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Isaiah 45 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Timothy
    Are you kidding me. The so called gap therory is no therory at all. I learned this in juniour high school.( Bad grammer). A asteriod hit this planet and kicked up so much dust the sun was blocked out and everything died. (Buy Dino). I learned that Clarence Larkin even new this 100 years ago as a bible scholar not a science major. Scripture time. Gen.1;28. Notice the word Replenish. Gen. 9;1. Same word, replenish (To put back). Isaiah 45;18. Now watch this. Psalms 104;6 & 2 Peter 3;5. Pretty cool ha. Job 38;30 says frozen. I hear many say Peter 3;5 refers to Noahs flood. They don't read to well. 2 Peter 3;6-7. Sorry I don't follow guidelines to well.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 9
    Hi James. I know, that word 'hate' can be very pointed & ugly, especially when seen in the Scriptures. We need to realize that 'hate' as seen here & other places, can have several meanings. The word in Greek is 'miseo', & of course, it does mean 'to hate' but also can have other meanings according to application, i.e. 'to detest, to love less, to esteem less'. So, it's not always an ugly uncontrolled emotion that is shown. You can think of Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Did the Lord mean to say that we are to feel such hatred for our family just so that we can truly follow Him? Or did He mean that we need to esteem Him more, putting Him first in everything even to giving our family second place?

    And then we have another conundrum as seen in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." I share this verse simply to demonstrate the usage & understanding of languages. In Isaiah, we read of two strange phenomena: God creating darkness & creating evil. Can a God Who is altogether Light & altogether Holy & Good create such things? Some might say, yes, because He is God. Rather we should consider that in light of Who God is, maybe the creation of darkness, is actually God removing His Light. Maybe the creation of evil, is God removing His Peace. Darkness is always the default just as is Evil the present default in the World. We enjoy both physical & spiritual Light because of God's intervention through Christ ( Colossians 1:16,17; John 8:12) - we also enjoy great quietness & enjoyment of life because God by His Spirit is holding back the full onslaught of evil ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).

    Therefore Romans 9:13 & Malachi 1:2,3 that speak of 'hating Esau', can only mean that Esau was hated (rejected) in God's Plan, just as Jacob was loved (accepted).
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother Adam:

    Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Philippians 2:11 And every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    You said when this happens you are saved.

    All mankind, at some point in this age or in the ages to come, is going to bow the knee and confess Jesus is Lord, therefore all mankind will be saved.

    Romans 14:11

    Isaiah 45:23

    Man cannot be in HELL and also CONFESSING JESUS IS LORD.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Leland,

    God has declared the end from the beginning, He is in total control and it is hard for us to grasp with our human minds. It is for His pleasure and His glory and His counsel shall stand Isaiah 46:10. It is beyond our understanding, like what God allowed Satan to do to Job. I was not blessed with children and I cannot pretend to know how I would feel if I lost every child I had, along with all I owned. Do we have that kind of faith? The times are coming for those who are living when the end of days begins, it will take that kind of faith.

    God uses people good and bad to do His will. Look at Pharaoh, God raised him to do His will Exodus 9:16. God named King Cyrus of Persia by name before he is even born to serve Him, Isaiah 45, and more.

    I feel Jesus answers this, God gave the disciples to Jesus, and Judas was given to fulfill scripture. God knew who he was and he is one of two who is called the son of perdition.

    John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Look and see
    Isaiah 45:22

    Look unto me , and be ye saved , all the ends of the earth ;For I am God , and there is none else .

    New Testament

    1 Timothy 1.1

    Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our saviour , and Lord Jesus Christ , which is our hope ; 2 unto Timothy, my own son in the faith : Grace , mercy ,and peace , from God our father and Jesus Christ our Lord .

    No mention of the Holy Spirit . Notice that . The Father and his Son Jesus Christ , who is the mediator between man and God .
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 12:50
    Brother Nic, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The Holy Spirit, through men, wrote the WORD(S) of God ( 2 Peter 1:21).

    To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to NOT BELIEVE the Words of God.

    Everyone blasphemes the Holy Spirit; until the Holy Spirit intervenes an CAUSES that person to BELIEVE ( Philippians 1:29).

    The word you have to believe are not just a few scriptures (words) but ALL the scriptures (words).

    Matthew 12:31-32 says they wont be forgiven in this AGE or in the AGE to follow.

    Do you know how many AGES God has ordain in the AGE that has no beginning and no end. No we don't know.

    God's word says that after this AGE and the AGE to follow, that they will be saved.

    Isaiah 26:9 ...When thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the earth will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Isaiah 45:23 ...That unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess ....

    Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow ......

    Philippians 2:11 And every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    1 Timothy 4:10 ...Who is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

    This is going to be fulfilled some time after this AGE and the AGE to follow.

    Sadly most don't believe these words of God.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Precious brother Chris, thanks so much for your kind words of encouragement! I did have your verse in my list of over 150 Scriptures for The LORD JESUS CHRIST As Being The Almighty God! It was #:

    113. JESUS CHRIST is Called "My God" ( John 20:28). Since there is "no other God" ( Isaiah 45:5) ( Isaiah 45:21-22), This Plainly And Clearly Declares, According To The Word Of Truth, That JESUS CHRIST is That God.

    Your Excellent statement: "We can note how Jesus never rebuked Thomas for exclaiming, "My Lord and my God," can Certainly be connected With Confirming Scriptures, about "rebuking worship," {# 9 on my Previous list...}:

    "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." ( Revelation 19:10)

    "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. ( Revelation 22:8-9)

    May you and all who "believe God's Word Of Truth," Please Be Richly Encouraged and Edified, waiting for our Great God And Saviour, JESUS CHRIST! ( Titus 2:13)

    brother Chris Endrizzi
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Part 2 The LORD JESUS CHRIST Is God Almighty

    9) JESUS CHRIST was WORSHIPPED!

    ( Matthew 2 : 11, 14 : 33, 28 : 9; Luke 24 : 52)

    Not once did JESUS Say, "See thou do it not,"

    as "an angel NOT to be worshipped,"spoke

    in Revelation 19 : 10, And, 22 : 8-9!

    Since ONLY The LORD God is to be worshipped!

    ( Exodus 34 : 14; Psalms 29 : 2, 45 : 11, 86 : 9, et al;

    Matthew 4 : 10; Luke 4 : 8; Revelation 22 : 9):

    Holy SCRIPTURE Clearly Teaches us JESUS CHRIST Is God!

    10) Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue"

    shall confess to GOD! ( Romans 14 : 11; Isaiah 45 : 21-23).

    The GOD "every tongue is confessing to,"

    Is The LORD JESUS CHRIST! ( Philippians 2 : 11)

    11) JESUS CHRIST Is Called The SAVIOUR!

    ( Luke 2 : 11; Acts 5 : 30-31, 13 : 23; Titus 1 : 4, 2 : 13)

    ( 2 Peter 1 : 1, 11, 2 : 20, 3 : 18, 1 John 4 : 14)

    ONLY Jehovah God ALONE Is The SAVIOUR!

    ( Isaiah 43 : 3, 11, 45 : 15, 21; Hosea 13 : 4; Luke 1 : 47)

    ( 1 Timothy 1 : 1, 2 : 3, 4 : 10; Titus 1 : 3, 2 : 10, 3 : 4; Jude 1 : 25)

    Therefore, JESUS CHRIST Is God!

    12) JESUS CHRIST Forgave sins! ( Matthew 9 : 2; Mark 2 : 5)

    ONLY GOD Can Forgive sins! ( Mark 2 : 7)

    Pure And Holy SCRIPTURE Teaches us ( Titus 2 : 13):

    JESUS CHRIST Is The Great God, The

    Only Saviour Who Can Forgive sin!!

    If we Deny HIS Deity, how can HE FORGIVEus our sins?

    After all, It isOnlyGod's OWNBLOOD( Acts 20 : 28 KJB!),

    That Has Power To "CLEANSE us From ALL sin!" Amen?

    to be continued...
  • Wkirk - in Reply
    have you not read?

    Isaiah 45:23

    I have sworn by myself[god], the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

    Romans 14:11

    For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    you have to admit it if Paul believed this how true must it be?
  • God is the Maker of Everything
    Isaiah 45:7-13

    I am the LORD, and there is no other.

    7 I form light and create darkness;

    I make well-being and create calamity;

    I am the LORD, who does all these things.

    8 "Shower, O heavens, from above,

    and let the clouds rain down righteousness;

    let the earth open, that salvation and righteousness may bear fruit;

    let the earth cause them both to sprout;

    I the LORD have created it.

    9 "Woe to him who strives with him who formed him,

    a pot among earthen pots!

    Does the clay say to him who forms it, WHAT ARE YOU MAKING?!!

    or 'Your work has no handles'?

    10 Woe to him who says to a father, 'What are you begetting?'

    or to a woman, 'With what are you in labor?'"

    11 Thus says the LORD,

    the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him:

    "Ask me of things to come;

    WILL YOU COMMAND ME, concerning my children and the work of my hands?

    12 I made the earth

    and created man on it;

    it was my hands that stretched out the heavens,

    and I commanded all their host.

    13 I have stirred him up in righteousness,

    and I will make all his ways level;

    Comment by Mishael:

    We are Gods creation too; each and everyone ever conceived in a woman's womb. Even babies who were not born.

    READ ROMANS CHAPTER ONE. We are without excuse. We all have enough intelligence to understand Someone made all of THIS.

    God knows His Purpose.

    If we do not read this Bible, we do not know what has happened and what happens next. Believe me, satan likes us in the dark, afraid and wondering.

    As in the book of John, chapter 3, we receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior; ask to be born again into Gods kingdom we will never be afraid again. Jesus will give us His Holy Spirit to comfort, teach, and totally reveal who Jesus is to US. He longs to comfort you.

    Like me, take him at his Word, and receive. This Bible will save us and our families and loved ones.

    Ask him to strengthen your weak faith. Receive it.

    Find the Testimonies Link and read some of those.
  • We were always in the heart of God
    Isaiah 45:18

    For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 30
    Hi Neumon. I believe you're referring to Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. Please correct me if you're thinking of other similar verses.

    If we read those passages as given & understood, then we're liable to believe that the "evil" being spoken of in both verses is a moral or sadistic evil constructed by God. However, we must turn to the Hebrew to interpret that word. In both cases, the word for "evil" is from the same root word: Rah; and in both instances 'evil' is meant to imply 'calamity or adversity'.

    So reading Isaiah 45:7: God both forms the light & creates darkness; if God chooses to remove the light, whether a physical light from the sun, we will have darkness. Or, He chooses to not give or prevent spiritual light coming to someone, then that mind lies in darkness (e.g. Ephesians 5:8, 1 Thessalonians 5:5).

    Similarly, with "I make peace & create evil": God can choose to bring peace into a situation or within a person, or He can withhold that peace, & calamity or adversity prevails. So, when it says that God creates 'evil', it's impossible for an Holy God to bring out some evil from within Himself, when no such evil can even exist in such holiness. But God can remove light & peace for His Own purposes, thereby leaving distress & calamity.

    Amos 3:6: in like manner, when a trumpet (of warning) is sounded, the people ought to be alerted & afraid of what's to come. If there is a calamity being struck in a city, shouldn't the inhabitants likewise be warned that maybe the Lord is trying to tell them something? Sometimes, not always, when we face an adversity or calamity in our lives, we need to seek the Lord's Face & examine our lives, lest there may be a word of warning from God for us. The Lord told Israel (through Amos) in verse 2: "You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." Israel was greatly blessed, but they likewise also faced much warning & punishment for their sins & departure from God.
  • Dustin - in Reply
    Chris,

    These are my comments structured around Isaiah 45:7.

    God creates the evil and is the letter that lets Satan prove us ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7).

    Satan and his angels would be defunct without God propping them up, needing them as an opponent to fulfill prophesy.

    God creates the evil until the 3 spirits are placed in the lake of fire, &

    God comes down for the first time to dwell face to face with the born again.

    God bless and pray for the homeless.
  • Chris - in Reply
    Michael. If you're thinking of Isaiah 45:7, please don't assume that there is any evil within the Godhead to produce evil. We need to understand that verse properly. Just as the LORD "formed the light", so too can He "create darkness". That is, when God chooses to remove the light, darkness remains - darkness is the default. God had to introduce light to dispel darkness ( Genesis 1:1-5); Jesus had to become Light unto men to reveal & dispel their inner darkness ( John 12:46).

    Likewise, God said, "I make peace and create evil". Evil came from the father of evil & sin, who is the devil. And the devil has controlled the world with his wickedness ( Ephesians 2:1-3). But in that overwhelming wickedness, the merciful God has still brought peace to the hearts & lives of many: to His people, Israel, if they obeyed: Psalm 119:165; Proverbs 16:7 and to all others who come to Him through the Cross of His Son ( John 14:27; Ephesians 2:13-18).

    But what happens when God chooses to remove His Peace? And what happens when God chooses to remove His Light? If Peace goes, evil will immediately take over - if Light is removed, darkness instantly prevails. So, God is not the author of evil, but that evil is the result when His Peace is removed; hence, as it is written, "I create evil", or, 'I have allowed evil to take hold (or, make evil happen), because I have removed My Peace'.

    Maybe if Satan was bound soon after him troubling mankind with evil, there would be no need for such verses that would require God to act against evil, but in the Wisdom of God & to make His Power, Love & Salvation known to all, we who have been drawn to & choose His Light & Peace, can always know His Power constantly working in us. But if that Light & Peace fades away in us, we know it's because we have given Satan a foothold in us, bringing us into darkness & sin.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Ginny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    It's better to to know what GOD SAYS than to say things that OPPOSE God's word.

    You says Satan created evil, this OPPOSES:

    Isaiah 45:7 I (GOD) form the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS.

    You say God gives us the choice to choose good are evil, this OPPOSES:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both to will and do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

    You say Satan was the highest angel in heaven and rebelled, this OPPOSES:

    Job 26:13 By his Spirit he garnished the heavens, his hand hath formed the CROOKED SERPENT.

    John 8:44 ...He (Satan) was a murder from THE BEGINNING (not perfect and fell), and abode not in the TRUTH ....
  • Richard Estrada
    Misheal,

    You missed the meaning of God's message to man; He's saying "know your place". That is my message to those putting weight on a false doctrine. There is no such thing as a "rapture", only a structured, 2 part resurrection.

    Isaiah 45:9

    9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
  • Chris - in Reply on Zephaniah 2
    Lenny, the way that I can understand this verse (in Isaiah 45:7), is to see the contrasts given therein. The Lord God says that He forms (creates) light. If that light is removed, the result is darkness. So in a sense, He has also created darkness (or, at least chosen not to remove that darkness by some other means, other than using light).

    Likewise, God makes (or, gives) peace. If He chooses to remove that peace, that absence of peace is unrest, war, turmoil (evil). So I don't believe the verse indicates that God specifically chooses to create evil (sin?), but when He removes peace & serenity from a person or from the world, the result is not good at all. Maybe we could ask, 'Why would God want to remove the peace He gives?' It could be for accomplishing of His purposes in man or in the world & to show man how deep his wickedness can go when God is not in his view & His Peace is not in Him. And we remember, that these words were spoken to Cyrus (verse 1), a Persian ruler, whom God used to accomplish His purposes on behalf of Israel. So these words came to remind Cyrus who this God of Israel was with Whom he was dealing with.
  • Lenny on Zephaniah 2
    Can you please explain this vers for me why would God creat evil.

    Isaiah 45 vs 7

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 9
    Without delving too deep in theology, Divine Election is essentially God choosing who are to belong to Him.

    We have the Old Testament references to God's choosing Israel: Isaiah 42:1; Isaiah 45:4; Isaiah 65:9; Matthew 24:22 (Matthew is still OT in this respect). Israel wasn't a nation at the time of God's choosing nor did its forefathers deserve anything for God choosing them, but that He wanted a "special people, to set His Love upon them, & to keep His Oath made to their forefathers" ( Deuteronomy 7:6-8).

    In the New Testament (post Cross), the Apostle Paul speaks of God's Elect as being from both Israel & the Gentiles: under "the election of Grace" (Romans chapter 11) and Colossians 3:12; 1 Peter 1:2.

    So we understand from Scripture, that God chooses whomever He desires to be His very Own. Yet, after the advent of Jesus Christ & His Sacrifice for all (Jew & Gentile), God's choosing is based on the Cross & yet the remnant of disbelieving Israel will still figure at the end times.

    Then maybe your question is in respect of how that Divine Election affects sinful mankind now: are some forever lost without hope, or are some dragged kicking & screaming into the Kingdom, none having any choice because of Divine Election? To answer this, God's choosing of those to be saved is entirely because of His Determination & His Plans. Since we know that God is an Omniscient God (He knows all things from eternity to eternity), His Plans must include those who come into the world, the life path they take, their hearing of the Gospel & their response to it.

    Acts 13:48: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." "Ordained to eternal life". This is election, showing that God, Who had appointed some to eternal life, followed through with believing on His Son. In other words, whom God chooses will be saved - those who refuse His Son are not part of the elect or chosen of God.
  • Vince - in Reply on Judges 7
    Hello Adam, where is Eve? Jokey joke.

    Insult on whom? I'm showing the fact that God knows all things and that He created evil and death for a purpose of a temporary earth. I know it's hard to believe, it was for me too, but it's plain to see in the word of God.

    If you can accept ISAIAH 45:7 about evil, then understanding will come easily. Remember the slaughtered lamb before the foundation of the world? There's no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood. The lamb's blood was shed only for sin before sin was. Don't you see the plan God is showing us?

    Why God did not allow Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of life after they sinned instead He put them out of the garden? The plan of salvation is not by eating or works but by the shedding of a sin free blood, God's own blood. God bless you
  • Vince - in Reply on Genesis 3
    To Ingrid Li,

    Notice God did not mentioned to Adam the tree of life until after Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And no, it was not the tree of wisdom. Wisdom is achieved through knowing good and evil, and understanding is to know the difference.

    You can more understanding this if you realize that Adam and Eve were both void of understanding which can only be achieved by knowing that the opposite of good is evil. Did you know that there are good and evil spirits? And that God created them both? You can find this in ISAIAH 45:7. God is the creator of both things seen and unseen. He, God created evil. He did so for a purpose, to give us knowledge and understanding so we can be wise to know God. I can go on forever on this, but I don't want to bore you or anyone else, so I'll stop here. God bless you
  • Vincent - in Reply on Judges 7
    Hi Richard, it's me again.

    Actually God said "you S H A L L surely die" referring to the entire creation that's why we see animals, trees and everything lives then die. You see, the whole concept of death is God's plan from the start. It's not because of Adam and Eve's sin that death came to the creation; Adam and Eve activated the death process by obedience to the spirit of evil which the serpent was possessed with. God created EVIL ( Isaiah 45:7) and did so for a purpose. God is the creator of all things seen and unseen. God also said in ( Isaiah 55:11) the words of His mouth will not go forth void, so when the words EVIL and DEATH left God's mouth they now become apart of His creation. When and where did God created EVIL? This happened in the garden of Eden where God said "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." This word evil left His mouth and will do it's purposed which is sin then sin will do it's purpose which is death.

    I pray you understand God's purpose of balance. By this I mean, everything has it's equal and it's opposite like left with right, back with front, top with bottom, hot and cold etc.

    God saw what He created was good but He never declared it so, therefore all things created was for a temporary purpose of knowledge and the next phase of God's creation will be the permanent and the everlasting perfection. The word evil will never be mentioned again, by then it's purpose would have been complete and will never ever be in existence. PRAISE THE LORD JESUS.
  • Adam - in Reply on Judges 7
    Hello, those are interesting questions. If you got a fishtank and stocked it full of fish, but noticed one fish harassing, assaulting, and killing the other fish through relentless mean attacks... would you show mercy to the 99% of the fish (peaceful) and kill the evil mean fish. Or would you show 'mercy' to the evil mean fish, and show no mercy or justice to the 99% of the fish and let them continue to suffer?

    Satan is pure evil and destroys countless lives, dragging everyone down. Why should evil be rewarded? Isn't rewarding evil actually harmful to everyone else who strives to do what is right?

    Maybe you like your community, like your family, and maybe have precious daughters you love. Let's say your state governor tried to show 'mercy' to a prisoner and let him out and he moved in next door. He was convicted of horrific crimes against young girls and now lives next door. And he's watching as your kids play out in the yard while you're at work. Are you 100% ok with that? What if he then assaults your daughters, are you still ok with that? Because mercy, right?

    The point is people often see one side of 'mercy' and don't always acknowlege that rewarding one person's evil can steal from others and harm them- and that's not truly merciful if you're harming others.

    So, why doesn't God just create a bunch of robots that are 100% perfect? He loved us enough to give us the freedom to choose. Which is more meaningful to you? If your spouse and kids be forced to say I love you, or if they say it voluntarily and mean it? The latter of course and that's one reason God gave you the freedom to choose to follow Him or not. He won't force you to spend eternity with Him if you don't want to.

    Finally, the 'evil' in Isaiah 45:7 means environmental evil like natural disasters, not a moral evil. God is perfect is cannot sin against Himself. He is loving and merciful and loves you enough to give you freewill. Most choose evil, but some choose good.

    God bless...
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Judges 7
    Why does God have to kill the devil, toss him in the lake of fire? Why can't Jesus baptize the devil, show him a little sympathy?

    If Isaiah 45:7 states that God creates the evil, then what is God's punishment?
  • Ajjos - in Reply on Acts 8
    No.

    Ezekiel 27 & 28 describes the King of Tyre as making himself a "god" and was called a "cherub" and referenced "Eden, the garden of God" This Cherub was "perfect" in beauty, faultless in his ways from creation onward until unrighteousness was found in him. Ez 27:3, 28:12,15

    Isaiah 42:12 Reference the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, David, Josiah, Ezekiel, John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles, etc. This Almighty God of Israel is the creator of all living things. In Psalms 83:18 he is called Jehovah God.

    If you look in one of the earliest King James Bible of 1611 you'll see that name. Most modern translations have removed that name and substituted it with Lord claiming since the original pronunciation was lost it makes sense to remove it as if the Almighty doesn't exist. Also the divine name Jehovah or Adhonai or Elohim in some translation appears in the Tetragrammaton close to 7000 times so removing the name removes the knowledge and understanding of the Almighty and creates confusion. He just wasn't a tribal God in Isaiah 54:5 it says "....He will be called the God of the whole earth." Psalm 124:8 Jehovah is called the maker of heaven and earth.

    Jesus who was a Jew also recognized the God of Israel as being Jehovah or Yahweh. Remember the Jewish clergy during the time of Jesus wanted to bring charges against Jesus in order to put him to death for blashemy so any of worship or acknowledgement he gave to any other god would have given them this opportunity. Plus Genesis 17:1, Isaiah 45:18, Psalm 83:18 refers to Jehovah God being one God. Deuteronomy 6:4,5 also call Jehovah one Jehovah. This is in harmony with Mark 12:29, Romans 3:29-30, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Timothy 2:5 all these scriptures refer to one God.

    For Jesus to believe in multiple gods or a triune god would be paramount to apostasy for a Jew and thus grounds for death. Also Roman Zeus was a triune god and existed during this time.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Isaiah 26
    Hi Marilyn, Evil didn't start in Eden, Isaiah 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. I think you are meaning "The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil" Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. What happened to man wants he ate of that tree? Genesis 3:7, And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were "NAKED"; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. naked in the bible often expresses sin exposed, and garments often expresses righteousness. Some would say Adam and Eve was clothed with light before the fall, The question is when did they become naked/sinful? When they bit of the fruit? I believe eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil revealed their nakedness to them, The issue was what they did afterwards, "clothed themselves". Their fall was no surprise to God, he set forth the plan of redemption before the world begun, 1st Peter 1:18-20. Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world. The scripture says by one man sin entered the world, not evil. I believe there is a difference between the two by means of definition. Apart from the Holy Spirit man is flesh and lost in the wilderness, and easy prey for Satan. In the millennium man will have a thousand years in the best conditions to evolve with Satan chained up, and prove himself. but after all those years of practice here is what happens. Revelation 20:7-8, And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. THKS
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

    These verses from verse 1 to 7, is a discourse to Cyrus, the Persian King, revealing Who this God is, Who will use the king as His instrument. So verse 7 comes as a further reminder to Cyrus that this God is unlike anyone else: He creates Light & He has the power to remove it (once Light from a source is removed, darkness prevails - it's the default with light's absence). He can bring about peace (or, happiness, prosperity) & also can remove that (thereby evil will become present & rampant, as a default state, with Satan's affectation upon man & the world). The Lord has the power to do all things, which the Persian gods could never do.

    To be able to correctly understand the 'behaviour' of a Holy God Who can do no evil, for evil is never present within Him, the only way that I can read this verse, is to know that the God Who creates, can also remove (i.e. the opposite is 'created') & not that God has any unjustified evil planned that He wants to create. However, it is true, God does bring on 'evil', as in consigning men to hell, but that comes as a justified punishment for man's disobedience & rejection of Him.
  • Jack Gutknecht on Isaiah 45:5
    Why would a loving God "create darkness" and "disaster"? ( Isaiah 45:7)

    7 I form the light and create darkness,

    I bring prosperity and create disaster;

    I, the Lord, do all these things. (NIV)
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 45:14
    That's a good 'catch', noticing the words, "there is no God" in Isaiah 45:14. In Hebrew, the LORD in the first part of the verse, is 'Yahweh', but in the latter part of the verse, it is "El" & "Elohim", which can used of the true God but allows for use of other gods, angels, kings or judges.

    So in context of the verse, these others (gentiles) that come to Israel will come in brokenness & humility, and acknowledging that "God (El) is the God with Israel, & there is no god (Elohim), there is none else". So it is the cry of the gentiles, though not coming to faith in the true God of Israel, did however acknowledge that there is none beside Him. Since they didn't know the true God as Israel knew God, the word 'El, Elohim' is being used to signify this.
  • Wayne - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1:26
    Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


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