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Job 2 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • How to Fear the Lord - in Reply
    Proverbs 1:7

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    Proverbs 9:10

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

    Proverbs 8:13

    The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

    Proverbs 19:23

    The fear of the Lord tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.

    Job 28:28

    And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

    Luke 1:50

    And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

    Phillipians 2:12-13

    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to Will and to Do of his good pleasure.

    Deuteronomy 31:6

    Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them (enemies) : for the Lord thy God, he it is that goes with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.

    Comment: it means to honor and respect; to trust and follow God.

    Mishael
  • Kent Dupree Bass - in Reply
    Hi Tccc. Job 27:18 is talking about a wicked Man's portion from Yah.
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    1st thing that comes to my mind is what we call the atmosphere. How it's curved clear & rounded, like a magnifying lens. How amazing earth looks from outter space, Job 37:18 , seems to describe it beautifully. Thank you for sharing it.

    Glass is made through molten process.

    The 1st part of the verse it appears Elihu, is still talking with Job from Job 36:1-4 & he seems to be asking Job in reference to GOD ALMIGHTY "hast thou with him spread out the sky?'' 1611 KJV,

    Job 2:11-13, the conversations start after these verses.

    Hopefully this is helpful.
  • Tccc
    Can anyone tell me the message behind Job 27:18 about with looking glass etc? I was praying earlier and got a thought of a looking glass and when I searched it in the bible that's what came up. Thanks.
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    I 1st thought of the scripture Adam & Spencer Shaw gave you. Then I prayed I might understand what you're looking for.

    Hebrews 10:26-39

    I searched under wisdom & found these. Hopefully these are helpful in what you're looking for: I added a few additional.

    Matthew 12:41-42, Luke 11:31-32, Luke 11:52, Ecclesiastes 10:1, James 3:13-18,

    Ecclesiastes 1:18, Proverbs 17:16,

    Job 11:6-7, Job 26:1-4, Job 28:28,

    Psalms 37:27-31, Psalms 111:10, Proverbs 10,

    Most verses on wisdom are how good & pleasant it is: Proverbs 19:8, Proverbs 23:4, Ecclesiastes 7:12,
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Matthew 24:2-51,

    Job 24:14,

    Please note: Matthew 24:48-51, Matthew 24:30, Matthew 24:42-47, Matthew 24:36-39.

    It's all in Matthew 24,

    Hopefully these scriptures are helpful.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Job 1
    Bill,

    In Job 23:12, it says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips, I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."



    What really is necessary, Spiritual food, or physical food? We eat three times a day or more, plus dessert. How often do we eat spiritually and feed the soul? Very interesting!

    In John 4:32, after the disciples brought physical food to Jesus, they said to Him, "Master, eat." Jesus answers and says, " I have meat to eat that ye know not of.



    I don't know if you have ever experienced this before, where you are physically hungry, you are physically tired, but then in some way, shape, or form, God ministers through you to someone else, or from someone else to you, and whatever physical hunger you have or physical thirst you have, it doesn't make any difference! You forget about the physical hunger and you are no longer hungry.



    The spiritual food is contentment in and of itself. You are not as hungry as you used to be or as starved as you used to be. Now what is interesting here is that remember the woman left her water pot behind.



    Jesus said you just brought physical food from the city, but I have food to eat that you know not of. He ministered God's word to this woman.
  • Free - in Reply
    Oh that Job is struggling! Thank you for the words Job 26. Fantastically strong confession for the time Job was here on the face of the earth. And we who know what he had to go through. Yet he believes in the Lord. Job sees the realm of the dead, and avadon. But He thinks God sees that it is there too. Maybe there's a despair here. A darkness over the perdition that he knows they both see. Job was totally bewildered.

    Yet Job knows that this is only the edge of His ways! He sees the hope, how great is not the work of the Lord, in Christ.

    God will bless you in the Holy Name of the Lord Jesus. 2 Chorintihans 12. 1-13.
  • God knows Everything - in Reply on Luke 1
    Omniscience is one of God's immutable attributes, which is to say, all knowledge of all things is an inherent part of His character and being. Nothing is outside of God's sphere of knowledge. The word "omniscient" is defined as having infinite awareness, understanding and insight; it is universal and complete knowledge.

    God's omniscience means that He can never learn anything new. Nothing can surprise Him or take Him unaware. He is never blind-sided! You will never hear God say, "I didn't see that coming!" or "Who would have thought?" A firm belief in God's omniscience gives the Christ-follower extraordinary peace, security, and comfort in every area of life.

    Amos 8:12

    And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

    Job 2:2

    And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    2 Chronicles 16:9

    For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.

    God has knowledge of everything occurring at any given time. We ask, well why did He allow this and that to happen?!

    He gifted us free will, to make decisions that glorify Him and not us. Glorify Jesus. Welcome the Holy Spirit to help us become more like Jesus.

    We have technology to tell us daily what is happening all over the earth: weather, wars, economy, disasters, Everything.

    As His children we ought to ask the Lord our questions and then leave it with Him. By reading the Bible, cover to cover, almost all of our questions will be answered. If you ask Him a question, be prepared to sit in silence before Him and, WAIT UPON THE LORD. Open up dialog with Him. Be willing to accept the no's with the yes's.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hey Tony,

    If I may, what people call demons are devils, unclean spirits, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, some spirits with no physical bodies, some angels that have bodies that cannot possess humans but can control. Evil spirits are on this earth that can influence and also possess humans.

    We see while Jesus was here the first time, He cast them out of many people, also he gave power for the disciples to do the same Matthew 10:1. We also see Paul doing the same, one in Acts 16:18. They are still on this earth, many do not believe they're real but believe me they are real.

    The bible is not clear how or why these beings are on the earth. There are writings outside of the bible that talk about these but how true are they. The sons of God you speak of are angels, not unembodied spirits. Job 1:6 Job 2:1 and Job 38:7. We know some angels left their first estate and sinned that are locked in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6.

    These angels are not the devils or spirits that are roaming this earth, they are locked in the bottomless pit. We see they have a king in Revelation 9 whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Strange is his name has the same meaning as the son of perdition, that means destruction/destroyer.

    Through scripture, it says angels can take on human form, they ate and drank and even wrestled with Jacob. We are even warned when entertaining strangers they may be an angel. The sons of God you speak of in Genesis are those angels who left their first estate and mated with human women that produced the giants (Nephilim and Rephaim or Rephaites) The name of these people means "terrible ones", they were before the flood and after Genesis 6:4 tells us they were then and after the flood and when the sons of God mated with women it produced giants.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Timothy
    to debbi, why cant you find time to read the bible?.. Job 23:12 "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food."

    u think everything else is more important..

    ;) xo
  • Tony on Genesis 6
    Who or what were the sons of God? Were they spirits or men?

    Consider this key related verse, Job 2:1 - there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. If they presented themselves to God, the sons of God had to be spirits. But they weren't good spirits. How do we know this? They were led by their leader, Satan, and were being called by God to account for themselves. Being evil, they were being banished from heaven and given the choice of remaining a spirit, like Satan, or assuming a natural body.

    We know that the soul (and spirit) are given to man at birth. I propose that when the evil spirits were banished, they commandeered the spirits of new-borns. This gave the evil spirits, which didn't have physical bodies and therefore couldn't have sex, the physical attributes needed to marry and have children as noted in Genesis 6:4.

    This would also explain Genesis 6:3 - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. "that he [the evil spirits] also is flesh." Implies that the evil spirits had become men. It would also explain the outburst of wickedness found later in Genesis 6. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. It was because (6.4) the children of the sons of God and daughters of men had become mighty men which ere of old, men of renown with natural bodies but evil spirits.

    May the Holy Ghost lead us in knowledge. Peace to you and yours.
  • Earl Bowman
    WHO Is SATAN

    Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT (Satan) was more subtil than any BEAST of the Field which the Lord God Had made...

    God made ALL THE BEAST of the field out of DUST, The BEAST are all made FLESH.

    1 Corinthians 15:39 Not all flesh is the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of man, another of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

    Which of these creations of FLESH is the MOST SUBTIL, Of course it's MAN.

    Job 26:13 By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His (Spirits) hand hath formed he crooked (liar and murderer, from the beginning) serpent (subtil beast).

    1 John 2:16 ..The lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life..

    Which of these creations of FLESH have the capabilities to have the pride of life, lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, of course it's MAN.

    James 2:19 thou (terrestrial FLESH) believest there is one one God, thou doest well, the devils (Satan, terrestrial FLESH) also BELIEVE, and tremble.

    Revelation 13 :8 Here is wisdom let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the BEAST (FLESH): for his number is the number of a MAN..

    Who is the ONLY beast of the field that is subtil, can lust, can BELIEVE and can buy and sell. Why of course, it's MAN, THE PRINCE(S) OF THIS WORLD.

    You BELIEVE, long before you are BORN AGAIN. Terrestrial FLESH, the carnal mind, has to BE DESTROYED (it's the process of light replacing darkness).

    1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (terrestrial flesh) to Satan (terrestrial flesh) for the DESTRUCTION of the Flesh, that the Spirit might be SAVED in the day of the Lord.

    Isaiah 9:20 ..they shall every man EAT THE FLESH OF HIS OWN RIGHT ARM.

    Zechariah 14:12 ..their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet..

    Revelation 19:18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and he flesh of captains, and the flesh of might men..

    Romans 13:11 ..now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    WORK OUT YOU OWN SALVATION

    PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    I take it to believe "yea", may not be him rejoicing but even that, has scripture backing Philippians 4:4-9, James 1:2-4, 1 John 4:18,

    even if we walk in/near death we should not fear because GOD promises to be with us (that trust in HIM) Deuteronomy 31:8, Hebrews 13:5-6, John 14:16-21, Psalm 139:1-24, Psalms 37:40,

    The rod; Proverbs 13:24, Job 21:9, Proverbs 29:15, Lamentations 3:1, many times references discipline, correction: Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:14, Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:4-8-11, Staff: Hebrews 11:21, Zechariah 8:4, Exodus 21:19, Numbers 22:27, 2 Samuel 3:29, Judges 6:21

    Hopefully these scriptures help you with the HOLY Spirit to understand deeper. John 14:26, James 1:5
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Hi David,

    If I may, I have heard other people say what you are saying and they feel there was a gap between Gen. 1:1 and Gen.1:2, if I understand correctly what you are saying, forgive me if I am wrong. If we use Revelation 12 for this event we have to say Satan does not have access to heaven to accuse us day and night. We see in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 Satan has access to heaven and God, also he is the great accuser he accuses us before God day and night.

    In Revelation 12:8 when he is cast down to earth there will be no place found any more in heaven. This will be permanent, they are rejoicing in heaven and we are warned of how bad this will be on earth, Revelation 12:12. In the Greek text, at the end of Revelation 12, Satan is the one standing on the sand when the beast in Revelation 13 rises out of the sea (bottomless pit)

    I also believe people were before Adam and Eve, but another understanding. I believe the six days of creation were exactly the way it is written. Six 24 hour days and God said it was good at the end of each day, without any gaps, no evolution, and then the seventh day God rested from his work and blessed the seventh day.

    I hope you take this in love, for you to look and study not as a debate.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 4
    Hope,

    In Luke 4:4, the devil was appealing to Jesus' condition. He knew that Jesus was physically hungry from the 40 day fast and in verse 3 he was appealing to Jesus to make the stones turn to bread so that Jesus could satisfy His physical desire. Jesus says that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Wow! Yes, but you are hungry, physically hungry. But what an answer that Jesus gives.

    I can look back and remember many times when I was either late or didn't show up someplace because I hadn't eaten yet. What is another hour? What is another two hours? But it is interesting that Jesus said no, you don't misuse the authority of God to fulfil the desires of the flesh, even though the desires of the flesh are going through its natural process. No food!

    In Job 23:12, one of my favorite verses, Job says "Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips; I have esteemed the words of His mouth more than my necessary food."

    Wow! God's word means more to me than my necessary food. Notice that he didn't say abundant food? He said it is my necessary food. God's word means more to me. Those words that come out of His mouth, I am more hungry for that than I am for physical food. So Satan challenges, and Jesus gives the citation.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 27
    I am sorry for your family hardship.

    Is death predestined? This is hard to prove with Bible verses, but my personal belief is sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. This is a fallen world and we are all immortal and are cursed to die, thanks to Adam and Eve disobeying God and committing the original sin. Satan may also have power to afflict us physically. Job 2:7.

    So, we will all die, but we don't know the timing. We tend to get really upset and blame God for His timing being different than our arbitrary expectations. A beautiful child can even be in paradise, but we will sometimes be furious against God for having him there instead of in an environment on earth full of temptation and evil.

    God's priorities are not our priorities on earth. He never promised we'd have a long life and be healthy and wealthy. We might hear man say that on TV, but that doesn't mean it's true. We also get frustrated we don't know why and keep asking why, why, why repeatedly through life in every hardship we have. Even Jesus as a human cried out 'why' to His Father: Matt 27:46. Even Jesus as a temporary man on earth wasn't allowed all the answers, and He went through extreme hardship. And He took it like a man. Didn't complain, but asked why. He kept His love, turned the other cheek, and had great compassion on others. If Jesus Himself wasn't given the answers, why should we expect to? It even suggests this in the Bible that we won't be given all knowledge here. 1 Corinthians 2:7, Job 11:7, Colossians 2:1-3

    I believe life here on earth is a test. God is testing our character and who we will follow. Often we fail badly. We have a sinful nature we must fight against. Some of the most rock solid Christians have admitted their constant struggles with it too, like Paul in the Bible. 2 Corinthians 12:9, James 1:2

    So, why bother praying? God/Jesus is the only hope we have. We aren't puppets playing a script, but have freewill. God sometimes answers prayer and can change His mind.
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Jeremiah 25:33

    Daniel 9:24-27

    Daniel 12

    Job 26:10

    Matthew 10:20-23

    Matthew 24:11-14

    1 Corinthians 1:8-9

    Revelation 2:25-27

    1 Peter 4:7

    1 Peter 1 whole chapter relevant

    Ephesians 3:19-21

    Hebrews 3:12-15

    Luke 21:8-10

    There are many more, I hope these help
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Job 2:9

    Job 19:17

    Job 19:19

    Job 42:14

    There are only hints, I find. It appears she left/ abandoned him. Yet there is this one scripture:

    Job 42:11

    Hopefully this is helpful while you are searching for answers.
  • Ilya - in Reply on Joshua 1:9
    Genesis 1:16 Just refering to God making lights in the firmament of heaven, not a word about space

    1 Cor 15:14 Nothing to do with space

    Genesis 2:4 Not related at all

    Psalms 115:16

    16The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

    "the lack of breathable atmosphere, radiation, medical complications?"

    What? Scripture is not for private interpretation.

    None of the rest of the verses have at all any implication of space, please point me the exact words or phrase, where the existence of space is even remotely implied. I will point you to exact words where space is outright denied, in a second.

    But some of the verses you provided actually hint at the solid nature of heavens.

    Isaiah 40:

    "Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?"

    First of all, not a word about other planets, second "meted out heaven with the span". It's impossible to measure something with a span that is not solid.

    Job 22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!

    Space has no height, it stretches in all directions, solid heavens have height.

    Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble

    How something not solid can tremble?

    Now I assure you, there's plenty of scripture that directly states, that the earth is flat, unmovable, and there's no space or other planets, but I would like you to debunk first this one please:

    Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    Where are the waters above?
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Joshua 1:9
    Genius 1:16

    Amos 5:8

    1 Corinthians 15:14

    Genius 2:4

    Psalms 115:16 (space) the lack of breathable atmosphere, radiation, medical complications?

    Psalms 147:4

    Psalms 136:9

    Revelation 6:13

    Job 25:5

    Job 9:7

    Job 22:12

    Psalms 8:3

    Joel 2:10 Eclipse? Ezekiel 32:7 , Isaiah 50:3

    Isaiah 13:10

    Isaiah 40::22

    Hopefully these scripture verses help you better research the Bible & what more it says about Earth, and space. There are more.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Donna Smith,

    There are several opinions on this, we know Satan was the first to rebel, the first to sin, a murderer, and is the father of lies ( John 8:44). We see in Isaiah 14 God said, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, many take vs. 12 O Lucifer son of the morning as being Satan describing his casting out.

    The word Lucifer, the morning star is another word for the planet Venus, Latin roots lux (light) and ferre (to carry) it is its brightest right before sunrise. It is also called a day star because it can be seen in the daytime.

    We see in ( Ezekiel 28:12-19) Is a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, where the description of Satan is taken. In ( Job 1) and ( Job 2) " the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord" (angels) Satan showed up. So at this time Satan still had access to heaven. In ( Luke 10:18) Jesus said "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Whether past or future? Whether it was his ranking or permanent?

    Now in ( Revelation 12:7-17) and Revelation 13:1-2), the war in heaven where the red dragon and his angels are cast out into the earth. In verse 8 there is no more place for them in heaven. In verse 12 they are rejoicing in heaven and the warning, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" because Satan knows he only has a short time.

    My understanding, Revelation 12 starts the great tribulation when Satan is permanently cast down with no more access to heaven and gives his power seat and great authority to the beast. Revelation 12, if you look at the Greek it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea when the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. ( Revelation 9:11) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8).

    May this help your study, you can use, bible simple search KJV, just type in to edge, google, yahoo or whatever search you use, also this site. Type in devil, Satan, and it will pull all scripture that contains these words you can study.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman
    Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Why do you BELIEVE FIRE is literal of physical fire. Why is the worm that never DIES a literal or physical worm.

    Christ SAID my words are SPIRIT, therefore the fire is spirit, the worm is spirit.

    Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE), which is A WORM?

    Hebrews 12:29 For OUR GOD (SPIRIT, TRUTH, LIFE) is a consuming FIRE.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .... CHRIST IN YOU....the fire (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS and PURIFIES is never quenched but IMMORTAL. The worm (spirit of Christ) that DESTROYS flesh and never DIES but is IMMORTAL.

    We are the vessel (POT) the fire and the worm are the potter (CREATOR).

    Psalms 104:30 Thou (the Father) sendest (SENT the Son) thy Spirit (of Christ), they (the vessels) are CREATED (by the WORKS of SPIRIT) (the fire and the worm): thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.
  • Dianne - in Reply
    Shirley Job was a great man who believed God and like us got hit with fear Job 3:25 He lost everything he had, but in everything that Happened to Him he never blamed God. In Job 29 there is figurative language he is remembering the days when Gods light candle was upon Him and Gods presents was always with him verses of His abundance and prestige among the younger and older people also the respect he had no matter where he went and what he did Gods presents was with him. In Job 30 he back discussing his present condition which was horrible, but in the end God gave Job twice as much as he had before. I agree with you there are phrases written that have a lot to do with eastern thought. Prayerfully this helps.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Job 29
    Shirley, Job 29:1 ....continued his parable.....this chapter and some preceding and some following this chapter are prophesies about Christ, much like Psalms 22. Study it in this light and it will make more sense to you. The pronoun I, is Christ speaking, not Job. Remember it's a parable.
  • Shirley M Watson on Job 29
    The answer to the question in not Job 29:8 I talks about the young men saw me and hid their themselves. The aged men arose, and stood up.

    How does this verse relate to Job's wealth? I don't get this as the answer>

    Thank you
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Teresa johnson,

    We see in Job the sons of God are angels ( Job 1"6) ( Job 2:1) and ( Job 38:7). There are demons on the earth that I hope you never have to contend with because these are vicious beings. How or why they are here is not in scripture, there are writings outside of the Bible but whether they are true is in question. But what does scripture tell us?

    We see in Scripture angels appearing in the form of man, able to eat, drink, and have physical contact with humans. ( Genesis 18:2-8) ( Genesis 32:24-30). We are also told to be careful entertaining strangers because they could be an angel, ( Hebrews 13:2). The angels that left their first estate were treated differently, they were locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit) until judgment, they are not roaming this earth.

    Angels have no need to reproduce in their present estate like humans. If angels by choosing to leave their first estate can procreate, that is what we see in ( Genesis 6:1-4), and is probably the reason those angels were locked up in darkness because they corrupted God's creation of mankind, that God destroyed with the flood.

    Angels and demons are roaming the earth. We see in Daniel 10 good angels and bad angels battle each other here on earth, same as we battle these beings, these may be part of the third that will be cast down with Satan. We see they rejoice in heaven when this happens and say woe unto those on earth.

    We know by Job Satan has access to heaven because he went with the sons of God when they presented themselves to God, ( Job 1:6-12). Some take Revelation 12 as in the past, but if we look at what is said. Satan is the accuser and accuses us daily. If you read Revelation 12 you will see in vs. 8, Satan has no more place in heaven. In vs. 11 they overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives until death, this is in the future, not the past.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother S Spencer, may CHRIST IN US, grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    Job 26:13 By His SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, His hand hath FORMED the crooked serpent.

    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God FORMED man of the dust of the ground....

    Both the crooked serpent and man were FORMED, not created. You are not created in God's image until you are BORN AGAIN by SPIRIT. Before that you are in Satan's image (dust, flesh).

    Psalms 104:39 Thou sendest forth thy spirit and they are created: and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.

    You said: He is described AS IF (future tense)

    I BELIEVE you are right.

    I BELIEVE this is a PROPHESY of what we have been CREATED for; but until we depart this flesh iniquity is still found in us.

    Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother S Spencer, in your studies, would you please, find the Hebrew word that has been translated to the word Lucifer and see how it is defined in other scriptures. Man's belief that Lucifer was perfect contradicts other scriptures. If this is the only place that word is translated Lucifer? If it has another meaning, then maybe Lucifer was not perfect.

    Job 26:13 By his SPIRIT he hath garnished the heavens, his hand hath FORMED (MADE) the crooked serpent.

    Isaiah 27:1 In that day (TODAY) the LORD with sore and great and strong sword (THE WORD) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and shall SLAY (kill by the word of God) the dragon that is in the sea (the sea represents us, Revelation 17:15). (We die daily by the word of God).

    1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (flesh); for the devil (flesh) committeth sin from the BEGINNING (not perfect and fell). For this purpose the Son of God was manifest, that he (SPIRIT) might destroy the works of the devil (FLESH).

    From the (BEGINNING); Adam and all of us were FORMED (MADE) FLESH out of dust.

    1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect (mature): yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the PRINCES OF THIS WORLD, that come to nought:

    Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world (flesh), according to the PRINCE of the Power of the Air (flesh), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (flesh).

    Mark 8:33 ....he rebuked Peter, saying, get thee behind me, Satan....

    Peter was (flesh) not yet BORN AGAIN of the SPIRIT.

    Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil (flesh).

    Jesus was already BORN OF SPIRIT so the devil (flesh) had no power over him.

    1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that which was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (flesh); and afterwards that which is spiritual.

    Food for thought; the Spirit reveals.
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    Gen.1:2-This Scriptures were revealed to Moses around 2.500 years after Adam, beteween 2nd and 3rd Day.

    Genesis 1:v.2 And the earth was without form,...

    See, GOD was not speaking of the geometric form of the Planet Earth to Moses, which He "hangeth upon nothing"- Job 26:v.7-, no, absolutely, it because the geometric form of the Planet Earth around 6.000 years ago was the same it is today, of course. NOTE: To say the Planet Earth was without geometric form based in Genesis 1:v. 2 is ridiculous.

    By the way, GOD had planted a wonderful Garden in Eden were a multitude was ruled by a powerful Cherub- Ezekiel 28:v.13-15 and Isaiah 14:v.12-12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!...

    After the rebellion, the inhabitants of Eden, ruler by the fallen Cherub, were transformed into dust, dust of the earth, except the spirit, evidently ( Jude 1:v.6), and the earth did get consequently formless and empty, spiritually, everything was without form but not physically.

    Please, re-study your LITERAL conceptions, many of them ridiculous, and cause a lot of mochery. The letter kills.

    To the only Wise GOD our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.





    and void;

    and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

    And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

    And the evening and the morning were the first day.


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