You quote Job 39:12 and you assign the "seed" to being the word of God. What you are doing is 'spiritualising' a statement of God to Job that was a literal question being put to Job by God that required from Job a literal answer. As Job had none aren't you being somewhat presumptuous here in your claims as to what the seed and the barn mean? An illustration of God's questioning of Job is shown in the verses below:
Job 39:1 "Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth [their offspring]? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve? 2 Canst thou number the months that they fulfil [their gestation]? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?"
Anyone can spiritualise scripture to make it say whatever they want it to say - but it doesn't mean that it is true. Therefore, I reject what you say about this verse.
In regards to your view on John 12:24, although Jesus compares Himself to a grain of wheat as you say, His death was aimed to bring "many sons to glory" ( Hebrews 2:10) through the new birth ( John 3:3-8). Jesus could not establish a glorious church on Earth through His people unless He died and was glorified ( John 7:37-39; Acts 2:33; Eph. 1). Christians today are expected to die as Christ did - but NOT in the physical sense but in the spiritual sense:
- In this, we are to crucify our 'Old Man' nature until "he" is DEAD - Romans 6:6.-
- If we haven't, then spiritually speaking, God sees us as "walking in the flesh" ( Romans 8:1, 7).
However, if we are truly "born-again", we will share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with others so as to bring more lost souls into God's kingdom. By doing this, we (as being that "corn of wheat) will then "...bringeth forth much fruit" - meaning, the lost souls into God's kingdom through personal evangelism, "...some [corns'] an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear!" ( Matt 13:3-9).
Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together (the wheat and the tares) ......but gather the wheat into the barn ....
Job 39:12 Wilt thou believe him (a prophecy of the Messiah), that he (Christ) may bring home the SEED (the word of God), and gather it (the word of God)(the SEED)(the WHEAT)(all symbols of CHRIST) into the barn (a symbol of the TEMPLE)
John 12:24 ... except a corn of WHEAT (SEED)(word of God)(CHRIST) fall into the ground (the grave)and DIE, it (Christ)(the WORD)(the SEED) (the WHEAT) abideth alone, but if it (Christ, the SEED, the WORD, the WHEAT) DIE, it (CHRIST) bringeth forth much FRUIT.
Wheat makes more WHEAT, Christ makes MORE CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body .... ONE Spirit ....
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE as we are ONE ......
Christ ONLY was raised from the DEAD.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE: but they are EQUAL to the ANGELS, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
Isaiah 63:9 ... and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ....
Ezekiel 17:3 ...and a GREAT EAGLE with great wings, long winged, and full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
Revelation 12:15 And to the woman was GIVEN two wings of a GREAT EAGLE ....
Job 39:30 Doth the EAGLE mount up at THY COMMAND, and make her nest on high? She dwelleth and abideth on THE ROCK, upon the crag of the ROCK, and the strong place. From thence (the ROCK) she seeketh the prey (FLESH and BLOOD) and her eyes behold afar off. Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, THERE IS SHE.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood cannot inherit the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ......
Revelation 19:17 .....and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven (the children of the GREAT EAGLE) Come and gather yourselves to the supper of the Great God;
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of great kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men ....and the FLESH OF ALL MEN ----FLESH and BLOOD CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God ----
Strong's concordance suggests the Hebrew word translated "crop" in Leviticus 1 means "Conspicuousness" or "prominence." The word "feathers" in Lev. 1 suggests "plumage" and the same word is translated in Ezekiel 17 as "feathers" and in Job 39 as "ostrich."
Ezekiel 17
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
Job 39:13
Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
These associations with the words "crop" and "feathers" in other passages lead me to believe the "glory" of the birds was removed and cast aside before the bird was burnt as an offering.
To draw an application, before Christians can offer their bodies an acceptable sacrifice to God their own "glory" must be discarded.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Surprisingly, as I was listening to audio play of the book of Job, unicorns are mentioned along with leviathan. I cannot explain whether this creature was understood as a different animal than the one spoken of today but please share if you find anything. Job 39:9-10
Described as an animal of great ferocity and strength (Num. "23:22, R.V., "wild ox," marg., "ox-antelope;" 24:8; Isa. 34:7," "R.V., "wild oxen"), and untamable ( Job 39:9). It was in reality" a two-horned animal; but the exact reference of the word so rendered (reem) is doubtful. Some have supposed it to be the "buffalo; others, the white antelope, called by the Arabs rim." "Most probably, however, the word denotes the Bos primigenius" "("primitive ox"), which is now extinct all over the world. This" "was the auerochs of the Germans, and the urus described by" "Caesar (Gal. Bel., vi. 28) as inhabiting the Hercynian forest." The word thus rendered has been found in an Assyrian inscription "written over the wild ox or bison, which some also suppose to be" the animal intended (comp. Deut. 33:17; Ps. 22:21; 29:6; 92:10).
Use the Search Box on the opening page: type unicorn in the box, then read. Some Bible translations show the word unicorn changed.
Toy industries make billions on an extinct animal.
The Book of Job has lots more info on animalsalso a unicorn reference.
Hi Robin. The unicorn is a mythological beast, depicted as a horse with a horn from its forehead. However, in the Bible, the references to unicorn are commonly understood to be a wild ox (Hebrew: reem), which was known for its strength. Now, whether there is a wild ox, past or present, having a horn, or whether a rhinocerous is inferred, can only be a guess. Numbers 23:22 speaks of the unicorn's strength; Psalm 92:10: having a horn. So, clearly this was a strong savage beast & probably one that couldn't be domesticated (see Job 39:10: such an animal couldn't be used for ploughing & field work, such was its nature & strength).
The use of the word unicorn is incorrect. And this isn't the only location in Scripture where a unicorn has been supernaturally embedded in Scripture in the King James version. Numbers 24:8, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10. Another example would be in the book of Revelation chapter 1. The word candlestick has replaced lampstand in 4 locations. Revelation 1:12-13 and twice again in verse 20.
"Unicorn" occurs 6 times in 6 verses in the KJV, including 6 exact phrases shown first.
Num 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Num 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Box Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psa 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psa 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
4 I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
5 When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid;
6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.
11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick CLOUDS of the skies.
13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.
14 The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.
15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
17 He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters;
18 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.
19 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.
20 He brought me forth also into a large place: he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
21 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
As you know, God is now speaking to Job (from Job chapter 38 onwards). God gives Job a whole list of things that He does, to which Job & others cannot have input to - all this to show Job that God is in control, not Job - He knows what He is doing & how He looks at things & at people.
So in Job 39:13, God refers to the peacock & ostrich, who carelessly leave their eggs buried in the earth, ignorant that something can pass by & crush those eggs. God says that He has deprived these animals of 'wisdom' to know or to look ahead as to the other possibilities of the eggs' survival. The bird only knows to lay its eggs & bury them; she gives no further thought about their further protection. Like the proverbial ostrich which buries its head in the sand, believing that no one can see it, since it can't see anyone.
Job was not to be like such animals devoid of understanding (you will need to look for this truth as you read the Book of Job, as it would be too much to write here). Rather Job needed to realize his humanity, his lack of wisdom & need to accept God's actions & dealings with him.
After this great dialogue by the Lord, Job finally realized that his wisdom lay in his being quiet before the Lord ( Job 40:3-5). As James 1:19 says: "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath".
29:9 To calve - Through the terror it causes, which hastens the birth. He names the hinds, because they bring forth their young with difficulty, # Job 39:1|,2. Discovereth - Heb. maketh bare, of its trees, which it breaks or strips of their leaves. Glory - Having shewed the terrible effects of God's power in other places, he now shews the blessed privilege of God's people, that are praising God in his temple, when the rest of the world are trembling under the tokens of his displeasure.
29:10 The flood - The most violent waters, which sometimes fall from the clouds upon the earth. These are fitly mentioned, as being many times the companions of great thunders. And this may be alleged as another reason, why God's people praised him in his temple, because as he sends terrible tempests and thunders, so he also restrains and over - rules them. Sitteth - He doth sit, and will sit as king for ever, sending such tempests when it pleaseth him.
From my reading of the word, with the Holy Spirit's help, there seems to me to be nothing that says we will be taken out of here before Christ's return. The question of two being together and one taken away is answered by Christ with his saying that the one taken is taken to where the eagles gather and where the eagles are, there the slain are. Also Job 39:40 talks about that place of the eagles being where the slain are. Ephesians 1:20 says when we are saved, immediately we are seated in
Christ in the Heavens (the New Heavens ) where we are blessed with all spiritual blessings in high places. Although we don't feel it right now, we're already there. We are Christ's bride. Rev 21:2. We ARE the New Jerusalem so when Christ returns, there we are with him. Rev 21:10. He comes here to earth WITH the New Jerusalem, gathers up to us those who are remaining here on the earth and CONTINUES to come down to the earth where we will rule with him here on the earth and kings and judges for 1000 years. Nowhere does it say he comes down and then returns back up, but rather proceeds to come down here TO RULE for 1000 years. This is the truth as I have read it from the Word of God, Jesus Christ. He IS the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, and he is alive, the living Word.
Unicorn - This is the Hebrew/Greek translation into English. It means: United at the Horn --- or Unicorn - Which is the Wild Ox - when tamed - Wild Oxen were yoked at the horn. To be equally yoked is a symbol of being united at the horn ---- not at the neck. This amazing symbol of being equally yoked is a total union of the mind. Christ invites us to be yoked to His mind, for His yoke is easy
I think the unicorn is just that what we see as a fantasy mythical horse with a horn. So why can't we say the bible is right. Our imagination can't began to comprehend all kinds of creatures from the beginning when God created the earth. Maybe they died off like the giants "David and Goliath."
Job, A Prophet, (See Ezek. and James) speaks God's words as to what to look for at the return of Christ (Jesus quotes this passage to the Pharisees in Galilee and to His disciples, from the Mt. of Olives, when He spoke about His future "coming Kingdom.")
Verses 19-25 have topical resonance, having read through the chapter today (from the later NIV) in the wake of the new film 'War Horse'. Would have chimed well with devout cavalry soldiers in WWI who learned their scripture from the KJV. A great-uncle of mine was a Farrier Sergeant in the artillery in same war when horses were employed for gun towing. I still have his 'dog tag' with C.E. initials which would have ensured he was buried with appropriate rites if found dead - fortunately he survived the war.
You quote Job 39:12 and you assign the "seed" to being the word of God. What you are doing is 'spiritualising' a statement of God to Job that was a literal question being put to Job by God that required from Job a literal answer. As Job had none aren't you being somewhat presumptuous here in your claims as to what the seed and the barn mean? An illustration of God's questioning of Job is shown in the verses below:
Job 39:1 "Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth [their offspring]? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve? 2 Canst thou number the months that they fulfil [their gestation]? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?"
Anyone can spiritualise scripture to make it say whatever they want it to say - but it doesn't mean that it is true. Therefore, I reject what you say about this verse.
In regards to your view on John 12:24, although Jesus compares Himself to a grain of wheat as you say, His death was aimed to bring "many sons to glory" ( Hebrews 2:10) through the new birth ( John 3:3-8). Jesus could not establish a glorious church on Earth through His people unless He died and was glorified ( John 7:37-39; Acts 2:33; Eph. 1). Christians today are expected to die as Christ did - but NOT in the physical sense but in the spiritual sense:
- In this, we are to crucify our 'Old Man' nature until "he" is DEAD - Romans 6:6.-
- If we haven't, then spiritually speaking, God sees us as "walking in the flesh" ( Romans 8:1, 7).
However, if we are truly "born-again", we will share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with others so as to bring more lost souls into God's kingdom. By doing this, we (as being that "corn of wheat) will then "...bringeth forth much fruit" - meaning, the lost souls into God's kingdom through personal evangelism, "...some [corns'] an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear!" ( Matt 13:3-9).
That's how I see it, Plaintalk.
Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together (the wheat and the tares) ......but gather the wheat into the barn ....
Job 39:12 Wilt thou believe him (a prophecy of the Messiah), that he (Christ) may bring home the SEED (the word of God), and gather it (the word of God)(the SEED)(the WHEAT)(all symbols of CHRIST) into the barn (a symbol of the TEMPLE)
John 12:24 ... except a corn of WHEAT (SEED)(word of God)(CHRIST) fall into the ground (the grave)and DIE, it (Christ)(the WORD)(the SEED) (the WHEAT) abideth alone, but if it (Christ, the SEED, the WORD, the WHEAT) DIE, it (CHRIST) bringeth forth much FRUIT.
Wheat makes more WHEAT, Christ makes MORE CHRIST.
Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body .... ONE Spirit ....
John 17:22 .... that they may be ONE as we are ONE ......
Christ ONLY was raised from the DEAD.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIED ANYMORE: but they are EQUAL to the ANGELS, being the children of the RESURRECTION.
Isaiah 63:9 ... and the ANGEL of HIS PRESENCE SAVED THEM ....
God bless you.
Revelation 12:15 And to the woman was GIVEN two wings of a GREAT EAGLE ....
Job 39:30 Doth the EAGLE mount up at THY COMMAND, and make her nest on high? She dwelleth and abideth on THE ROCK, upon the crag of the ROCK, and the strong place. From thence (the ROCK) she seeketh the prey (FLESH and BLOOD) and her eyes behold afar off. Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, THERE IS SHE.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood cannot inherit the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ......
Revelation 19:17 .....and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven (the children of the GREAT EAGLE) Come and gather yourselves to the supper of the Great God;
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of great kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men ....and the FLESH OF ALL MEN ----FLESH and BLOOD CANNOT inherit the kingdom of God ----
Some WORDS OF GOD TO MEDIATE ON
Ezekiel 17
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
Job 39:13
Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
These associations with the words "crop" and "feathers" in other passages lead me to believe the "glory" of the birds was removed and cast aside before the bird was burnt as an offering.
To draw an application, before Christians can offer their bodies an acceptable sacrifice to God their own "glory" must be discarded.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Use the Search Box on the opening page: type unicorn in the box, then read. Some Bible translations show the word unicorn changed.
Toy industries make billions on an extinct animal.
The Book of Job has lots more info on animalsalso a unicorn reference.
"Unicorn" occurs 6 times in 6 verses in the KJV, including 6 exact phrases shown first.
Num 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Num 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Box Job 39:9
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Job 39:10
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Psa 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psa 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
so what is going on?
3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
4 I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
5 When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of ungodly men made me afraid;
6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.
11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick CLOUDS of the skies.
13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.
14 The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.
15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
17 He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters;
18 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.
19 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.
20 He brought me forth also into a large place: he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
21 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
22 For I have kept the ways of the LORD,
So in Job 39:13, God refers to the peacock & ostrich, who carelessly leave their eggs buried in the earth, ignorant that something can pass by & crush those eggs. God says that He has deprived these animals of 'wisdom' to know or to look ahead as to the other possibilities of the eggs' survival. The bird only knows to lay its eggs & bury them; she gives no further thought about their further protection. Like the proverbial ostrich which buries its head in the sand, believing that no one can see it, since it can't see anyone.
Job was not to be like such animals devoid of understanding (you will need to look for this truth as you read the Book of Job, as it would be too much to write here). Rather Job needed to realize his humanity, his lack of wisdom & need to accept God's actions & dealings with him.
After this great dialogue by the Lord, Job finally realized that his wisdom lay in his being quiet before the Lord ( Job 40:3-5). As James 1:19 says: "let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath".
13 Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?
14 Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,
15 And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.
16 She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers: her labour is in vain without fear;
17 Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.
18 What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.
29:9 To calve - Through the terror it causes, which hastens the birth. He names the hinds, because they bring forth their young with difficulty, # Job 39:1|,2. Discovereth - Heb. maketh bare, of its trees, which it breaks or strips of their leaves. Glory - Having shewed the terrible effects of God's power in other places, he now shews the blessed privilege of God's people, that are praising God in his temple, when the rest of the world are trembling under the tokens of his displeasure.
29:10 The flood - The most violent waters, which sometimes fall from the clouds upon the earth. These are fitly mentioned, as being many times the companions of great thunders. And this may be alleged as another reason, why God's people praised him in his temple, because as he sends terrible tempests and thunders, so he also restrains and over - rules them. Sitteth - He doth sit, and will sit as king for ever, sending such tempests when it pleaseth him.
Christ in the Heavens (the New Heavens ) where we are blessed with all spiritual blessings in high places. Although we don't feel it right now, we're already there. We are Christ's bride. Rev 21:2. We ARE the New Jerusalem so when Christ returns, there we are with him. Rev 21:10. He comes here to earth WITH the New Jerusalem, gathers up to us those who are remaining here on the earth and CONTINUES to come down to the earth where we will rule with him here on the earth and kings and judges for 1000 years. Nowhere does it say he comes down and then returns back up, but rather proceeds to come down here TO RULE for 1000 years. This is the truth as I have read it from the Word of God, Jesus Christ. He IS the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, and he is alive, the living Word.
Science is knowledge and truths gained through observation and replecation. So how do you know there has never been a horse with one horn?
Alot of scientist still beleive in evolution without any evidence or proof and claim it to be scientific fact.
"probably the great aurochs or wild bulls which are now extinct. The exact meaning is not known."
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