Matt 11:28 "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." 29 "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." 30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

    When we stay in the Word and walk in His light we keep the sabbath daily which gives us restful peace knowing the world has no power over us as we wear the armour of God.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Lets talk about Sabbath first.

    Many things from the OT are not valid now Sacrifices, offerings, commandments, holy days etc have no place in NT. One of them is Sabbath.

    See Colossians 2:16. Here apostole Paul says to Colosians that no man can judge them because they didn't follow OT's practises, including (pay attention) Sabbath as some Jewish christians claimed. Paul dismisses this idea.

    Christians soon chose the first day of the week for their formal congregation during which they "broke bread" that is take the Body and Blood of Jesus Crist or as some churches name it have Holly Communion, see Acts 20:7,

    Also in 1 Corinthians 11:20 Paul talks about Lord's Super, (but the greek text says Lord's Day super "Kyriako deipno") . Lord's Day is how early Christians called Sunday. Early Christians had the Holly Communion during a super just as Jesus did with His Disciples. This practice was abandoned sometime during the 2nd century AD and the Holly Communion was transferred from the church's super to the formal Sunday service.

    Also see 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul says to Christians in Corinth to gather money on Lord's Day.

    Also in Revelation 1:10 apostole John talks about Lord's Day

    So the formal day for christians at the time that the apostles lived was Sunday,. Sabbath has nothing to do with us now Many other verses that i cannot remember now verify that the Sunday and not Sabbath was the formal day for early christians.

    You can find all those things in books about the history of church.

    Now as far as commandments are concerned to be honest i have no idea what the Catholic church has done.

    God bless you.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Hi Steve. Yes, the RC version of the Decalogue involves taking the first three commandments & reducing them to two. Therefore, the fourth commandment becomes the third. And of course, the tenth commandment is split into two, making it the ninth & tenth.

    Nowhere in Bible has the Sabbath Day (the seventh day - in the fourth commandment) been changed to the the first day of the week. When Christians choose to worship on the first day of the week, this is not a Sabbath replacement, as the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for Israel, as ordained by God. Sunday for the Christian is a day chosen to meet together for worship (i.e. in most parts of the world; some countries have other days). This might be in line with the early Church meeting on the first day of the week, called the Lord's Day ( Acts 20:7).
  • CHANGE WHEN CHANGE IS REQUIRED - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Malachi 3:6

    For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    John 8:47

    He that is of God heareth God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

    Romans 1:28

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    God does not change His mind about His Word; Jesus or the Bible.

    People/priests however do change Gods word and are subject to what is written at the end of Revelation 22. They do it to themselves and hurt others by saying their decisions are right.

    By knowing the Bible we can avoid pitfalls to our faith in God. If your church is political and makes changes politically, you have a responsibility to separate yourself from that church; seek one teaching the WHOLE BIBLE and not omitting or adding to "the Bible".

    There is no "wiggle" room on these matters. Jesus said, FOLLOW ME. You bear the responsibility to change your Church Affiliation. Period.

    Jesus is returning soon and there isn't another 100 years to flesh out the problems of religious political issues. They just want your financial support. Find a real Bible teaching Church. Not those that mix in philosophy, how to be happy happy in your life without change; marriage counselors, and subjects that are not scripturally based.

    Super Churches are not able to give one on one, encouragement to their parishioners.

    Bottom line: Follow Jesus. We are HIS DISCIPLES on this earth.
  • Steve Jobe on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Where are the scripture(s) that show where god changed the sabbath the

    seventh day of the week to sunday the first day of the week and why are the catholic ten commandments are missing the 4th and 2nd commandments and split the 10th to make ten???? i cant find them anywhere........
  • Daniel Lindenbaum - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Hell is detailed throughout the Bible. Hell is real and so are the various layers within. The Bottomless pit is a void where God keeps demons captive until they receive their judgment and punishment, also in the Lake of Fire. If you read in the following verses in Luke chapter 8 we're given an idea of the demons that were therein:

    Luke 8: 30 & 31

    "And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep."
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    Hi Albert, the Book of the Revelation makes reference to the 'bottomless pit' in several places: Revelation chapters 9, 11, 17 & 20. And this place is generally seen as Hell, the domain of Satan, his devils, & the wicked. This place is different to their final place of judgement: the Lake of Fire (Revelation chapters 19, 20 & 21).
  • Albert joiner on Revelation 16 - 2 years ago
    where in the bible dose it talk about the bottomless pit
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply - 2 years ago
    According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV Bible there are three variant Greek words translated devils.

    The root word in his Greek dictionary of the New Testament is:

    1142.

    Transliteration daimn (Key)

    Pronunciation dah'-ee-mown

    Part of Speech masculine/feminine noun

    Root Word (Etymology) From daio (to distribute fortunes)

    a daemon or super-natural spirit (of a bad nature); - devil.

    Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12; Revelation 16:14; Revelation 18:2.

    1139.

    Transliteration daimonizomai (Key)

    Pronunciation dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee

    Part of Speech verb

    Root Word (Etymology) Middle voice from (G1142)

    to be exercised by a daemon;-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

    Matthew 4:24; Matthew 8:16; Matthew 8:28; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:36

    1140.

    Transliteration daimonion (Key)

    Pronunciation dahee-mon'-ee-on

    Part of Speech neuter noun

    Root Word (Etymology) Neuter of a derivative of (G1142)

    a demonic being; by extension a diety:-devil, god.

    Matthew 7:22; Matthew 9:34; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 12:24,27,28; Mark 1:34,39; Mark 3:15,22; Mark 6:13; Mark 9:38; Mark 16:9,17; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:2,27,30,33,35,38; Luke 9:1,49; Luke 10:17; Luke 12:15,18,19,20; Luke 13:32; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20.

    demon - The Modern English word demon derives from the Middle English demon: from medieval Latin demon, from Latin daemon, from Greek daimn 'deity, genius'; in demon; also from Latin daemonium 'lesser or evil spirit', from Greek daemonion, diminutive of daimn.

    devils - The Modern English word devil derives from the Middle English devel, from the Old English dofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of the Latin diabolus.

    The KJV translation is not a word for word or uniquely and infallible inspired representation of the Greek New Testament, and we should be cautious in choosing which English words in it we want to make our hills to die on without first consulting the Greek.
  • Aaron - In Reply - 2 years ago
    "Baptism by fire is a reference to the day of the Lord, where the recipients of the 'abomination of desolation' are burned up by the flame. It is Jesus who comes like a thief in the night to lay the land desolate 1 Thessalonians 5:2, Revelation 16:15
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey James,

    In Genesis 8:20-21 Noah offered burnt offerings on the altar of every clean beast and every clean fowl to God. The Burnt Offering, Olah in Hebrew, is the oldest sacrifice, we see it later the daily sacrifice, the Tamid. The burnt offering was the only offering that was entirely burned, all is given to God. Were there only two of each animal went in the ark? Genesis 7:1-3

    In Genesis 3:21 when God clothed Adam and Eve with coats of skin is a shadow of the sacrifice of Jesus and when we accept this gift we are clothed with the garment of salvation, the robe of righteousness, white and spotless. Isaiah 61:10 As God did for Adam and Eve this garment covers our sins that we may not walk naked and our shame shall be seen, Revelation 3:4 Revelation 16:15.

    God made a covenant with Noah and all living creatures that He would not destroy the world with water ever again and symbolized it with a rainbow. God gave a commandment to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, we see later they did not obey (the tower of Babel). All animals and creatures would fear man.

    This is the first time in scripture where God gives the penalty for murder. The penalty for taking a life is the death of the murderer. When the life of a person is taken. God will require the punishment of death, whether the one who kills a person is a man or an animal. You will find this in Genesis 9.

    God bless,

    RLW


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