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  • Giannis - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    Hi Phillip.

    Well said, you are right about those.

    I looked it up in a Hebrew religious site. The exact translation from the Hebrew Bible was written as:

    Isa 45:18

    "ki ke amr ieue BURA eshmim eua ealeim ITZR eartz (Hbr)

    thus that he-says Yahweh one-creating theheavens he theElohim one-forming theearth (Eng)

    uOSHe eua KUNNe la theu brae lshbth itzre ani ieue uain oud (Hbr)

    andone-making-ofher he he-establishedher not chaos he-createdher toto-dwell-of he-formedher I Yahweh andthere-is-no further (Eng)"

    BURA, ITZR, OSH, KUNN are the words you are reffering to, they show a God's characteristic for the specific action. I noticed that "Yahweh" is written as "ieue" and "he" as "eua"(they seem to be very similar) and "one" ias "u". Also "Elohim" as "Aleim" which is plural in Hbr since the ending "im" always shows the plural form. The singular form is "El", in Hbr "Al".

    GBU
  • Philip Christian Parks on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    The LORD; Isa. 45:18 = When written in all capital letters as it is here, the title LORD renders GOD's unknown, incommunicable, unpronounceable Proper NAME.

    It translated from the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH (Eng. transliteration.).

    The Hebrews added the vowels from their title "adonay" (Eng. "lord") to the tetragrammaton YHWH to derive the more pronounceable name "JEHOVAH" (or "YAHWEH").

    When recorded in this all-capitals manner, the title "LORD" Identifies "The Eternal, SELF-Existing ONE.

    created; Isa. 45:18 = Translated from the Hebrew verb root "bara'" (transliterated; pronounced "baw-RAW"), the term "created" applies only to JEHOVAH GOD, for it literally describes HIM bringing something into existence from nothing simply by HIS DIVINE Words or Will (cp. Rev. 4:11). Compare Genesis 1:1:

    "In the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth."

    formed; Isa. 45:18 = Translated from the Hebrew verb root "yatsar" (transliterated "yaw-TSAR'"), the term "formed" describes JEHOVAH GOD miraculously, and on a grand scale, shaping and fashioning that which HE previously created out of nothing.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    made; Isa. 45:18 = When translated from the Hebrew verb root "asah" (transliterated' "aw-SAW"), the term "made" describes the sequence of GOD first "creating" something out of nothing, and then shaping and fashioning "formed") that "creation" into its beautiful and useful existence. Finally, HE arranges, places, and securely fixes ("established") HIS Creation for HIS and man's availability and use.

    Compare GOD's subsequent actions immediately after HE "created the heaven and the earth" ( Gen. 1:1). Note that "the earth was without form and void" ( Gen. 1:2). GOD's creative finishing touches of "forming" and "establishing" that which HE previously "created" occurs throughout the following verses (vv. 1:2b - 2:3).

    Understand, the act of GOD's "forming" and "establishing" HIS Creation required DIVINE miraculous Words and Will that only JEHOVAH GOD possesses, and that JEHOVAH GOD solely could accomplish.

    established; Isa. 45:18 = When translated from the Hebrew root verb "kuwn" (transliterated "koon"), the term "established" describes GOD setting HIS Creation and HIS fashioning of it into its permanent place and operation.

    Consider GOD's "establishment" of the sun which HE created in the heavens ( Ps. 19:4):

    "In them hath HE set a tabernacle for the sun."

    In addition, consider GOD's "establishment" of the earth ( Job 26:7):

    "HE stretcheth out the north {the vast expanse of the northern heavens} over the empty place {nothing exists for support}, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 35 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 35; once again describes the state of David in distress; trusting God to defend him as well as encouraging those who support his righteous cause (v. 27). Once again; the interplay of the prophetic is so intertwined with David's own experiences and that of the Messiah that it is hard to find examples where one or another can definitively be extricated from the dialogue.

    We find examples such as verse 11 discussing false witnesses; and verses 16 through 18 about "hypocritical mockers" and particularly verse 17 about rescuing the "darling" from the lions is definitely directed toward Christ at the crucifixion as seen in Psalm 22:20.

    The "Aha, aha" theme is seen in Psalm 40 and 70; and also Ezekiel 36:2 in regard to the capture of the ancient heights from the north in the last days (likely the Golan Heights area).

    Whether with an individual or the nation of Israel; God will bring victory for the remnant who are truly faithful according to His many promises. Going back to earlier in the Psalm in verses 5 to 6 we see how the angel of the Lord persecutes the wicked leading them to destruction. We see in 1 Chronicles 21 how an angel was sent to cause wholesale destruction. We do well to heed to the fact that God is in charge of all things; and in a sense creates good and evil for His purposes. Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6 discuss these things; calamity is under God's liimitations. Let us be under chastisement not judgment; and let us fall on the Rock rather than being crushed by it! ( Matt. 21:44).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    HI Ducan.

    I agree the apostacy has already started.

    However when Christ comes the second time he will come in judgement, He didn't come as the Holyghost as some suggest.

    Matthew 24:15. hasn't happened yet.

    "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Neither has Matthew 24:27-31.

    For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. "The elect here I believe is Israel" Isaiah 45:4. Isaiah 11:12. Jeremiah 23:3. Psalms 107:2-3.

    The Holyspirit was always in the world, but believers weren't baptized by the spirit until AFTER Christ was risen from the dead.

    But the second coming of Christ reads like this.

    "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

    Matthew 24:36-44.

    There is some amongst us who believes there is no Hell and we all will be saved and become Gods!!

    This is the climax of their theology.

    GB.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Romans 14:11,12, Isaiah 45:21-25, Philippians 2:1-15,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    Frieda,

    You are very welcome to read this online Bible & study here with us!

    If there is a book you'd like to discuss, the comment section is open for that.

    Hopefully we'll see more posts from you.
  • Frieda on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    Yes I have a Bible

    I like to read the Bible and to attend a bible study
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I suppose we could apply the verse "judgment begins in the house of God" to this event. ( 1 Peter 4:17). Since Satan is cast out in the battle of Rev. 12:4 along with his ANGELS; then God is using the principal he does later on separating the wheat from the tares that is not fully realized until the Second coming ( Matt. 13:29). In real time; transgression comes to the full before; for instance whole NATIONS are judged. ( Gen. 15:16). God Himself calls and chooses as well as KNOWS who are His own. In that sense God creates good and evil ( Isaiah 45:7). In that context we may substitute the word calamity; such as that Job suffered as an example to test his faithfulness and God allowed Satan's will to cause these torments; but his life had to be spared. In any event; God is not the author of confusion. In due course; the rebellion occured in heaven (probably long before the earth was created or restored in Genesis in my opinion although some use the "gap theory" between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 to explain that the earth was recreated). It would have taken some time for that many angels to rebel I would think. There would be no need for delaying their punishment as they saw heaven and God and therefore could not plead ignorance. The punishment would have been in stages from what scripture appears to say going from losing place as the "anointed cherub" described as a type of musical worship leader in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28; to be kicked out to ruling over the 2nd heaven; that is the physical universe; particularly focused on the atmosphere of the earth. Certainly at a minimum Satan has authority over the earth and mens minds; it seems from Revelation he may still be able to accuse us before the throne. His control over death keeping all under the earth (even the righteous in the paradise part of sheol); was broken after the death of Christ and Resurrection. Once the Rapture occurs; we are free to praise God unrestrained.
  • PROPHECY - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Brother Jeff:

    Yes, the earth will always be inhabited; this is where God's kingdom will be.

    Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it; he created it not in vain, he formed it to be INHABITED: I AM the Lord, and NONE ELSE.

    Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (the Father, God) ...ONE Body (man's body) ...

    Ephesians 4:6 ONE Father of ALL (bodies of man).... above ALL (bodies of man)).... through ALL (bodies of man)... and IN YOU ALL (bodies of man).....

    1 Corinthians 15:28 .....that God may be ALL in ALL ....

    God's earth "WILL BE" PERFECTLY INHABITED.

    God Bless YOU, Christ's body.
  • SwordBearer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    It is not my duty to name the scripture, but copy paste works wonders.

    Yes, there will be wars is exactly the psychological war that takes place IN YOUR MIND, which in the Bible is coded as Heaven and Earth, the Body.

    "God is love but satan is evil" ? But God himself says... Isaiah 45:7

    "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

    and again... Romans 13:1

    "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

    So it appears that what we have been TOLD is not exactly true. Like so many things

    Once you search out all the Dogmas and... Matthew 15:9

    "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

    Let me enlighten you, when you battle each one of your beliefs that were bred and pounded into you, and you come to the Water of Truth within yourself... You will know all the monsters John the Revelator was talking about. That is the Battle. But once the MIND is renewed, the veil comes off the heart. 2 Corinthians 3:16

    Christ in you, the hope of glory.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 1 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 1: Commentary

    Revelation begins much in the characteristic emphasis that John placed in the Gospels with the Godhead and its roles in rulership. The message was from Jesus Christ that God gave to him (apparently John) through an angel (unnamed). He who bore record (verse 2) shows John mentioning himself in the 3rd person; as to the written testimony of what he had seen and heard. Verse 3 shows a blessing for anyone who hears and KEEPS the things written in it; which shows that admonitions to persevere patiently and keeps themselves from aligning or falling into error which often comes into the church will be needed for this benefit.

    Verse 4 and 5 show the seven churches in Asia and how they typify the sevenfold Spirit of God at the throne. This could be a template of the churches throughout the Church Age; or as some say chronologically roughly describing the state of the church; i.e. the Philadelphia church being the one that brought revival in the 1700s and through the early 1900's and the Laodicean one being the last days one of today which certainly seems to be the state the church is in today in general.

    Verse 5 shows Christ's being the first begotten (or firstfruits) of the Resurrected dead; as well as the faithful witness Himself; and His position as the prince of the kings of the earth. Verse 6 clues us in about later passages in Revelation stating that we are made "kings and priests"

    (that is those faithful believers today).

    Verse 7 also alludes to later verses of the Second coming; as well as a preview of the sixth seal judgment. It also shows a foreshadow of Zechariah 12:12-14 when Israel as a whole finally realizes at the last moment before Christ returns that He is the true Messiah. Finally; the general observation of all those who will bow the knee ( Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:10-11)

    is previewed. Verse 8 about the Alpha and Omega shows the boundaries of time for all things from a Godhead ruling outside time itself.
  • Richard H Priday on 2 Thessalonians 1 - 1 year ago
    This chapter gets into the trials and tribulations of the saints (v. 4); and the subsequent judgment of God in verse 6. One can't help but wonder how great the accumulated sins from the dawn of the church age until now is; and how it factors into wrath once it finally transpires.

    (see Rev. 18:5).

    Verses 7 through 10 make it clear that indeed the return of Christ; destruction of enemies (in Armageddon and judgment in hell); as well as our promotion ruling and reigning on earth in the Millennial period (verse 10) factors in. There are 3 passages that state every knee shall bow and every tongue confess ( Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:10 and Romans 14:11).

    We are not to seek vengeance ( Romans 12:19). However; we are doing God no favors by attempting to dampen down a character attribute that He has; in this case rewarding His saints and punishing the wicked. Perhaps those who being persecuted are the best examples of those who understand the need for Divine justice. The saints under the throne in Revelation certainly aren't scolded for asking "how long" ( Rev. 6:9); with response in verses 10-11. With Paul and the churches under heavy persecution at this time this was a necessary statement; and the frequent reminder to endure until the end. In order to warn others of the wrath to come; we certainly must believe in eternal judgment and a literal hell.

    If we think people simply cease to exist (or are annihilated) it dumbs down the message and doesn't help anyone to have full conviction of sin ( John 16:8-11).
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Predestination Part 2 introduction

    All those on earth can see Romans 1 and Psalm 19 written in their consciousnesses as they see the creation and how God made things to be. Many today have heard of Christ; but it is as the Parable of the seed and the sower. To proceed to salvation; there must be the Word that takes root; and continues PAST trials and temptations to the point of producing fruit and is continually purged to produce MORE fruit. ( John 15:2). All men fear God and will bow down to worship Him someday. ( Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:10-11). Unregenerate man needs a heart change though; he only fears the consequences; not how He has offended a Holy God. An unsaved man can not love Christ or God for that matter. John exposes these things.

    If we are truly seeking understanding; I believe He will show us that we are vile sinners and on the way to hell. Those who are not saved or cannot hear His voice (again John describes those people) we have no desire to see who we really are; and find things in this world to our satisfaction. That has much to do with the god of this world; again who IS our God before salvation ( Eph. 2:2). Try to tell someone they are a sinner; that is hard but to say that they are truly following Satan is a whole other matter. Nonetheless; we see again in John Christ speaking this to the Pharisees. This is a fair warning to those who hold onto religious practices apart from a Spirit filled life. It is also sobering to think of those sins that we find outwardly appalling (fornication for instance) when we ignore pride; greed and even gossip because we are so accustomed to behaving this way in our society.

    It needs to be said (which should be left unsaid) that since we don't understand fully the hidden counsel of God ( Deut 29:29) that we have no place to be arrogant about understanding these doctrines; and we must acknowledge the grievous sins that Calvin and Luther did while correctly expounding on these principles.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Revelation 5 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 5:13 certainly does seem to indicate that a worldwide praise of God occurs. The only question is; if this is not a chronological marker of the events immediately after the Rapture but indicates perhaps when the 2nd coming; or even Great White Throne judgment occurs when people are forced to bow. ( Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:11). In any event; it is pretty clear that by the sixth seal the world will be well aware of God the Father and the Son on the throne in heaven; and the fact that wrath has started. Perhaps there will be a full understanding of the Father and Son right after the Rapture; as the verse above seems to suggest. The world would be deceived; however in thinking that wrath doesn't begin until later; as the 1st Seal somehow will appear to be a solution to the world's problems. The Antichrist certainly will be a substitute for Christ ( John 5:43); and there is no verse that seems to indicate any denial of a Rapture event; and certainly worldwide Resurrections with empty tombs and damaged graveyards can't be denied. Undoubtably; there will be some message explaining why some weren't taken; and explaining away as a UFO abduction of those missing is a likely thing to occur. Everyone at that point will want to find solutions; and this super orator will appear to be the 12th Imam; Maitreya; or whatever figure best suits all those who don't love the truth but believe THE lie ( 2 THess. 2:11). This will also allow the one world government; currency and final "Beast" kingdom to be established.

    When we look at the life of Christ; being praised in the streets one week before many turned against Him at the cross; we see how quickly men's hearts can turn. In the Tribulation; men will go from fearing God to attempting at the end to fight against Him ( Psalm 2; Rev. 19). It is also not inconceivable that men fear God yet still worship idols ( 2 Kings 17:41; Rev. 9:20-21).

    Rev. 13:8 shows how all those not written in the Book of Life succumb
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Job 6 - 1 year ago
    I think the emphasis is not on the one being consoled; but the friend who is consoling as verse 15 indicates. This was the characteristic of the majority of the book of Job; who initially were silent as he stood with sackcloth and ashes and said nothing.

    Unfortunately; human nature which is unstable as water cannot be counted on for steadfastness once the fear of God is removed; and self serving attitudes crop up. We are not naturally inclined to bear burdens of those who seem unpleasant; or in Job's case stink from open wounds. A lot of people don't feel like being around depressed individuals; or to share burdens generally.

    This isn't even the biggest problem here: God Himself if anything was even harsher with Job; but gave him a worthy rebuke in that His attributes were perfect. Rather than emphasizing some self righteousness that his "friends" didn't really possess; He stands alone as being totally righeous; and therefore in all ways unattainable. The proper reaction is to be on our faces before Him. And the whole assembly; including apparently Job himself was unaware that Satan was the instigator here; who God allowed twice to affect first with the disasters with those in his personal circles; then to Job himself; limiting his life only to be spared. He was still stated to be a righteous man; the greatest of that land. There was never any indication that his possessions were anything but a blessing from God; as he alone seemed concerned about the attitudes of his family who he prayed for daily; and sacrificially. So with not knowing the source of his troubles; he blames God and is confused. Ultimately; the Lord "creates good and evil" ( Isaiah 45:7); but also is not the author of confusion; and cannot lie. This in the end exalted Job to an even higher standard. We should observe the mandate to pray for his friends BEFORE restoration; as this could have held back Job from these blessings if he had a hardened heart.
  • Ronnette Part 8 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Isaiah 45:24 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

    2 Kings 2:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

    Jeremiah 31:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

    Isaiah 42:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

    Psalms 70:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Let them be ashamed and confounded that seek after my soul: let them be turned backward, and put to confusion, that desire my hurt.

    Psalms 40:14 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

    Isaiah 1:29 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen.

    Psalms 35:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

    Joel 2:26 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
  • Ronnette Part 4 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Luke 16:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

    Psalms 86:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Shew me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

    Titus 2:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

    Jeremiah 14:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Because the ground is chapt, for there was no rain in the earth, the plowmen were ashamed, they covered their heads.

    Psalms 34:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.

    Psalms 74:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.

    Psalms 25:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.

    1 Peter 4:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

    Romans 6:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

    Isaiah 45:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

    Hosea 10:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    It shall be also carried unto Assyria for a present to king Jareb: Ephraim shall receive shame, and Israel shall be ashamed of his own counsel.
  • Ronnette Part 3 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Psalms 119:78 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Let the proud be ashamed; for they dealt perversely with me without a cause: but I will meditate in thy precepts.

    Psalms 119:46 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

    2 Kings 8:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And he settled his countenance stedfastly, until he was ashamed: and the man of God wept.

    Hosea 4:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    The wind hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

    Romans 9:33 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    2 Corinthians 9:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

    2 Timothy 1:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:

    Isaiah 45:17 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

    Job 11:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Should thy lies make men hold their peace? and when thou mockest, shall no man make thee ashamed?

    Romans 5:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
  • Marke - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    God does claim power to create calamities, but He does not sin, does not encourage humans to sin, and did not create sin in Adam that subsequently was passed on to every human born into the world.
  • Dav47 - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    if you cause enough trouble God will cause you some problems is what HE is saying; HE didn't create evil but HE can sure give evil people some trouble when they cause evil. GOD is incapable of evil but HE will allow calamity to come about. evil here is Heb. ra= has many uses here in this context is rendered calamity/tumult. GOD naming Cyrus before he was born, 1 of only 7 GOD named; subject here is GOD uses Cyrus for HIS purpose to cause calamity/tumult to subdue nations for HIS purpose as stated in Verse 1
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    Hi Tammy.

    These verses from Isaiah 45, verses 1 to 7, is a discourse to Cyrus, the Persian King, revealing Who this God is, the One who will use the king as His instrument. So verse 7 comes as a further reminder to Cyrus that this God is unlike anyone else: He creates Light & He has the power to remove it (once Light from a source is removed, darkness prevails - it's the default with the absence of light) - in so doing, it can also be read, that darkness was then created.

    He also can bring about peace (or, happiness, prosperity to the individual or the world) & He can choose to remove it (thereby evil will become present & rampant (as a default state), with Satan's influence upon man & the world). Again, as with the removal of light, the removal of peace results in the creation of evil (turmoil, disaster). The Lord doesn't create the evil for evil's sake (He can't do it, He is Holy), but at times, chooses to remove what withholds that peace, thereby allowing evil to be manifested, thus it being created. The Lord has the power to do all things, which the Persian gods could never do.

    We know that in the beginning evil was never in the world. Satan's heart was lifted up against God & evil was born. All the evil around us comes from Satan & not from God. And evil continues to abound as God stays His Hand against its raging tide.
  • ELB - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    Tammy:

    God is LOVE; but how do you know what love is, without knowing what hate is?

    God is LIGHT; but how do you know light, is without knowing what darkness is?

    God is LIFE; but how do you know what life, is without knowing what death is?

    God is TRUTH; but how do you know what truth, is without knowing what deception is?

    God is WISDOM; but how do you know what wisdom, is without knowing what ignorance is?

    The tree of KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, are in the same TREE, when we eat the FRUIT we HAVE KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL.

    Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold they have become like ONE OF US (Gods) to KNOW GOOD and EVIL.

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, to be conformed to the image of his Son (God) ....

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    Philippians 2:5 Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with GOD.

    Isaiah 66:9 Shall I not bring TO BIRTH, and not cause to bring forth? ......

    Isaiah 66:8 ....for as soon a Zion travailed, she brought forth her children (gods: in the AGE TO COME).

    God Bless YOU!
  • Kay - In Reply on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    I like John Gill's comments on this portion of that verse, Tammy:

    I make peace, and create evil; peace between God and men is made by Christ, who is God over all; spiritual peace of conscience comes from God, through Christ, by the Spirit; eternal glory and happiness is of God, which saints enter into at death; peace among the saints themselves here, and with the men of the world; peace in churches, and in the world, God is the author of, even of all prosperity of every kind, which this word includes: "evil" is also from him; not the evil of sin; this is not to be found among the creatures God made; this is of men, though suffered by the Lord, and overruled by him for good: but the evil of punishment for sin, God's sore judgments, famine, pestilence, evil beasts, and the sword, or war, which latter may more especially be intended, as it is opposed to peace; this usually is the effect of sin; may be sometimes lawfully engaged in; whether on a good or bad foundation is permitted by God; moreover, all afflictions, adversities, and calamities, come under this name, and are of God; see ( Job 2:10 ) ( Amos 3:6 ) : I the Lord do all these things;

    Blessings!
  • Tammy on Isaiah 45 - 1 year ago
    If God abhors evil and is always against it then why does Isaiah 45:7 state, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I understand that God does all things at all times but why does it state that He created evil? Isnt that going against God's stance on evil? Thank you for your time and God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi James.

    Are you talking about Romans

    11:5-7?

    "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."

    If so that's Israel.

    Mathew 24:24.

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    These verses seems to suggest the same.

    Vs 16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Vs 20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    Daniel 12:1.

    And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    The children of Daniels people is Israel.

    Israel is also called Gods elect throughout the Scripture.

    Isaiah 45:4.

    For Jacob my servant's sake, and ISRAEL MINE ELECT, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

    Isaiah 65:9.

    And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

    PARALLEL VERSES.

    Isaiah 65:22.

    They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

    Jeremiah 30:7.

    Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    God bless.
  • Philip - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 1 year ago
    Isaiah 45:9

    "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
  • Philip - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 1 year ago
    Isaiah 45:9

    "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
  • Marke - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The Lord Jesus is our Savior and there is no Savior but God.

    Isaiah 43:11

    I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

    Isaiah 45:21

    Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 55 - 1 year ago
    Those are good points brother & I thank you for bringing up Isaiah 45:6,7, as it's a passage that I've also considered previously.

    Even though I don't expect others to read verse 7 in the way I do, I still submit it for your thoughts. The LORD says, "I form the light, and create darkness". The same LORD Who formed the light for the first time, the light which instantly covered over the darkness, dispelling it, can also by His Power, remove that light - darkness then prevailing.

    The LORD continues, "I make peace, and create evil". In Hebrew, 'peace' is 'sa-lowm', which is of course 'peace, & also means soundness, completeness'. And for 'evil', the word is 'ra' ', which gives the meaning of both 'evil & adversity'. As in the matter of His creation of light & removal of that light, I wonder whether we could apply the same thought in that verse, that God Who alone can give peace & completeness to a person or to any part of His Creation, can also by His Power, remove that peace? The result being, the entrance of evil, the evil brought to bear on us by Satan.

    I'm sure the LORD knows all about evil, its author, its make-up, & its ramifications. But knowledge of it doesn't imply use of it. I don't understand it as "dark thoughts" with God, rather that He permits evil according to His Knowledge & Demands: whether to remove the peace He gives, or allowing Satan free rein, or even instigating circumstances where evil is manifest - for His purposes. Maybe 'creation of evil' is what God allows (by removing peace) rather than arising from His Person, which could never be true of One altogether Holy. Blessings.


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