1 Corinthians 11:4 discusses a woman praying or prophesying with a head covering; hence the concept of silence is only perhaps in a formal service. It also may suggest that asking questions as a distraction isn't to happen rather than the concept of always remaining silent.
These verses also show the limit of a woman in regard to expression in worship settings since they are not to have authority over a man ( 1 Timothy 2:12). This fairly well mirrors the Old Testament where at least in the Book of Judges and a few other instances there were women acting as a Prophetess. There were no female priests at least with Judaism; these occurred with pagan rights quite often; however. It will be noted the consistency in messages at that time with God's overall plan in other texts as well as overall history. Judges 4:9 is an interesting passage with Deborah predicting victory in Sisera at the hands of a woman; perhaps that is one reason God used her. It is also said the lack of visions and available male prophets at the time may have necessitated God using her in this occasion.
There are cases where women would praise God in a prophetic manner; in Exodus 15 Moses started off with a victory song; and Miriam joined in later in verses 20-21. This shows they were in one accord.
If we survey what are the fruits or results of women who take on roles forbidden in scripture usually we see spurious doctrine manifest. 1 Samuel 15:23 reminds us that rebellion is as witchcraft. We see quite often the other half of the problem; namely men that are unwilling to take on the role as head of the household and the responsibilities in worship services. Thus we have a major part of the breakdown of society.
Women also need to fully take on teaching their children; guiding younger women as well as evangelizing to women in this generation; albeit perhaps leaving some more dangerous assignments to men. A woman with more intellegence can help men behind the scenes.
Hi Teresa. When we read about God "sold them" (as in Judges 2:14; Judges 3:8; Judges 4:2; etc.), the meaning is not that God wanted to trade Israel for money or goods. Rather, that God 'gave them over, or giving the control of them to another power which is not of God'. When God handed over Israel to anyone else, Israel lost the blessings & privileges of being God's children & became vassals of gentile nations. When Israel came to her senses and repented, God in His great mercy, received them back to Himself.
Deborah the Prophetess and Only Female Judge in the History of Christianity. Out of all the Biblical women in history, Deborah emerged as an exceptional military leader. Fearless and obedient to God, She led the Israelites to victory and out of bondage. She was a prophetess and the fourth judge of pre-monarchic Israel.
Deborah was a busy woman. Judges 4:5 says, "She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided." Deborah was a woman of great wisdom, revelation, and discernment.
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace [hid them]
Esther saved all the Jews 8:18
Lois and Eunice. 2 Timothy 3:14-15
Acts 18:26 - And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 2:17-18 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Read More...)
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Judges 4:4-5 - And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (Read More...)
Romans 16:1-2 - I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: (Read More...)
Philippians 4:3 - And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life.
I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
What happened to the people whose grades were open when Jesus was crucified and they walked the streets did they live on another life what happened to them
I think setting and authority is what's in view, Deborah was a prophetess that judged Israel, Judges 4:4.
I do understand this was not the church age, but it was certainly after Adam and Eve sin.
And yes Eve was deceived but Adam sinned also, Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
The verse you presented here I think is a church setting, Paul is instructing Timothy to set up a Church.
but what about outside of that setting?
Teachers and Preachers is also sheep following chief shepherd.
We're tought humility as Peter was taught when the Lord washed his feet.
And look at Paul here
1 Corinthians 3:5-7 (KJV) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Another verse you given:
Titus 2:3-5 (KJV) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS of good things;
That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
It's not at all in view of a lesser role in the body of Christ, It's a designed structure.
I think it's an extension of the model shown in Ephesians 5:22-32. a husband and wife modeling Christ and the Church.
I just happened to stumble in this area of the website and read the comments about the Bible and women preachers. Let me encourage you there are women preachers in the Word of God. You have Deborah the prophetess in the Old Testament who was one of the Judges ( Judges 4:4-5), the Lady Elect in the New Testament (2 John) and then you have the women who was sent not only by the angel sitting at Jesus' tomb to proclaim He had risen to His disciples, but on the way, they met Jesus who greeted them and instructed them to tell his brethren to go to Galilee to see Him there. They were the first to see and proclaim Jesus was alive and rose from the dead.
Sometimes the Word of God can be misconstrued and taken out of context. This is why we have to pray and study God's word ourselves (ref. 2 Timothy 2:15) along with being taught by our leader.
I also believe King James Version is the best version to read. If you have a hard time understanding ask God to open your understanding to His truth. I also recommend keeping a commentary next to you as you read the Word of God. Matthew Henry is a good commentary to read.
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 21:8-9
And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
The Sons of Aaron were the priestly order UNTIL the renting of the veil ( Matthew 27:51)
Teaching is open to everyone.
Class is in Session.
Christ is the Head Master.
Women were prophesying (teaching) and judging (governing / leading) all throughout the Old Testament; Miriam ( Exodus 15:10), Deborah ( Judges 4:4), Huldah ( 2 Kings 22:14), etc
Ever hear of Deborah the prophetess and judge? Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. I suppose when the Lord can not find a man worthy for the job, he will send a woman. I would rather learn from a Godly woman, than a heretic man, which the church world is full of today. Yes I know what Paul writes.
Who taught Timothy? 2 Timothy Chapter 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from [my] forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;
5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.
You can find English translations in "OTHER TRANSLATIONS" "He said to her, 'Please give me a little water to drink for I am thirsty.' She opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him." He said to the girl, "Please give me a little water for me to drink, I'm thirsty." Then, she opened a bottle of milk, and gave it to him. Does that explain enough unto you?
11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh. Hmmm, Hobab was the son of Jethro who sometimes was called Reuel. Jethro was the father in law of Moses.
I always receive strength from this chapter of Judges in reference to God reveals to us as Women that we too are in the Army of LORD, and that we are strategically positioned in places for the Master's Use. God gets Glory from us man or woman whend we give our will over back to Him. A willing vessel is what God wants us to be. Jael was blessed to be remembered and spoken of throughout generations.
One interesting aspect in this very chapter is that, Gods word always find fulfillment in our lives. God spake through Deborah that a woman will take the victory or glory of the battle and not barak that came to pass in the life of jael. Gods word cannot fall to the ground!
It seems to not matter how many times Yahwey brings the children of Israel through, after they see his wonderous works, after they beg him they still go against him.
Dee; You are right! But God does love because He is love; and His goodness and mercy and long-suffering is the expression of that love; a goodness and love that is not dependent on the worth of the thing loved, but because God is good He is that way. But, He absolutely HATES the wicked and CAN NEVER ALLOW those who are IN THE IMAGE OF the devil, and any unclean and perverted into His presence.
If God love all why did he say he hate Essau, but he love Jacob. I don't believe based on this scripture that God loves all.
He also said that he is angry with the wicked every day - it is his words not mine. I am simply quoting scripture. We cannot put words in His mouth. That would not do Him justice.
Man accepts excuses for sin, bot - God does not. Barak flatly refused to follow God's will. That's really plain to see. If 'inadequacy' was what he felt, he KNEW to pray ad ask God for help. He was raised on the scriptures about God helping His people. Instead he lowered himself just about as low a any man or woman can go- to bypass God and ask for human help.
In the book of Judges we can see how deep God's loves is. When we fall away from Him in sin He still hears our call. He is always there for us, after all He has already sent us a helper, sometimes we may think that we have slid to for, but the book of Judges reminds us of His faithfulness.
To AIM - Jer. 35:19; Eze. 22:30; God is not unreasonable; we can reason with him. Deborah was chosen because there was no man to stand in the gap, but God's preference was for a man. Deborah was a PROPHETESS, like Anna of Luke. In Judges 4:6 Deborah rebukes Barak, the armies leader for not doing God's will. So God told her to go with him - if that was the only way He could get His will done.
These verses also show the limit of a woman in regard to expression in worship settings since they are not to have authority over a man ( 1 Timothy 2:12). This fairly well mirrors the Old Testament where at least in the Book of Judges and a few other instances there were women acting as a Prophetess. There were no female priests at least with Judaism; these occurred with pagan rights quite often; however. It will be noted the consistency in messages at that time with God's overall plan in other texts as well as overall history. Judges 4:9 is an interesting passage with Deborah predicting victory in Sisera at the hands of a woman; perhaps that is one reason God used her. It is also said the lack of visions and available male prophets at the time may have necessitated God using her in this occasion.
There are cases where women would praise God in a prophetic manner; in Exodus 15 Moses started off with a victory song; and Miriam joined in later in verses 20-21. This shows they were in one accord.
If we survey what are the fruits or results of women who take on roles forbidden in scripture usually we see spurious doctrine manifest. 1 Samuel 15:23 reminds us that rebellion is as witchcraft. We see quite often the other half of the problem; namely men that are unwilling to take on the role as head of the household and the responsibilities in worship services. Thus we have a major part of the breakdown of society.
Women also need to fully take on teaching their children; guiding younger women as well as evangelizing to women in this generation; albeit perhaps leaving some more dangerous assignments to men. A woman with more intellegence can help men behind the scenes.
Luke 2:36,
If you're wondering about women Prophetess: Joel & the book of Acts also Corinthians, speaks about them,
Also falsely Revelation 2:20, Nehemiah 6:14
Hopefully these are helpful
Galatians 1:8,9, no, Angel given another gospel not ok.
Revelation 14, 144,000, seem to be clearly defined in: Revelation 7:3-4, broken down by tribe: Revelation 7:3-8,
Not just the Laterdaysaints: Revelation 7:9-17,
don't add to word, or take away from: Revelation 22:18,19
Matthew 25:31-46,
Women prophets Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Exodus 15:20,
Acts 4:12, John 14:6, John 3:16,
Hopefully these are helpful
Deborah was a busy woman. Judges 4:5 says, "She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided." Deborah was a woman of great wisdom, revelation, and discernment.
A woman of prayer. Name in Hebrew, defined, Bee.
Also a Deborah Prophetess, Judges 4:4, Judges 4, Judges 5,
Hopefully these are helpful
Ruth preached before the town council
Hebrews 11:31, book of heroes
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace [hid them]
Esther saved all the Jews 8:18
Lois and Eunice. 2 Timothy 3:14-15
Acts 18:26 - And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 2:17-18 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Read More...)
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Judges 4:4-5 - And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. (Read More...)
Romans 16:1-2 - I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: (Read More...)
Philippians 4:3 - And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life.
2 Corinthians 6:3-5
I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
Hopefully this is helpful.
Deborah, Judges 4:4,
Huldah, 2 Kings 22:14,
Noadiah, Nehemiah 6:14,
Isaiah 8:3, name I didn't find, (Isaiah's wife)
Anna, Luke 2:26,
Joel 2:28
Hopefully these are helpful
I think setting and authority is what's in view, Deborah was a prophetess that judged Israel, Judges 4:4.
I do understand this was not the church age, but it was certainly after Adam and Eve sin.
And yes Eve was deceived but Adam sinned also, Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
The verse you presented here I think is a church setting, Paul is instructing Timothy to set up a Church.
but what about outside of that setting?
Teachers and Preachers is also sheep following chief shepherd.
We're tought humility as Peter was taught when the Lord washed his feet.
And look at Paul here
1 Corinthians 3:5-7 (KJV) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Another verse you given:
Titus 2:3-5 (KJV) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS of good things;
That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
It's not at all in view of a lesser role in the body of Christ, It's a designed structure.
I think it's an extension of the model shown in Ephesians 5:22-32. a husband and wife modeling Christ and the Church.
I hope that helps. God bless
I just happened to stumble in this area of the website and read the comments about the Bible and women preachers. Let me encourage you there are women preachers in the Word of God. You have Deborah the prophetess in the Old Testament who was one of the Judges ( Judges 4:4-5), the Lady Elect in the New Testament (2 John) and then you have the women who was sent not only by the angel sitting at Jesus' tomb to proclaim He had risen to His disciples, but on the way, they met Jesus who greeted them and instructed them to tell his brethren to go to Galilee to see Him there. They were the first to see and proclaim Jesus was alive and rose from the dead.
Sometimes the Word of God can be misconstrued and taken out of context. This is why we have to pray and study God's word ourselves (ref. 2 Timothy 2:15) along with being taught by our leader.
I also believe King James Version is the best version to read. If you have a hard time understanding ask God to open your understanding to His truth. I also recommend keeping a commentary next to you as you read the Word of God. Matthew Henry is a good commentary to read.
I pray this information has helped you.
Do what God has called you to do.
Do not worry about what man thinks.
Follow God's example.
Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 21:8-9
And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
The Sons of Aaron were the priestly order UNTIL the renting of the veil ( Matthew 27:51)
Teaching is open to everyone.
Class is in Session.
Christ is the Head Master.
Women were prophesying (teaching) and judging (governing / leading) all throughout the Old Testament; Miriam ( Exodus 15:10), Deborah ( Judges 4:4), Huldah ( 2 Kings 22:14), etc
Who taught Timothy? 2 Timothy Chapter 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from [my] forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;
4 Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;
5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.
He also said that he is angry with the wicked every day - it is his words not mine. I am simply quoting scripture. We cannot put words in His mouth. That would not do Him justice.