Don't believe a word I say without looking to the scriptures and asking Christ to teach you.
Going to concordances for definitions of words will actually hinder you, because most of God's truth is hidden in parables and symbols, and have nothing to do with the defined definition of the word, truth is hidden within the symbol of that word.
Job is a parable, containing prophecies of Christ.
Thanks, brother, I hope you did not take Greek Philosophy personally. I understand the Hebrew word nephesh, it can be any being, dog, cat, or cow. It can also mean a soul, a living being, a dead being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, and emotion, basically who we are. When I said the spirit of life, I did not mean it had anything to do with the Spirit of God, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant spirit/breath as the word neshamah used in Job 27:3.
I understand our being or soul is the same thing it is who we are and who will someday be with Jesus and see God's face. But that day is the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30. In Scripture in death there is no remembrance of us, Psalm 6:5. In death we lie down until, Job 14:12-14 the grave is our house and our bed Job 17:13-16.
We will see death and the grave and our soul will be there Psalm 89:48 and this Ecclesiastes 9:5-10. I know our understanding may be different, but I do not see in Scripture where we or any part of us is immortal until resurrection day 1 Cor. 15:52-53 we will be raised from the grave, us, our soul/being, who we are.
The definition of death is the separation of the soul from the body I do not see in Scripture. It does say there is no knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, death, Ecclesiastes 9:10. I do not see that has changed. I know many understand as you and I hope you take this as just a little of where my understanding comes from, for it does not affect salvation.
The way I see it, we are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with His reward of eternal life, either we will be alive or asleep in the grave.
I agree Matthew 24 is PROPHECY, but it's meaning is HIDDEN in a PARABLE
Psalms is also a PROPHECY.
Psalms 49:4 I (the spirit of Christ wrote Psalms) will open my mouth in a parable .....
Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....
The whole bible is written by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the whole bible is a parable, the meaning is HIDDEN from the physical eyes.
Job is a PROPHECY, but it's meaning is hidden in a Parable, the physical eye can't see the truth of the parable.
Job 27:1 Moreover Job CONTINUED his PARABLE ...
Job 29:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE ...
If Job is continuing his parable, it has been a parable from the beginning.
Ezekiel is a Prophecy, but hidden in a parable.
Ezekiel 17:2 Son of Man, put forth a riddle, and speak a PARABLE to the house of Israel of Israel.
Ezekiel 24:3 Utter a PARABLE unto the rebellious house .....
Ezekiel, through the spirit of Christ, is PROPHESYING that the words of God are a PARABLE, and can't be understood without the spirit of Christ revealing it to you.
Micah 2:4 In that day (the day he is speaking the words of Matthew 24) ONE (CHRIST) shall take up a parable against you ....
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables, and without a parable spake he not to them.
You know ALL of God's words a Parable, because his word says so.
Mark 4:34 But with a parable spake he not to them, (the disciples never understood a word he was saying) and when they were alone, he expounded all things to them.
You have to be alone also, and the spirit of Christ will expound all things to you.
Revelation 19:10 ...for the testimony (words) of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.
You need to rethink the abomination of desolation, the rapture, and a single anti-christ.
Tom, The word of God is a parable. The Spirit of Christ wrote the Bible.
Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (the words) of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus to the multitudes in parables, and without a parable spake he not into them.
Numbers 23:7 And he took up this PARABLE ....
Numbers 23:18 And he took up this PARABLE .....
Numbers 24:20-21 ...and he took up his parable ....
Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable ...
Job 29: Moreover Job continued his parable ...
Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....
Ezekiel 17:2 ... and speak a parable ...
Ezekiel 24:3 ..... utter a parable .....
Micah 2:4 ..... take up a parable .....
Habakkuk 2:6 Shall not all take up a parable against him .....
Know this is what happens when you don't BELIEVE GOD when he says he speaks in parables.
Proverbs 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal, SO IS A PARABLE IN THE MOUTH OF FOOLS.
Heaven is a parable of the place GOD LIVES.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU .....GOD LIVES IN MAN
The angle of the Lord is a ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) the angle of the Lord is GOD, therefore that ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) is planting his SEED (inpregenating) man with TRUTH AND LIFE; creating man in the IMAGE OF GOD.
YES, ANGLES (MEN, that has left this body of flesh, and BECOME ministering spirits being BORN AGAIN (FATHER by the HOLY GHOST) and ONE WITH CHRIST are inpregenating creation with the SEED OF GOD.
You will appreciate the book of Job even more when you understand it is a parable about the sufferings of Christ. Look at it closely and you will see much of it parallels the Psalms.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.
Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable, saying ....
Job 29:1 Moreover, Job continued his parable, and said ....
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (the spirit of Christ), Ah Lord God (the Father), they (the scriptures) say of me (Christ), Doth he (Christ) not speak parables.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable he spake not to them.
The whole Bible is the words of Christ, therefore the Bible itself is a parable (HIDDEN TRUTHS).
God the Father Cannot Look Upon Sin - In Reply - 2 years ago
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said
Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;
meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what he breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is, my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God: ( 1 Peter 3:18-20) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, God determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;
not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.
Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;
meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what God breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is,
my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God, as the Targum of Jonathan, which agrees with ( 1 Peter 3:18-20 ) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, he determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;
not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.
Can anyone tell me the message behind Job 27:18 about with looking glass etc? I was praying earlier and got a thought of a looking glass and when I searched it in the bible that's what came up. Thanks.
Cheryl (The breath of life is his spirit) so that which makes you you is spirit. And the very scripture you used about the breath returning to God it actually says spirit not breath returns back to God (but remember the breath is the spirit). these are all scriptures that let you know this is true Ecclesi. 12:7/ Job 32:8/ Prov. 20:27/ Rom.8:16/ Zech. 12:1/ Gen. 2:7/ job 27:3/ Heb. 4:12
We can in verse 27 how Job did not allow others to make him think that he had failed as an integrity keeper. Job set a good example for us of cultivating a strong love for Jehovah God.
Thank you job for your message, ,, I love Jesus with all my heart! ! I pray for the poor. . There hungry their thirsty we need to do more cloth them, ,.. Jesus I pray that we do more too glorify your name. Amen. .
To these men trying to point out His problems, he said, I 'm going to hang on to my righteousness. I 'm not going to omit I 'm wrong. This hardness develops quickly within self-righteous people. to the point they won 't let anyone tell them what to do. Read the parable of the publican Luke,18:10-11
Over whelming powerful. I see all job was saying of the father and his majesty. I see the evil he speaks of today in our world. How the poor keep getting poorer and The hungry and the naked are not fed yet or clothed yet. With all the billionares in this world nothing has changed and will not. UNTIL ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT CONTRIBUTE BUT POLLUTE AND CORRUPT ARE NO MORE.
Job was such an excellent example of displaying integrity Job went through so many difficult situations all at the same time but he maintained his loyalty to Jehovah God This is an encouraging example for us to keep our integrity to God no matter what we face
Again
Here's a correction on Job 27:1 and Job 29:1 that you misquoted.
It doesn't read as you stated.
Your text for both verses;
( Moreover "God" continued his parable,...
Here's what's written;
Job 27:1 "Moreover "Job" continued his parable, and said,...
Jon 29:1 "Moreover "Job" continued his parable, and said...
You're fashioning scripture to say what you want it to say to hinder the truth.
I totally AGREE with Brother S Spencer.
It's is God speaking and NOT Job.
I will rephrase:
Job 27:1 Moreover God continued HIS parable .....
Job 29:1 Moreover God continued HIS parable ....
God Bless YOU!
If you would allow me once again to intervene.
The book of Job is written mostly in poetic form.
Job 27:1 and Job 29:1 Job is speaking and it has nothing to do with the topic of the clouds or bottles.
Job 38 it is the Lord speaking, Not Job.
Job 38:1-3 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me...
Lee, test what you gather from others with the written scriptures and continue on with a reading program.
Also a concordance and a bible dictionary is a great help.
And pray always.
Here is where I pull out of this discussion
God bless you.
Don't believe a word I say without looking to the scriptures and asking Christ to teach you.
Going to concordances for definitions of words will actually hinder you, because most of God's truth is hidden in parables and symbols, and have nothing to do with the defined definition of the word, truth is hidden within the symbol of that word.
Job is a parable, containing prophecies of Christ.
Job 27:1 More over Job CONTINUED his parable....
Job 29:1 Moreover Job CONTINUED his parable .....
God BLESS YOU!
Thanks, brother, I hope you did not take Greek Philosophy personally. I understand the Hebrew word nephesh, it can be any being, dog, cat, or cow. It can also mean a soul, a living being, a dead being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, and emotion, basically who we are. When I said the spirit of life, I did not mean it had anything to do with the Spirit of God, sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant spirit/breath as the word neshamah used in Job 27:3.
I understand our being or soul is the same thing it is who we are and who will someday be with Jesus and see God's face. But that day is the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30. In Scripture in death there is no remembrance of us, Psalm 6:5. In death we lie down until, Job 14:12-14 the grave is our house and our bed Job 17:13-16.
We will see death and the grave and our soul will be there Psalm 89:48 and this Ecclesiastes 9:5-10. I know our understanding may be different, but I do not see in Scripture where we or any part of us is immortal until resurrection day 1 Cor. 15:52-53 we will be raised from the grave, us, our soul/being, who we are.
The definition of death is the separation of the soul from the body I do not see in Scripture. It does say there is no knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, death, Ecclesiastes 9:10. I do not see that has changed. I know many understand as you and I hope you take this as just a little of where my understanding comes from, for it does not affect salvation.
The way I see it, we are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with His reward of eternal life, either we will be alive or asleep in the grave.
God bless,
RLW
I agree Matthew 24 is PROPHECY, but it's meaning is HIDDEN in a PARABLE
Psalms is also a PROPHECY.
Psalms 49:4 I (the spirit of Christ wrote Psalms) will open my mouth in a parable .....
Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....
The whole bible is written by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, the whole bible is a parable, the meaning is HIDDEN from the physical eyes.
Job is a PROPHECY, but it's meaning is hidden in a Parable, the physical eye can't see the truth of the parable.
Job 27:1 Moreover Job CONTINUED his PARABLE ...
Job 29:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE ...
If Job is continuing his parable, it has been a parable from the beginning.
Ezekiel is a Prophecy, but hidden in a parable.
Ezekiel 17:2 Son of Man, put forth a riddle, and speak a PARABLE to the house of Israel of Israel.
Ezekiel 24:3 Utter a PARABLE unto the rebellious house .....
Ezekiel, through the spirit of Christ, is PROPHESYING that the words of God are a PARABLE, and can't be understood without the spirit of Christ revealing it to you.
Micah 2:4 In that day (the day he is speaking the words of Matthew 24) ONE (CHRIST) shall take up a parable against you ....
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables, and without a parable spake he not to them.
You know ALL of God's words a Parable, because his word says so.
Mark 4:34 But with a parable spake he not to them, (the disciples never understood a word he was saying) and when they were alone, he expounded all things to them.
You have to be alone also, and the spirit of Christ will expound all things to you.
Revelation 19:10 ...for the testimony (words) of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.
You need to rethink the abomination of desolation, the rapture, and a single anti-christ.
God Bless YOU as HE reveals his words to you.
I never said that Job was not and actual event.
Is not our bible the WORDS of God.
Was not Job a Prophet, Prophesying.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy CAME NOT in the old time by the will of men: but holy men of God spake as they we moved by the Holy Ghost.
Job 27:1 And Job continued HIS PARABLE, and said
Job 13:27 ...thou settest a print on the heels of my feet.
Job was PROPHESYING by a PARABLE about Christ.
Most of Psalms, is David, a Prophet, prophesying about Christ.
You see the same thing described by both Prophets.
God Bless YOU!
Why do you think there is so many opinions:
Because MAN want believe God's WORD.
Job 27:1 And Job continued his PARABLE, and said.
Was Job crucified on the Cross:
Job 13:27 ...thou settest a print upon the heels of my feet
James 15:11 .... ye have heard of the patience of Job (Jesus) ......
Revelation 1:9 ......and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ ......
PROPHECY
Psalms 49:4 I (Christ) will open my mouth in a PARABLE .....
Ezekiel 17:2 Son of man, put forth a RIDDLE, and speak a PARABLE .....
Ezekiel 24:3 And utter a PARABLE ....
PROPHECY FULFILLED
Matthew And these thing Jesus spake to the multitudes in PARABLES, and WITHOUT a PARABLE he SPAKE NOT TO THEM.
Christ is speaking TODAY to the MULTITUDES though HIS WORDS, and THOSE WORDS ARE A PARABLE.
You will never understand God's WORD until he causes you to believe his word's are a PARABLE.
Everything from Genesis to Revelation is a PARABLE about the KINGDOM OF GOD.
God Bless YOU!
The book of Job is BOTH a PARABLE and a PROPHECY about and of Jesus Christ, as is Psalms.
Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE, and said
Job 29:1 Moreover Job continued his PARABLE, and said
Job 13:27 .....thou settest a print upon the heels of my feet
I guess the answer to you question: how long did Job suffer.
Jesus suffered three and a half years, his ministry in the flesh.
God Bless YOU!
Christ said when you need a word to speak or a scripture to quote it will come to your mind, because THE WORD is the LIFE of the Body (YOU).
PROPHECY:
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my SPIRIT within you, and CAUSE you (the body) to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements, and DO THEM.
FULFILLED at pentecost:
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (the life) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Your (the body) lips move because the life (Christ in You) CAUSES them to move.
Job 23:12 Neither have I gone back from the commandments of HIS LIPS (you are ONE with Christ)(LIFE is Christ and BODY is You).
Job 27:4 My (yours and Christ) LIPS shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.
Job 2:10 ...in all this Job did not sin with his lips.
Psalms 12:4 Who (one with no knowledge of truth) have said, With our tongue we will prevail, our lips are our own: who is Lord over us.
We were PREDESTINATED to be the IMAGE OF CHRIST.
John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing ...
Christ is the BODY that holds the LIFE of the FATHER.
John 15:5 .....for without me you can do nothing ....
WE are the BODY that holds the LIFE of Christ.
John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me I have given them, that they MAY BE ONE, even as WE ARE ONE.
Is it not mind boggling to walk in TRUTH.
God Bless YOU!
Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (the words) of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus to the multitudes in parables, and without a parable spake he not into them.
Numbers 23:7 And he took up this PARABLE ....
Numbers 23:18 And he took up this PARABLE .....
Numbers 24:20-21 ...and he took up his parable ....
Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable ...
Job 29: Moreover Job continued his parable ...
Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....
Ezekiel 17:2 ... and speak a parable ...
Ezekiel 24:3 ..... utter a parable .....
Micah 2:4 ..... take up a parable .....
Habakkuk 2:6 Shall not all take up a parable against him .....
Know this is what happens when you don't BELIEVE GOD when he says he speaks in parables.
Proverbs 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal, SO IS A PARABLE IN THE MOUTH OF FOOLS.
Heaven is a parable of the place GOD LIVES.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU .....GOD LIVES IN MAN
The angle of the Lord is a ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) the angle of the Lord is GOD, therefore that ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) is planting his SEED (inpregenating) man with TRUTH AND LIFE; creating man in the IMAGE OF GOD.
YES, ANGLES (MEN, that has left this body of flesh, and BECOME ministering spirits being BORN AGAIN (FATHER by the HOLY GHOST) and ONE WITH CHRIST are inpregenating creation with the SEED OF GOD.
God Bless You!
You will appreciate the book of Job even more when you understand it is a parable about the sufferings of Christ. Look at it closely and you will see much of it parallels the Psalms.
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.
Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable, saying ....
Job 29:1 Moreover, Job continued his parable, and said ....
Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (the spirit of Christ), Ah Lord God (the Father), they (the scriptures) say of me (Christ), Doth he (Christ) not speak parables.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable he spake not to them.
The whole Bible is the words of Christ, therefore the Bible itself is a parable (HIDDEN TRUTHS).
GBU
Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;
meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what he breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is, my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God: ( 1 Peter 3:18-20) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, God determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;
not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.
JESUS CAME TO REDEEM US WITH HIS BLOOD.
And the Lord said
Not to Noah, as in ( Genesis 6:13 ) for, as yet, he is not taken notice of, or any discourse addressed to him; but rather to or within himself, he said what follows, or thus concluded, and resolved on in his own mind: my Spirit shall not always strive with man;
meaning either the soul of man, called the Spirit of God, ( Job 27:3 ) because of his creation, and is what God breathes and puts into men, and therefore is styled the Father of spirits; and which is in man, as some in Aben Ezra observe to be the sense the word used, as a sword in the scabbard; and so the meaning is, it shall not always abide there, but be unsheathed and drawn out; man shall not live always, since he is corrupt, and given to carnal lusts: or else, as Jarchi thinks, God himself is meant, and that the sense is,
my Spirit shall not always contend within myself; or there shall not always be contention within me concerning man, whether I shall destroy him, or have mercy on him; I am at a point to punish him, since he is wholly carnal: or rather this is to be understood of the Holy Spirit of God, as the Targum of Jonathan, which agrees with ( 1 Peter 3:18-20 ) and to be thus interpreted; that the Spirit of God, which had been litigating and reasoning the point, as men do in a court of judicature, as the word signifies, with these men in the court, and at the bar of their own consciences, by one providence or by one minister or another, particularly by Noah, a preacher of righteousness, in vain, and to no purpose; therefore, he determines to proceed no longer in this way, but pass and execute the sentence of condemnation on them: for that he also is flesh;
not only carnal and corrupt, but sadly corrupted, and wholly given up to and immersed in sensual lusts and carnal pleasures, so as not to be restrained nor reformed; even the posterity of Seth, professors of religion also, as well as the profane world and posterity of Cain.
Jesus came to redeem us from sin
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