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  • T. Levis - In Reply on Psalms 18 - 1 year ago
    1Thessalonians 5:17, Matthew 6:5-35, Mark 11:24, Luke 6:28, Luke 10:2, Luke 11:1-13, Luke 18:1, Luke 18:1-14, 1Corinthians 11, 1Corinthians 14:14-15, James 5:13-20, Psalms 122:6, Ephesians 6:18, Philippians 4:6, Mark 13, 2Chronicles 7:14, 1Timothy 2:1-6,

    Romans 8:26,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please Lord God hear Paula prayer request for her friend who been diagnosed with cancer. I pray he has a personal relationship with You Lord Jesus Christ and he will have comfort in Your grace. Please Holy Spirit flow in him with spiritual gifts and guidance that he will have peace. God you have final word in all situations. Please let him fulfill the purpose You have for him I pray in Jesus Christ name!

    Please reflect on Luke 18:27.
  • Sam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please God strengthen Susan with the Grace of Jesus Christ to endure this challenging living situation. You know her heart and Your Word states you will not give us more than we can endure. Please Holy Spirit enrich her with Your spiritual gifts and guidance that she will Bible scriptures to guide her and these neighbors will leave her be I ask in Jesus Christ name

    Please consider reflecting on John16:33 and 1 Corinthians 10:13, 2 Timothy 2:1, Luke 18:27, Psalms 46:1 and Psalms 34.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Ecclesiastes 9 - 2 years ago
    Vain repetitions: There are those who would be Pharasitical that repeat a phrase; or mantra somehow trying to impress men or God with their petitions. Clearly; there is precident as with the persistent widow ( Luke 18:1) to pray without ceasing ( 1 Thess. 5:16-18).

    It should be acknowledged on our part that some prayers are answered after only one request; in fact divine occurances can occur without anyone present (as far as we know) have offered up any prayer. It is He; Christ Himself who "ever intercedes" for us ( Heb. 7:25 and other passages). We; therefore should seek to worship in the Spirit; in accordance with His will. This is accomplished through knowledge of the living Word; and often is shown scripturally to be in agreement with the covenants and promises already established by God.

    There are generally thought to be 3 ways God responds to a prayer request; namely no; not yet; or yes. The bigger problem is not why a specific prayer seems to be unmet or not responded to; but HOW God is speaking to us regarding a matter. We often focus on the result or effect of an inner problem as shown in external actions; or behaviors. We tend not to see how the Lord is using a difficulty for either our edification or that of the individual lifted up in prayer. This; of course may be wisdom that takes time to appear. If someone is a mature believer; then they are more likely to request something based on better understanding of the ways of God working in their lives. All things work out for the good for those who love God ( Romans 8:28). Our prayers for unsaved people should always be centered on their need for repentance; not ignoring their other needs.

    There is actually no Bible verse where we are asked to pray for an individual to be saved; thus a strong indication of God's sovereignty in the doctrine of election.

    Hopefully; in all this when there are things we can do for someone in need; we can take action to be an answer to prayer( James 2:16).
  • T Levis - In Reply on Mark 12 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 6, Matthew 19:16-30, Luke 18:18-30, Luke 14:33, Luke 12,
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Tom,

    This is my understanding; All Israel was looking for the Messiah when He first came to deliver Israel from all oppressors and lead them into a new golden age. We see this as the question the disciples asked Jesus in Matthew 24:3. Jesus' purpose of His first coming was hidden from them, even the Apostles and John, Luke 18:31-34. They even asked Jesus right before He ascended, if He was going to set up the kingdom then, Acts 1:6.

    We see how distraught all were when Jesus was crucified and they did not even believe Mary when she told them He had resurrected, Mark 16:10-14. They were confused and had doubts because they were looking for Him to set up the kingdom then. John probably had these same thoughts when he saw what Jesus was doing because it didn't look like Jesus was moving to deliver the people from the Roman rule and set up the kingdom.

    No one could know, because Satan could not know this part of God's plan, it was still a mystery.

    Just my understanding

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Alvin - In Reply - 2 years ago
    JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

    He told us to sell all

    Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

    Luke 12:33 to the disciples

    Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

    Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

    And his disciples approve

    Acts 2:44-45

    Acts 4:33-34

    Luke 18:28-30

    Matthew 4:18-24

    But who will go to heaven

    Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

    Luke 18:24-25

    Mark 10:17-31

    Matthew 5:3

    Luke 6:20

    James 2:5

    But where does that put the rich?

    Luke 6:24-25

    James 5:1-3

    What is the root of all evil?

    1 timothy 6:10

    Genesis 3

    Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

    Genesis 3:17-19

    Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

    Ezekiel 16:49-50

    Luke 17:28

    But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

    Revelation 13

    But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.
  • Alvin Kamberi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    What does tbis mean?

    1 Corinthians 7:21?

    Pul does say that when you dont provide you are worse than and disbeliever but he doesnt say if you dont work to provide does he?

    Yahweh Jireh?

    When you answer anybody speaking about renouncing wealth think "what if he has done it?"

    Not "he is challenging us lets ruin his life".

    JESUS DOES SAY TO NOT WORK FOR MONEY MATTHEW 6:19-33

    He always says sell everything to rich guys? Zaccheus sold half and other gave to cheated dudes.

    Peter said"we left all to follow Jesus" luke 18:28-30?

    Luke 11:41; luke 12:33; luke 14:33, 18:22 and other

    Its prophecied! Buy with No Money! Eat freely without payment! Isaiah 55:1-5.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    We can look to most congregations today that were holding to basic Bible doctrines a century ago that now abandoning basic truths on the literal descriptions of hell; embracing New Age concepts or doctrines of demons causing manifestations (such as the "Toronto blessing" and Pensacola revival; etc. We are seeing a divorce rate the same as the world; remarriages (which all the early church fathers were against if a spouse was still living up to Erasmus); bringing women into positions of authority against scripture; evolution ascribed as truth; acceptance of deviant sexual practices clearly spoken against in Romans 1 and other scriptures; and basically the "love of many will grow cold." ( Matthew 24:12). This could be what the lukewarmness of the Laodiceans represents in Revelation. The characteristics in 2 Tim. 3:2 of the last days fits in; as well as the admonition that God is going to judge the church first ( 1 Peter 4:17). When Christ comes (the Rapture or perhaps the second coming); He states "will He find faith on the earth" ( Luke 18:8).

    Whether some are left behind is another matter; but we are told that we should be praying always to be worthy to escape in Luke; and Rev. 3:10 states that that church will miss the hour of trial to come on the whole earth (i.e. the Tribulation).

    Another issue today is that we don't want o preach that repentance in necessary for a genuine conversion. We also assume that sin can be taken lightly since Christ forgave all our sins at the cross. If He lives within us; we can no longer be content with sin; and if we are not being chastised then scripture says we are "bastards" (KJV). We are not teaching that all who are godly in Christ are going to suffer persecution; or there is some anomaly with all these big time preachers. "That which is honorable to men is an abomination to God." ( Luke 16:15). I may be off on the wording; but we need to be separate from the world and not laud their approval.
  • Free - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear one "Wilbur Reid",in peace i totally agree with you. Rather God's Word than my own. You must then know that every word that is written will come true. But when you refer to Bible words that do not recur in your case, it is wrong, that to. It suited well for translators and scribes and deliver the words from: Revelation 22:18-19. Because then was the intention that Johannes himself would emphasize in what I write, nothing must be taken out. John specified it.

    We know very well that much has been taken away from the Holy Scriptures. Which is a shame for the church.

    "What is Christianity and what does God expect from Christians. Thank you so much we must never forgett what Jesus did at Calvary for us. And above all, His Spirit is with us as we live our lives. Then we have a hope of getting into the Heavenly housing.

    Christian judgment: And all that that entails.

    God expect from Christians That we preach about his Son Jesus Christ, live like Him and do good things for neighbors and do well to widows and fatherless. It also seems that we Christians must speak one word too much about Jesus! But He Himself doubts whether He will find any faith when He returns. Luke 18:8

    What does it say more in God's Word, among other things: 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

    So we must believe dear friend that everyone will do their best in handover. For on the fruits they should be felt:

    Matthew 12:32-37 May the Lord Jesus Christ bless us all so that we all reach the goal. And keep faith and truth, light and life dear in our hearts. God bless us with His wisdom in a dark world. Love u in Christ.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I don't know if the following helps you but i think that all the answers we need are provided by God in His Word .

    By declaring God is my Lord we accept that He takes control of our lives AND give that control to Him. Nevertheless He wants us to keep asking for our needs until He answers as the widow in the parable of the unjust judge kept doing. LUKE 18: 1-7. bearing in mind MATHEW 6:33 which means that if we give priority to our spiritual needs then the Lord will fulfill our material needs and MATHEW 26:39 which means that sometimes God's plan for us maybe a bit different to our plans for ourselves and JAMES 4:3-4 which means that we don't ask for bad things or things like say winning the lottery or getting rich AND always have faith when asking MARK 11:22-26.

    Those are few but ...actually a whole book can be written about asking and receiving from God
  • Jenifer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear April

    Please read Luke 18: 1 through 7

    "And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;

    2 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man:

    3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.

    4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man;

    5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.

    6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.

    7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

    8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    It's about constant prayering. Just believe He is closely hearing!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Tobit 3 - 2 years ago
    Elect= chosen 1Peter 1, Colossians 3, Luke 18:1-33, 2Timothy 2, * John 17,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Page 1.

    Much could be written SolaScrip, on what you've stated & also written elsewhere by others. Maybe I'll state some fundamental Truths that have to be apprehended first. If we find disagreement in these, then any further discussion will be fruitless.

    The Ten Commandments & all of the commandments given by God were only given to Israel & no one else. No Gentile (person or nation) ever received any of them, nor has any Gentile ever required to come under them pre or post Cross. If you are of Jewish heritage, as I don't know who you are, then we could discuss this at another level.

    Jews who came under the Law, since Moses, (& also to those Gentiles who desire(d) to be placed under the Law), were required to obey every facet of the Law. If they broke even one Law, a severe punishment was meted out. Brother S.Spencer in this thread gave a very apt example in Numbers 15:32-36 of a man who gave no heed to the sanctity of the Sabbath & had to suffer death as a result - that was the Law: its nature, its demands, its punishment.

    The Jew had no choice as to which Laws (the Decalogue, civil, ceremonial, etc.) were more important to obey. They all stood equal & by it he was judged. Some Jews were very meticulous, as seen in Luke 18:18-25 (a genuine Law-keeper but failed under scrutiny: he broke the very first Commandment, maybe to his surprise). Why did Jesus even direct him to the Ten Commandments? That's all the Jews had & by it they would be judged unless they looked beyond the Law - by faith - to the One Who would put an end to the Law that only showed them their failure & brought death. What was the point of the Law: Galatians 3:19, the Law given "TILL the Seed should come". Could the Jew ever become righteous by the Law? ( Galatians 3:21-26).
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Donaldg,

    This is interesting and edifying if studied, Matthew 17:1-13 Mark 9:1-13 and Luke 9:28-37. Your question did they see it or were they asleep? They went up to a high mountain and they were gone for a least a day maybe more and in Luke 9:32 they were asleep, but they awakened, and it says they saw. In Mark 9:4 it says they appeared unto them and nothing about sleep.

    In all three Jesus transfigured before them and they were awake, and in all three Jesus tells them not to tell anyone about this until He was raised from the dead. This they did not understand because that part was hidden from them, Mark 9:10 Luke 18:31-34, His death and other things were hidden from them until He appeared to them after His resurrection, Luke 24:44-45.

    You asked were they asleep or did they see, the answer is in Matthew 17:9, it was a vision, horama, spiritual seeing, a supernatural apparition, same as John, when he was given the Revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a lot in these verses, like Mark 9:1 before Jesus took Peter, James and John to the mountain.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 16:23 - 2 years ago
    Great reply Ronald.

    I believe all through the scripture it supports the view the Holyspirit empowers the believer and as the scriptures you pointed out it took the dwelling of the Holyspirit to perform in them to minister under this new covenant. You see it in the life of Peter here in Luke 22:32. When was Peter strengthened and start to perform? It's obvious in scripture after he was empowered. Christ was preaching his death and resurrection, but they couldn't receive it. In Luke 18:31-34. he declared to them what the Prophets has written, and they still couldn't grasp it because it hidden from them.

    Also, in John 16:12-14. seems to suggest the same thing. The preaching of the Cross was hidden from their eyes, and it seems Paul is mentioning the same thing throughout his epistles speaking of the natural man. 1 Corinthians 2:7-14.

    The Holyspirirt is essential for understand and walk. Once he reveals his truth to us they're written on our hearts it takes him to exercise those truths in us and perfect our walk. we respond to the truth by the power of the Holyspirit, likewise the Apostles.

    For it is God which worketh in you both to "will" and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.

    It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63.

    The bible is not like our textbooks in school, what we have here has to be revealed to you, 1 Corinthians 1:18-21.

    Also: 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.

    You see the Holyspirits power over the flesh in Romans 8:1-14.

    You see the Holyspirirt working in us through baptism given us power to cease from sin in Romans 6:1-18.

    You see the contrast of the two natures in Romans 7:1-6. and so on. Here we see the contrast of what we had when we were under the law compared to what we have in Christ.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 16:23 - 2 years ago
    Hey Jcbu, Chris, and GiGi,

    The apostles did not deny or abandon Jesus they were confused, scared, shocked. They believed Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of God, they did not doubt that. Even though Jesus told them several times, Jesus being arrested, crucified, buried, and resurrected, Matthew 17:22-23, Matthew 20:18-19 John 20:9, and more. It was hidden from them. Luke 18:32-34. When He was arrested, crucified, and buried in a tomb they were in shock.

    During the time they were with Jesus they thought He was going to set up the kingdom then. They even asked Him before He ascended if He was going to set up the kingdom, Acts 1:6. When He was killed, they did not know what to do, the Messiah, Jesus the Son of God was supposed to set up the kingdom, now He is dead. For three days they mourned and cried not knowing what they would do now.

    Then Jesus told them when He met and ate with them and opened their eyes where they would understand, Luke 24:44-47. The purpose of His death and resurrection was hidden from them and Satan. Things was held from them and much they did not remember as Jesus told them in John 14:26.

    We think about all the apostles were told and being with Jesus for 3.5 years how we would act if we were there. It is not that simple, as John wrote if everything that Jesus said was written down the world could not hold it, John 22:25.

    They never lost their faith they were just in shock for three days and as we see 120 of the disciples were together at Pentecost,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on 2 Peter 1 - 2 years ago
    Dgjot,

    I have read your posts and if I may point out a few things you may look at about Peter. I agree by using Matthew 16:18 making Peter what the Catholic Church is built on is misplaced because Jesus is the corner stone which the foundation is laid and if we look in Revelation 21:14 there twelve.

    You may think of Peter being cowardly for denying Jesus but remember he was the one who cut off the ear of that guy when they came to arrest Jesus, and Peter was the only one who followed them to where they took Jesus. Did Peter repent, it is not written the words he said but it does tell us he went out, and wept bitterly, Matthew 26:75. Also Jesus made him say he loved Him three times, John 21:15-17.

    There is one thing to keep in mind, even though Jesus told them several times, Jesus being arrested, crucified, buried, and resurrected was hidden from them. Luke 18:32-34. Then Jesus told them when He met and ate with them and opened their eyes where they would understand, Luke 24:44-47. In Matthew 16:22 Peter thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom there was no way he was going to be killed and the purpose of His death was hidden from them and Satan.

    All during the time they were with Jesus they thought He was going to set up the kingdom then. They even asked Him before He ascended, Acts 1:6 and I am sure Peter and the others were confused thinking Jesus was going to set up the kingdom but here He is arrested and possibly going to be killed.

    The reason you see a difference in Paul, Peter and the other 11 were told to only go to the lost sheep of Israel, Jerusalem first, to the Jews first, this is why the early battles about the Gentiles not having to be circumcised and obey the law. Acts 15, Peter had his dream in Acts 11. It was a learning curve for them that it took some time, but it is part of fulfilling prophecy.

    If you considered this already, please disregard just thought it would help.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 110 - 2 years ago
    Hello Dr. Lee. I've been following this thread with interest, as I have in my earlier comments in past months, referred to the abrogation of the Law by the coming of Christ & by His Sacrifice; that 'the letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives life'. Therefore, any appeal to the Decalogue, however unchanged its moral & spiritual requirements might be ( Romans 7:12), would only show that we're subjecting ourselves to a Law, given to Israel, for the purposes of pointing them to their failure to fully keep it & their resulting deserved punishment. I even think of Luke 18:18-25, where the rich ruler followed the letter of the Law perfectly, yet was found lacking because he broke the very first commandment (wealth was also his god).

    Yet I noticed in this thread, your clear separation of the Old Covenant (specifically, the Mosaic) & the Old Testament. I must confess that I too gave little consideration to this, believing that the Old Testament was important for its historical & many worthy Truths that we can learn from & be encouraged in the knowledge of God. But I understand from your comments, that the Old Testament (the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings) have been "destroyed & not replaced". Could you enlarge on this aspect, as I'm wondering if all has been destroyed, what about the prophetical aspects that are yet to be fulfilled (some at Christ's coming, others still in the future)? I ask this, because I would hesitate in making such a bold statement to someone given the many worthy Truths still embedded in the OT, & though much of it fulfilled in the New, should we now totally disregard the Old? I use both the OT & NT with confidence for its Truth & applicability (when rightly divided). I would balk if someone taught me to disregard the OT altogether. Maybe that's not what you mean - just seeking clarification, thank you.
  • Free - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Thank u "The Day of Pentecost and Following". It was refreshing to hear Katrina & The Waves - Walking On Sunshine (Official Video) :D.

    1 Thessalonians Chapter 1:Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

    2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

    4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

    5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

    6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

    11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

    12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    I hand over the Word as it also says what has been enlightened to me, I am only a living proof of God's great Grace. And need so much much more, as darkness eats up the lights of people we love.

    The Word Is Psalm 119:105 Jesus Kristus
  • GiGi - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Hi there,

    Good post. I was just reading in the gospels about the time between the resurrection and the ascension. Jesus made sure that the disciples had all of the instruction they needed to begin the ministry He was calling them to do when He returned to heaven. I noticed that, even though Thomas doubted the reports from his disciple friends, he believed when he met Jesus again alive. He said, "My Lord and My God." Now that is the exclamation of a believer! So glad that was recorded. Jesus meets us in our doubts and weakness and gives us what is needed, as He did for Thomas. He loved him.
  • The Day of Pentecost and Following - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Y'all need a music video break :D. Jesus loves us lots.

    Jesus knew that on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit would fill the Disciples with the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit. They would have to get used to hearing Jesus, through their born again spirits. :D

    There's a song I like that gets all the blood pulsing: by Katrina and the Waves, "Walking on Sunshine". But I'm thinking, SONshine.as in Jesus! I think it could be a Sunday praise song that would fully wake up Everyone!! [ switch out baby baby TO Lord Lord Lord]

    The Disciples were mourning; tripping into doubts, messed up. Then Jesus pops in and says HI YALL, why the long faces?

    They went from flatline to " the sky's the limit", in a heartbeat (well except Thomas) :/

    Let's work on that. They saw Jesus and from that day forward, they heard Jesus.

    If we are not hearing Him loud and clear, it may take some humbling, sitting silently in the prayer closet and turn up the volumn on your listening.

    I went through a couple of years of not hearing anything! I was so spoiled that I did not know what to do to make Him talk to me! What happened is I conquered doubts, loneliness, my life of betrayals I had suffered, broken dreams of how my life had imploded, and more. I was delivered from stuff I had long thought buried.

    The Divine Romance was restored. I am His, and He is Mine. Song of Solomon. He belongs to all of us.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Gigi My understanding in John 20:22+23 he was explaining for the future, in John 16:7 he says the

    Comforter, the spirit to come after as he says he is Glorified, and that occurred when he Sat at Gods Right

    Hand and completed His ministry on Earth. It was not available to receive permanently gift of Holy Spirit

    until pentecost and to be received we confess out saviour from sin and from the heart Romans 10:9+10

    and believe in your heart. It's your privilege to believe what you will. Moving onward to the bema!
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Gigi When was being born again or receiving holy spirit made possible?
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Rick

    I was responding to what you said in your post. "They had no spiritual understanding of what he was communicating until they were born again at Pentecost." The text does not say that they were born again at Pentecost. They were believers before Pentecost and were gathered together as Jesus instructed, praying and praising God. In John 20:22J, Jesus breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit does not indwell un-regenerated people.

    I believe that what Jesus spoke happened at that moment. What happened at Pentecost was another work of the Holy Spirit that happens after conversion.

    You and others have repeatedly spoken that salvation comes when one confesses with one's mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. I am pretty sure that the disciples had done this as a result of their experience with the risen Lord before He ascended. The Scripture nowhere says that an experience such as at Pentecost is the means of salvation. It is what God brings to already regenerated persons

    So, for me, I believe that Jesus gave the disciples the teaching and understanding they needed to believe the gospel and take the gospel to the world prior to His ascension. The power to perform miracles, speak in tongues, and to be courageous in the face of opposition and persecution came at Pentecost. That is my point in responding to what you pointed about these disciples. You spoke as if you knew for sure that they were unsaved prior to Pentecost because, I believe as you seem to imply that that experience is the means of salvation rather than that in Romans 10, that you have often cited as the means of salvation.

    Therefore, I understand what you said about the natural and spiritual man. You assumed that the disciples were not reborn and therefore had not a spiritual man in them. I contend that they did. I think Jesus was more than able to accomplish all that was needed in is disciples before He ascension. God Bless.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Gigi I never stated what you responded to, 1 Corinthians states the natural man mane receiveth not the

    things of the spirit of God neither can he know them. The bible says they didn't understand until pentecost

    spiritually, that's why Jesus christ said to Peter Flesh and Blood has not revealed who I am to you.
  • Gigi - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Rick

    You cannot possibly say you know what the apostles knew and understood before Pentecost. The Scripture said that Jesus expounded the Scriptures fro Mosrs on to that present time, teaching them and equipping them to be ready to preach the gospel when the Spirit empowered them at Pentecost.

    I just don't think we are in a place to evaluate what the apostles knew and understood.

    Only Jesus knew that.

    These men were by far heads above most of us, having walked with Jesus for three years and having met with Him repeatedly between the resurrection and Ascension. I don't think Jesus was ineffective in His teaching nor without the power to effect understanding in th before Pentecost. These men went on to be martyred. We've got nothing on them, in my opinion
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    Johnny They had no spiritual understanding of what he was communicating until they were born again

    at pentecost, which is also why basically being around Him was almost always and behold! Wake up and

    observe the power of God on display I.E. you have seen me have seen the work of the Father!
  • Johnny fowler on Luke 18 - 2 years ago
    What did it mean when said these things are hidden from them
  • Shela - In Reply - 2 years ago
    May God comfort your heart in this time of grief. I may not understand the hurt you are feeling but the Lord knows and He understands your tears. Continue to pray and tell Him your pain. He listens. [ Luke 18:1-8] May you find strength, healing and peace.


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