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  • Roman - in Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4
    Kay,

    I appreciate your knowledge, here. Jesus also comes symbolically at the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, the day named after Him. Jesus comes like a thief to lay the land desolate (both houses of Israel).

    Jesus participates at the falling away in Spirit:

    Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even the LORD], and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not, 6th trumpet.

    Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, 6th trumpet.

    Joel 2:9 Jesus comes in at the windows "like a thief" at the day of the Lord.

    God even calls the beast army, "His army", and praises anti-christ's might, Joel 2:11

    Everything Jesus warns us about is facilitated through anti-christ's scriptural actions against us. Jesus warns us of a surprise attack, a sudden strike, then we find out that that's what anti-christ is preparing for a year, month, day and hour. Jeremiah 15:6-9 "I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and terrors upon the city".

    As a cautionary note about the day of the Lord and America:

    Ezekiel 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
  • Roman - in Reply on Isaiah 13
    Isaiah 13 showcases the day of the Lord attack as the letter lets it happen to us; flames on faces, oblivious to where it comes from. If you think today is bad, wait till you see what's coming.

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  • Roman - in Reply
    Alex,

    Daniel 12:1 is talking about the day of the Lord, the 6th trumpet strike, the fall of Babylon, the abomination of desolation, the great tribulation. The world will turn into a curse.

    Ezekiel 38 talks of two clouds to cover the land. Ezekiel 21:19-20 talks about attacking 2 nations from one land. These two lands represent America and Israel, both houses of Israel, Gods people.

    Ezekiel 21 has several depictions of Israel, "my people" vs 12 as being the subject of the slaughter.

    The attack is against America, Israel and every nation allied with America. Isaiah 24:20 states the earth will be hit so hard that it will be knocked of its axis, the sun and moon will refuse to shine 1/3rd the day as a result.

    Who will stop Russia besides nobody, Rev 13:3; they have God on their side. Isaiah 13:1-6, they come from a far country, "even the Lord with them". Joel 2:11, the Lord uttered His voice before "His army". God is preparing the sixth trumpet army (Russia) to annihilate the fifth trumpet army (US) to dust, Revelation 9.

    Nothing like reading about it in real time, just as the little horn Daniel 7:8 starts to make his move.

    Day of the Lord: Isaiah 13, Isaiah 21:1-9, Isaiah 24, Isaiah 47, Ezekiel 21:1-24, Ezekiel 38:1-17, Jeremiah 50 & 51, Joel 2:1-11, Revelation 18 & Luke 21:20-24 (Israel's fall in same hour).
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    This Forum is a bit confusing at times.

    Who, or what post, are you replying to?

    The only thing I can think you may be talking about is Isaiah 13:9

    This passage, from verse 9-11 - Isaiah 13:9-11 - matches up perfectly with the Matt. 24:29-31 passage where Jesus returns immediately after the Tribulation and lays the earth desolate while destroying the sinners thereof out of it. It is one of at least a handful of texts, 'outside' of Rev. 20:1-7, that proves the Millennium doctrine of 'time after Christ's return' to be completely unbiblical.
  • Cecil - in Reply
    Chris,

    I study in with wonderment, no fear, but I know what you mean.

    The judgment is against Babylon, and the rest of the world, but specifically 2 lands. The world past the 6th trumpet will be a curse.

    When America receives the abomination of desolation ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11, Revelation 18), Israel is invaded at the earthquake ( Revelation 6:12) and taken.

    Ezekiel prophetically gives the blueprint that 2 lands, both houses of Israel (Israel & Judah) are to be attacked by Gog, Esau, king of the north, Russia, and soundly taken.

    ( Ezekiel 21:19-20)

    19 Also, thou son of man, appoint thee two ways, that the sword of the king of Babylon may come: both twain shall come forth out of one land: and choose thou a place, choose it at the head of the way to the city.

    20 Appoint a way, that the sword may come to Rabbath of the Ammonites, and to Judah in Jerusalem the defenced.



    Anti-christ rules everything. He rebuilds the temple in Jerusalem where he claims to be God. Jesus said, "Israel will be trodden underfoot 42 months by the Gentiles."

    ( Luke 21:24) And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    ( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.

    "smite upon thy thigh" is a reference to Jacob receiving a wound in the 'hollow of his thigh' after wrestling the angel for the birthright. It coincides with the end-times because the great tribulation (6th trumpet) is referred to as Jacob's time of trouble. America is co-lead for the house of Israel. The Ashkenazim (Japheth) in Israel represent Judah ( Gen 10:2-3).

    Prepare for the 6th trumpet, judgment day. God's people are in trouble.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Aaron, the verses that you are making the final word on the matter are verses from a book that has no literal, nor linear, translation whatsoever.

    The last word in Mt.24:29 is shaken: (followed by a semi-colon: ) that means that the next word was part of the same sentence in the original writing.

    Isaiah 13:9-11 reveals itself to take place on the exact same day as Mat. 24:29-31 with specific 'signature' descriptions of events.

    If your only evidence is Revelation, don't waste your time replying. God is not the author of confusion; what you are claiming, my friend, is nothing short of the epitome of confusion. Jesus wouldn't have SPOKEN the words in verse 29-30 if He was hiding something in between. And if He HAD BEEN, He would've cleared it up in scripture just as He did with the Wheat and Tares doctrine of Mt. 13.

    1 Cor. 15:22-24 makes crystal clear that THE END comes IMMEDIATELY after Christ's return.

    "... in Christ shall ALL be made alive.... every man in his own order: Christ (IS) the firstfruits (there is NO COMMA after Christ there); afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. THEN COMETH THE END, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

    And why does He turn everything over to the Father immediately after His return? Because it is HIS KINGDOM as we speak. The devil has been 'bound/restrained' from having any power over True Christians besides what they give him power over.

    "For the (power of sin) doth already work: only He who now (restrains will restrain), until He be taken out of the way."

    2 Cor. 2:7

    "For the Lord ... shall descend from Heaven ... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive...shall be caught up...to meet the Lord... SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD."

    1 Cor. 4:16-17

    No 1,000 year trial period whatsoever.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Roman,

    "... as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of Man. They...(ate, drank and married)... until THE DAY that Noah entered the Ark, and the flood came, and destroyed THEM ALL. (The sinners are not destroyed 1,000 years later)

    Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; ... THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from Heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL.

    Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed."

    Luke 17:26-30

    And when is He revealed?

    AFTER the Great Tribulation, on the LAST DAY of this world, NOT 1,000 years later.

    Mt. 24:29-31

    John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

    "... the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, ...cast into the sea, ...When it was full, they ... gathered the good into vessels, but CAST THE BAD AWAY. (They didn't SAVE the bad for 1,000 years.)

    So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and SEVER THE WICKED from among the just, and shall CAST THEM INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE: ..."

    Mat. 13:47-50

    The wicked will be SEVERED from the just on THE DAY that Jesus returns, and they will be destroyed along with the rest of the earth.

    Isaiah 13:9-11

    You mentioned something about this next passage, the order of the firstfruits?:

    "...they that are Christ's at His coming. (shall be made alive) Then COMETH THE END, when He shall have DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, even the Father; WHEN HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN ALL RULE and all authority and power."

    1 Cor. 15:22-24

    And why does Jesus hand over HIS kingdom to the Father on the SAME DAY that He returns? BECAUSE IT WAS HIS KINGDOM from the time of the Cross until His return. He does NOT hand it over 1,000 years AFTER His return.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Israel of God, the Children of God, are a Spiritual Race, not a physical ethnic race. How can we be sure?

    "God is a Spirit"

    John 4:24

    "... Israel is My son; even My first-born:"

    Exod. 4:22

    If God is a Spirit, His children must be of the Spirit; not a physical race of people who are centralized in one place in the world. God told us He would strike the Shepherd (Jesus) and the sheep would be scattered. The Israel/Children of God are among every race and in every corner of the world.

    "... They which are the children of THE FLESH, these are NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: ..."

    Rom. 9:8

    The Children of the Spirit are of God; THEY are the True Israel.

    The Day of the Lord in Joel is the same as in Isaiah 13:9-11 & Matt. 24:29-31. It is the Wrath of God, final day judgment. Jesus returns on the very last day of the world which eliminates the possibility of a Millennium period BEFORE these things take place.

    Jesus tells us in John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; John 11:24 & John 12:48 that He is coming on the Last Day of the world. That is the SAME DAY that the Wrath of God takes place. That's why it is called the Lord's (Jesus') Day.

    These verses coincide perfectly with the Matt. and Isaiah verses above.

    "A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, ..."

    Joel 2:2

    "The earth shall quake ... the heavens shall tremble: the sun and moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army: for the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?"

    Joel 2:10-11

    "...let the Bridegroom go forth of His chamber, and the bride out of her closet. (this is Jesus returning for His saints on the same day as the Wrath of God/Day of the Lord - coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31)

    "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible Day of the Lord come."

    Joel 2:31

    There is no place for 1,000 yrs between Jesus' return and the Wrath of God. It does not fit.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Many people try to claim that events in scripture coincide with certain Trumpet Events, and therefore MUST be held to a certain order of events listed in Revelation. The book of Revelation makes very clear that it is all vision, symbols and spiritual events. As I've shown, Rev. 20:1-7 is contradicted by many prior events in the book of Revelation and thus cannot be taken as literal or LINEAR. Too many events in Revelation contradict 20:1-7 before it even begins.

    God makes very clear to us in His Word using 'signature events' to create undeniable proof of the things that line-up in scripture to create a rock-solid foundation for specific doctrine. The 'Day of the Lord, Wrath of God, return of Jesus' is one of those events - the same event. And I have supplied the passages that reveal this very clearly.

    Matthew 24:29-31

    and

    Isaiah 13:9-11

    Signature events:

    "...the stars of heaven and the constellations ... shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened ... the moon shall not cause her light to shine."

    Isaiah 13:10

    "Immediately after the Tribulation ... shall the sun be darkened,... the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:..."

    Matt. 24:29

    Same day, same event. The Day of the Lord (Jesus')/Wrath of God destruction of the earth and all sinners and the return of Jesus Christ.

    The Wrath of God:

    "Behold the Day of the Lord (Jesus) cometh, cruel both with WRATH and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it."

    Isaiah 13:9

    "And I will PUNISH THE WORLD for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."

    Isaiah 13:11

    These events happen on the same exact day, the 'very last day' of the earth. How do we know? Jesus Himself tells us plainly many times in the book of John.

    John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

    The Millennium is False Doctrine.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi SolaScrip.

    As promised I would respond to your reply when time permits.

    You said Isaiah 65 "is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium."

    I have to disagree, here's why.

    Isaiah 65:20 . There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

    This can't be after the Millennium, Because after the Millennium there is a new heaven and new earth and there is no death in Heaven.

    Revelation 21:1-3.

    Revelation 21:4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Can't be the Millennium, people die in the Millennium.

    Isaiah gives along with so many other scriptures gives us a picture of what is to come in the Millennium.

    In Revelation 20. we see the Millennium and we see the final judgment of mankind and the weakness of the flesh displayed while under the perfect governing.

    Isaiah 65:17. Gives us what's to come after the judgment.

    Isaiah 65:18-25. reflects back on the Millennium.

    These verses you mentioned in Mathew 24 and Isaiah 13 comes before the Millennium.

    You mentioned Revelation 10:6. means time ended.

    I believe Revelation 10:6. means there will be no more delay. It's a confirmation of the words Christ in his Olivet discourse.

    You said The thousand years period is not mentioned nowhere in scripture but Revelation 20. But it's mentioned 6 times in Ch 20! It's pretty clear it's literal.

    You said Revelation is symbolic.

    The Amillennium view holds those views. I suppose the Devil is symbolically chained today in the midst of the 1000 years if so when will he be loosed or is he already loosed?

    I will share more at a later date.

    God bless you.
  • Aaron - in Reply
    SolaScript,

    This isn't an argument I like, simply because we are not getting the whole picture, it's a dream state in Plato's cave.

    I'm dismayed to report that your context lacks continuity:

    Revelation 6 describes subsequent seals, through sixth seal events that lead up to and are actually kicks off (vs 12) the day of the Lord. You must have got mixed up here, made a mistake in scripture selection.

    Revelation 7:13-14 These are the 7th trumpet saints, resurrected from the great tribulation and standing in heaven, they were previously getting sealed in verses 1-8.

    Matthew 24:29-31 This sequence tells of the 6th trumpet (vs 29) and the 7th trumpet 2nd coming of Christ (vs 30). They are 2 separate events in time.

    Isaiah 13:9-11 This is a classic 6th trumpet, day of the Lord depiction.

    Revelation 7:15-17 OK, this is a millennium scripture.

    The earth was not ever fully destroyed, and that is the absolute reason why Jesus intervenes on our affairs. Jesus returns when he does to stop anti-christ's feuding army from completely blowing up the earth. God lures the beast to Armageddon, where originally the beast was going to fight the false prophet to the death, until Christ showed up. If Jesus didn't save the earth, then whats the point of a savior? He didn't die on the cross in vain. I strongly believe you are reading this wrong, and limited sources doesn't help much.

    Daniel 7:12 will manifest itself in our realm, like anti-christ will manifest himself after the falling away. The other beasts are nations, and peoples, not figments of God's imagination. These characters are real nations and real people, doing the Lord's will. The same on earth as in heaven, so above, so below. We are soon moving on to a new age, and changes are on the way.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply on Isaiah 33
    Hi Richard.

    The Millennium doctrine maintains that the judgment will not come until after the 1,000 years. Your first sentence contradicts that right off the bat.

    You are actually correct about everything up to the Millennium part. The Tribulation will come, then immediately after that Jesus returns, gathers His saints and the Wrath of God destruction of the earth (judgment of the earth and all sinners) ensues. After that is the New Heaven and New Earth. No Millennium time period at all. Jesus just reigns for eternity after all that. This coincides perfectly with these main end time verses.

    Matt. 24:29-31

    Isaiah 13:9-11

    And does not coincide whatsoever with Rev. 20:1-7. Look at Rev. 19 and you will see that sinners and the beast and false prophet are already gone before Rev. 20 even begins. That's why you can't translate chapter 20 literally OR linearly. Chapter 10 tells us all time stops. ???

    The small portion of scripture from Rev. 20:1 to 20:7 cannot be confirmed by any other scripture anywhere in the Bible. If you look at it enough, you will see this.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Hi Aaron.

    One of the conditions of the Millennium time period doctrine is that it must take place on the physical earth 'prior' to the earth's destruction. The 144, 000 are discussed in Rev. 7. Herein lies the problem. Rev. 6 describes the return of Christ and the Wrath of God 'destruction', and falling apart of the earth. Rev. 7:13-14 coincides perfectly with Matt. 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11. Also, Rev. 7:15-17 describes these people being in a heavenly/spiritual realm, not a physical one. The earth has already been destroyed at this time and the Millennium cannot be happening because its doctrine states that the earth will be the same throughout the 1,000 years and the New Heaven and New Earth will not come until after the Mill.

    Daniel 7:12 also has a similar problem. It is all a symbolic, spiritual 'vision' - not literal. Verse 13 reads:

    "I saw in the 'night visions' and behold one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. ... His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."

    The Ancient of Days is a Spirit and resides in the spirit realm. John 4:24

    An everlasting dominion which shall not pass away and a kingdom which shall not be destroyed does not say anything at all about a 1,000 year trial period of time. No Millennium verses here. This is all symbolic vision and/or things taking place in the spirit realm. They cannot be speaking of the Millennium doctrine.
  • Aaron - in Reply
    I almost forgot to mention, it appears you have Isaiah 13:9-11 out of context. That chapter portrays the day of the Lord, the fall of Babylon in graphic detail. Regardless, you did an outstanding job covering this topic.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Hi Mishael.

    The Millennium doctrine is based only upon 7 verses in Rev. 20:1-7, but that is a symbolic, visionary, spiritual prophecy that is not to be taken literally or in a linear understanding. Rev. 10 speaks of all time coming to an end while Rev. 19 speaks of the beast and false prophet being destroyed along with all sinners left in the world. By the time Rev. 20:1-7 begins, it has already been contradicted multiple times in Revelation itself. It is not to be taken literally. Matthew 24:29-31 and Isaiah 13:9-11 coincide perfectly showing Christ's return AFTER the Great Tribulation (there is NO Pre-Trib Rapture) and He gathers His people immediately before the Wrath of God destruction of the earth and all sinners.

    There is no reconciling all those verses without taking the Millennium event of Rev. 20 out of literal interpretation.

    The end times will include a Great Tribulation which all Christians will have to endure. Some will be converted to the antichrist faith out of fear and desperation. Some will be killed for their faith and refusal to denounce Christ and some will live throughout that time until the very end ( Matthew 24:29-31) when Jesus will come in an unimaginably dramatic fashion and every eye will see Him. ( Rev. 1:7) He will gather the remnant of His people and then God's Wrath will destroy the earth and all sinners therein as well as the devil, the beast and the false prophet. Then the New Heaven and New Earth will come about and Jesus' "Heavenly"(not physical earthly) reign will ensue.

    Happy to discuss further if you'd like to address specific verses. It is very important for Christians to understand this information. Some would argue it is not salvific (does not concern salvation), but it very much does. Please review the verses I presented and respond with any questions.

    Thank you and God bless.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    King James and Strong's is all I use. Been studying scripture, cover to cover, for well over a decade. Jer. 17 speaks of the Sabbath. You are claiming that is speaking of a thousand year period instead of the 7th Day Sabbath which is what the Bible is referring to there. There is no mention anywhere there of a 1,000 year period. By default, you are claiming that the days of Creation were thousand year periods as well which is not Biblical. Each day statement ends with the word day, regardless of the 'evening and morning' comment. ... the first Day, ... the second Day, etc. Not 1,000 year periods of time. Leviticus 23:32 makes plain what God intended to convey with the Creation week account. The Sabbath was taken from than account ( Gen. 2:2-3) and the Lev. verse tells us it is one 24 hr day.

    Proverbs 1 says nothing about a 1,000 year period.

    James 5, as well, says nothing at all about a 1,000 yr period of time. The only possible reference there is to the return of Christ and maybe the Wrath of God. Neither of which contain a 1,000 yr period of time. Matthew 24:29-31 presents the one and only return of Jesus and details many of the beginnings of the destruction of the earth at that very time. Millennium doctrine does not allow for destruction of the earth until after the 1,000 years. It is not supported by scripture anywhere outside of Rev. 20:1-7 which is symbolic or takes place in the spirit, not literal/physical. Isaiah 13:9-11 supports the same as Mt. 24:29-31.

    2 Tim. 2 does not mention any 1,000 yr period of time. There is no support of the Mil. The only verse that could come close is 2:12 about 'reigning with Him.' That is not a reference to a Mil. time period, it is a reference to 1 Cor. 6:17 - our spirit being joined to the Lord at this very moment if we are 'IN' Christ

    Please post 'specific' verses or passages if you wish to continue so that we can get right down to Hebrew/Greek 'word meanings' if necessary. Posting entire chapters is a waste of time.
  • SolaScrip - in Reply
    Between your post and mine, what I stated was very matter of fact and impersonal. Yours was defensive. I certainly didn't call you out personally and if what I posted was perceived as a threat to you, you did not have to reply.

    The Isaiah passage you quoted was very long and general. It does mention the New Heaven and New Earth, though. That is not part of the Millennium doctrine, it is said to come after that time frame. The Millennium doctrine claims that the earth will remain as is for the 1,000 year period and not be destroyed, or made new, until after that time period. Also, New Heaven and New Earth can imply a heavenly/spiritual time, which supports my position that the Millennium is not supported by any scripture outside of Revelation.

    In the Rev. 20 passage, thrones are mentioned as well as souls of the beheaded. This strongly implies a heavenly/spiritual dimension, not physical. Beheaded souls cannot be alive in the physical. The mention of thrones echoes Daniel 7:9 which speaks of a heavenly/spiritual realm of existence where the Ancient of Days is upon the throne.

    Revelation is highly symbolic and non-literal, even the intro says so. John himself states that he was "in the spirit" on three, or more, occasions. There are some things in Revelation that are backed by multiple other scriptures outside of the book itself, but the Millennium reign has no support at all. The rest of scripture makes the case clearly that Jesus will return, gather His people and the Wrath of God destruction, and wiping out of sinners, will ensue. It is then that the New Heaven and New Earth will begin. Not a thousand years after, and not before the Wrath of God destruction and final judgment of all sinners.

    Matthew 24:29-31

    Isaiah 13:9-11

    Revelation 10 describes all time ending, long before Revelation 20 - which tells us we cannot take Revelation literally or in a linear perception.

    I will have to address the other contradictions in my next post. No more characters allowed
  • Chris - in Reply
    Linda. There are two references to this: Isaiah 13:9.10 and Joel 3:14-16.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Joshua 1:9
    Genius 1:16

    Amos 5:8

    1 Corinthians 15:14

    Genius 2:4

    Psalms 115:16 (space) the lack of breathable atmosphere, radiation, medical complications?

    Psalms 147:4

    Psalms 136:9

    Revelation 6:13

    Job 25:5

    Job 9:7

    Job 22:12

    Psalms 8:3

    Joel 2:10 Eclipse? Ezekiel 32:7 , Isaiah 50:3

    Isaiah 13:10

    Isaiah 40::22

    Hopefully these scripture verses help you better research the Bible & what more it says about Earth, and space. There are more.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 2 Thessalonians 2:11
    Precious friends, 'Which' Day are we, The Body Of CHRIST 'To look, watch, and wait for'?

    Please prayerfully/Carefully Consider, for Encouragement and Comfort ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

    The Day Of CHRIST:

    "Mystery" CHURCH: Designated as the "Heavenly" Day of CHRIST, Which Will Be The Day Of the consummation of our salvation (into glorification!), And, Presenting of our "rewards!" (Phi 1:6; Phi 1:10; Philippians 1:6,10, Phi 2:16; 1 Corinthians 1:8, 1 Co 3:8-15; 2 Corinthians 1:14).

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Day Of The LORD:

    Israel's KINGDOM: Designated as the "Earthly" Day Of The LORD, which will be, first

    of all, a day of Judgment to be followed by the establishment of the Kingdom!

    ( Isaiah 13:9-16, Isa 24:21-23, Isa 26:20-21, Isaiah 34:1-35:10; Isa 34; Isa 35:1-10; Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15, Joe 2:1-11, Joel 2:1-11; Amos 5:16-20; Obadiah 1:15-21; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Zephaniah 14:1-21; Malachi 4:1-6; Matthew 25:31-46; Acts 2:19-21)

    Portion of C.R. Stam Article: Link

    or:

    (Full Article: "The Day of the Lord -- What Is It?" - by Pastor Cornelius R. Stam)

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)
  • Smith - in Reply on Isaiah 46
    You can't see the connection besides the obvious, that both Cyrus and anti-christ destroy Babylon? You can't see similarities between the attacks? Much of what God proclaims of Cyrus can be found in anti-christ.

    Anti-christ posses every characteristic that previous empires boasted, to include Persia. ( Daniel 7)

    The references are short and subtle here, but none the less, the association is evident. Don't sell yourself short on the depth of richness offered by the prophets.

    Isaiah 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

    Isaiah 13:5 They come FROM A FAR COUNTRY, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
  • William - in Reply on Isaiah 46
    This reveals shared anti-christ traits, his many descriptions, here a ravenous bird from the east that executes God's will. It is all connected, even in small ways. God holds the right hand of Cyrus, sanctified in him to do God's will, like anti-christ.

    Below you can see the similarity, the order, God is one with anti-christ (like Cyrus) in battle, and is delighted with His army that's about to destroy Babylon. God even calls anti-christ's army "His sanctified ones" (like Cyrus). This theme mirrors many other accounts, for example:

    ( Isaiah 13:1-7) specifically vs 5:

    1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

    2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

    3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

    4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

    5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
  • Jason - in Reply on Isaiah 46
    This is about anti-christ, his many descriptions, here a ravenous bird from the east that executes God's will. Below you can see God is one with anti-christ in battle, and is delighted with His army that's about to destroy Babylon. God even calls anti-christ's army "His sanctified ones". This theme mirrors many other accounts, for example:

    ( Isaiah 13:1-7) specifically vs 5:

    1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.

    2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.

    3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

    4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

    5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
  • Jason - in Reply
    How is it possible that Jesus returns before anti-christ completes his 42 months of rule, between the 6th & 7th trumpets? Unless you are talking about 6th trumpet Jesus, who 'comes like a thief' to install the abomination of desolation on the whole house of Israel, you are mistaken. God comes with anti-christ's army ( Ezekiel 38:4) to destroy Babylon and put the world in great tribulation.

    The Jesus you are looking for is the 7th trumpet Jesus, standing on the hill with His 144 thousand saints. I have been telling you this for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, but you refuse to take instruction. Study the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord ( Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11, Revelation 18) as we are approaching our visitation.
  • Henry - in Reply on 1 Kings 4
    There is no healing America otherwise known as Babylon the great! According to prophecy it is going to receive ICBMs from Russia and China and be nuked out of existence. Read Isaiah 13 and 14 Ezekiel 25.

    This is the end of reign of the wicked. Esau-Edom are finished. The American empire is crumbling! A nation that was established on the genocide of the so called native Indians (Israelites of the northern kingdom) Then built on the backs of so called blacks (Israelites of the southern kingdom) during the transatlantic slave trade. 2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.
  • John Carter - in Reply
    S Spencer,

    I hope there's room for more opinions.

    Jesus' hid message is also for our time, and how the sixth trumpet is misunderstood until it's not ( Isaiah 13, Revelation 18).

    Thy visitation = the day of the Lord attack upon God's people.

    The last half of the week, suddenly becomes the great tribulation.

    This is what Jesus warns about, what the people didn't see. His day of judgment.
  • Gertrude Hasmaris
    Sacha,

    You are a dear, bless your heart, may you and your lucky husband prosper in heart. The other thread was closed for fundamental vanity, so I'm posting on the main page, cause I like you in a very normal 90's way. I was the 1st one to answer your poll, and I'll add another one. God is gifting you spiritual thoughts that turn into truth goosebumps.

    What's happening now has always been happening since the inception of UK/US & others, state propaganda, but now, with tech, it's too hard to hide their exploits. Poor Iran, getting bullied by Israel; I can picture the pillar of thick black smoke, as new years day draws closer. These war developments will be answered with the usual smattering of unrest, then suddenly continents go dark ( Isaiah 13:11).

    I meditate, have a float tank and it is the best get away for my mind, a reset. My night visions are vivid and directly connected to scripture, no man made doctrines or theories for me. Heaven's Gate can wait, Jim Jones can roll the bones.
  • Johnathan Taylor - in Reply
    S Spencer,

    I don't see evidence supporting anyone other than the 144k firstfruits being of the first resurrection. The group in Revelation 5 that live as kings and priests, are the 144k. What the 144k do for a thousand years is symbolic ( Revelation 7:15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. The 144k are the church, they are the bride. They are Christ-like. They are the only group officially sealed. Revelation is peppered with them in 7 chapters, illustrated in allegory or metaphor to subtly let you know something is afoot.

    I found a scripture that would bolster your belief ( Isaiah 13:15). It's for pre-tribbers, but don't tell them.

    ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Everything hinges on this description, then weighing out the billions of people who will attend. It could be that Paul, who's part of the elect 24, was describing his fellow saints rising. I understand your position, better to be a seventh trumpet riser, than the others. What other scripture supports your doctrine? I will spend some time researching this and other scriptures that lend clarity.

    In summary, it all depends on how you interpret scripture, or if you're strongly committed to an ideology to alter. I have looked in the web at what others think about prophesy, scholars, and my interpretations all all to myself. I want God to grade my Bible IQ when we're face to face (2nd resurrection).
  • Thomas Wanderlay - in Reply
    Bill M,

    I noticed I placed the wrong chapter, it's ( Isaiah 13:5-8)


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