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  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    The Millennium: Conceiving of mortal man coexisting with resurrected saints.

    According to Isaiah 65:20 the man who dies at 100 will be considered a youth and before 100 cursed. This shows the reason for death during the Millennium; it would seem that the lifespan will reach 1000 emulating those who lived well into their 900s according to several accounts in Genesis in the Antidiluvian world. Proof of the Millennium is also found in verses such as Zechariah 14:17 for those who would argue that once the Lord returns that is it and we go immediately into eternity; where death clearly doesn't exist anymore ( 1 Cor. 15:55-57 coming from a passage in Hosea in the O.T.)

    The idea of the necessity of a temple at that time makes sense; therefore for several reasons. There would need to be a ceremonial cleansing to be in the presence of Christ and probably us in glorified bodies; not for sin but because of our still corrupted and inferior bodies for those who survive the Tribulation and come to worship there. There are subtle differences as to frequency of sacrifices and a few other details in the temple mentioned in the last few chapters of Ezekiel from the O.T. standards. The external ceremony honoring the Lord; and it fulfilling its role as a place for prayer for all nations ( Isaiah 56:7; quoted by Christ when cleansing the Temple in the N.T.) will bring together these individuals with us; the glorified saints who are given authority to rule and reign with Christ ( 2 Timothy 2:12; etal).

    The Gospel; as I have stated rather often at this forum will never be the same by the sixth seal in Revelation forward. There will be no need to preach about who Christ is; or what we are supposed to do although it will be a wonderful truth to share with the natural born children at that time. The warnings about testing ourselves to see if we are in the faith; however certainly will be vital ( 2 Cor. 13:5). Many will believe but sadly ( Rev. 20:8) will rebel and be lost.
  • Richard H Priday - 9 months ago
    Since I have some time to spare; and this probably won't be a high response posting; I'll make a few observations.

    Noah was 600; and one could argue it is a typology of the 6000 years of the earth's existence before the Tribulation; followed by the 1000 years of the Millennium by 2 Peter 3:8.

    In the time before the flood known as "Antidiluvian"; clearly men lived longer than afterwards. Thus; Adam and many of his progeny lived for 900 plus years; interestingly no one made it quite to 1000; which may be reserved to those who survive in the Millennium due to long life spans once again at that time with a paradise type of earth; albeit still with fallen men (see Isaiah 65:20). There was therefore the likelihood that many were only 2 or 3 generations from Adam by the time the flood came along; so that secondhand accounts of God's story of creation would leave wicked men without excuse. Enoch lived interestingly enough 365 years then was taken; perhaps somehow indicating a day symbolizing a year (although the old calendar was 360 days old); God also told Noah that He would only contend with men 120 years in Genesis 6:3 which could indicate their future lifespan limit; or the time left before the flood from that point.

    In any case; God is longsuffering not wishing anyone to perish. ( 2 PEter 3:9). It is interesting that this verse is right after the one above that I quoted; and certainly explains why He waited so long to judge. Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" ( 2 Peter 2:5) but the narrative shows that only 8 were saved in the boat; and they were his immediate family. Sodom's destruction also followed a similar vein; in that case only Lot; his 2 daughters and wife came out of the city; and his wife turned back and was destroyed. In the flood; Nephilim would have contaminated man's bloodline as I see it from Genesis 6:9 that explains why no one else COULD be saved. His patience is seen with Sodom as well ( Gen. 18:32).
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Part 2

    The earth will have the fullness of harvest and life during the Millennium. The vast transfer of wealth to the Temple of God and administering ruling over cities and areas of the world may correspond with places we lived in our earlier life on earth; or made appropriate for the level of service or lack thereof which we lived using our gifts and resources for the Lord at that time.

    At the end of the Millennium there is the last final rebellion where the number is as the "sand of the sea" ( Revelation 20:8). Largely; that would be a campaign warning both the deception of those descendants of those who survived Armageddon have because of wicked hearts ( Jeremiah 17:9) as well as Satan being a reality since he wouldn't be seen for the 1000 years. I am a firm believer in predestination as other verses make clear; so that as now we will just be a faithful witness so that His warnings will be recieved by those who are appointed to eternal life and rejected by those not in the Lamb's Book of Life. Again; it is obvious that the Gospel as stated now will not be necessary to prove somehow that Christ is Lord. Isaiah 65:20 indicates those who die at 100 are considered accursed; and we know that during the Millennium God will swiftly deal with rebellion. Those who do wish to go against the Lord will be waiting; perhaps for many hundreds of years for the final rebellion against God; somehow thinking that Satan himself can succeed even though he failed before. No doubt Satan will have some insane explanation of where he was the 1000 years; somehow convincing everyone that he has overcome being bound by his own effort and amassed enough strength to defeat God and His people. Perhaps having God's people close by on earth rather than heaven will convince everyone that he can defeat them suddenly. We know of course how that will end.

    As for now; Ephesians 6 shows how we fight spiritual warfare ( 1 Peter 5:9). Evangelism and prayer are our current mission.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi Jema,

    I may be different, but in my understanding of the Bible, I approach scripture simply and do not try to complicate things with preconceived ideas and let the Bible and the Holy Spirit do the interpretation. To me, a symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning.

    A symbol represents something real, a real person, a real thing, or a historical event. When I read, I understand words in a literal sense first, then in a figurative or spiritual sense if the literal doesn't make sense.

    Are the Christians now the Israel of God? Have the promises to Israel and the church merged into one common heritage? If so that brings up.

    Will the promise of the land given to Abraham's seed, Isaac then Jacob be fulfilled? Isaiah 11:11-12 Ezekiel 37:21-25 Jeremiah 24:5-6 Ezekiel 34:11-12 Ezekiel 36:24-26 Hosea 3:4-5 Micah 4:6-7 Zechariah 13:8-9

    Will Jesus the Messiah return and reign on the earth, with a rod of iron? Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 11:1-4 Daniel 2:44 Daniel 7:14 Zechariah 14:1-4 Jeremiah 3:17 Revelation 2:26-27 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 12:5 Revelation 19:11-21.

    Will there be a literal millennium during which Satan will not deceive the nations and Christ will reign on earth? Revelation 20:1-6 2 Timothy 2:11-12 Isaiah 2:2-4 Isaiah 11:5-16 Isaiah 65:19-25 Isaiah 51:4-5 Zechariah 14:16-21 Micah 4:1-4 Psalms 46:7-11 Matthew 19:28.

    To me there are too many scriptures that are showing God has not replaced Israel with the Church. We see in Romans 11:24-27 a day when God will again turn to Israel, the day Jesus returns. Forgive me if some of the scriptures do not fit.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 12 months ago
    Psalm 91 Verse 11 of this Psalm was quoted in Matthew 4:6; which is indicative of the promises which the Son of God no doubt had being part of the eternal Godhead with the angels He created for eternal worship in heavenly places.

    Looking at the preceding verses; we see promises for those who are God's children to be hidden (compare with Colossians 3:3); and we shouldn't ignore the following statement in verse 2 about those who TRUST God. We also see promises which apply in general to God's covenant people such as Deuteronomy 7:15; and fulfilled by Christ in verses such as Isaiah 53:5. Ultimately; however these promises will be fulfilled in the Millennial Kingdom as may be indicated in verse 7; and in the Tribulation for those dweiling in heaven as indicated from verse 9.

    Luke 10:19 shows how Christ fulfills certain promises in freedom from Satan's grip which is similar to what it states in Psalm 91:13.

    The remainder of the Psalm could indicate Christ's reward as well as our own during the Millennial period as well. There will also be natural life expectancies (see Isaiah 65:22) that are vastly extended at that time.

    As we look at things today; of course we still live with all of creation groaning as it were; such as indicated in Romans 8:22. Satan himself will get his due reward; ending once and for all his usurper role as a pseudo ruler; who ultimately fulfills God's prophetic plan; as it did when he entered Judas Iscariot so that all things could be fulfilled and Christ would die for our atonement ( Heb. 9:28; also read Isaiah 53 in its entirety). We are all in perishable bodies for a brief time; but we certainly can find ways to shorten our lives due to sin adding to our miseries. For now; pestilences and other things can be held back or mitigated; but that will not be helpful during the Tribulation. At that time the 144,000 will be supernaturally protected before God brings judgments upon the earth. May we live soberly in the fear of God
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    WALKEC29...Good question,..But Jesus said these things are hid from the wise and Prudent but revealed unto babes...Which is that New Creature...the H.G...The Child of Promise...Thats y Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit...Which is our new heart and new Spirit...our New Innerman from Jesus good seed sown in in our hearts...Gal.6:15..Neither Circumcision nor Uncircumcision Availeth anything in Christ Jesus but a NEW CREATURE..Which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...But these things are hid from the wise and Prudent...But revealed unto BABES and Sucklings ..Its above mans brilliant carnal minds simply b/c its in the Spiritual realm...In the living word above the written word...The killer, but the living words is a living being.. Christ in us.Brilliant / Prudent or not...Faith does not look for prudence of even brillience...The only Qualification is hearing his words his good seed that formed Christ in us sinners...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you...No matter how prudent we are...There is a Child in our future ....She brought forth aman Child that is gona rule all nations..Which is the H.G. The Child of Promise...It don't matter about our I.Q. or our Prudence...Its a whosoever will Gospel...I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me Isaiah 65:1...Which is the new covenant I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest... Isaiah 31:34 ..Mans Carnal minds is the very enemy of God....The only thing that pleases God is that NEW Creature that is born in us via faith...Even back in the O.T. Sarah's faith resulted in a Child called Isaac...But now under this New Covenant the Child is the H.G. that Child of Promise...The Kingdom..

    Whosoever receiveth one such Child in MY NAME receiveth ME...When they argued which of them was the greatest Jesus set a Child in their midst...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...K
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 67 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 67. THIRD attempt to post after I wiped out AGAIN like last tiime.. ugh

    I lost Psalm 66 but this Psalm once again has a Millennium type of fulfillment as indicated in verse 4. Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Christ as "wonderful; counselor; mighty God; everlasting father; Prince of Peace" with surrounding verses describing how He rules with fairness and settles disputes impartially etc. The nations have hardly sung about this sort of thing as a whole yet.

    Verse 2 and the "saving health" could be a reference to Petra where His people are physically preserved previously from Antichrist ( Rev. 12:14). It also could be how those who worship God are given a life like that of a tree ( Isaiah 65:22) where those who die at 100 will be considered as a child two verses previous. There will probably be physical life for those who don't rebel until the end of the 1000 years in the Eden like state of the earth but those who rebel will be immediately judged.

    Again as in the previous Psalm; the crops will be multiplied (verse 6); and blessings and fear of the whole world will occur (verse 7). The lack of the fear of the Lord now as opposed to then certainly will be due to Christ Himself returning. Sadly though the unregenerate still will follow the Pied Piper's call when Satan makes his last stand at the end of that period immediately before the Great White Throne Judgment.

    Mark 16:15 also shows how the Temple was designed to be a place of prayer for all nations (referring to multiple passages in the O.T. including Jeremiah; Isaiah; Chronicles and others).
  • T Levis - In Reply on Mark 16 - 1 year ago
    There are believers that believe they also minister to creatures. Interestingly there are many events in Scripture that show obedience to GOD ALMIGHTY & even accountability. Starting with Genesis 9:5, Proverbs 12:10, 1Samuel 6:7-15, 1Kings 13, Numbers 22, Daniel 6, Isaiah 65:25, Isaiah 11:6-9,

    James 1:5-7,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 20 - 1 year ago
    Revelation chapter 20.

    This chapter; like all scriptures should be taken as a literal prophetic event unless certain things are clearly symbolic. In this case everything is given a literal time frame and sequence; with supporting details not only in this chapter and the rest of Revelation; but other books including the Old Testament in scripture.

    We can argue what we may about a Post Millennium mindset and agree to disagree if we have a basic belief in Christ's PHYSICAL return to earth in the future (something which FULL preterists seem to think has already occurred but in some mystical fashion). That would be the only case where we should disfellowship; and I and another brother in the Lord were forced to do that a few years ago. Something else which I consider very dangerous is the mindset that Satan is already bound in the bottomless pit. This is notwithstanding all the promises of the church that the powers of darkness will have no affect on us. There is certainly no limitation on killing the saints of God which Satan will do and continue to do until his punishment is enacted (at the end of the Tribulation and the end of the battle after he is released after the 1000 years). The general statement that a time worse than any that has ever happened or will ever exist again ( Matt. 24:21) with all the percentages of deaths listed in Revelation certainly has not occurred yet. We need to examine other scriptures such as Isaiah 14:17; Isaiah 41:5-13 on the coastlands burning; Isaiah 13:12 on man being rarer than the "gold of Ophir"; Isaiah 30:28 about the nations being put into the seive of destruction; Zechariah 12:9 on all nations gathered and half of Jerusalem taken and numerous other prophetic passages to see that indeed Armageddon must occur. Other verses talk of clear descriptions of mortal man still capable of sinning on the earth in the Millennium such as Zechariah 14:17-18; and Isaiah 65:20-25 being two of the clearest examples.
  • Alex N - In Reply on Zechariah 13 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Dere Gbu....Dere salvation is for everybody...According to the New Covenant Jeremiah 31:34....I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest thats everybody...And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more...And this New Covenant is what Jesus accomplished at Calvary....in his blood....And Isaiah 11 saw all the world coming under this New Covenant....He says that KNOWLEDGE shall cover the earth as the waters cover the Seas....This knowledge is a spritual intimacy that results in a birth of Christ in everybody....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains...Thats y Jesus said if i be lifted up ( his blood of that New Covenant) I will draw all men unto me...There is a book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with his own Blood...When that book is opened it gonna result in a Spritual pregnancy for all men....Thats y the woman n Rev. 12:5 is giving birth to the child that is gonna rule all nations...This intimacy KNOWLEDGE is gonna be to everyman....I will KNOW THEM ALL from the least to the greatest...Thats everybody....Thats y Isaiah 65 :1 is saying...I was found of them that sought me not i was made manifest to them that asked not after me....Everybody is gona get it...When we were yet sinners Jesus died for all of us....We are all bought and paid for by his blood...Everybody....At the CROSS we were all redeemed by the blood of the lamb....Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...period

    .....Thats y God told Peter what i have made CLEAN ( BY THE blood of Jesus )...donot call common or unclean....( by commanding water baptism for the remission of sins).....AT the Cross that New Covenant in his BLOOD all sins were paid for...He is gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh....Thats everybody...The old covenant many were called few chosen..but the New Covenant is all Inclusive....i will know them ALL from the least to the Greatest..In Adam we all die but in CHRIST WE WILL ALL LIVE...
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Furthermore, the earth will no longer conceal its dead ( Isaiah 26:21). The souls of those countless millions of aborted babies; all those who have died of the O.T. and New Testament saints will finally live life to the fullest. I see the Temple as being a reminder on earth in the 1000 year reign of Christ as to what He did; and we should remember that the food will be part of the bountiful harvest of grain and fish at that time as well ( Ezekiel 47:8-9 which BTW already is starting to develop with fresh water inflow where fish have been seen in recent years). There will be ceremonial cleanness needed because those who are still in mortal bodies having children at that time will not be able to stand in God's presence at that time; or around those of us who will be ruling and reigning at that time. It is clear that there is a Millenium because of verses such as Isaiah 65:20 and Zech. 14:18 where rebellion brings swift retribution and or early death. Justice will finally cover the earth as the waters of the sea ( Isaiah 11:9). This is exciting news!

    Yes; I agree the Mercy Seat needs to be remembered; as to His mercy on our souls. We also stand in a dispensation when we are blessed if we don't see Him with certain promises and giftings and rewards which are unique and better in some ways than they will be when people CAN see Him. Still; to be able to finally have fellowship on this earth and then in eternity without all these "momentary afflictions" ( 2 Cor. 4:17) will be really great. Either Paul had something SERIOUSLY wrong with him; or glory is beyond belief. We can look at this knowing we will not have to face hell or the judgments about to hit the earth. The Tribulation must come first. Even for us (at least for me) this future hope is still the only thing that gets me through the thick darkness already strangling much of this world. Better a doorkeeper in His house ( Psalm 84:10) than dwell in the tents of the wicked.

    Agape; RIch P
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Steven you are mixing up 2 covenants....The Old Covenant was many are called but few are chosen....But the New Covenant is Jeremiah 31 : 34....God speaking I will KNOW THEM ALL FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST....This know them all is an intimacy with God ( As Jesus said i neva knew you )....Some he neva knew thus no seed was planted in their hearts...Thus no Child of Promise the H.G....The Kingdom.

    .....But listen to what Jesus is saying....If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me...This is the New Covenant in his blood... Isaiah 65 : 1....I was found of them that sought me not....I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me....Who are these ?

    These are they that Christ has drawn unto him of ALL the world of all ppls and nations and tongues...A number that no man can number of all the World....Remember Rev. speaks of a number that no man can number standing before the throne of God and the lamb...( that New Covenant in his blood )...These are they that have come out of great tribulation and made their robes white by the Blood of the lamb...That New COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD DRINK YE ALL OF IT.

    .....Steven you just don't understand that its our God that is a consuming fire....That is gonna consume mans Evil adamic nature....Giving us a new HEART and a New Spirit...Which answers to the new heaven and the new earth....There is absolutely nothin wrong with this beautiful earth....Its man evil adamic nature that needs to be burnt up...As our God is a consuming fire... Hebrews 12 : 29 kjv...Which is baptism of the H.G. and fire...Jesus said that every man will have his part in the lake of fire simply b/c its what man needs....Who shall abide the day of his coming who shall stand when he appears for he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap.... Mal 3 : 2 kjv....Its a cleasing fire, Baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE....Whom the lord loveth he chastens...Remember what Jesus said I come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives..thank you Jesus...GBU STEVEN
  • Alex N - In Reply on Joel 1 - 1 year ago
    Love the Bible Gbu but all our righteousness is filthy rags in the sight of God....Its what Jesus did at Calvary that made us all clean...Remember what God told Peter what i have made clean do not call common or unclean....When Jesus said its finished that was all of the redemption man will ever need, that book was finished that he wrote with his own blood....If i be lifted up ( his blood ) i will draw ALL men unto me...That was the New Covenant in his Blood i will know them ALL from the least to the greatest.Read Jeremiah 31 :34 kjv

    ......This is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it....But i will drink no more of the fruit of the vine till i drink it new with YOU in my FATHERS Kingdom...But Isaiah is very bold and says i was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me....How is this possible simply b/c he is gonna draw all men unto him b/c of the CROSS....The blood of that New COVENANT... Isaiah 65 : 1 kjv
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4 - 1 year ago
    You are probably aware of the verse about us being as the "angels of heaven" ( Mark 12:25). This of course refers to the Resurrection body. There is the question of those who may be pregnant at the time of the rapture. We are all "changed" so there is no real way of knowing whether a pregnancy would continue within the womb or somehow outside of it; in either case it seems scriptural that at least children of believers would go with them to heaven although it can't be proven. That also would have the infant changed into an immortal body if he or she ends up in heaven. It does seem certain from David's comment on the child he lost after sinning with Bathsheeba along with other scriptures that the souls of all unborn will end up in heaven and someday be Resurrected. People want to say all kids will be raptured; I can't see that proven scripturally; just that the souls of all unborn kids will make it to heaven if they die before a certain age.

    Anyway; of course there will be the few that survive through the Tribulation who have kids; many of whom will live until the end of the Millennium; hence being those who ARE in the Book of Life at the Great White Throne Judgment IF they are not killed due to some sort of sin beforehand ( Isaiah 65:20). After the Millenium; it would appear that all mortals also enter immortality; once the new heaven and new earth are created.

    These issues shouldn't of course be a distraction to plans now; having children and getting married. It is good; however to put our mind on things above ( Colossians 3:1-10). God can give us contentedness now; and surely we will rejoice in heaven and not miss our earthly existence. There is always a tendency to concern ourselves with all the things of this world; rather than casting our cares on Him; especially today. Of course it is always best to have a healthy church community which seems to be found more often in the Reformed churches. May He give you wisdom in these trying times.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesus said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me....Thats y the New Covenant is ALL inclusive.... Isaiah 65 : 1 kjv...Thats y Isaiah is saying I was found of them that sought me not ( thats the world everybody ) I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me....( thats the world everybody )...weather we like it or not, He bought everyone of us with his blood ( that New Covenant ) ....Jesus was the farthest thing from Pauls mind but he saved him anyway...When he was least expecting it.

    .....I will know them ALL but Isaiah saw this know them all as a knowledge that is gona cover this earth as the waters cover the seas....Which is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of Christ in every man....Thats y Jeremiah saw everymen with his hands on his loins as woman in travail and birth pains...We are all gonna birth a Baby Christ which is the H.G....The Children of PROMISE...I will know them all from the least to the greatest thus the Children of PROMISE THE H.G....The woman with Child....

    Thats y he has to know us weather we like it or not....Simply b/c our old adamic nature is in rank with satan....God cd not care less what satan likes.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Psalms 24:1, ._.The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell there in"

    the Lord meaning.. Yhvh = translated, The proper name of GOD of Israel = Eternal 2. Jehovah 'Jewish name'

    Earth = earth, land, nations, wilderness, world,

    Exodus 9:29,

    1Corinthians 10:26 "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.'' the Lord's meaning 1. Supreme in authority, 2. Controller 3. supremacy, master,

    Chris gave you great scripture but I want to point to the bigger more complete picture.

    Ephesians 6:12, world = aion translated = an age, 1Corinthians 2:6, 1Corinthians 1:20,

    John 15:19, meaning translated = kosmos= orderly arrangement, 2. The world including it's inhabitants, John 3:15-17, 1Corinthians 7:31,

    John 1:10, 1John 2:16, Proverbs 29:2,

    1John 5:4, John 16:33, 1Corinthians 15:24-28, John 17, 1John 3:10-16, John 9:5, 1Corinthians 6:2, Genesis 1:28, Luke 22:25-30, Matthew 10:8, Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 9:1-2, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:15-19

    2Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21, Ephesians 6:10-18

    Hopefully these are helpful in deeper understanding, you can also pray for wisdom, James 1:5,
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Addendum. The end of the 1000 years appears also to be a works judgment. Since death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire; again they have no hope. Revelation 20:15 mentions if someone is NOT written in the Book of Life. That would be a foregone conclusion for the first group; or for those physically surviving into the Millenium who may "die at 100 years old being accursed" ( Isaiah 65:20). Those who live the whole span of time until the end of the 1000 years may be judged having never died physically; with some going into eternity and hence being in the Book of Life. That helps that verse to make sense and fits in with the concepts I already discussed as to explain the fates and times of judgments from those of all dispensations.
  • Ronnette Part 13 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Isaiah 65:13

    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

    Isaiah 66:5

    Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    Isaiah 54:4

    Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

    Isaiah 49:23

    And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

    Ezra 8:22

    For I was ashamed to require of the king a band of soldiers and horsemen to help us against the enemy in the way: because we had spoken unto the king, saying, The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek him; but his power and his wrath is against all them that forsake him.

    Ezekiel 32:30

    There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.

    Ezekiel 43:11

    And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
  • S Spencer. - 1 year ago
    Millenium.

    Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

    And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isaiah 65:8-10.

    NOTICE: HERES A CONTRAST GROUP IN Isaiah 65:11-16. These blessings is not to ALL!

    Isaiah 65:17. parallels with Revelation 21:1. So you can go back and forward between the two books and get the sequence of events in its order and see the players involved and their separate destinations.

    Isaiah 65:18-20 is clearly Israel and clearly future. (Not the Church)

    See here the parallels:

    Isaiah 65:19. and Revelation 21:4.

    Isaiah 65:21_23. and Deuteronomy 28:30-33 ( Deuteronomy 28:45-46) is clearly Israel.

    Isaiah 65:25. Clearly future.

    Notice the economy, location, two groups and two fates, in both Revelation and Isaiah in both books last few chapters.

    Isaiah 66.

    Isaiah66;17-21. and Matthew 25:31-46. (Judgement of the individuals of the Nations) Notice three groups 1) The sheep.

    2) The Goats. 3) The little ones. (Possibly the 144000 sealed servants.)

    Isaiah 66:22. Shows Gods faithful promises and purpose for Israel is eternal.

    Now we come to Isaiah 66;23-24.

    Isaiah 66:23. Speaks of All those who are saved!

    Isaiah 66:24. Speaks of those who are not. ( Revelation 21:1-8.)

    IS 66;24. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. ( This speaks of their eternal state of damnation.) as seen in Revelation 20:13-15. Revelation 22:11.

    2 Peter 3:6-14. Speaks of two groups, repentance, consequences.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    S Steven I love ya but you do greatly err, Here you are talking about corruption and incorruption...Not understanding that we ALL must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed....Even by the words of God as Peter says in 1st Peter 1: 23...kjv...Didn't our lord tell us you are made CLEAN by the WORD i have spoken unto you....Which is that New Covenant that is ALL inclusive....I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest ....And knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover the seas Isaiah 11 ...How can you not see that this New Covenant is all inclusive....I was found of them that sought me NOT and was made manifest unto them that asked not after ME. Isaiah 65 : 1 kjv....And if in this LIFE only we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable 1 ST Cor. 15 : 16 ...There is another life, another world after this one as Jesus tells us....In this life there are few that are saved...billions have neva heard the name of JESUS....But in the life to come...In the world to come....B/c of the Cross that new covenant everybody will be washed in the blood of the lamb....Thats y Jesus is saying the hr. is coming when ALL that are in the graves shall hear my voice and come forth to the ressurection of life or damnation....Our old adamic nature is in rank with Satan the TARES that is gonna be damned..The tares are burned but the wheat is taken to his barn...His kINGDOM.

    .....Steven Jesus was Flesh and blood and he IS the Kingdom of God.

    Steven if ya study the New COVENANT you will see its ALL Gods doings....They shall NO more teach their neighbors and their friends KNOW THE LORD....They shall ALL know me from the least to the greatest... Jeremiah 31 : 34 kjv...There is not gonna be a NEED for Evangelists. Teachers and Preachers etc...And no more temples made with hands...As that manchild the H.G that Child of Promise is gonna Rule ALL nations....There is gona be a new heaven and a new earth and no more seas of humanity that has not been washed in his blood. GBU
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The Kingdom of God.

    Part 3.

    "WITHIN YOU."

    The better translation would be "in your midst" or "among you." Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He brought the kingdom of God to earth. Jesus' presence in their midst gave them a taste of the kingdom life, as attested by the miracles that Jesus performed. Elsewhere, Jesus mentions His miracles as definitive proof of the kingdom: "If I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you" ( Luke 11:20).

    There are three popular interpretations of Jesus' words in Luke 17:21 that the kingdom of God is within you (or among you): 1) the kingdom of God is essentially inward, within man's heart; 2) the kingdom is within your reach if you make the right choices; and 3) the kingdom of God is in your midst in the person and presence of Jesus. The best of these interpretations, it seems, is the third: Jesus was inaugurating the kingdom as He changed the hearts of men, one at a time.

    For the time being, Christ's kingdom is not of this world ( John 18:36). One day, however, the kingdom of God will be manifest on the earth ( Isaiah 35:1), and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom.

    Jesus told his desciples to pray for the Kingdom.

    Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    Mat. 6:10.

    Some say the Kingdom started in Jesus ministry.

    There's several problems with that view.

    1) Davids throne no longer existed then. "It still don't.

    2) Revelation 20. refutes that notion. "The devil is still at large, look around.

    The Millennial Kingdom is a one-thousand-year literal and visible reign of Christ upon the earth during which Satan is bound, Israel as a people is restored, and the Jewish Temple rebuilt.

    Isaiah 2:1-4.

    Isaiah 11:1-10.

    Isaiah 65:18-25

    I like this one!!

    Isaiah 11:11. God will gather Israel a SECOND TIME and all this will happen.

    This is being fulfilled before our very eyes! He just haven't poured his spirit on that nation yet.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi James.

    Are you talking about Romans

    11:5-7?

    "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

    If so that's Israel.

    Mathew 24:24.

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    These verses seems to suggest the same.

    Vs 16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Vs 20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    Daniel 12:1.

    And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    The children of Daniels people is Israel.

    Israel is also called Gods elect throughout the Scripture.

    Isaiah 45:4.

    For Jacob my servant's sake, and ISRAEL MINE ELECT, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    Isaiah 65:9.

    And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

    PARALLEL VERSES.

    Isaiah 65:22.

    They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

    Jeremiah 30:7.

    Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Giannis.

    Again thanks for your reply.

    We're in agreement with the blessings of Abraham to all people by faith.

    But we are in disagreement that the keeping of the law binds those promises. Galatians 3:17 says otherwise.

    You mentioned Matthew 19:28.

    Now quoting you concerning judas.

    Your quote:

    "Remember that Jesus said to all 12 apostoles, including Judas, that they will sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Did that come true for Judas? No, because Judas at the end walked another way. What is then happened to that promise given to Israel? It was gone as soon as they crucified Jesus and took some other way. God's promises are never unconditional,"

    End quote.

    Judas didn't catch Jesus by surprise and he was prophesied to betray Jesus in the old testament. And early on in John 6:70.

    Take a look at the verse you referred to.

    "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have FOLLOWED ME, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

    Several things here.

    Jesus sitting on his throne doesn't depend on his disciples following him. If so it wouldn't be still expected after Christ was crucified, as seen here in Acts 15:14-17. and elsewhere in scripture after the crucifixion.

    Jesus says That ye which have FOLLOWED ME. A desciple is one that follows one's teachings . Does that sound like Jesus?

    When were they sent out with the power and influence of the Holyspirit? After Jesus resurrection and after the death of Judas. Paul was born out of due season. There's your twelve.

    Concerning 1949. yes they're in the land but is Christ sitting on David's throne?

    They won't behold him as a nation until they say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord. And is the lion laying down with the Lamb? Is the devil chained a thousand years? None of the Millennium prophecies have been fulfilled. See Isaiah 65:19.

    God bless.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Draw plz forgive me i didn't see your question about Jesus Drawing all men unto him...Sorry...The New Covenant is about God drawing all men unto himself...As Isaiah 65 : 1.. Says I was found of them that sought me NOT And i was made manifest unto them that asked NOT after me Isaiah 65 ...Here we see folks being drawn unto God without mans help...Which is the New Covenant...I will KNOW them ALL from the least to the greatest...Buts its Jesus who wrote this New Covenant (THE BOOK) with his OWN BLOOD..Thus the Father and his son work together in DRAWING ALL MEN UNTO HIM... Rev. 7 : 17 The Father and the son lead them together to the Kingdom and fountains of living water.

    ....Now some folks will tell ya that this Isaiah 65 is only to the Gentiles...But that is not true...When he spoke the new Covenant he was addressing the house of Israel and the house of Judah...As in Jeremiah 31 : 31...The Gentiles come in by their Father Abraham when he was yet uncircumcised he received the Promise...But Abraham was also the Father of the circumcision( Israel ) so this New Covenant is for everybody....As God so loved the world etc...Thats y Jesus is saying if I be lifted up I will draw ALL men unto me...Thats y Isaiah is saying i was found of them that sought me Not...I was MADE MANIFEST UNTO THEM THAT ASKED NOT AFTER ME....Its Jesus and his father that is gona DRAW ALL men unto themselves...The H.G. is our new heart and new spirit the Kingdom...The Children of Promise...Actually Abraham was a Syrian according to Duet 26 : 5..Our father a Syrian etc
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey Clint,

    Heaven, facts, or personal beliefs could be quite diverse. The Bible tells us heaven is God's dwelling place, 2 Chronicles 36:15, God's holy temple and throne are in heaven, Psalms 11:4, and the angels are in heaven, Matthew 22:30. The tabernacle Moses was instructed to build was a copy of the one in heaven, Hebrews 8:5.

    The Bible tells us no man has ascended up to heaven, John 3:13. The Bible tells us heaven even the heavens are the LORDs and the earth is for the children of men, Psalms 115:16. We are told several times, that heaven along with the earth will be changed and made new, Isaiah 65:17 Isaiah 66:22 2 Peter 3:13 Revelation 21:1, and the new earth is where those whose names are in the book of life will be and God will dwell with us, and we will see His face Revelation 21,22.

    If you are thinking, like the question, we hear, are you going to heaven when you die? That is something else. My understanding of scripture is the only way man will see heaven is in a vision like Paul, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and John, Revelation.

    God bless,

    RLW

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  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Elect; chosen, Isaiah 42:1, 2Timothy 2:10, Isaiah 45:4, Titus 1:1, Matthew 24:22, Isaiah 65:9, 1st CHRIST Jesus, then His followers Romans 11:7,

    Election ; 2Peter 1:10,

    1Corinthians 12,

    Hopefully these are helpful,

    Though I didn't fully understand what you were asking
  • Elizabeth - 2 years ago
    The Bible has a number of places that speak of animals in glory.

    1. Isaiah 11:6-9

    The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

    7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

    9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

    2. Isaiah 65:24-25

    And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

    25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

    3. Revelation 19:13-14

    And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    There are other things that could be added to this short list. But this is a good place to start.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi SolaScrip.

    As promised I would respond to your reply when time permits.

    You said Isaiah 65 "is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium."

    I have to disagree, here's why.

    Isaiah 65:20 . There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

    This can't be after the Millennium, Because after the Millennium there is a new heaven and new earth and there is no death in Heaven.

    Revelation 21:1-3.

    Revelation 21:4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Can't be the Millennium, people die in the Millennium.

    Isaiah gives along with so many other scriptures gives us a picture of what is to come in the Millennium.

    In Revelation 20. we see the Millennium and we see the final judgment of mankind and the weakness of the flesh displayed while under the perfect governing.

    Isaiah 65:17. Gives us what's to come after the judgment.

    Isaiah 65:18-25. reflects back on the Millennium.

    These verses you mentioned in Mathew 24 and Isaiah 13 comes before the Millennium.

    You mentioned Revelation 10:6. means time ended.

    I believe Revelation 10:6. means there will be no more delay. It's a confirmation of the words Christ in his Olivet discourse.

    You said The thousand years period is not mentioned nowhere in scripture but Revelation 20. But it's mentioned 6 times in Ch 20! It's pretty clear it's literal.

    You said Revelation is symbolic.

    The Amillennium view holds those views. I suppose the Devil is symbolically chained today in the midst of the 1000 years if so when will he be loosed or is he already loosed?

    I will share more at a later date.

    God bless you.
  • SolaScrip - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Was that supposed to correct or contradict anything that I said? Because it did not in any way.

    I mentioned Millennium AND 1,000 years. Clearly I had that already.

    I also mentioned that Rev. 20:1-6 is the only place in scripture that mentions any 1,000 yr period of time. Yes, I forgot the 7th verse. Forgive me. My point still stands.

    You may not be very familiar with the Millennium doctrine, but it has about a handful of necessities for it to be legitimate within scripture. One of those is that the physical earth must remain throughout that 1,000 years. It does not. Isaiah 65:17-25 is often used to refute the 'No Millennium' position, but ironically the 1st verse there, verse 17 contradicts the Millennium immediately.

    "For, behold, I create a New Heaven and a New Earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind."

    Isa. 65:17

    That completely nullifies a Millennial time period upon the physical earth. There are plenty more verses in scripture, many within Revelation itself, that undeniably eliminate the possibility of a Millennium doctrine. Jesus comes, gathers His saints, destroys all wickedness (devil, beast, false prophet, sinners, etc.) as well as the earth and then rebuilds it and His "Heavenly ETERNAL reign" ensues. NOT a physical earthly 1,000 year reign upon the existing earth where the devil is released at the end to again torment all that have ALREADY endured until the end. Matthew 24:13; Rev. 14:12 Would it make any sense at all for God to have us endure and obey throughout this physical lifetime, only to have to endure another 1,000 years and be tested and tormented all over again by the devil?

    It would make ZERO sense and it would throw God's entire character into question - it would not follow scripture as a whole in the least.

    Happy to answer questions and address any other verses you may like to present.

    God bless.


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