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  • Richard H Priday - 1 month ago
    God's apparent contradictions: Examining Psalm 107 compared to Proverbs 1:26-28 and like passages

    We see in the first example God's patience when people were about to head to destruction; either physical or spiritual death or both how throughout several earlier Biblical events God's people were delivered and rescued when at wits end and they called upon His name. The second passage and others such as we find in Jeremiah and Micah to name just two show where God will not hear; and in the case of this section of Proverbs mocks them in their calamity.

    One can generalize of how God chastises all those He loves such as we see in Proverbs 3:12 (just a couple chapters later) and Hebrews 12:6. These techniques were primarily for the nation of Israel in the Old Testament and His church today. Exceptions exist; however such as those who offered profane fire before the Lord in Numbers 16 who deliberately rebelled against God's chosen prophet (Moses) and suffered immediate judgment. Moses surely wasn't the only one either who was saved but couldn't enter the Promised Land (only Caleb and Joshua could from the original generation along with their children).

    In the case of Pagan nations; such as in Psalm 2 and examples of wholesale slaughter in the Old Testament of the nations around Israel were a result of their vile abominations; with child sacrifice being a top thing causing wrath no doubt. Psalm 2 is a parallel to Revelation 19 where those having taken the Mark of the Beast are led by the 3 frog like spirits coming out of Satan's evil "trinity" to be led to Armageddon to fight Christ (although there may be some trickery at first to convince them that they are fighting the last battle for control over the earth by destroying the armies coming against Antichrist.)

    This gives us assurance that those who are His elect will be saved; even if chastisement shortens their earthly existence ( 1 Cor. 11:30). This is the difference between those He hears or not.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 month ago
    God as a jealous God: Looking deeper into the covenant with Israel

    All men were created according to God's purposes and therefore are subject to God who is the Lord over the whole earth. Psalm 139 discusses how man was "fearfully and wonderfully made" so therefore before the fall we had the capacity to walk in perfect innocence before the Lord. The capacity or potential for evil and sin was present; however and we see that occurring with Lucifer as well as Adam and Eve in the garden (although with the angelic beings there may have been a longer period of time for their fall). In a sense it "rains upon the just and the unjust" ( Matt. 5:45) so that in this life there is a restraint of judgment on sin.

    The Lord chastises all those who are His own; therefore this principle applies to individuals as well as those who were part of those He brought forth in the Exodus up until the Israel of the present day. Being on the side of God as opposed to the pagans doesn't give room for justification of pride; and being a recipient of blessings around us for a season doesn't guarantee our own salvation either ( Romans 9:6-7). This passage shows a bloodline who were in God's geneology didn't guarantee anything either.

    Yesterday I considered the incident starting in Numbers 16 with the rebellion of the sons of Korah. Mercifully; there are Psalms from their descendants who survived that seem to bring hope that some were repentant after this terrifying judgment. The complaints the next day after the 250 were sucked down into the earth (which was directed to Moses) of somehow fomenting God's anger resulted in a plague. The incidents of rebellion among the exiles are too many tomention here; it is noteworthy to note that only Joshua and Caleb from that original generation were allowed to cross the Jordan after nearly 40 years wandering around in the desert. Moses surely was a child of God but couldn't make it due to one specific incident striking a stone in anger.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 month ago
    Concluding statements on the "emotions" of God related to His covenants

    It has been said that the book of Revelation is the "Grand Central Station" of scripture. Here we see His righteous 144,000 and their entourage of countless multitudes which overcome; and the return of Christ where He rules and reigns from Jerusalem (as stated in Revelation 19-21) and finally the last chapter which goes to the eternal state. The struggle of Israel at that time is brought forth in Revelation 12 with the woman and the other signs of the sun and moon and stars.

    When considering the extent of God's wrath we understand it is eternal (and conversely also for all the saved saints enjoying bliss in heaven). Man was made with eternity in their hearts ( Ecclesiastes 3:11) as God Himself is eternal who is their Creator. The seemingly volatile and unhinged behavior that many outside the faith blame the God of the Bible of having is in reality evidence of His longsuffering; we see a preview of hell for the first time literally in the book of Numbers 16:22-35. This was due to the sons of Korah attempting to be part of the priesthood and to usurp the authority of Moses. We see evidences of the people attempting to intercede to stop more widespread destruction in verses 22 to 24 with some success; also in verses 45 through 48 Moses didn't have to ask what to do after God promised widespread judgment; he was allowed to intercede standing in front of the Lord between the dead and living (v. 48). These chapters are interesting and warrant further study as to things that are purified and made holy and in light of the present observations more I'm sure could be deduced.

    These and other passages show that the Lord offers a way out from His wrath in His prescribed methodology only. The rebellion the day after people literally were swallowed up and sent to hell because of being annoyed with Moses for God being angry and following through on His threats serves as a warning to us all.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    The subject of hell-A necessary discussion

    I have had a situation where a brother attending our church in small group has expressed doubts as to whether the lost remain in hell forever; as well as whether there is a state of "soul sleep" between the death of the body and our Resurrection.

    This isn't the first time I've run into someone who felt that there was a "soul sleep" due to verses describing what appears at first glance to verify that theory. The answer lies in the meaning of the passage as to the word "qeber" which indicates the body ceasing to exist and "sheol" which is the realm of the underworld (in O.T. times where all went before the Resurrection allowed Satan not to hold the power of death). ( Heb. 2:14-15; Psalm 68:18; Matt. 27:52-53).

    A logical analysis would determine that if we did cease to exist; there would no longer be wrath against us so that if we were to revive and we didn't exist for a time; then He would suddenly have to rekindle wrath; and also have to take into account the time when we weren't around as we couldn't still have a sin nature in that case. It also nullifies what appears to be a real account of Lazarus and the rich man in hell where Abraham was mentioned; along with those who appeared at the Transfiguration having to be explained away as some apparation.

    It also puts a major damper on our evangelism. What kind of conviction do we have if the messenger is in doubt of God's Word in such a metter? There are dozens of mentions of hell even in the Old Testament in Psalms; as well as the account in Numbers where Korah and his immediate family was taken alive to hell ( Numbers 16:32-33). I haven't seen the stats on that subject but with the rejection of many key doctrines by today's so called "evangelicals" I would bet at least half don't believe in a literal hell.

    In short to not include hell with heaven is like cutting all verses about the wicked attached to ones about the righteous; decimating Psalms.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 84 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 84. This Psalm once again is written for the sons of Korah and addressed TO the chief musician "upon Gittith". The theory apparently is that there was a certain musical style that was attributed to whoever this people were.

    Remembering once again the rebellion in Numbers 16; there is a pretty clear indication in verse 10 of the event as it is stated that being a doorkeeper in God's house than to "dwell in the tents of wickedness." This should help us keep in mind situations such as that of Sodom and Gomorrah as well where Lot escaped "as through the flames" ( Gen. 11:27; 1 Cor. 3:15).

    We are given future promises as well. Men will come to worship every year in Jerusalem ( Zech. 14:16) or else face punishment. (verses 5-8). We even see provision for birds who will apparently nest there (verse 3) Verse 6 shows how there will be ample water in the area at that time as well. The verse of the anointed in verse 9 surely refers to Christ; although David will once again rule as well as ourselves as "kings and priests" ( Hosea 3:5; Rev. 5:10).

    Verse 12 shows a very important principle of trust and blessedness associated with it. If we desire a blessing we must live according to His righteousness and be obedient in service out of love ( John 14:15).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi David.

    I understand what you are saying and agree. The invitation goes out to the whole world as mentioned in 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The thing is many will not come, many will travel the wide gate as mentioned in Mathews 7:13. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: "MANY WILL BE DECEIVED"

    God knows who will come to him being he is omniscient; he is all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past present and future as he stands outside of time looking in.

    I believe you see an example of this in Numbers 16:5 "And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

    "The knowing comes before the choosing"

    WHEN IT COMES TO BACKSLIDING.

    We can look at the prodigal son in Luke 15:11-32 and those described as the dogs and pigs in 2 Peter 2:9-22.

    The prodigal son and the pigs went back home!

    THE PRODIGAL SON BACK TO HIS FATHERS HOUSE, and the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    The son went the way of the world but he never lost his sonship, a lost child of God will always be found by the great shepherd!

    He will return or he NEVER was a child of God.

    Those described in 2 Peter 2:9-22 returned back to the world because they never were sheep.

    You can "profess" Christ and go through all the motions and great deeds all your life and never have Christ and be told depart from me I never knew you. Mathews 7:21-23.

    God bless.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Luke 1 - 1 year ago
    Luke 1:5-23,

    Leviticus 8:33-36, Exodus 30:1-10, 2Chronicles 2:4, Revelation 8:4,

    Numbers 16:46,47, 1Chronicles 6:49, Exodus 29:36,37,

    Isaiah 1:11-20, Romans 5, Hebrews 10,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • Sariah on Numbers 16 - 1 year ago
    Could someone give me a quick summary of Numbers 16 please?
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    John 17, Jeremiah 30:18-21, John 6:44, John 15:16,19, Romans 8:28-30,

    Numbers 16:5,

    Matthew 20:16, Matthew 22:14,

    John 6:70, John 13:18, Acts 1:2,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Separated: Exodus 33:16, Leviticus 20:24, Numbers 6:2, Numbers 16:9, Deuteronomy 10:8, 1Chronicles 23:13, 1Chronicles 25:1, Galatians 1:15,

    Numbers 8:14, 1Kings 8:53, Jeremiah 1:5, Matthew 25:32-41, Luke 6:22, Acts 13:2, 2Corinthians 6:17, Hebrews 7:26, Matthew 22:1-14, 1Peter 2:9,

    Romans 9:21-24,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 48 - 1 year ago
    A clear millennial psalm. We see here the city of Zion; in which the kings of the earth fear, (v. 4-5). Verse 6 shows a travailing similar to birth pangs in Matthew. The Heavenly city on the "sides of the north" could be describing it hanging over the earth; and/or indicate its eventual landing as it were on earth during the restoration forming the new heavens and earth.

    Verse 13 about the "generation following" seems to show natural descendants as other millenial verses indicate as well. Death will be for mainly rebels during the millennium; but he is our guide in all dispensations or time frames until death is conquered with the new heaven and earth ( 1 Cor. 15:55).

    It is interesting to see that some of the sons of Korah remained obedient after the rebellion earlier ( Numbers 16).
  • Who was Korah - In Reply on Psalms 47 - 2 years ago
    Numbers 16

    Korah was a Levite, a cousin of Moses, and a man of ability and influence. Though appointed to the service of the tabernacle, he had become dissatisfied with his position and aspired to the dignity of the priesthood.

    Korah led a revolt against Moses; he died, along with all his co-conspirators, when God caused "the earth to open her mouth and swallow him and all that appertained to them" ( Numbers 16:31-33).

    Korah is the central figure in the story of the revolt against the authority and status of Moses at the time of the wanderings in the wilderness ( Num. 16). According to the story in its present form, Dathan and Abiram of the tribe of Reuben, together with 250 chieftains of the community, also took part in this revolt.

    It was significant this accusation was made publicly, in front of 250 leaders of the congregation; men of renown.

    Men like Korah are always playing to an audience, always trying to draw a following after themselves - after Moses has already gathered the nation and led them this far, of course.
  • Charles Robert Northup - In Reply on Psalms 47 - 2 years ago
    Numbers 16 gives the account of Korah seems he gather renown men to go against Moses and Arron God separated Moses and his men and then destroyed Korah and those who were with him. Maybe that Korah pulled a Lucifer on Moses and thought Moses lifted himself up not God and he and his contingent was holier than Moses was. Maybe it's warning to others of this act of rebellion against God
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 88 - 2 years ago
    The sons of Korah had a dark history when the earth swallowed those directly involved in the rebellion in Numbers 16 where 250 were swallowed up by the earth and apparently went to hades immediately and while still alive. There could certainly be a recognition of the fate by the author who apparently at the very least was sympathetic to what happened. In regard to the text; where he says he is in the lower parts of the earth (v.6); and the hopelessness personally expressed here as in no other section of scripture it is certainly conceivable that he had a real revelation of hell. Such torments as listed in the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man

    (starting in Luke 16:20) illustrate an account of an individual still in hell today from real life who is the nameless rich man. Such is the situation of the lost after death and this chapter should be enough to scare someone straight to repentance realizing there is no hope apart from Christ. Sadly; though when the rich man sought for someone to be raised from the dead he was told by Abraham that they would not listen; and the implication is that even those who see many not believe-as is evidenced by the rebellious Jews in the Book of Acts.

    For the heart to respond it must be changed from the stony heart to one of flesh ( Ezekiel 11:19). It must be something which God grants to His elect; no man comes to Christ unless the Father draws Him first ( John 6:44). May He grant that to some today.
  • Niles Livingston Sr. on 1 Corinthians 14 - 5 years ago
    Let's STOP this CONFUSION ( I Cor. 14:33; James 3:1-16 ). Eze. 2:1-3:27; 13:1-23; Isa. 3:12; 9:16; 56:9-12; Jer.5:20-31; 23:1-40; Zech. 5:1-11; Isa. 30:1-3; Eze. 28:14-19; I Cor. 11:1-15; Isa. 2:6-22; Numbers 16:1-50; Amos 9:10; Mal. 2:17; Isa. 33:14; Amos 5:21-23; Psalm 5:5; Matt. 7:21-23, 26-27; Acts 20:27; 24:14; I Tim. 2:1-15; I Cor. 14:34-37; Rev. 2:20-24; Matt. 15:7-14; Rom. 16:17-18; Amen!
  • Jeff on Revelation 8:5 - 10 years ago
    The seven angels are ready to pour out God's wrath; the seven last plagues. Look at Numbers 16:46-50 and you will see why the censer has been thrown to the earth. The censer is thrown to the earth to protect those who believe in Jesus and to prevent all of mankind from being killed from God's wrath.


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