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  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ron,

    Many have different views on this and some defend them fiercely and interpret scripture to fit those views. This is not a salvation question so here are some things you may study for your own conscience; we all will face the death of this fleshly body and how you decide to face it is up to you. ( Psalm 6:5) ( Job 14:12-14) ( Job 17:13-16) ( Psalm 89:48) ( Psalm 115:17) ( Ecclesiastes 9:5-10)



    There is a verse in ( 1 Timothy 4:7) to keep in mind, the actual Greek word used by Paul in this verse was "mythous", from which the English words myth and mythology come. In the actual Greek text of this verse, Paul further characterizes these fables as profane "bebelous". The King James Version of the Bible renders as "profane and old wives' tales".

    Does scripture without man's interpretation back up a belief? ( Luke 16:19-31) is taught that we go to heaven or hell when we die. Questions to ask; What is the context of this chapter? Is this a parable or a reality? Is it backed up by other scripture or does it line up with Greek mythology?

    What is our spirit? ( Psalm 104:29) ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) ( James 2:26). Spirit meaning wind, breath, spirit. When are we absent from our bodies? If we go to heaven when we die what is the meaning of ( 1 Corinthians 15:52-58)?

    My personal understanding what scripture says is our spirit is our breath, and when we die it goes back to God who gave it, and our communication through the Holy Spirit stops until the resurrection,(sleep in Christ). And we being saved in Christ with the down payment/seal given by the Holy Spirit will be raised incorruptible in our new body and then we are absent from this fleshly body. But it is what you decide.

    God bless.

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - 2 years ago
    PROPHESY OF CHRIST

    Job 14:1 Man (Christ) that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.

    Job 14:2 He (Christ) cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he (Christ) fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.

    Job 14:3 An doest thou (Father) open thy eyes on such a one (Christ), and bringest me (Christ) into judgement with thee (the Father)?

    Job 14:4 Who (Father) can bring a clean thing out of a unclean one? not one.

    Job 14:5 Seeing his (Christ) days are determined, the number of his (Christ) months are with thee (the Father), thou (Father) hast appointed his (Christ) bounds that he (Christ) cannot pass;

    Job 14:6 (Father) turn from him (Christ), that he (Christ) may rest (in the grave), till he (Christ) shall accomplish, as a hireling, his (Christ) day.

    Job 14:7 For there is hope of a tree (of LIFE), if it be cut down, that it may sprout again, and that the tender branch (mankind) thereof will not cease.

    Job 14:8 Though the root (of the tree of LIFE) wax old in the earth, and the stock (of the tree of LIFE) thereof die in the ground;

    Job 14:9 Yet through the scent of water (Spirit of the Father) it (the tree of LIFE) will bud, and bring forth boughs (mankind) like a plant.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sissy,

    This is something you must decide, there are different views. Study the words soul and spirit, and breath, how they are used through the Bible. One thing, there is no time or knowledge in death ( Psalm 6:5) so whatever you decide, it's like when we go to sleep the next thing we know, we wake up.

    When the gospel of Christ was given to the Gentiles, the countries around, even the Jews were influenced by Hellenistic Greek Philosophy, beliefs like what happens when we die, mythical stories of death, paradise, hades, and the underworlds crossed over.

    The word "soul" means "life," either physical or eternal. Hebrew word nephesh meaning a soul, ( Genesis 2:7) living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The Greek word psuche meaning the soul, life, self, a person's distinct identity. If you study them, it is also used for all living beings' fish, animals, birds, and man. The soul is a living being but it is also our identity, we are all different in looks and personality, all our feelings, our thoughts, emotions, all that makes us, us.

    The word spirit, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruach meaning breath, wind, spirit, or the Greek word pneuma also meaning wind, breath, spirit, when writing about the spirit.

    What I have been shown in my studies, spirit is our breath, also what we communicate and worship God through the Holy Spirit. When we die our breath goes back to God ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) and our communication stops. ( Psalm 115:17) ( Psalms 146:4) ( Job 14:12-14)

    We are asleep, body and soul until we are resurrected, that's when this mortal puts on immortality. ( 1 Corinthians 15:42, 51-56).

    Sleep is used many times in the Bible for death and it is a very good example, may this give you another view and something you can study.

    May we be led by the Spirit of truth.

    RLW
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Cheryl,

    The Bible says we will all first be judged. Not just non-Christians, not just "sinners."

    Ecclesiastes 12:14

    2 Corinthians 5:10

    Matthew 12:36

    We also know that some will be confident and assume they'll go to heaven, but won't get in.

    Matthew 7:21

    To me that means that no one is going to either of those places until after judgment day:

    Revelation 20:11-15

    Hebrews 9:27

    1 Corinthians 4:5

    And finally, if people don't go to heaven or hell when they die, where else do they go? Here's what the Bible says:

    Job 14:12

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    I believe just as 8 hours can pass in the snap of a finger will it seem like a snap of the finger for those "sleeping" will awake and rise to meet Jesus in the air then face judgment. This took time to put together and paste all these verses here for you, so I hope you likewise take a moment to hover over them and read them. I care.
  • Earl Bowman on John 11 - 2 years ago
    I AM the resurrection

    John 11:25 Jesus said unto her I AM THE RESURRECTION, and THE LIFE......

    Isaiah 26:19

    1 Timothy 6:16

    Job 14:7-9 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and the tender branch thereof will not cease.

    (vs 8) Thought the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;

    (vs 9) Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    It's a common misconception to say 'absent with the body is present with the Lord'. This idea originated from 2 Corinthians 5:8, but if you read the verse you will see it doesn't say if anyone is absent from their body that they are automatically with the Lord 100% of the time. Paul said he would "rather" be present with the Lord, or he would prefer that. Many Christians today would prefer that also. But just because you prefer something doesn't mean it will 100% guaranteed happen for 100% of all people 100% of the time, or even that it would sometimes happen. No, Paul only said he would "rather" for that to occur. Since the Bible says what it says and not what people commonly misquote, I do not interpret this as evidence to the theory that people automatically go to heaven after death. If there were other verses saying this, that would be fine, but I am not aware of any. Only taking a few verses and making an assumption about it, such as Jesus saying today he would be in paradise. Notice he did not say heaven, but paradise. They may not be the same thing.

    If we are going to discuss this fairly we must consider what the rest of the Bible says on this topic.

    Matthew 12:36 - People will be judged at some point on the same day. Is it likely that they are judged AFTER they go to heaven or BEFORE?

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - People are judged first THEN they receive what is due.

    Revelation 20:11-15 - People are all judged on the same day. Lots of people seen in the same place.

    Because the Bible says this, it can't mean that people are judged immediately when they die- because not everyone is dead yet, and it can't mean that people go immediately to heaven if they aren't judged yet.

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says the dead will rise and those living will meet the Lord in the air.

    Would it make sense for someone to go heaven, then back to earth to rise up, then back again to heaven?

    It says people will 'sleep' in-between: Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:14
  • Ariah Rivera on Job 14:2 - 3 years ago
    What does Job 14:2 mean kjv version?
  • Naya - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, finishing where the dead goes and how Paul nor John nor any man who has ever lived could be in heaven presently.

    Job 14:1-2;10-13 Man dies and wastes away. Man dies and will not wake up until the heavens are no more. (We still have heavens so the dead are still dead)

    In Job 14:14 Job knew he had to wait until his appointed time to be resurrected.

    I Thessalonians 4:13-17 Those who are living will be changed...those in the grave will be raised at the coming of the Lord, which is the First Resurrection.

    Psalms 146:1-4 When we die, in that very day every though perishes. So how could Paul, who died, still be alive in heaven with thoughts?

    St. John 5:25; 28-29 All the dead will hear the voice of the Lord, some to everlasting life and some to eternal damnation.

    Daniel 12:1-2; 8-9; 13 This is referring to the Great Tribulation. Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel was told this prophecy wasn't for him but it was for the people of the End times. The Lord sealed the words from Daniel.

    St. John 6:35; 38-40; 44; 54;63 The Lord will raise people up on the Last Day.

    A lot of people still believe the dead is in heaven or hell right now, but the truth according to many scriptures is every man, good or bad is still in the grave until the Lord's First and Second resurrection. If humans were in heaven right now, what need would there be for a resurrection? The only one who's not dead is Enoch...who was translated but not dead.

    I'm certain you know these scriptures. But I hope that you will go over them again and maybe see something you hadn't noticed before since I've pointed out some things.

    Paul died in Christ so he will be one of the dead in Christ who will be raised at the Lord's 2nd coming.

    How do I know for sure a man from Rome will sit in the temple? (I'll finish in the the last thread.)
  • Phillis Anderson on John 14 - 3 years ago
    I need a short summary of Job 14 for discussion on tomorrow morning. thanks
  • Adam - In Reply - 4 years ago
    That's a great question. While I don't believe it's explicitly stated in the Bible, my personal belief is that our souls/spirit will be in sleep. Do you know how when you sleep it seems instant when you wake up next? I believe the same is happening to those whose physical bodies have died and they are awaiting Christ's return and judgment. Luke 8:52, Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
  • Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Acts 4 - 9 years ago
    Hello Dv soka Job 14 1 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble . Trouble comes to all, but the comfort in knowing that Jesus is there willing and able to help us is a thought that I hold onto. Psalms 121 1 and 2 A Song of degrees. I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth . Jesus told us Luke 12 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you . As long as we keep God first and do as he tells us he will always make a way out of no way.
  • Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Matthew 24 - 9 years ago
    The rapture is very real, 1 Thessalonians 4 12 thru 18. Those who have taken on the name of Jesus Christ by following Acts 2 38 and continuing living a saved life they will experience the rapture. This is the hope of finding true peace. The scripture states that in Job 14 1 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble. Test and trials will come into a person life how we are able to endure is through the power of Jesus Christ. Those who have taken on this name through the shedding of his blood by following Acts 2 38 will find true peace after the rapture has taken place. Right now we have a since of peace knowing that if we continue living a saved life after following Acts 2 38 then we will make the rapture. It does not matter if we die in Jesus Christ or alive and remain in Jesus Christ we will go up when he comes back.
  • Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Hebrews 13 - 9 years ago
    Part 1 of 2 Hello Sky Job 14 1 Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble. I believe that there are three forms in which testing come to a person. One form is through Satan the enemy of both God and man. See his job is to seek and devour. He will use any means necessary. 1 Peter 5 8 Be sober, be vigilant because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour . Now does this mean that Satan is the total enemy of man? No, and this brings me to the second form in which testing come to a person. This form is people. People always want to blame Satan for bad behavior, but sometimes it is just people wicked thoughts and their carnal minds that cause trouble for themselves as well as for others. We have a choice whether to do good or evil this is still in man s nature. Sometimes people, without the help of Satan, choose to do evil. This is why the scripture states you will reap what you have sown. This is why the scripture states that a carnal mind is an enmity to God, Romans 8 7 and 1 Corinthians 3 3. The word enmity means the state of feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something .
  • Joseph on Ecclesiastes 1 - 10 years ago
    @ James that verse is Job 14:1. In future just search the phrase of your desired verse on this website. God bless u!
  • Olaniran Moses on Job 14:7 - 10 years ago
    By that statement in Job 14:7,it showed how high the level of Job's faith in God.
  • DAVE on Genesis 2 - 10 years ago
    Christopher,verse 7 tells us that god formed a body from the matter of the earth,breathed life into that body (by means of holy spirit),and the result was life-"he became a living soul".Regarding the end check out Ps 146:3,4,Eccl 9:5,6,10. Is God happy about that and going to leave it that way? take a look at Job 14:13-15
  • Minister trotter on Job 14 - 11 years ago
    If we want to enjoy this life on earth, and then eternal life, we must be born again. That is precisely what Job 14 is explaining. Being Born again means spiritually crucifying, denying the flesh, the worldly sins, and also humbling one�s self.
  • Ruth on Job 14 - 11 years ago
    job 14 vs 7-10.there is hope even in the toughest situations. like a tree is cut down and dies but all of a sudden it brings forth very tender cute branch so God has changed your/my/our hopeless situations... Amen
  • Shoshanahim on Ecclesiastes 1 - 13 years ago
    It was known to the writer of Ecclesiastes how this world had ended in the first timeline. In Ecclesiastes Chapter 12, it illustrates the time of trouble when the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled by the violent ejection of dust and thick smoke from a huge caldera (see Ecclesiastes 12:2 and Revelation 6:12; 9:2). A great star (comet of Revelation 8:10; 9:1) is likened to an eagle (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 46:11). When the ravenous bird (comet) enters Earth�s atmosphere, it causes a great sound of thunder. Its voice cries out like a thundering trumpet (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 27:13; Zechariah 9:14; Revelation
    11:15). The voice heralds the time of the latter-day literal and figurative resurrection for the latter-day righteous who believed this new doctrine (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 6:2; Revelation 11:11-13).

    Isaiah was also told how our world will end. In Isaiah 13:6, it states that the day of the Lord (who personifies a comet) is at hand. At that time, the light of the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled when dust and smoke explode from a huge volcano�s crater (see Isaiah 13:10). These prophecies were written over two thousand years ago. God�s written word is able to declare what is going to take place in the last generation because God (personifying each scroll that records and plays over each generation) has seen the end already take place in the first timeline (see Isaiah 46:10). The same catastrophic event of a great star�s (personified as the return of God) impact � which causes an immense volcano to explode and release dust, smoke, hot ash, and then lava � is written in the writings of the prophets. However, the written prophecies in the Old Testament, which are to be fulfilled in our day, are written as if they could have happened during events that took place in each prophet�s generation.

    With this in mind when reading the Old Testament prophecies, take into consideration that the past types are mixed-in with future, yet to be fulfilled, prophecies (see Job 14:12, 13; Psalm 18:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:2-5; Isaiah 24:17-23; Jeremiah 4:23-28; Ezekiel 32:7, 8; Joel 2:1, 30-32; Amos 5:16-18; Micah 3:6; Nahum 1:3-6; Habakkuk 3:3-16; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Haggai 2:6; Zechariah 14:3, 4, 12; Malachi 4:1; Revelation 19:11, 20).


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