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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Rjgil4769.

    Genesis 12:2-3 is probably closest and the most popular.

    Some try to associate these two verses with the Church along with all the promises and blessings prophesied to Israel. and all the cursings to the Nation Israel.

    Antisemitism began in the early Church, as soon as Paul brought the Gospel to the Gentiles.

    Some saw the Jews as the Christ killers, even though for this cause he come into the world.

    ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and God blessed him!

    God blesses the Nation Israel because he is faithful and remembers the Abrahamic covenant that is associated with the Davidic covenant.

    A chosen people and a land here on earth is tied to those promises.

    When we bless Israel we enlists ourselves as one who believes God also.

    God brought Israel alive from a valley of dry bones and yet some say God is done with Israel.

    Here's just a few of many verses similar to the answer of your question.

    Zechariah 2:8-9.

    For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

    For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

    Zechariah 12:1-9.

    Zechariah 14:12.

    Psalms 122:6.

    The Lord also punished Nations that relished when Israel was being punished by God. Obadiah 1:8-14.

    Israel exists today because of promise not faithfulness to God.

    They being brought back to the land because of prophetic promises not obedience.

    2 Samuel 7:23-24.

    God bless.
  • Chaazach - 4 months ago
    Joyce Tremayne Pickett yes partly on Obadiah 1 Esau is the Edomites which are the so called white race but Jacob are the 12 tribes of Israel the so called Blacks Hispanics and Native Indians of Negroid Descent which were divided into to kingdom the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom the Northern Kingdom is the ten tribes Israel and the Southern Kingdom are the two tribes Judah and Benjamin
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Lee the Follower:

    Cease from your works, come into the sabbath rest, God's WORKS were finished from the foundation of the world.

    You DIED with Christ on his cross, you were resurrect with Christ, a NEW CREATION.

    You and Christ became ONE FLESH, married, you now have his name.

    You now have his faith, and all the works, by your hand, he does through you.

    Jeremiah 51:20-23

    Obadiah 1:21

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put MY SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes and keep my judgements and DO THEM.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    AMEN Lee the Follower:

    The clouds are symbolic of those that have come to truth, we were resurrected with Christ, the NEW CREATION, being made ONE with him, by his resurrection.

    Jeremiah 51:20-23

    Obadiah 1:21

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply on John 15 - 5 months ago
    Brother CharlesSaw:

    The problem with the question of eternal security lies in having NO KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.

    If one deeply studies the PROPHECIES, one will see that at some point in the ages to come all the tribes of Israel are going to once again exit.

    BUT, in this AGE he is ONLY calling out the PREISTHOOD, the house of David, the kind of firstfruits as is the tribe of Judah, lawgivers that will rule and reign and serve him when he resurrects all the DEAD back to there bodies of flesh and blood.

    If one studies under the spirit of truth, you find these prophecies in the blessings of Israel to his twelve sons, from the beginning the tribe of Judah was CHOSEN to be God's lawgiver. The blessing on the remaining tribes will be fulfilled after all the lawgivers are put in place.

    Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zachariah, and Revelation all prophesy ONLY a PART will be save in this age, one third (probably symbolic) since other prophecies seem to say ONE TENTH, the tithe to God, those without blemish being sacrificed with Christ on HIS CROSS.

    You find this in the blessings of Jacob and Esau.

    Hebrews 11:20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.

    There are TWO DEATHS, TWO RESURRECTION and TWO JUDGEMENTS,

    The first death and resurrection is those SAVED in this AGE, the ones Christ CAUSES TO BELIEVE in this AGE, they are being judged by the words of God.

    1 Timothy 4:10 ... who is the SAVIOUR of ALL MEN (not necessarily in this AGE), especially THOSE (in this AGE) that BELIEVE.

    Isaiah 6:13 But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth, and it (the tenth) shall be eaten (same as Christ is eaten, eat the words and digest them) as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST) IS IN THEM, when they cast their leaves (administer judgement), so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (those conformed to the image of Christ) SHALL COME upon Mt, Zion to JUDGE the house of ESAU

    and the Kingdom shall be the LORDS.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 8 months ago
    "Hi Ronald

    I am also so sorry in telling you that you are completely wrong.

    Revelation 19:15KJV speaks of the one from whom the own JESUS said he has a NAME that no MAN knew, EXCEPT he himself".

    Yes, EXCEPT himself, so you are twisting the own word of JESUS who testified about this one that you call as being him JESUS, erroneously.

    For what do you contradict JESUS and get preaching saying the NAME of this one is JESUS?

    Actually he is only likeness JESUS- Revelation 1:13-,but he is not JESUS Himself, no,absolutely. And JESUS said that this one doth Judge and make WAR, in fact he is an ambassador of the Lord- Jeremiah 49:14 and Obadiah 1:1KJV- and he bears the insignia of JESUS Himself on his garments as an ambassador of the King Of kings, and Lord Of the lords, according prophecies he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a NAME,yes, a NAME written,that is King Of Kings, and Lord Of Lords.



    It is he who was with Moses in flame of fire in the Mount Sina in the name of GOD Almighty in the OT, saying to be the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob- Acts 7:32-33. Take a look. And he was with Moses until his death, and after appeared to Joshua,saying: Joshua 5:13-15

    13Joshua was by Jericho,he lifted up his eyes and looked,and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his Sword drawn in his hand:and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him,Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

    14And he said,Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come.And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

    15And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua,Loose thy shoe from off thy foot;for the place whereon thou standest is holy.And Joshua did so.

    Balaam also saw this one of the Lord standing in the way, and his Sword drawn in his hand,saying:behold,I went out to withstand thee,because thy way is perverse before me.

    Be careful so, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 8 months ago
    As a genetic people, the descendants of Esau are lost to history.

    Their DNA lives on in some sense, but they are so intermixed with other peoples that there is no definable group of Edomites today.

    When Isaiah or other prophets mention Edom in connection with future judgment such as in Isaiah 34 or 63), they are mentioned because they represent the nations that hate Israel and Israel's God, it's sort of a back hand.

    They were wiped out as a people.

    See Obadiah 1:8-18.

    Hopefully this helps.

    God bless.
  • Ruby Lea Read - 1 year ago
    UNDERSTANDING THE KINGDOM OF GOD

    The OLD is a SHADOW of the NEW.

    The 12 tribes of the old had a priesthood out of the tribe of Levi.

    The old was done away with.

    The new has a priesthood out of the house of Judah.

    At present, in this generation, or age, Christ is ONLY calling out the PRIESTHOOD, not everyone will be in this priesthood in THIS GENERATION, or age.

    When all the priests; the Sons of God, have been gathered, Christ will resurrect ALL the dead back to their bodies of FLESH, and they will be JUDGED and RULED by the Sons of God.

    It will be a shadow of the old.

    Joshua 9:21 And the princes (the sons of God) said ... Let them LIVE, but let them be HEWERS of WOOD and DRAWERS of WATER unto all the congregation (sons of God) ...

    But THIS TIME the children WILL NOT take up the ways of the Canaanites, BUT will cause the nations to take up the WAY OF GOD.

    Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot (man is the pot and Christ the potter) in (NEW) Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of host; and they (those resurrected to flesh) that sacrifice and come and TAKE OF THEM, (the new creation, now the likeness of Christ), and seethe therein (THE WORD): and in that day there shall NO MORE CANAANITES in the house of the LORD of host.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestations of the SONS OF GOD.

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (sons of God) shall come upon Mount Zion to JUDGE the Mount of Esau, and the KINGDOM shall be the LORDS.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Ruby Lea Read - 1 year ago
    REVELATION 22:19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, God shall take away his part out of the words of this BOOK, and out of the Holy city, and from the thinks WRITTEN in THIS BOOK.

    THE BOOK is Christ; all the BOOKS, are the written WORD about the LIVING WORD, Christ is the spirit of Prophecy.

    Amos 3:3 Can TWO walk together (and become ONE), except they( the two) be AGREED.

    The TWO is the BOOK (the word, which is God) and MAN (YOU).

    If you don't AGREE and BELIEVE the BOOK (take away or add) you want have a part in the BOOK.

    Psalms 7:13 He (God) hath prepared for him the INSTRUMENT OF DEATH ...

    Romans 6:23 The wages of SIN (not believing ALL THE BOOK) is DEATH ....

    John 16:8 And when HE (the word, the BOOK, the spirit of prophecy, the HOLY GHOST) is COME, he will REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN:

    John 16:9 OF SIN, because the BELIEVE NOT ON ME (the Book, the Word, ALL of the Books and all the WORD).

    The LIVING WORD; CHRIST, has revealed himself in the WRITTEN word.

    1 Timothy 4:19 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the LIVING GOD (the BOOK), who is the saviour of ALL MEN, especially those that believe.

    Have you added to, or taken away from these words in THE BOOK (CHRIST), then according to Revelation 22:19 God has taken your part out of the words of THE BOOK (CHRIST).

    FEW find THE WAY

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou (Christ) shall take a FEW in number, and bind them in thy skirt (clothing of priest the ephod).

    Ezekiel 5:4 Take of them (the FEW) again, and CAST THEM into the MIDST of the FIRE, and burn them in the fire, for thereof (those FEW) shall a FIRE COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (ONE with THE BOOK) shall come upon Mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORDS.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...for when THY (the BOOK) JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of THE WORLD will learn righteousness (Christ, the BOOK is our RIGHTEOUSNESS).
  • Anonymous - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Giannis,

    Prophesy is unfolding rapidly, it never stopped and can be identified. Acquaint yourself with the prophets, what Jesus says in Matthew 24 and Luke 17. The prophets were shown our future, and this coming sixth trumpet, day of the Lord, scared them deeply, Ezekiel 21:7, Isaiah 13:8-9.

    Christian's aren't scared because they weren't taught the proper tenants of the Bible, they think God will unconditionally protect them, no matter how badly their elected leaders behave. Will America will always sit a queen? Isaiah 47:7-11

    The Bible is limited in its 1-4 trumpet descriptions. It is the last 3 end-time trumpets, 5, 6 & 7, that matter for this "last generation" (according to the signs). Half of Revelation 9 is dedicated to the fifth trumpet, the other half to the sixth trumpet. The sixth trumpet army smashes the fifth trumpet army to dust!!! Esau smashes Jacob, Obadiah 1. The king of the north smashes the king of the south, Daniel 11:40. The sixth trumpet is about one third of end-time prophesy; there's much written about it, enough for you to see prophesy unfolding in our time. Not many see what they read, let alone admit God is against backsliding America, Ezekiel 21:12.

    Here's a big prophesy come to light in our time, but I don't expect it to fit in someone else's narrative:

    Revelation 9:1-11 was 9-11-01, America is the fifth trumpet army, running a 20 year war on terror.

    Revelation 9:4 America killed those men who did not have the seal of God in their foreheads (Muslims), and were told not to harm any green tree, and nothing green grows in the desert.

    Revelation 9:6 The Muslims who were tortured at Abu Ghraib prison were seeking death, and couldn't find it.
  • Anonymous - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Richard,

    Between the fifth and sixth trumpets is tribulation. Between the sixth and seventh trumpets is the GREAT tribulation, as Jesus Christ called it himself, Mathew 24:21. We are on the heals of destruction (sixth trumpet), so that means looking back in recent history to pin point the fifth trumpet event, like 9/11/01, Revelation 9:1-11.

    Do you know what occurs at the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord? The abomination of desolation, Matthew 24:15, is brought upon modern day Israel, and the world, setting forth the GREAT tribulation. The world will be a curse, Malachi 4:5-6.



    We are currently in tribulation, at the tail end of the fifth trumpet, and in the midst of Revelation 17. America is pushing a $70 billion proxy war with Russia. The king of the south is facing the mighty Russian beast, whose Dec 25, 1991 deadly wound has healed into the king of the north, Daniel 11:40. It's Esau vs Jacob, leaving Jacob without root nor branch, Obadiah 1. It's also the beast and Babylon, making 3 allegories to confuse you for a lifetime if you can't make the connections.

    We are literally waiting for the US/Israel to strike Iran (or the like), Revelation 6:14 sixth seal, and eventually bring about the sixth trumpet overthrow of the whole house of Israel. US NATO Israel receive their visitation.

    You see, there is a big difference between tribulation and GREAT tribulation.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "The Day of the Lord " 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 13:6-13, Ezekiel 30:3, Joel 1, Joel 2, Amos 5:18-20, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1, Zechariah 14:1, Malachi 4:5, Acts 2:20, 1Thessalonians 5:2, 2Peter 3, Revelation 10, notice Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11:18,19,

    Matthew 25:31-46,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 16 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 14:12,14,16,

    The Bible is interesting about "brother" generations after Esau & Jacob the brotherhood was still very significant to GOD.= Obadiah 1:10,12,13,14,15,

    Jesus speaking : Matthew 12:47-50, John 1:12

    If we can call each other "bro, brother," in slang in our society, just relation in sporting ....? Is it the Son of GOD reference? 2Peter 2, note 2Peter 2:7-9, Romans 8:14, Hebrews 11,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • PROPHECY - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Brother Luke:

    Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day (the day of the Lord: CHRIST IN YOU) on the mount of Olives, which is before (NEW) Jerusalem (Christ in you, the city made of LIVING stones), and the mount of Olives (which is the new Jerusalem) shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (symbolic); and there shall be a very great valley (symbolic),and half of the mountain (symbolic) shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    This Mountain (symbolic of the people that make up this mountain); half represents the mount of Jacob and half the mount of Esau.

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a FIRE (our God is a consuming FIRE: YOU WILL BE: the image of Christ) and the house of Joseph a Flame ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau for stubble; and they SHALL KINDLE IN THEM (as Christ did in you), and devour them, and there shall not be remaining any of the house of ESAU ( Zechariah 14:21); for the Lord hath spoken it.

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (Christ and those called to be HIS IMAGE) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau; and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.



    The called out; I AM the resurrection, will judge the whole world, the mount of Esau, after the resurrection of the dead.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

    Hebrews 11:20 By faith Issac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.

    Genesis 27:40 And by thy (Esau's) sword (not God's sword; the word) shalt thy live (and DIE, and at the resurrection of the dead thou shall ) SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall COME TO PASS (when God's words shall be fulfilled) that thou (also) SHALT HAVE the dominion (the kingdom of God, Christ in you), that thou (through judgement) shall BREAK HIS YOKE from off your neck.

    Psalms 22:All the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER ( Luke 16:25 ...Remember) and turn unto the LORD: (when his judgements are in the earth)
  • PROPHECY - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    What does the overcomer, overcome:

    Is it not unbelief, fearfulness, lying, hating his brothers, etc.

    The same fire and brimstone that is the second death (after the second resurrection) is also the first death (after the first resurrection); that the overcomer goes through.

    Revelation 9:18 By these three were the "THIRD PART" (the overcomers) of man killed (first death), by the fire, by the smoke, and by brimstone, which issued of of their mouth.

    Issued out of THEIR MOUTH ....the WORD OF GOD .....the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone.

    The THIRD PART:

    Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD PART .....

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shalt also take thereof A FEW in number ....

    Ezekiel 5:4 And take of THEM (the FEW) again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall A FIRE come forth unto the house of Israel.

    Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, TWO THIRDS shall be cut off and DIE, but the THIRD PART shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

    Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the fire.

    Obadiah 1:18 ...and the house of Jacob SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph A FLAME, and the house of Esau stubble, and THEY shall kindle IN THEM, and DEVOUR THEM ......

    IN THEM: You don't go to heaven.

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (those who are the image of Christ) shall come upon mount Zion TO JUDGE the mount of ESAU; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    God Bless YOU.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply on Proverbs 1 - 1 year ago
    Sister Amanda:

    The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

    Creation is DECEIVED.

    Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

    John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.

    Why is creation WAITING?

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.

    Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.

    Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.

    Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....

    BELIEF will judge UNBELIEF.

    God Bless YOU, his body.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply on James 1 - 1 year ago
    Giannis:

    It takes all the books of the PROPHETS to understand the PARABLE ( Matthew 13:34) of the rich man and Lazarus.

    Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH his secret unto his servants the PROPHETS.

    Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, if they HEAR NOT Mosses and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    No where in Moses and the prophets does it prophesy that anyone goes to heaven or hell. It prophesies that there will be a Kingdom of God.

    The books of the prophets, prophesies, that the elect will BE BROUGHT through the fire; not avoid it.

    It prophesies that only a third will be brought through the fire in this age; the others will go to the grave and wait for the resurrection to the next age.

    Revelation is a second witness to the prophecies.

    Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and die, and a THIRD shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

    Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ..

    Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD part ..

    Ezekiel 5:3 ..take THEREOF a few in number ..

    Ezekiel 5:4 ...take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall a fire COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a FLAME ....

    Luke 16:24 ....for I am tormented in this FLAME.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his Saints.

    Obadiah 1:21 And Saviours (those that have obtained the next age, the IMAGE OF CHRIST) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    Zechariah 12:8 And in that day ( Revelation 20:9) shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David, and the house of David shall be as (the image of) GOD, and the angel of the LORD before them.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Matthew 24 - 1 year ago
    Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

    Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:

    The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.

    Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8

    Jeremiah 46:10

    Lamentations 2:22

    Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3

    Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20

    Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14

    We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.

    Amos 5:18; 5:20

    Obadiah 1:15

    Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God

    Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3

    Zechariah 14:1

    1 Corinthians 5:5

    2 Corinthians 1:14

    I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)

    1 Thessalonians 5:2

    That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Malachi 1 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 27:41,

    Esau was also called Edom, Genesis 36:1, please read: Obadiah 1, whole chapter

    Note: Obadiah 1:10-14 "For the violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off forever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou was one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossways, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress."

    Obadiah 1:6, Malachi 1, Deuteronomy 2:22, Jeremiah 49:7-22, Judges 11:17, 1Kings 11:14-25, Ezekiel 25:12-14,

    Romans 9:13-15,

    Hopefully these are helpful also, towards more understanding of why GOD said Esau HE hated.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Esdras 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Jerry.

    Take a look here at Obadiah 13-9.

    The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

    Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

    If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

    How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

    All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

    Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

    And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

    For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

    I believe they have mixed in with other tribes. They're no longer a people.

    Read all of Obadiah, only one chapter.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.

    God bless.
  • ELB - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sister GiGi, every Word God has ever spoken WILL COME TO PASS.

    This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to understand, and believe, MOSSES and THE PROPHETS.

    The Spirit of Christ prophesied that ONLY ONE THIRD (vessels of honour) of creation would be CALLED in this age of GRACE (the DAY OF THE LORD).

    Ezekiel 5:1 .....then take three balances and weigh, and DIVIDE the hair ....( Revelation 6:5-6)

    Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn the THIRD PART in the midst of the city ....(you are the new Jerusalem of God)

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW IN NUMBER, and bind them in thy skirts ( Psalms 133:2).

    Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them (the few) and cast them into the FIRE ( Malachi 3:2-3), and burn them (the few) in the FIRE; for thereof (the few) shall a FIRE ( Psalms 104:4) COME FORTH unto the House of Israel (you are the TRUE house of Israel).

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob (Jacob was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph (Joseph was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) shall be a flame, and the house of ESAU for stubble ..

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon Mount Zion, to judge the mount of ESAU; and the KINGDOM (of GOD)(CHRIST IN YOU) shall be the Lord's.

    Zechariah 13:09 And I WILL bring the THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE ..

    Revelation 8:7 ... and there followed HAIL and FIRE .....

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord (the Father ) hath a strong and might one (CHRIST), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm ....

    Isaiah 28:17 ..and the HAIL shall sweep away the refuge of lies ..

    Revelation 8:8 ...as it were a great mountain BURNING WITH FIRE ...

    Daniel 2:35 ...and the stone (CHRIST) that smote THE IMAGE (of the beast)( Revelation 13:15) became a great mountain (Mount Zion) ...

    Revelation 9:18 By these three was a THIRD PART of man killed, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, WHICH ISSUED of there MOUTH.

    The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE comes out of the MOUTH, THE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ARE THE WORD'S OF GOD.
  • Aaron - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Free,

    I live in the US, but all the signs, the tidings ( Ezekiel 21:7) tell me to get out so I don't partake in her bombings ( Revelation 18:4). Why would God instruct that if He didn't mean it? God told Noah to build an ark to escape the flood, God saw that Lott was taken out of Sodom and Gomorrah before it's destruction; there is a pattern here.

    You know the US is never going to stop pushing the king of the north ( Daniel 11:40) until ( Obadiah 1) settles in.

    I have been looking at English speaking areas of the Caribbean Islands, but so far it all seems iffy? I also risk danger when the world is wobbling ( Isaiah 24:20) and I'm rounded up and put in a cage for being Christian.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Dan:

    Do you believe God will send sinners to hell:

    Is GRACE not what abounds to all men, man says you have to believe, Grace says at each man's appointed time; GRACE will CAUSE you to believe. You don't Chose me, I CHOSE YOU.

    Philippians 1:29 For it is GIVEN TO YOU on the behalf of Christ, TO BELIEVE ON HIM....

    Brother Dan, you were GRACED, being able to BELIEVE, you are chosen to be a vessel of honour, but God chooses to make some men to be vessels of dishonour.

    Does GRACE not also apply to them, and when God GRACES them with BELIEF they will RESPOND.

    Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE.

    Romans 11:6 An if by grace, then it is no more of works, otherwise it is no more grace.....

    Romans 11:31 Even so have these also NOT NOW BELIEVED, that through YOUR MERCY they may obtain MERCY.

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    Ephesians 2:7 That in THE AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches OF HIS GRACE in his kindness toward us through Jesus Christ.

    God Bless You.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Chris, man nor anything else can exist without LIFE and there is only one LIFE and that LIFE is Christ.

    All creation has CHRIST IN YOU. They believe they have life of and in themselves, their deceived.

    If Christ removed himself, man would cease to exist.

    Creation's problem is they have no KNOWLEDGE, their void of TRUTH.

    Christ came to destroy the works of the devil.

    When Christ has put all thing under his feet, God will be ALL IN ALL.

    Ephesians 4:6 There is one God and Father of all, and above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.

    ALL CREATION, but they have no KNOWLEDGE.

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount ZION to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the KNOWLEDGE of the Lord, as the ware covers the seas.

    Brother Chris You and I and all the elect of God with our brother and Lord, Jesus Christ, are going to CAUSE this to happen when ALL MANKIND is resurrected back to their flesh, and JUDGED by the TRUTH of God's word. And God WILL BE ALL IN ALL.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Romans 9 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 36:1, Hebrews 11:20, Hebrews 12:14-17,

    Important scriptures on why= Hebrews 12:16

    Obadiah 1:1-21,

    Obadiah 1:10,11,12,13,14

    Hopefully these are helpful in your discussion & understanding.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister GiGi, I quoted scripture;

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    We are being created in the image of Christ, we will be exactly like him and will judge exactly like him.

    Do you believe the saints are going to judge the word.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN: this honour hath all the saints.

    God Bless You!
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother Jesse: Joseph was a saviour, just as we are going to be, when Christ and his elect judge the world.

    Obadiah 1:21

    Genesis 45:7 And God sent me before you to SAVE a posterity in the earth, and to SAVE your lives by a great deliverance.



    Genesis 50:20 But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to SAVE much people alive.

    Joseph was a shadow as was Moses, Adam, Noah, etc. etc. to reveal the TRUE saviour of ALL MANKIND.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they (the ELECT). They have become Son's of God, to judge the earth.

    For WITHOUT are those raised back in the flesh to be judged.

    This judgement is happening on earth after the second resurrection (Could take a thousand years or more, this is hinted at in the prophets).

    Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God kings and priest to REIGN ON EARTH.

    Revelation 2:26 An he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, will I GIVE POWER over the nations: (that are raised back to earthy flesh to be judged)

    Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule (JUDGE) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter they shall be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father ( Psalms 2:8-10).

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be (lake of) A FIRE, and the the house of Joseph A FLAME ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau as STUBBLE, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Christ and his brothers the SON'S OF GOD) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the house of Esau, and the Kingdom (ON EARTH) shall be the LORD'S.

    Jeremiah 51:19-23

    Only the elect will have a glorified body at this time, all other will still have earthly bodies.
  • Mishael - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 27:41

    And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said IN HIS HEART, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; THEN will I my brother Jacob.

    Romans 9:13

    As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    Malachi 1:3

    And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

    Obadiah 1:18

    And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

    KJV Commentary: Esau means

    Hairy, Rebekah's first-born twin son ( Gen. 25:25). The name of Edom, "red", was also given to him from his conduct in connection with the red lentil pottage for which he sold his birthright (30, 31). The circumstances connected with his birth foreshadowed the enmity which afterwards subsisted between the "twin brothers and the nations they founded (25:22, 23, 26). In the process of time Jacob following his natural bent, became a shepherd; while Esau, a "son of the desert," devoted himself to the perilous and toilsome life of a huntsman. On a certain occasion, on returning from the chase, urged by the cravings of hunger, Esau SOLD his birthright to his brother, Jacob, who thereby obtained the covenant blessing ( Gen. 27:28, 29, 36; Heb. 12:16, 17). He afterwards tried to regain what he had so recklessly parted with, but was defeated in his attempts through the stealth of his brother ( Gen. 27:4, 34, 38). At the age of forty years, to the great grief of his parents, he "married ( Gen. 26:34, 35) two Canaanite maidens,

    Esau tried to conciliate his parents ( Gen. 28:8, 9) by marrying his cousin Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael. This led him to cast in his lot with the "Ishmaelite tribes (present day Palestinians) and driving the Horites out of Mount Seir, he settled in that region.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister Shirley, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the CHILDREN OF GOD.

    When God has gathered all the Sons of GOD (those being born again NOW), then he will resurrect all the dead back into their flesh and those sons with him will JUDGE THE EARTH.

    Isaiah 26:9 .... For when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    Proverbs 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged .....

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall have been subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    Does this sound like God is going to send men to hell INSTEAD OF SAVING THEM.


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