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  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 16.

    Rocky Soil

    The second type is rocky ground. Notice this:

    But he that received the seed in stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and immediately with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while; for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, immediately he is offended. ( Matthew 13:20, 21)

    These are the rocky-ground hearers. The devil got the first type, the flesh gets these. These folk are opposite from deep-freeze folk. These are the emotional type - with joy they receive the Word. How excited they become! They are greatly moved, they shed tears, they have strong feelings. I call these the Alka-Seltzer type. They are effervescent; they bubble up when they hear the Word. But, believe me, after it is all gone they are dead.

    Years ago, while sitting in the observation coach of a train coming out of Fort Worth, Texas, I saw somebody drop off a newspaper. When the rear of the train went by, that paper fluttered up and, oh, how it kicked up a fuss. As we moved on down the track I saw it settling down and finally going dead. As I looked at it, the thought came to me that it is like a lot of church members I know. When something special comes along they become excited and enthusiastic. But when it comes down to the real study of the Word of God they are dead. They are rocky-ground hearers.

    See Part 17.

    Thorny soil.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 15.

    Wayside Soil

    Some seed fell by the wayside:

    When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the wayside. ( Matthew 13:19)

    None of these who hear the Word are Christians - they are merely professors. The birds take the seed away. The birds by the way, as interpreted in another parable, represent the devil. The evil one takes away the seed. This happens to church members who are only professing Christians. They hear the Word, but it is not with the hearing of faith. For them the Word is not mixed with faith at all. They have a formal faith. They nod their heads in agreement, but to them Christianity is a sideline, it is a sideshow. They come to church once on Sunday, and that ends it for the week as far as they are concerned. I like to speak of these as the "deep-freeze" folk. The seed will be killed in the deep-freeze. These are the folk who hear it, hear it for years - then finally fall off into some cult or ism.

    A man said to me when I was a pastor, "Don't get the idea that your church turns out one hundred percent members. I know one who is in a certain cult - he knocked at my door the other day." I bow my head in shame; I'm afraid that is true. Although the seed that I sow is good seed, it does fall on some wayside soil.

    See Part 15.

    Rocky Soil
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 10.

    In the very next chapter He sends them forth. Where does He send the laborers and what does He have them preach? He sends them to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, saying, "Go not to the Gentiles," and He instructs them to tell the nation of Israel that the King is here. That was their message. To what does the harvest refer? It refers to judgment and to the end of the age. That is the picture. An age begins by God sowing seed; it ends by the harvest of both good and bad.

    Besides the parable of the sower, we have another parable in Matthew 13 in which our Lord speaks along this very same line of harvest and judgment. He says concerning the wheat and tares:

    Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn. ( Matthew 13:30)

    This is the end of the age, you see. Then notice verse 39:

    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age.

    At the end of the age comes harvest time. That is one reason I think it is valid to say that we are harvesting today - we are gleaning in the corners because we are at the end of an age. But let us understand one thing: We must sow before we can have a harvest. That is the reason I am insisting that our scriptural terms be accurate. Harvesting refers to judgment and the end of an age.

    Notice another verse of Scripture dealing with harvest. It is a picture of the battle of Armageddon, one of the most frightful pictures in the Bible:

    And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap; for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. ( Revelation 14:15)

    See Part 11.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 9

    Some Seed.

    And he spoke many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow. ( Matthew 13:3)

    He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man. ( Matthew 13:37)

    A Sower went forth to sow, and that Sower is the Son of man. I repeat this because it is so important. It defines the present-day activity of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is His contemporary work - sowing seed, sowing the Word of God in the world.

    In this day He is rejected as King and as Savior. Nonetheless, He is not defeated. The kingdom is coming, and while the kingdom is in abeyance He is dressed as a farmer sowing seed. His plans have not been interrupted. Many speak of the postponed kingdom. Personally, I do not like that expression because I do not think He has postponed anything. This thing is running according to His plan. It was not postponed from His viewpoint - it may be from our viewpoint, but not from His. Regardless of that, this is the day for sowing seed.

    Now we do need to make a distinction here. I do not want to quibble nor split hairs, but follow me for a moment. The preaching of the Word is commonly called the harvest. Yet harvest time is not the picture for today; the picture for today is sowing time. Somebody says, "But didn't Jesus say, 'Pray ye, therefore, the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest'?" Yes, He did, but do you know in what connection He said it? It is well to put Scripture where it belongs. Notice Matthew 9:36-38:

    But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they were faint, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the laborers are few. Pray ye, therefore, the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest.

    See Part 10.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 8

    What is Christ doing today? Oh, I know, the saints like to say that He ascended to heaven and is sitting at God's right hand, but if you interpret that to mean that He is doing nothing, you miss it. He said, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work" ( John 5:17). He is busy today. But what is He doing? He is the King, but He has been rejected. And since He has been rejected He has taken off His crown, He has put it to the side. He has taken off His royal robe and has put on the clothes of a farmer. He is sowing seed in the world today. Sowing seed is His business.

    Now let's define that in spiritual terms. Let's translate it from agriculture to theology. What is He sowing? What is this seed that our Lord is sowing in the world? We do not have to guess. In Matthew 13:19 we read, "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom." What, then, is the seed? It is the Word. The Bible that I hold in my hand is the seed. And there is life in it. It is just as potent as any seed planted in the ground. The Word of God is seed.

    What is the field where the seed is being sown? Matthew 13:38 gives the answer: "The field is the world." So now we have the sower identified, we have the seed identified, and we have the field identified. This is the picture of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Sower, taking the Word of God and sowing it in the world. That is His business today.

    Again I want to remind you that the field is not the church, it is Christendom. The field is the world today.

    See Part 9.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 7.

    In these parables, the Lord Jesus reached out in life and chose the simplest stories to illustrate the sublimest truths. They are tremendous when you begin to look at them. He took the commonplace to set forth the remarkable. He took the ordinary to reveal the extraordinary. He reached out into the natural in order to give truth concerning the supernatural. He employed the parable, for which the simplest definition still holds good - an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. When our Lord began His parable by saying, "Behold, a sower went forth to sow," He was picturing one of the most familiar sights in Palestine. They had seen it hundreds of times. And it is a familiar sight in America today. All the way from Pocatello, Idaho, to Pensacola, Florida, they are sowing seed in the spring of the year. All the way from Chicago, Illinois, to Rancho Cucamonga, California, sowers are going forth to sow. All the way from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Muleshoe, Texas, sowing is a familiar sight. "Behold, a sower went forth to sow" - you can't get anything more familiar than that to illustrate spiritual truth.

    Now the interpretation of this parable is very simple. Only a theological professor could miss it! Ordinary folk such as you and I do not see a lot of complication. It is very simple because Christ gave us the interpretation. He has identified each part and phase of this parable.

    First of all, the sower. Who is he? Let's first identify him since he happens to be central in the parable. In Matthew 13:37 where our Lord interpreted the parable of the wheat and tares, we read: "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man." By this we know that He, Himself, the one who spoke the parable, is the sower. This defines the work of the Lord Jesus Christ with reference to the world today.

    See Part 8.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 6.

    Standing on the threshold of the New Testament we find that He is rejected. There is a realization of the kingdom, but not now - it is yet in the future. There is to be a consummation of all things. The kingdom is coming. Therefore it is a progressive term. Throughout the eternal ages, "kingdom" will never be a static term. That is what Isaiah said in speaking of the King: "Of the increase of his governmentthere shall be no end" ( Isaiah 9:7). It will constantly increase and develop. There will never be anything static about heaven.

    In Scripture we discover that the kingdom has moved through several stages. Back in the Old Testament it was a hope; it was an expectation. Now, since the King has been rejected, what has happened to the kingdom? What is its present condition? The answer is found in Matthew 13, which is the reason these seven or eight parables are elevated to such importance - they reveal the present manifestation of the kingdom.

    Now let me be technical for a moment. It is fatal to any biblical interpretation to make the kingdom of heaven a synonymous term with the church. One does not equal the other. While it is true that the church is in the kingdom of heaven today, the kingdom of heaven is a broader term and is more accurately described as Christendom. Every place the Word of God is preached produces a kingdom of heaven condition, but in no place has any section of the world been totally converted and everyone brought into the church. So what you have in the parables of Matthew 13 is a picture of the present hour in which we live. This chapter reveals the present state of the kingdom.

    See Part 7.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 2.

    The punctuation following the title may look strange to you, but it tells the story of this parable. In fact, it divides the parable into three points, which we will consider. First, SOME SEED. This is merely a statement - the parable is about some seed. Secondly, we have SOME SEED? There is a question about what the seed will produce because of the variableness of the soil. What will happen to the seed that is sown? Thirdly, SOME SEED! The exclamation point indicates the tremendous power in the seed - what it will do when it falls on good soil.

    The Gospel of Matthew is very important. It is the open door to the Bible. If you are to understand the Bible, the Gospel of Matthew is the entrance that leads to it. It is not only a door, it is a swinging door. It swings back into the Old Testament, gathering up more prophecies than does any of the other Gospel records, and then it swings on into the New Testament farther than any other Gospel, for it is Matthew alone that mentions the church.

    The thirteenth chapter of Matthew is the hinge on which the door swings. In this chapter are several parables. The parable of the sower, with its interpretation, is the first parable and one of two that the Lord Jesus Christ interpreted. Therefore this parable is the key to the thirteenth chapter. And if it is the key to the thirteenth chapter which is the hinge, and the door is the Gospel of Matthew, you can see that the parable of the sower is the key to the understanding of the Bible! That is how important it really is.

    After our Lord gave the parable, He said to His disciples, "It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven" ( Matthew 13:11).

    Now we want to look at this parable that deals, as do all of them in Matthew 13, with the subject of the kingdom of heaven.

    See Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "When God's Word is faithfully taught, it falls on four kinds of ground. What kind of ground are you?"

    Article from J Vernon Mcgee.

    Part 1.

    The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the seaside. And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a boat, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. And he spoke many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; and when he sowed, some of the seeds fell by the wayside, and the fowls came and devoured them. Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth; and forthwith they sprang up, because they had no deepness of earth. And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up, and choked them. But other seeds fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.Hear, therefore, the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the wayside. But he that received the seed in stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and immediately with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while; for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, immediately he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this age, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed in the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it, who also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. ( Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23)

    See Part 2.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Leaven and Tares

    Part 1.

    Leviticus 23:17.

    Matthew 13:31-33.

    What does these scriptures have in common?

    Leaven in the Bible always represents evil and corruption.

    Why is ir mentioned in these particular passages?

    Leviticus 23:17.

    Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with LEAVEN; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

    Matthew 13:31-33.

    Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

    Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

    Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto LEAVEN, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was LEAVENED.

    In the OT leaven was a type of sin, evil, or corruption. When the two angels visited Lot in Sodom they were invited to eat "unleavened bread" ( Gen. 19:3). In connection with Israel's redemption from Egypt they were to eat the Passover with "unleavened bread" ( Ex. 12:8). Leaven was to be excluded from all blood offerings and sacrificial offerings made by fire.

    In Leviticus 7:13 the leaven is present in the offering because sin is still present in the offerer! Leaven was permitted in the two wave loaves of Leviticus 23:17 because they represent two classes, the Jew and Gentile who are now made one in Christ. Although saved, the old nature is still present. When bread typifies Christ, it is unleavened; when bread typifies man, it is always leavened.

    Jesus warned the disciples to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" ( Matthew 16:6; and Luke 12:1).

    See part 2.
  • David0920 - 1 year ago
    Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

    Psalms 49:3 My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding.

    Psalms 49:4 I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.

    Mark 4:33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

    Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

    Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

    Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

    Matthew 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

    Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

    Matthew 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

    Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    Matthew 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 38 - 1 year ago
    John 15:2, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:17,18,19, Matthew 12:33, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 6, Luke 8, Galatians 5:22,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Predestination part 3. (eternal fate heaven or hell).

    When we are "conformed to the image of His Son" ( Romans 8:29) we see the concept of predestination and "first fruits" there; which would foreshadow a Rapture/Resurrection event. Another way to put it is that those who read the Beatitudes on a surface level or human level of understanding see a humanitarian sort of principle of for instance; how to be "peacemakers"; feed the poor; etc. ANYONE; even an atheist can do such things but it is only the Holiness of God through the Spirit after true conversion that gives us the reality of that in our souls. No amount of penance; self sacrifice or other actions can give us more of a desire for God's Holiness if it doesn't already exist in someone's soul! Nonetheless "faith without works is dead." ( James 2:17). Poducing fruit is essential for a true believer as we see with the Parable of the Sower and the seed.

    There are also various levels of suffering in hell as well as rewards in heaven. We see this in Matthew 11:20-24 with several cities in mind. Also we see this in Matthew 13:8 as to the 30 fold and 100 fold producers (also see 1 Cor. 15:41).

    I am fairly dogmatic as to those before the age of accountability not being punished for their sin NATURE since they haven't acted out the sin knowing that they are rebels against God. When we look at Romans 7:9-11; we understand this concept; and when we see the story of David and his son who died ( 2 Samuel 12:23) we see evidence of this amongst other places ( Psalm 8:2 for example).

    Another way of looking at is is the verse "we will not have this man to rule over us." ( Luke 19:14). This is what all say who go against the Man who God has given all authority to in heaven and earth ( Matt. 28:18). If we disbelieve the living Word ( Heb. 4:12 etal) then we reject His authority and preservation as well as 2 Timothy 3:16 which states all scripture is breathed of God..

    Or; Luke 10:16 rejecting you is rejecting me.
  • Chris - In Reply on Joshua 21 - 1 year ago
    Hello William. My understanding is that Joseph & Mary were married prior to Jesus' Birth. If I'm reading Matthew 1:24,25 correctly: "Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS"; it seems that after Joseph had settled in his heart that Mary was not unfaithful during their betrothal period, he then married her ("took unto him his wife"), did not demand his conjugal rights ("knew her not"), but abstained until the promised Messiah Babe would be born. Of course, after this Divine Birth, Joseph & Mary went on to have other children ( Matthew 13:55,56).
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Genesis 7 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Rob Gbu...Good Question....The New Heaven and New Earth will come via his Seed...The contents of the Book that he wrote with his own blood...Unless The Lord of Sabaoth had left us a SEED We wd have been made like unto Sodom and Gomarath...Isaiah says as the new heaven and the new earth will remain so shall thy seed and Name remain...Plz Note that the Kingdom of God does not come till the Woman is in birth pains... Rev 12:10...After the Book is opened...The Words of the book are the seeds of the sower as Jesus said the good seeds are Children of the Kingdom...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Jesus had a secret thats y he always spoke in parables...It was not time for the Children to be born in us which is the H.G..The Israel of God, That Woman giving birth is US Humanity as Jesus said the field is the world where that good seed will be sown.... Matthew 13:26

    .....When the disciples argued among themselves who was the greatest....Jesus sat a child in their midst..And they asked Jesus who was greatest in the KiNGDOM OF God and Jesus replied unless ya be converted and become as a lil Child you Matthew 18:2 ...Which is the H.G. The Child of Promise....Rev.12:10....Now is come salvation and the power of his Christ ( the manchild) that is gonna rule all nations...Which is our new heart and new spirit...Our New Innerman...The H.G. THAT Child of Promise...God swore by himself when he made that great Promise that Jesus wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...When a seed dies it multiplies...Thus the H.G. is that Child of Promise...And whosoever receiveth one Child in MY NAME RECEIVETH ME...thats Y THE H.G. has to me in his name...A lil one is gona become a 1000 and a small one a strong nation...I the Lord will hasten it in its time...An Israel of God Which is gonna be perfect...by his seed the words of the book that wrote with is own blood...Be ye Perfect as your father in heaven is perfect... Matthew 5:48...Gbu
  • Anonymous - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Anonymous Alex N...Roman thank you for your reply I don't understand all your response but Gbu...Very interesting tho....Anything about Israel is interesting to me...But the Woman is very unique she can only be the Good ground the bride that has been impregnated by the good seed, The words of the book that New Covenant that has just been opened...As Jesus said the field is the world where the good seed will be sown.. Matthew 13:38...We know that Jesus is the bridegroom the sower of that good seed...Thus the wheat has to be a baby Christ...The H.G....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations...And her Child was caught up to God and to his Throne...Remember Jesus said to whom the word came (in the volume of the book ) it made them Gods....Roman imo just me i don't think that the womans Child is of this World...I think he is a baby GOD...Her Child is spirit as we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear the image of the heavenly...As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that has to be born in humanity via his seeds the words of the book that New Covenant that he wrote with his own blood.

    .....We gotta remember that God Almighty swore by himself when he made that Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thus its God himself that wants to be multiplied in humanity the world thus there will be an Israel of God ....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came....(the living word that new covenant )...it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken...When Jesus breathe on his disciples they were impregnated by his words as his breath was his words...Even in the natural our breath are our words...but with Jesus his words are the very seeds of God...The H.G a living being God was born in them...Thats y they refered to the H.G. as the Promise...he is the multiplication of God in humans The Promise...ok lemme go....Gbu Roman
  • The Truth Shall Set You Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    Matthew 13:36-43

    36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    It does seem "pre-destination" has a good case. That being said, there was a time when I was an unbeliever/did not know the truth. It is my belief that those who belong to God will be given the revelation of the truth, that Jesus Christ is The Son of God, no matter what at some point in their lives. Whether that revelation be given at the midpoint of someones life, or on their deathbed as the thief on the cross.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Earl,

    While you didn't directly address the questions, your chosen response indicates you might believe the New Testament isn't literal and are just parables to you, is that correct? You quoted the old testament suggesting that you might think that's literal, however. Do you mind sharing how you came to this belief?

    For the benefit of anyone else reading this there are plenty of verses in the Bible about the literal hell:

    Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

    Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    etc

    Do you believe Jesus literally is Lord and literally died on the cross for you?
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

    It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

    1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Matthew 13:10
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Lorraine i just wanted to add one thing....Even if we do sin there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit....There is no way we can be bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God without getting a Tare which is Satans seed....Jesus tells us while men slept satan came and sowed Tares among the Wheat...And Jesus said to let them grow together till the Harvest....Thus we are gonna sin sometimes but there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....The reason there is no condemnation is simply b/c we cannot help it...Its the Tares that make us do it...Thats y Paul said if i do something i don't consent unto, its not i that does it but sin (the Tare) that is in my members.... Romans 7:16

    .....Thats the good part, There is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus....Simply b/c its the Tares that make us do it...Thats y Jesus is saying we must endure to the end which is the Harvest when the Tares are gona be burnt to ashes....And we the Wheat the H.G. That Child of PROMISE are gona be taken to his barn...The Kingdom...But for now its Kingdom against Kingdom....war in Heaven b/c of the Tares...Satans seed....Just read Matthew 13:18 for a clear picture of the 2 seeds...The Wheat and the Tares...One will be taken and 1 will be left...k lemme go
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Does God use vessels of dishonour and nations to perform his will?

    I believe so, here's a few reasons why

    Romans 9:18-23.

    Habakkuk 1:5-11. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

    For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's.

    They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

    They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

    And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

    Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

    Another question asked is there such things as demon possession?

    Here's what I believe and I'm not sure if it classifies as demon possession.

    I believe there's ministers of Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

    These are amongst us everywhere we go and can be identified as tares. Matthew 13:36-42.

    EVIL SPIRITS.

    Satan is the prince of the world and he influences the flesh. the natural man. and the nations.

    1 John 4:1-3.

    These tares may also be seen in Jude 1:1-25.

    You can't always identify these tares with their Doctrine, some of their Doctrine sounds very familiar, but what they "seem" to believe in doesn't humble them and in areas of baring fruit they seems to be lacking. This causes a closer look at their theology and you find them taking a sharp left on the path.

    1 John 2:19.

    God bless."
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Does God use vessels of dishonour and nations to perform his will?

    I believe so, here's a few reasons why

    Romans 9:18-23.

    Habakkuk 1:5-11. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

    For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's.

    They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.

    They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.

    And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it.

    Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god.

    Another question asked is there such things as demon possession?

    Here's what I believe and I'm not sure if it classifies as demon possession.

    I believe there's ministers of Satan.

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

    These are amongst us everywhere we go and can be identified as tares. Matthew 13:36-42.

    EVIL SPIRITS.

    Satan is the prince of the world and he influences the flesh. the natural man. and the nations.

    1 John 4:1-3.

    These tares may also be seen in Jude 1:1-25.

    You can't always identify these tares with their Doctrine, some of their Doctrine sounds very familiar, but what they "seem" to believe in doesn't humble them and in areas of baring fruit they seems to be lacking. This causes a closer look at their theology and you find them taking a sharp left on the path.

    1 John 2:19.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Hi.

    This is not an attempt to start a new thread on demonic spirits or evil spirits.

    I just wanted to share just a few scriptures on them and why I believe they exist and are amongst us.

    Their mission is to lure you away or distort the truth in DIVERSE WAYS!! ( Their Doctrine may sound a lot like yours, IF they believe the Doctrine of truth they will bare fruit. )

    1 John 4:1-3.

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.

    Matthew 12:43-45.

    Jude 1:4.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

    And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Matthew 13:37-40.

    Notice who planted the tares?

    I believe God with his sovereignty and foreknowledge uses vessels of dishonour to accomplish his will.

    Romans 9:17-23. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

    Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

    Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    HATH NOT THE POTTER POWER OVER THE CLAY, OF THE SAME LUMP TO MAKE ONE VESSEL UNTO HONOUR, AND ANOTHER UNTO DISHONOUR?

    What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the VESSELS OF WRATH FITTED TO DESTRUCTION:

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    Also notice

    Habakkuk 1:5-11.

    God bless.
  • Christian1971 - 1 year ago
    The Parable Of The Sower

    Matthew 13:1-9

    1. The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

    2. And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore

    3. And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a Sower went forth to sow;

    4.' And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

    5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had b deepness of earth:

    6. And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had not root, they withered away.

    7. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them.

    8. But others fell on good ground, and brought forth fruit some, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

    9. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
  • Christian1971 - 1 year ago
    The Parable Of The Sower Explained

    Matthew 13:18-23

    18. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

    19. When any one heareth the word of the kingdom and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

    20. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon joy receiveth it;

    21. Yet hath he not rooted himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

    22. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfullness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

    23. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it, which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, and some thirtyfold.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Colossians 2 - 1 year ago
    Son, Daughter of GOD: John 1:12, 1John 3:1,2, Matthew 5:9, context Matthew 5, Matthew 13:38, John 12:36, Luke 12:32, context Luke 12,

    Romans 8:14, in context please read all of Chapter Romans 8, explanation of the answer of your question in detail.

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • PROPHECY - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother James:

    I am not a minister, I am a lowly farmer.

    The point of my comment was if you think the kingdom of God can be seen you are mistaken:

    Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables, because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

    Everyone is looking to physically see Christ at his second coming, when he said he would come like a thief in the night, like the days of Noah, they never understood until the doors of the ark were closed by God, and sudden destruction: DEATH.

    Christ came to give us ETERNAL LIFE:

    1 Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality, dwelling in he light ...

    Man WILL NOT believe that the LIFE IN US IS CHRIST, we are just the BODY.

    God Bless YOU; the body of Christ.
  • T. L - In Reply - 1 year ago
    It's not judged by years: Luke 23:34-43, Matthew 13, 1Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12,13,14,

    Exodus 4:12, Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 5:31, Deuteronomy 6:7, Matthew 5:19, 1Timothy 4:11,

    2Timothy 2:15, Jeremiah 1:7,

    Why do you ask? I hope these help answer the root question
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Fred.

    Thank God for the Chief Shepherd and those who are truly his will always hear his voice!

    John 10:3-4. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth HIS OWN SHEEP by name, AND LEADETH THEM out.

    And when he putteth forth HIS OWN SHEEP, he goeth before them, AND THE SHEEP FOLLOW HIM: FOR THEY KNOW HIS VOICE.

    Here's something interesting and can be misunderstood.

    They don't become his sheep by following him, They follow because they are his sheep. They follow him because they HEAR HIS VOICE. They have ears to hear and eyes to see.

    This reminds me of

    Matthew 13:9-16.

    Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

    He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

    For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

    Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

    And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

    For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    This is in contrast to John 8:43-45.

    The Lord is calling this sheep fold out of Judaism. Look at the previous verses.

    John 9:39-41.

    Then we Gentiles shall also hear him.

    John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, AND THEY SHALL HEAR MY VOICE; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    God bless.


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