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Matthew 13 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Richard Priday on John 15
    John 15 and Predestination

    John 15:2 is a frightening verse; in that on the surface it would seem that someone could be saved but end up being lost. Romans 11:21-22 seems to reflect the same sort of picture. Since scripture can't contradict itself; this can't mean salvation can be lost. It does reflect that there are some who would gain prominence, reputations or financial gain from association with the church but whose hearts were never in it. Continuation is a theme here in verse 9 (perseverance of the saints in a way). Verse 16 makes it clear once again that God chose us for these good fruits; i.e. good works.

    Going back to verse 2; the second part shows how God is doing the purging (or chastisement; and testing through trials) to gain MORE fruit for those truly in Him. The parable of the sower and the seeds ( Matthew 13:3-9 and in Luke) illustrates how those in Him must get to the point of producing fruit. This fruit comes from Him; therefore He is gaining a return for His investment or redemption achieved through the Atonement.

    The concept of being called friends is once again attached to the idea of producing LASTING fruit as WELL as seeing answered prayers. This should give us pause to reflect on our own spiritual growth as well as being selective in WHO prays for us; looking for those that show evidence of these things.

    Finally; we have verse 17 about the COMMAND to love one another; followed by the fact that men will HATE us because of Christ in us. This theme goes on to verse 26 where the Comforter is promised to do the talking; as well as the Disciples own eyewitness testimony in the following verse as part of their unique ministry. In light of this; we have to question churches that the world readily accepts in light of whether the TRUE and whole Gospel is being preached.
  • PROPHECY - in Reply on James 1
    Giannis:

    It takes all the books of the PROPHETS to understand the PARABLE ( Matthew 13:34) of the rich man and Lazarus.

    Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH his secret unto his servants the PROPHETS.

    Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, if they HEAR NOT Mosses and the PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    No where in Moses and the prophets does it prophesy that anyone goes to heaven or hell. It prophesies that there will be a Kingdom of God.

    The books of the prophets, prophesies, that the elect will BE BROUGHT through the fire; not avoid it.

    It prophesies that only a third will be brought through the fire in this age; the others will go to the grave and wait for the resurrection to the next age.

    Revelation is a second witness to the prophecies.

    Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and die, and a THIRD shall be left therein ( Luke 17:34-35).

    Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the THIRD PART through the FIRE ..

    Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn with fire a THIRD part ..

    Ezekiel 5:3 ..take THEREOF a few in number ..

    Ezekiel 5:4 ...take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire, for THEREOF shall a fire COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a FLAME ....

    Luke 16:24 ....for I am tormented in this FLAME.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his Saints.

    Obadiah 1:21 And Saviours (those that have obtained the next age, the IMAGE OF CHRIST) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the Kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

    Zechariah 12:8 And in that day ( Revelation 20:9) shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David, and the house of David shall be as (the image of) GOD, and the angel of the LORD before them.
  • Jesse - in Reply
    Grace,

    Matthew 13:55 gives us the names of Jesus' brothers, James, Joses, Simon, and Judas. He had sisters (plural) also but the bible does not give us their names or how many.

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  • T. Levis - in Reply
    John 1:51, Luke 24:51, Mark 16:19, Acts 1:2, Acts 1:9, = Jesus was taken up

    There appears to be multiple men with that name: Luke 6:16, Acts 15:27,32, John 14:22, Matthew 13:55, Acts 9:11, Acts 15:22, Acts 1:13,

    A guy also from Galilee = Acts 5:37,

    Matthew 27:5, Matthew 27:4-10,

    It's best to study, keep reading, keep studying
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 20
    Naseem gbu but you do greatly err... John 5 :23 ....Jesus said that all men should honor the SON even as they honor the Father he that honoreth not the SON honoreth not the Father that has sent him.

    .....When he bringeth the 1 st begotton into the world God instructs all angels to worhip him...God himself wd be braking the 1st commandment if he instructed all the angels to worship his son if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 6

    ......But unto the SON he says Thy THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER.. Hebrews 1 : 8....A sceptre of righteousness is the Sceptre of THY KINGDOM...Unto the SON he says

    .......Naseem but the way we know without a doubt that Jesus IS truly God is b/c of his seed the WORD....He says to whom the WORD CAME ( HIS SEED ) IT MADE THEM GODS and the scripture cannot be broken....Don'cha see that he is able to propagate, reproduce after the God kind... Matthew 13 :37 KJV ...Jesus said he that soweth the GOOD SEED is the Son of man.

    .....And also John 17 : 5 ....Jesus prayed Father Glorify thou me with thine own self.....EVEN WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU B/F THE WORLD WAS....He was spirit b/f he was flesh....He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world humanity.....Thats y he said b/f Abraham was i am.....He always existed and was with God as the living WORD.... John 1

    .....Naseem when he breathe on them he was propagating very God with his breath which was his words his seeds....Remember what God said everything has to multiply after its KIND...According to his seed...The Child that they birth was the H.G. THAT Child of PROMISE....Emanuel....His seed is the very seed of God....Spirits can be born in us by his seed ...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods....And that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - in Reply
    Brother Steve:

    The PROPHETS, remember.

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant (Christ), whom I (the Father) uphold; mine (the Father's) elect (Christ), in whom my (the Father's) soul delighteth; I (the Father) have put my spirit upon him (Christ); HE (Christ) shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles.

    Isaiah 42:6 I the Lord (the Father) have called thee (Christ) in righteousness, and (I the Father) will hold thy (Christ's) hand, and give thee (Christ) for a covenant of the people, and a LIGHT to the GENTILES.

    Christ not PAUL.

    Paul was just the instrument of CHRIST.

    Isaiah had already prophecied that the Jews would reject Christ.

    Christ came to the Jews first to fulfill PROPHECY.

    Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not, and see ye indeed and perceive not.

    Matthew 13:14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive.

    God Bless YOU.
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Hiya ..ASinner...GBU...Be of a good cheer there is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit... Romans 8 : 2...For the spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus ( his blood ) has made us free from the law of sin and death....But we are involved in a war with Satan the tare that is sown in us after Jesus sows the wheat a baby Christ...Thats y he refers to himself as the son of man... Paul was saying when i wd do good evil is present with me....OH wretched man that i am who shall deliver me from the body of this death....I see another law in my members waring against my mind etc...With my mind i serve the law of God but with my FLESH the tare i serve the law of sin.... Romans 7 :25....Remember satan tried to destroy the woman and her Child ...Satan is the God of this present world and he wants to destroy you a Child of God.

    .....Jesus said that 2 men will be in one bed but one will be taken and one will be left...The 2 men are just 1 man that has been bornagain by that incorruptible seed a Baby Christ The wheat...but Satan sows a Tare the son of perdition....The Wheat and the Tares makes us two ppl...Thats y Paul was involved in a warfare in his mind ..But in the end the wheat will be taken to his kingdom his barn etc...But the tares will be gathered in bundles and burned... Matthew 13 : 40

    .....In the end the manchild which is the H.G. The Spirit of truth is gonna rule all nations with his rod of iron which is the new Covenant that is stronger then iron... outa of his mouth goes a Sharp Sword and he will smite the nations....ok lemme go
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    The saints do suffer tribulation

    Please read Matthew 24, & Mark 13, Jesus' words : Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, take heed that no man deceive you" ._.._.._.. Matthew 24:7-9, "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes, in diverse places.

    All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake." ._..

    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." ._.._

    Matthew 24:21-22 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

    And except those days should be shortened, there shall no flesh saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." ._._._.

    Matthew 24:29-30 "immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:

    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

    Also repeated in Mark 13,

    Deuteronomy 4:30

    Matthew 13:20-21

    John 16:33

    Acts 14:22

    1Thessalonians 3:4,

    Hopefully these are helpful in you study of the Word
  • Alex N - in Reply
    Fred interesting post but lemme give ya my take on an Intimacy. Its strickly the result of the bridegroom and his Voice his Words which are his Seeds...Even in the natural conversation is intercourse the ultimate Intimacy produces a Child of PROMISE the H.G. Thats what this NEW Covenant IS an Intimacy with Christ via his seed his voice,..Today if you will hear his voice His Words which are his seeds...Harden not your hearts,.. Jesus said your hearts is the good ground where that good seed will be sown

    .....The Father said i will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...An intimacy with humanity via hearing his words his seeds The contents of the book in the fathers right hand ...Intiating a heavenly birth...Thus the Children of PROMISE that are gonna be as the Stars of Heaven and we are the recipitants of these heavenly Children...Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child. ..They are the result of his seed that spritual Intimacy with Christ the bridegroom the sower of that good seed.

    ....There has to be an Intimacy with Christ meaning he has to KNOW US....Thats when that good seed is sown in our hearts initiating a birth of Christ in us the H.G. that Child of Promise...The Son of MAN..The result of the seed of the Bridegoom the Words of God...The Good seed is gonna be sow in our hearts...Thats when the hyman of our hearts is broken..The Untimate INTIMACY..That New COVENANT....I will KNOW them ALL Jer. 31 :34 .. ..Thats when Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...Their Child is the Child of Promise the H.G...Jesus said the GOOD SEED are the Children of the Kingdom.... Matthew 13:29 kjv....That Woman in Rev. 12 : 5 is the very best example of an Intimacy with Christ ...Her Child is the H.G. as that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...The Woman is Humanity, The WORLD, as the field is the World where that good seed is sown...our hearts is the field..where this Spritual Intimacy will take place...The seed of the sower is the seed of Bridegroom.
  • Alex N
    Hebrews 12 : 22 ....New Jerusalem is the City of God not old Jerusalem....You are come unto Mount Zion the city of the living God That HEAVENLY JERUSALEM and to a hugh host of Angels ...And Jesus said that the Kingdom was gonna be in our hearts via the seed of the sower... Matthew 13 : 19... The good seed is the WORD of the Kingdom....And the Kingdom will come as a man who sows seed in his field...and Jesus said the field is our hearts where that good seed will be sown....

    .....Paul says that OLD JERUSALEM is like Hagar and is in bondage with her Children...But Jerusalem from above is the Mother of us all ... Gal. 4 : 26 ....The Kingdom has to be in our hearts simply b/c thats where satan's seat is...Thus its gonna be kingdom against Kingdom ...An external kingdom ( old jerusalem ) wd be no threat to satan...but an INTERNAL kingdom wd crush Satans head b/c our carnal minds is satans seat....But NEW JERUSALEM is the CITY of the great KING...The H.G.

    .....The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G.... Romans 14 : 17...And the Kingdom of God is New JERUSALEM.....Not Old JERUSALEM which is in bondage with her Children....Old Jerusalem will be saved when she says blessed is he that comes in the name of the lord....Which is the H.G. the man Child that is gona rule all nations....The Kingdom does not come till the woman births the Child .. Rev 12 : 10 kjv....Unless ya receive the kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...And thats y the new birth is so important...We are gonna birth that heavenly Child in our hearts and minds.

    ......My lil Children of whom i travail in birth again till Christ is formed in you... Gal 4 : 19 The Child of Promise the H.G. ...Thus the Kingdom will truly be with in us...Jew or Gentile....God so loved the world...
  • Dav47 - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Long subject but will try to condense as much as possible: It is sad to this day churches teach little kids that eating an apple caused sin when the word apple is not even in the whole of Genesis. Heb-ets=fruit trees was commanded by GOD good to eat.

    Gen 3:3 Hebrew =(fruit) Noun masculine=this particular instance it leads to the seed of Satan; 2 Corinthians 11:3 beguile translated-wholly seduced. Hebrew verb: (touch) = ; is a primitive root meaning to lie with a woman; fruit of the womb is the impregnation of the seed Gen 3:6 Serpent was, is most beautiful of all GODS creations that Eve nor even Adam could resist. Serpent ( Rev 12:9) more subtle than all GODS creation, which HE made the full package of beauty, might and cunningness; Eze 28:13 He was called the glistening 1 because of his shining glory. He was wise and cunning and led Eve down a dark past where the tares would be planted in the world; having twins Cain and Abel 1 bad and 1 good. Gen 4:2 (again) =Heb. yasaph = continue, she continued in labor; Cain and Abel were fraternal twins by 2 different fathers Satan and Adam both coming to the age of accountability at same time Heb 11:4. Joh 8:44 Matthew 13:27-29. Genesis 3:10 They only knew they were naked after the act of seduction; only then did they realize their private parts and felt ashamed. They didn't use leaves to cover their mouths but their privates, fig leaves at that, which leads us to learn the parable of the fig tree, Gen 3:7; Enemy of GOD sewed the seed, Satan's seed, Rev 12:9. Genesis 3:15 1st prophecy of the bible where the sons of Satan bruised CHRIST heels on the cross but CHRIST will bruise his head. Between Satan seed (tares/Kennites=sons of Cain) and the man Adams seed where the fallen angels left their 1st habitation to seduce the daughters of eth haw adam in a second attempt to corrupt the seed line from which CHRIST from umbilical cord to umbilical cord would come..
  • Alex N - in Reply
    I wd like to add something to my post....talking bout the kingdom....and Perfection....Read Rev. 12 : 10....After the woman births the Children..The manchild that is gonna rule all nations....That Israel of God....verse 10 says ...Now is come salvation...( not untill then ) and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ. And the accuser of our brethren etc.

    .....Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild which is the H.G...The babes and sucklings...

    .....The contents of the book....THE WORDS OF THE NEW COVENANT...Remember Jesus said the Good Seed are the Children of the Kingdom....in Matthew 13 : 38 kjv....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN AGAIN A second Child....Bathsheba had to travail a 2 nd time b/f the great king Solomon was born...Which is just symbolic of the H.G. our king that is gonna be born in us sinners via the seed of Christ a type of DAVID...OK
  • Alex N - in Reply
    I wd like to add something to my post....talking bout the kingdom....and Perfection....Read Rev. 12 : 10....After the woman births the Children..The manchild that is gonna rule all nations....That Israel of God....verse 10 says ...Now is come salvation...( not untill then ) and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ. And the accuser of our brethren etc.

    .....Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild which is the H.G...The babes and sucklings...

    .....The contents of the book....THE WORDS OF THE NEW COVENANT...Remember Jesus said the Good Seed are the Children of the Kingdom....in Matthew 13 : 38 kjv....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN AGAIN A second Child....Bathsheba had to travail a 2 nd time b/f the great king Solomon was born...Which is just symbolic of the H.G. our king that is gonna be born in us sinners via the seed of Christ a type of DAVID...OK
  • New Christians and Spiritual Warfare - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 5
    Fear and Accusations are evil spirits assigned to you by satan; to slow down your walk with Jesus. In Ephesians 6, shows us that the spirits are invisible.

    We know they're stalking us, by their FRUITS. Fear, hath torments (which are evil spirits). Knowledge of the Word of God sets us free. You must be born again as in John 3. If you are born again, you have LEGAL RIGHTS as a child of God.

    I'm saying this for the benefit of others who have, or are going through it. Jesus cleans and clears out our physical and spiritual house. The Holy Spirit is inside of us. He teaches the Bible to us; as we read the Bible. We are GARNISHING our spiritual house. If we fail to read the Bible, the armor of God, is UNUSED. Ephesians 6.

    MATTHEW 12:43-45 and Matthew 13:3-12

    We cannot be invaded again, IF we garnish our spiritual house with scripture.

    Matthew 4:

    1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the DEVIL,

    2 And when JESUS had fasted 40 days & 40nights, he was afterward hungry.

    3 And when the TEMPTER came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

    We must form a strong resolve to follow Jesus as a disciple. We are fighting off INVISIBLE enemies. Ephesians 6.

    I've been praying over this some days. SATAN was an archangel.He was CREATED as like an angel; just bigger and more powerful; in charge of praise and worship of God. He coveted the praise all of the angels gave to God.

    Coveting is a sin. He led a rebellion against God. Satan and 1/3 of the angels who followed Satans rebellion, were hurled into the earth.

    Most or questions about sin, can be answered by the Ten Commandments, Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

    Do the do's, and refuse the dont's. Receive Jesus as Savior, Be baptized. Attend Church. Ask Holy Spirit to teach you.

    GARNISH your "house"

    See Acts 19:19, you may need to rid your home of "idols".
  • JESUS's CHILDREN FEEDING AND GROWING UP
    [I cannot find who I wrote this for, so I'm going to post here and hope he sees it.]

    I'm saying this for the benefit of others who have, or are going through it. Jesus cleans and clears out our physical and spiritual house. The Holy Spirit is inside of us. He teaches the Bible to us; as we read the Bible. We are GARNISHING our spiritual house. If we fail to read the Bible, the armor of God, is unused. Ephesians 6.

    MATTHEW 12:43-45

    Also the parable in Matthew 13:3-12

    We cannot be invaded again, if we garnish our spiritual house with scripture. Satan tempted Jesus in

    Matthew 4:

    1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the DEVIL,

    2 And when JESUS had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

    3 And when the TEMPTER came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

    Streetpreacher: We must form a strong resolve to follow Jesus as a disciple (which is a student sort of). We are fighting off invisible enemies. Ephesians 6.

    I've been praying over this some days. SATAN was an archangel. He was CREATED as like an angel; just bigger and more powerful; in charge of praise and worship of God. He coveted the praise all of the angels gave to God.

    Coveting is a sin. He led a rebellion against God. Satan and 1/3 of the angels who followed Satans rebellion, were hurled into the earth.

    His new mission was to hurt all of the people on earth__especially the ones that loved God, and followed Gods known Will for them. Later they were given the Ten Commandments written with the finger of God, to Moses.

    Most or questions about sin, can be answered by the Ten Commandments., Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. It's easily understood how God expects His believers to follow Him, and not our sinful desires. Twisting truth to accommodate having what we want.

    Do the do's, and refuse the dont's. Life gets easier.

    Receive Jesus as Your Savior.
  • Alex N
    Gi Gi ....We are gonna be married to Jesus at the marriage supper of the lamb..AND Paul said to love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave his life for it....And Isaiah said As a young man marries a virgin so shall thy sons marry thee and as the bridegroom rejoices over the Bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee.... Isaiah 62 : 5....And a marriage is when 2 are made 1...We are gonna be made 1 with God...Thus we are gonna be Gods...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD came it made them Gods and the scriptures cannot be broken....As the living words are the very seeds of God... Matthew 13 ...Gi Gi...John the bap. said when they were all at the Jordan River in baptism....He that hath the bride is the bridegroom...So we see without a doubt that he is gonna be married to the Church....Thus the 2, Christ and the church will be made 1...Thus we will share his GLORY simply b/c we are gonna be married to Christ...

    .....When he spat on the ground he made Clay...a marriage between the ground and his spit ( his word was his spit and the ground humanity were made 1) which was the clay....And thats what he anointed the eyes of the blindman with the CLAY and he was healed....I said all that just to remind you there is a marriage in our near future...We are gonna be made 1 with Christ..Thus we are gonna be Gods...Simply b/c our husband Christ is God.

    .....On the 3 rd day there was a marriage in Canna of Galilee and both Jesus and his disciples were called and his mother was also there....Which is just prophetic of his own marriage...We are now in the 3 r day from the Cross...2 k yrs have gone by...2 Days....We are now in that 3 rd day from the Cross....And David saw the whole world at rest ( THE 7 TH DAY ) and full of his GLORY.....No doubt we will share his GLORY....Plz don't forget the marriage super of the lamb...Even Bro. paul tells us that we are dead to the LAW and should be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God... Romans 7 : 4 kjv
  • Alex N
    Lemme give ya my understanding of the 2 Men in 1 bed..As LUKE 17 : 34 Mentions... Matthew 13 tells us of the sower that wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts causing us to birth a new innerman which is the wheat...The H.G...A baby Christ that Child of Promise That is born in us by that good seed....But after the sower sows his precious seed in our hearts then comes Satan sowing an evil seed in our hearts which is the tare an evil seed...a baby Satan simply b/c Satan is the Father of the tares....Jesus told them that an enemy has done this let them grow together till the time of the harvest...Thus we become 2 ppl the wheat and the tares makes us 2 ppl....But this is happening to 1 Man who is bornagain of an incorruptible seed....

    ......Thats y Paul is saying when i wd do good evil is present with me...Paul was involved in a spritual war..He had become 2 ppl.

    Romans 7 : 19...The good that i wd do i cannot do, but the evil i wd not do is what i do...With my mind i serve the law of God but with my flesh the law of sin,....O wretched man that i am...Paul had become 2 ppl spirtually speaking.

    .....Thats y Jesus is saying there shall be 2 men in 1 bed....Thats the wheat and the tare in 1 man ...1 is gonna be taken and 1 is gona be left....Jesus said gather up the tares and burn them but gather the wheat in my barn...The Kingdom

    .....Same thing with the 2 woman grinding at the mill, its just 1 woman that has been bornagain...But she becomes 2 ppl b/c of the wheat and the tares.....1 is gonna be taken to his Kingdom and 1 is gona be burnt....Gather up the tares in bundles and burn them.....But this passage is not about homosexuality as i hear so many preachers on T.V. Talk about....This passage is about Salvation via his good seed the words of the book that new Covenant....But Satan is gonna try to destroy the wheat the H.G. via his seed the tares. The Devil tries to kill the woman with Child in Rev 12 : 5
  • Mark Valesano on 1 Corinthians 5:11
    In 1 Corinthians 5 and to a lesser degree, 2 Thess. 3:6-7, references are made to those who are disorderly or rebellious in nature. within the body of Christ. Church discipline in the 21st century is, for the most part, avoided or willingly ignored. I teach a Bible study group at our church and have a woman who years ago forsook living with her then-boyfriend after feeling conviction from a sermon she heard. Her repentance was evidence to us of her willingness to follow Christ. Then, several years after that and a new preacher taking over the pulpit at our church, she got a new boyfriend and subsequently moved in with him. Today she attends church regularly and continues to come to my Bible study before the regular church service. I have had conversations with her about her current lifestyle and the truth that she is no longer following Jesus, just her desires. Her end will not be the kingdom of God. She has said she wants to marry, but he (boyfriend) hasn't felt the need to.

    The Word of God is full of those who had to make very difficult decisions to obey and follow God, no matter what. My wife reminded me that I should not 'judge' her since I sin every day too. I reminded her that's true, but the difference is the fact that my daily sins/transgressions vary in nature and frequency. The sins of those described in Corinthians and Thessalonians involve a lifestyle choice and a flagrant disregard for the things (commands, ordinances) of God. Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also. I'm trying to contact our Pastoral staff and find out what they recommend. Personally, I think this calls for tough love. Matthew 13 refers to Christ's parable of the wheat and tares. Maybe this is the one that leaves an 'out' for those uncomfortable with the topic of church discipline. May God help us and enlighten us by His Holy Spirit to learn the differences and proper utilization of them within the church itself.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Mark 6
    Spike,

    Here is my understanding of Matthew 13:58. It says He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. What I notice is that it does not say that He went in and did mighty works, and because of their lack of faith nothing happened. For me, that doesn't even apply!

    What I see is that He didn't do anything there because of their unbelief. Why? Because the signs and the miracles Jesus performed were supposed be a sign to point them to Christ. But He saw that it would do no good. He saw the condition of their hearts.

    There are people today that use this verse in the wrong context. They say that the Lord can't work in your life His mighty works because of your unbelief, or your lack of faith. But that's not what it says here.

    In Luke Chapter 1, Zacharias had unbelief. In fact, the angel Gabriel said to him that because of your unbelief, because you do not believe my words which will happen at their appointed time, and please note this because it is very important to know that his unbelief couldn't stop God's will from being done. The angel says because of that, you will be mute and unable to speak until these things take place.

    It seems to me that Zacharias dictated to God what God must do to get him to line up to believe. But it didn't stop God. It is impossible to stop God from working. God says this is going to happen to you Zacharias, but you do not believe that this will happen because you are looking at the human condition.

    You and your wife are beyond the age of bearing children. So you will be mute and unable speak. You will just be a bystander. I want you to watch the work of God. And after nine months, his tongue was loosed, and he began to praise God, and he began to prophesy over that child. Now he is lined up. He didn't stop God from working because of his unbelief or lack of faith. "He did not do any mighty works there because of their unbelief."

    Anyway, that's my understanding.
  • ELB - in Reply
    Sister Kay:

    The Father lives where his throne is, in heaven.

    Revelation 1:1 ...and he SIGNIFIED it ....

    Matthew 13:34 And these things (his words) spake he unto the multitude in PARABLES, and without a PARABLE he SPAKE NOT unto them.

    Matthew 13:13 Therefore spake I to them in PARABLES: because seeing, they SEE NOT, and hearing they HEAR NOT, neither do they UNDERSTAND.

    You see the word heaven and you know heaven is a place; But, seeing you see not, neither do they understand.

    Heaven is SIGNIFIED, and a PARABLE, a high meaning than the literal.

    Heaven is were God dwells, God is LIFE, God dwell IN YOU, God is THE LIFE IN YOU. God is SPIRIT.

    John 3:6 .... that which is BORN of Spirit is Spirit: God is Spirit.

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods (born of Spirit) the CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.

    Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God, so we are BORN AGAIN into Spirit, and God is Spirit, THE KINGDOM of GOD.

    The NEW CREATION, of two, You and Christ, to MAKE ONE. The Spirit Man, Christ.

    The FIRSTBORN among many BRETHREN.

    God Bless YOU!
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

    Romans 12:6,

    2Peter 1:16-21,

    1Timothy 4:14,

    Revelation 1:3,

    Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

    Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

    Revelation 19:10,

    Revelation 22,

    John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

    Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

    Matthew 10:41,

    Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

    Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

    Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

    Hope these are helpful
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    The Kingdom of God.

    Part 2of ?

    Here's an article.

    In Luke 17:20-21, Jesus says, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you"

    The context of Jesus' statement is a question put to Him by His Pharisee detractors who had asked when the kingdom of God would come (verse 20).

    Jesus' answer was that the kingdom of God was not coming in the manner the Pharisees were expecting. The kingdom would not be inaugurated with spectacle or splendor; there would be no great and magnificent leader who staked out a geographical claim and routed the Romans; rather, the kingdom would come silently and unseen, much as leaven works in a batch of dough (see Matthew 13:33). In fact, Jesus says, the kingdom had already begun, right under the Pharisees' noses. God was ruling in the hearts of some people, and the King Himself was standing among them, although the Pharisees were oblivious to that fact.

    Various translations render the Greek of Luke 17:21 various ways. The phrase translated "within you" in the KJV and NKJV is translated as "in your midst" in the NIV, NASB, and NET; "among you" in the NLT and HCSB; and "in the midst of you" in the ESV. Earlier versions of the NIV had "within you" with a marginal note suggesting "among you." There is obviously a difference between saying "the kingdom of God is within you" and "the kingdom of God is among you."

    Within you" comes off as an unfavorable translation, seeing that Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees at the time. Jesus was surely not saying that the kingdom of God resided within the Pharisees' hearts. The Pharisees opposed Jesus and had no relationship with God. Jesus in other places denounced them as "whitewashed tombs" and "hypocrites" ( Matthew 23:27).

    See Part 3.
  • ELB - in Reply on Romans 8
    Doug:

    Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believe do enter into his rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although THE WORKS were FINISHED from the foundation of the world.

    Matthew 13:35 That it might be FULFILLED (the works finished before the foundation of the world) which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth IN PARABLES; I will utter things that have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

    Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of the Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

    John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have CHOSEN YOU (from the foundation of the world) .....

    Man is a vessel, he has no say IN THE WORKS OF GOD.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Man is FULFILLING the WORDS and WORKS FINISHED before the foundation of the world.

    If you were CHOSEN from the foundation, you will be a FIRST FRUIT

    If you were not CHOSEN to be a FIRST FRUIT, you will be brought into the kingdom at the feast if the Ingathering.

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - in Reply
    Marke:

    Matthew 13:31 The kingdom of heaven IS LIKE (not actual) a grain of mustard SEED ...

    Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The SEED is the WORD OF GOD (CHRIST).

    ..... which a man took (the man Jesus Christ), and sowed in his field.

    Matthew 13:38 The field is the world.

    Matthew 13:32 Which (the SEED) indeed is the least of all SEEDS: but when it (the SEED) is grown, it (the SEED) is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a TREE (of LIFE)....

    The kingdom of God is THIS TREE (of LIFE).

    ..... so that the birds (fowls) of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

    John 15:5 Ye are the branches ....

    Luke 13:9 ....and the fowls of the air (the devil) lodged in the branches of it (the tree).

    Luke 8:5 and some fell by the way side.... and the fowls of the air devoured it (the SEED)......

    Luke 8:12 Those by the way side, are those that hear, then cometh the DEVIL (fowls of the air), and taketh away THE WORD (the SEED)....

    Psalms 104:12 By them (the springs of water, living water) shall the fowls of heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

    Ezekiel 17:23 In the mountain the height of Israel will I plant it (the SEED), and it (the SEED) shall bring forth boughs (branches), and bear fruit (SEED), and be a goodly cedar (tree), and UNDER IT (the tree) shall dwell every fowl of ever wing, in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

    The devil WILL BE SHAKEN out of the branches of the kingdom of God (the TREE OF LIFE).

    Matthew 12:28 If I CAST OUT devils by the Spirit of God (LIFE and TRUTH) then the kingdom of GOD is come unto you.

    God Bless You!
  • ELB - in Reply
    Marke:

    Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he (Christ) unto them; the Kingdom of Heaven IS LIKE LEAVEN

    Would this leaven, in this parable, be GOOD or would it be BAD, since it is like the kingdom of heaven.

    Leaven is itself a PARABLE.

    The truth is, if you leaven the lump with the kingdom of heaven, then it leavens the whole lump (good).

    If you leaven the lump with the leaven of the Pharisees, then it leavens the whole lump (bad).

    The point is to be aware of the leavening you are using.

    God Bless You!
  • Marke - in Reply
    In answer to ELB

    Matthew 13

    King James Version

    32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

    33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

    The parable of the mustard seed follows the parable of the tares.

    24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    The leaven and the tares are speaking of corruption sown in the lives of Christians and the Church. These are elements of evil and speak of false professions of faith. The mustard seed is small but it does not grow large except, as in this parable, it falsely presents itself as a giant in the faith with broadly spreading towering branches with room for the fouls of heaven to lodge in. Here is what the mustard tree really is:

    Understand the Weed Issue

    It may be and seems largely accepted that the black mustard was the tree referenced in the Bible, but before planting it in your yard, you need to understand the weed issue. Black mustard is a winter annual weed in the mustard family.
  • Dorothy Healy - in Reply
    "Thank you Suze, I'm pleased it helped you better understand the Beatitudes. Matthew 13 is another much misunderstood chapter of Matthew."
  • Dorothy Healy - in Reply
    Thank you Paula, I'm pleased it helped you. Matthew 13 is another much misunderstood chapter of Matthew.
  • ELB - in Reply
    Marke you said: The bible refers to leaven as an agent of decay in 1 Corinthians 5:6-7

    Matthew 13:33 Another PARABLE spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU) is LIKE LEAVEN, which a woman (Christ wife) took, and HID in THREE measures of meal (creation), till the whole (creation) was LEAVENED (CHRIST IN YOU).

    The leaven is Christ, not available until Pentecost. The first Israel were unleavened.

    1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying (in self) is not good, Know ye not that a little leaving (CHRIST IN YOU) leaveneth the WHOLE LUMP (Christ in all men).

    1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the OLD LEAVEN (laws in tablets of stone), that ye may be a new lump,as you are unleavened (not holding the LAW OF SPIRIT, CHRIST IN YOU), for even Christ our passover (death passed over; Christ is eternal life) is sacrificed for us.

    God Bless You!


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