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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Chris,

    Part two,

    Hebrews 2:7 Jesus was fully human and was tempted just as we are Hebrews 4:15 God cannot be tempted, James 1:13. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Philippians 2:9 again my understanding is all was in and through Jesus in the plan and forethought in the mind of God, logos.

    1 Peter 1:19-20 Yes in God's plan my understanding the Greek is not by whom but through whom the Greek word dia, same as in John 1:3 it is through Him not by Him. In Jesus and through Jesus being the first in God's plan came everything like you said "God's Plan & Purpose for redemption" the new creation that was in God's plan.

    Jesus was the beginning in God's plan and was begotten in Mary's womb. Like today where you and I are to God it is the same as if we were there with Him on the new earth and His plan has been completed. He is the beginning and the end, and it started with Jesus His Son before any creation and in and through Jesus came all and in the fulness of time He was brought forth into the world.

    As in John 1 God's word was manifested in the flesh of His Son Jesus. When Jesus was anointed and became the Messiah/Christ by the Holy Spirit, God was in Jesus and the words Jesus spoke were God's words. The light that shined through Jesus was God, the works were done by the Spirit of God in Jesus, all was done for the glory of God.

    I know you may not agree but that is my understanding and if you have any other questions, I will reply to the best of my ability, I own you that. Can I answer all, no I cannot, there are many verses that I am still in search of the truth of.

    Love you brother and God bless.

    RLW
  • Chris - 1 month ago
    To Brother Ronald Whittemore & others. I'm unable to respond to Ronald's last response to me, as the Reply button is missing (probably purposely done to limit the comments in that thread). So this one comes as a new Thread to address those matters.

    Page 1.

    Thanks again Ronald, and I note that you would like a recess on this discussion. But if I might briefly address the Scriptures you shared & why I believe that they don't answer the question, 'was Jesus' first appearance only from the womb of Mary, or did He exist in another Form within the Person of God?'

    To your references:

    1 Corinthians 15:47: "the second man is the Lord from Heaven" (not a Man Who became Lord, Who went into Heaven & then returned to Earth as Lord from Heaven - but the Lord Who was in Heaven & came to Earth, unlike the first man, Adam, Who was created from the Earth & back to the Earth he went).

    1 Timothy 2:5: yes, Jesus is the Mediator now between God & mankind after His ascension.

    Matthew 1:20, Acts 17:31, Revelation 12:5: yes again, all point to Jesus as a Man/Babe Who came from God - but no direct reference to any previous existence.

    Hebrews 1:5: indeed, Jesus became the Son of God by virtue of this miraculous Birth, but then God would have created another god, because 'all the angels of God are to worship Him'; & none can receive worship but God alone. You asked, "How could God say I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son if Jesus eternally existed with the Father?" Because God took His Word & gave Flesh to that Word, and this Flesh was brought into the World by the Work of God, which made this One called Jesus, God's Son. Jesus only became the Son of God at the Incarnation.

    Hebrews 2:7: Jesus was made "a little lower than the angels" by virtue of His Humanity. It seems there is an order of created beings before God: the angels being above humanity, of which Jesus was made, thus subjecting Him to being our equal.

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  • Tunney on Leviticus 5 - 2 months ago
    As Believers, we know that the LORD JESUS CHRIST is our only answer for the trials and troubles we are going through today in the Middle East and in our nation here in the USA. Let us, as saints, be faithful, diligent, and obedient to HIS Word.

    Hebrews 2:

    1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

    2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

    3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

    GOD bless our leaders in DC with the mind of CHRIST through HIS salvation. The LORD to shine HIS face on our state and local leaders in CHRIST name. Bless our pastors and true believers to lift up HIS name at all times through our conversation, witness and testimony.

    January 13, 2024 Galatians 5:16
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Ronald.

    Part 2.

    You gave your understanding that in Hebrews 2:17-18 Hebrews 14:2 1 John 4:2-3 to mean that Jesus was a living soul like you and me except He was anointed without measure with the Spirit of God?

    Ronald, I don't hold the view that Jesus was a living soul.

    Jesus wasn't born of Adam. He was of the seed of the woman! (That is very different and have meaning of specially done! Something I want have time to get into at the moment. Perhaps others would.

    You mentioned Hebrews 2:17-18, Hebrews 2:14 and 1 John 4:2-3. Those scriptures say the Jesus came in the flesh.

    Yes, he did!

    1 Timothy 3:16 tells us who came in the flesh and where he returned.

    "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    He came to condemn sin in the flesh as our Kinsman redeemer, something only he could do, "being of the seed of the woman" and not of Adam.

    These are my beliefs Ronald.

    I will speak on the kinsman Redeemer when time permits.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Hi S Spencer,

    If I may ask, not to debate but just for my study and better understanding, Your reply to GiGi, It had to be the last Adam; A life-giving Spirit!! Not a living soul. This comes from 1 Corinthians 15, "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit". Forgive me if I misunderstood what you said (not a living soul).

    I understand Jesus was made a quickening spirit when He was resurrected. What do you mean by not a living soul? My understanding is that in Hebrews 2:17-18 Hebrews 14:2 1 John 4:2-3 would that not mean Jesus was a living soul like you and me except He was anointed without measure with the Spirit of God?

    Thanks, brother,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - 3 months ago
    To condemn sin in the flesh.

    What does that mean and can anyone born of Adam do it?

    If it means to judge against it or to sentence it. What is required to achieve this? Christ!

    THE FACT THAT JESUS CAME IN THE FLESH AND LIVED A PERFECT LIFE APART FROM SIN DOESN'T DIRECTLY MEAN "CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH"

    It's the fact that he in doing so, he destroyed the power and penalty of sin is where and how he condemned sin.

    (For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.) Romans 8:2,

    Adam was a living soul.

    There are those born of Adam. "At one time we all were"

    Jesus "A quickening spirit" ( God manifested in the flesh,) Born from above! "God/Christ spirit".

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH.

    This life giving spirit of God in the flesh could not sin.

    Christ didn't become a life giving spirit at Calvary.

    Christ was a perfect Lamb "led" to slaughter. He didn't "become" perfect at Calvary!

    An unblemished Lamb chosen for sacrifice is perfect before you sacrifice him.

    Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Hebrews 2:14.

    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    Christ done what the law could not do. Condemn sin in the weak flesh.

    This is the sin in our members that Paul speaks of in Romans 7:23.

    God bless.
  • Mary Jay - 4 months ago
    What is TRUTH?

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

    Hebrews 2:8 .... we see not yet ALL THINGS put under him .....

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him ....God will be ALL in ALL....

    Revelation 13:8 And all they that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names are NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

    Psalms 86:9 All nations whom thou has made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name.

    Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall come and worship before thee.

    Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, Oh Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgements are made manifest.

    God bless you
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jess L.

    I concur with Gigi.

    Jesus was temporarily "made lower than the angels" Hebrews 2:9.

    which refers to Jesus' status. The second Person of the Trinity took on human flesh.

    Jesus was fully human and "made lower than the angels." However, Jesus is fully divine, too.

    I've heard it put like this, By taking on human nature, Jesus did not relinquish His divine nature-God cannot stop being God.

    Philippians 2:6-8. reads as follows.

    Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Jesus voluntarily relinquished this while on earth. He put himself under the will of the Father, "that is his role".

    Therefore, the fact that the Son took on a human nature and made Himself subservient to the Father in no way denies the deity of the Son, nor does it diminish His essential equality with the Father. The "greatness" spoken of in this verse, then, relates to role, not to essence.

    God bless
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brother Jim Miller:

    Is God a universalist?

    Isaiah 48:16 ...and HIS Spirit has SENT ME ......

    1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify, that the Father SENT his son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD....

    ONLY the carnal mind of man refuses to BELIEVE that Christ will not do what his Father SENT him TO DO.

    Can one be the saviour of the world UNLESS he saves the world.

    Hebrews 2:8 ... we see NOT YET all things put under him .....

    Ephesians 2:8 .... that in the AGES TO COME ......

    Is one foolish enough to believe this age is all there is, why is it so hard to believe Christ will save most in the AGES TO COME.

    Your SAVED from DEATH.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Chris - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Strobe. There were no people after the "last Adam" (which of course refers to Jesus). Jesus never had a wife or fathered any children of the flesh; however, He did make the Way open & accessible through His Blood, that we might become God's children ( Galatians 3:26; Ephesians 1:4-6; Hebrews 2:10-13). But the first Adam never brought forth Spirit-filled children (since he succumbed to temptation & sin), but he certainly produced many physical children, with unfortunately with the same fallen nature as he. It does take great faith to believe this, as it does take faith to believe that Adam & Eve were the very first human creation of God. But if there were people before Adam, then the Word does not show it, so one again needs great faith to believe the propositions from science, understanding man's very limited knowledge of such a distant past.
  • Chris - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Page 2.

    And yes, the 'Jew is under Electionrequiring only faith'. And so it was pre-Cross, as many from the Elect (of Israel) were accounted righteous & faithful, the blood of the Cross being applied to them, cleansing & justifying them before God. But after Jesus paid the price for our sin, even the Elect (of Israel) & those of the Gentiles now in Christ, are joined together as the Elect of God. Many of the Jews were "cut off" & the Gentiles were engrafted into the tree, but they were "broken offbecause of unbelief", not just to make room for Gentiles. The fact that they were removed means that we could be partakers of those blessings and "many sons might be brought unto glory" ( Hebrews 2:10).

    This conversation has been good Daruled, but I will generally be offline for the next few weeks, so please excuse my absence. Blessings.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi David0921,

    Thank you, God, who cannot be tempted of evil, James 1:13 or lie, Titus 1:2. God could not fulfill the law, flesh had to fulfill it because the curse of sin was on flesh. How could you fulfill a law if you were not capable of breaking it? We are told Jesus the Son of God was tempted as we are, Hebrews 4:15. He was made flesh for the suffering of death, Hebrews 2:9.

    2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus had a will of his own but was obedient to the Father, Luke 22:42. Jesus did the works of the Father, John 5:36. Jesus was sent by the Father, John 4:34 John 7:16. Jesus did all the miracles by the Spirit of God that was given to Him without measure, Matt. 12:28 John 3:34, when He was anointed at the Jordan, Mark 1:10 Luke 4:18.

    I hope this is correct forgive me if I am wrong. The Father is God but is not the Son and is not the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but is not the Father and is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but is not the Father and is not the Son. One God is three coexistent, co-eternal, and co-equal Persons.

    If I may ask. If they are three persons, who is the Father of Jesus the Son of God? Matt. 1:18 Luke 1:35. Jesus many times said He has a God and a Father, Matt. 7:21 Matt. 12:50 John 20:17 2 Cor. 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3. Jesus came in His Father's name, John 5:43.

    My understanding, this is not a mystery that cannot be understood. God is a Spirit, John 4:24 It is His Spirit that dwelleth in us, 1 Cor. 3:16 1 Corinthians 2:10-12. God is Spirit, God is Holy. It is the Spirit of God that is the Holy Spirit.

    Paul never used the Holy Spirit in his salutations. Jesus was begotten by His Father, Heb. 1:5. Jesus said His Father was greater than He John 14:28. Rev. 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - 7 months ago
    INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS (Part 4):

    There are some difficulties with the theory of Paul. And by the way, many scholars now do not hold that view because of all the difficulties.

    For example, the letter was written by a second-generation Christian because of what he stated in Hebrews 2:3 which says, "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him."

    Whoever wrote Hebrews did not hear the Lord directly, nor receive from the Lord directly, but received and was confirmed and established for us, he being one of them, by those that heard Him. So, this is just one of the problems.

    Paul himself, as stated in Galatians 1:11-12 said, but I certify to you brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man, for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. So, Paul is not a second generation Christian, and whoever wrote Hebrews is a second generation Christian.

    Another theory was that it was Barnabas, because the letter appears to have been written by a Levite. Now a Levite, from the tribe of Levi, they were those who worked the temple. They were the priests. And they are the ones who took care of the temple.

    The letter appears to have been written by a Levite because of the familiarity with the temple functions and rituals. According to Acts 4:36, Barnabas was a Levite. So, some people theorize that Barnabas wrote it.

    The name Barnabas means "Son of Encouragement." The writer states in Hebrews 13:22 that he encourages them to endure the word of encouragement. Even the writer is saying he's giving encouragement to them, and he encourages them to endure. So, Barnabas was the encourager, another point that people make who theorize that Barnabas wrote the book.

    Some say Luke wrote Hebrews. Some scholars believe that Luke took a Hebrew version of the Book of Hebrews and translated it into Greek.
  • Carleton - In Reply - 7 months ago
    P4

    " Hebrews 1:6 "And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

    Psalms 97:1 "O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth."

    Psalms 97:13 "Before the LORD: for he commeth, for he commeth to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth."

    Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,"

    Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"

    Philippians 2:11 "And that every tounge should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

    Hebrews 2:17 "Wherefore in all things it beloved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

    Deuteronomy 18:5 "For the LORD thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for ever."

    Hebrews 5:2 "Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity."

    2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who know no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

    1 Peter 2:22 "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."

    John 3:31- 32 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthy, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all." And what he has seen and heard, that he testifiieth; and no man receiveth his testimony."

    John 3:33 "He that hath received his testimony hath set o his seal that God is true."

    P5 with a couple more scriptures to follow
  • Alan Manson - In Reply - 9 months ago
    To Plaintalk, I say this in response.

    You quote Job 39:12 and you assign the "seed" to being the word of God. What you are doing is 'spiritualising' a statement of God to Job that was a literal question being put to Job by God that required from Job a literal answer. As Job had none aren't you being somewhat presumptuous here in your claims as to what the seed and the barn mean? An illustration of God's questioning of Job is shown in the verses below:

    Job 39:1 "Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth [their offspring]? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve? 2 Canst thou number the months that they fulfil [their gestation]? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?"

    Anyone can spiritualise scripture to make it say whatever they want it to say - but it doesn't mean that it is true. Therefore, I reject what you say about this verse.

    In regards to your view on John 12:24, although Jesus compares Himself to a grain of wheat as you say, His death was aimed to bring "many sons to glory" ( Hebrews 2:10) through the new birth ( John 3:3-8). Jesus could not establish a glorious church on Earth through His people unless He died and was glorified ( John 7:37-39; Acts 2:33; Eph. 1). Christians today are expected to die as Christ did - but NOT in the physical sense but in the spiritual sense:

    - In this, we are to crucify our 'Old Man' nature until "he" is DEAD - Romans 6:6.-

    - If we haven't, then spiritually speaking, God sees us as "walking in the flesh" ( Romans 8:1, 7).

    However, if we are truly "born-again", we will share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with others so as to bring more lost souls into God's kingdom. By doing this, we (as being that "corn of wheat) will then "...bringeth forth much fruit" - meaning, the lost souls into God's kingdom through personal evangelism, "...some [corns'] an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear!" ( Matt 13:3-9).

    That's how I see it, Plaintalk.
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 9 months ago
    1 of 3

    Isa 53 The appearances of the Just One.

    Isa 59:16,17 Isa 63:5 fulfilled John 1:14 John 3:17

    53 explains Christ patience's, trials, tribulations & suffering of His life in the great work of man redemption. In His humiliations, being despises, rejected, His not be esteem for who He really was John 1:11 & the world by Whom they were created. The sorrows & griefs He bare on our behalf, His Spirit being wounded for our transgression, & bruised for our iniquities, having the chastisement of our peace laid upon Him.

    God, Ephesians 2:4 has left nothing undone in accomplishing this for us, a complete deliverance from sin; spirit, soul & body of the sons & daughters of men from Satan kingdom. Throughout His life & His passion ( the final day of His life) is describe fully here & we see it displayed throughout His life in His humanity, Hebrews 2:17,18

    Isa 53:10 shows the delight of the Father's heart, as Christ fulfills every requirement of the Law, satisfying the Court in heaven Daniel 7:9-10 Daniel 7:13,14 being given a Kingdom, with Matt 28:18 literally untying the Father's hands so He could reach out to His beloved creatures in the Grace that He has now provided for us through His Son, 2 Cor 5:18-21

    Isa 53:11,12 Grace appearance provides the knowledge that shall justify many, Rom 3:24 Titus 2:11,12 Luke 4:22
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Heaven Part 2

    In my last post; I talked about Peter. He was revealed who Christ was which could only have come from the Father ( Matt. 16:17).

    The HOLINESS of God is talked about frequently; perhaps easiest remembered in Revelation 4:8-11 (also found in Isaiah 6:3).

    When the Bible describes judgment; and hell viewed on earth such as in Isaiah 66 there is no appreciation of the wicked for His Holiness or any other attributes. Our life as believers is hidden in Christ ( Colossians 3:3) and the verse also talks about how we must be "crucified with Christ". Those who believe have truly "passed from death to life" ( John 5:24 with further insights in 1 John as well). So that is the difference; we have either the eternal state of our spiritual condition to be in our fallen sin which is totally blind to His glory and only focused on self; or we are new creations which are now able to glorify God in heaven (and we start now by being seated in heavenly places ( Eph. 2:6). Therefore we begin now; to rule and reign with Him in a sense-it is a done deal as Romans 8:30; and Ephesians 1:13 states.

    Isaiah 53:11 states that He will see the travail of His soul and be satisfied; quoting a verse from an entire CHAPTER on Christ which is the famous chapter Jews like to ignore because of clear Messianic descriptions matching that of Christ. His satisfaction therefore will be in ruling and reigning WITH us; with the sons of glory (sort of combining Hebrews 2:10 with the concept of Romans 8:17.) He did it to please the Father first and foremost; but also of course has been given all authority on heaven and earth. ( Matt. 28:18). It is strange to conceive ourselves in a similar way; but nonetheless being part of the firstfruits we also suffer for a time then are glorified and rewarded ( 1 Peter 5:10).

    Obviously; as we look to the concept of varying amounts of rewards for either the wicked (punishment) we have the same idea in regard to the saved. ( 1 Cor. 3:15). more in part3
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 10 months ago
    Hi Cheryl1655. Just to add to these other good comments, in reference to "...even the Son of man which is in heaven", I agree that it should be left to how one chooses to read & understand that statement in John 3:13. To help me with this, I consider John 3:11, 12 as well: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

    I note that Jesus is stating, "WE speak...WE have seen...OUR witness". Who are the WE/OUR here? Surely it can't be anyone on Earth, as none present with Jesus or even seen in the Old Testament have ever spoken of or seen those mysterious things of Heaven. But 'in very Truth', Jesus states that there is a Divine Presence both in Heaven & now on Earth that has made such mysteries & Truths known to man.

    So when Jesus states, "...even the Son of Man which is in heaven", the already perplexed Nicodemus is hit with an almost uncomprehendable Character of God & this Man before him stating that He was in Heaven, now here as a Son of man, who still has a Presence in Heaven. Even though there is insufficient Scripture to state precisely what Jesus was trying to indicate to Nicodemus, it seems that we won't be far from the Truth, that Jesus by coming to Earth, laid aside His Glory (see John 17:5; Philippians 2:7; Hebrews 2:9), so that He could take on flesh & live as a Man. But where did He leave His Glory, that He take on a position beneath God's Holy angels? I feel that this Divine Person of the Godhead left that part of His Majesty in Heaven, while He walked this Earth as the humble Servant of men. To Nicodemus this would have been inconceivable, but Jesus' always held His Presence in Heaven as on Earth - His contact with His Father & His angels were separated only by position, not by relationship & possession. Likewise, our relationship to the Godhead must also be.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Assurance of salvation: continuing thoughts on influence of Satan and his minions vs the Sons of Glory ( Hebrews 2:10).

    I will start here with a brief analysis of Hebrews 2:10. This describes many becoming sons of glory; but also discusses the suffering involved with all true believers. We can compare this to 2 Timothy 3:12 to see how ALL who are Godly in Christ Jesus will in some form or another "suffer persecution." This can be compared with the "easy believism" rampant today; or even the bloodless sacrifice unacceptable to God which Cain presented in Genesis 4.

    Satan is fallen and can never get out of that state. He is the "god of this world" however ( 2 Cor. 4:4) and as a usurper is given much authority which only increases at the end of his reign until the Lord suddenly destroys his puppet the Antichrist at Armageddon and finally judges Satan at the end of Revelation 20. We need to remember that Satan uses minions to convince us to sin; in order to gain legal authority over believers in particular; the world at large is already under his thumb to some respect. This is why we must be wary even of hell testimonies that perhaps Satan has placed to distract men to another false gospel as the remedy; or also could be products of a vivid imagination. Of course heaven testimonies need to be dealt with the same way.

    I stated before although it may be buried as a response to older commentaries that I have heard of individuals who deny Christ at the end of their lives; and also who have had many years of solid teaching and still die lost and blinded; my own family had an example of that as well. There are many others who drift away for a time; some of which who come back after they are brought to a realization of their state. Sometimes God will pull back that curtain and blinder the enemy has on their souls and they will understand how wicked the enemy truly is; as well as their own horrible state without God's grace.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    A messenger of Satan (part 2).

    It is vital; at this stage to reiterate that we must repent of unconfessed sin. God has designed it so that if we are not willing to do this there is great torment that can render us powerless in our walk. That is a warning to all those "confessions" of blessings "declared" on ourselves or others; it in reality brings a curse on us. The reason why is because we are in a Covenant with the Lord and therefore it is His end of the deal to not only save His people but sanctify us; "purging out the dross" ( Isaiah 1:25).

    Part of the problem is that for some bizarre reason it seems to me that very few Christians shall we say overestimate Satan's threat to our well being. It seems strange since a die hard individual on the other camp doesn't seem to have too much difficulty believing in that reality; and occasionally is driven to faith in the Lord when one of his "bargains" with the enemy goes awry (his true colors are exposed). At face value; someone who seeks to kill; steal and destroy ( John 10:10) would be considered an enemy. Sometimes I think we take the love your enemies verse and twist it around; perhaps not to have sympathy for the devil; but to somehow dumb down how evil he is (probably in part because it makes our own comfortable lives in jeopardy realizing that reality). Since he is the power of the air as it were leading men astray; it should be held in conjunction with the fact that man is apart from Christ unable to do any good or as the Reformers state in "total depravity."

    If we would focus on the cause rather than the effects of endless problems we see with our natural eyes in this fallen world

    we may be able to live out a better walk with the Lord in our prayer lives.

    Fear of death ( Hebrews 2:14-15) is something which I have struggled with; I know better but that is one of the enemies' favorite torments. God will deliver His people; but let us be diligent in prayer for ourselves and others as 1 Peter 5:9 says
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Zechariah 13:8 shows how two thirds perish and the other one third of national Israel go through the fire and are thus saved. Again; I will refer to those countless multitudes who go through this time of testing; as either new believers or those left behind (or both).

    I referred before to many who are not producing fruit at present. Many I believe are hiding their light or have been rendered out of service by Satan because of legal access due to sin. This would include even Laodicians I would say. Fear of death ( Hebrews 2:15) has been a snare for many; it is something that the blood of Christ through the Spirit can make us overcome. It is surely true that some will when push comes to shove proclaim Christ; it is the cares of this world that for now have ensnared them. Many; of course will fall away and we are not to use such rationale as an excuse to continue in sin trusting that God will show mercy in such a way. The verses I've quoted show how God will reach all His sheep. This is why I am such a proponent of the Pre Trib rapture. True; some who aren't bold now and producing fruit may have it forced on them through the Tribulation (apparently meaing Tribulum or a way to rapidly bring wheat threshed to harvest). It has been proposed that the barley represents the early harvest or firstfruits; and the wheat or main harvest is later. I will get into that if there is an interest at another time and try to give references to others who have worked on that theory. There certainly is no room to be some sort of macho man thinking we will "brave it out" in the "not so bad" first half of the Trib. These are events including a plague that cannot be stopped to wipe out 1/4 of man. Whoever God chooses to purge this way I don't wish it on anyone nor want to endure it myself. Again; it is the demonic attacks on man directly and unrestrained evil where death and hell do prevail ( Rev. 6:8) which contradict ( Matt. 16:18; compare with Daniel 7:9.

    Agape.
  • Kiokosam - 1 year ago
    hebrews 2
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    John 8:36 assures us that with the Son we are "free indeed". Freedom; in short is opposite of what the world follows as we are slaves or bondservants of Christ ( 1 Cor. 4; 7). To follow the prince of this world and all its temporary pleasures is, in reality; a dead end whereas His riches in glory for those who love Him are eternal for those saints which are already seated with Him in "heavenly places." ( Eph. 2:6).

    When seeking His will and petitioning prayers; it is His Covenant promises which we can tenaciously proclaim as it is His binding contract with His people that He has made with His good pleasure. This is certainly different than just seeking those things that seem most convenient to make us more comfortable in this life. It truly is best when His life is the guide to our lives and He can be the "captain" of our salvation ( Hebrews 2:10). It is this or being shipwrecked; as it were which is a warning for those who fall away ( 1 Timothy 1:9 as a general admonition along with specific individuals in other Pauline writings).

    It is helpful, therefore to have brothers more mature in the faith as "iron sharpens iron." ( Proverbs 27:17). We should also have our individual walk grow to maturity with our quiet times; prayer life and devotionals. John 6:45 shows that we shall all be taught of God; so we should learn to discern His voice from the cacaphony that rings in our ears.

    As adopted sons of God ( Gal. 4:5) we are granted therefore all the blessings and substance of the inheritance. The eternal riches in Glory certainly outweigh any earthly pleasures ( 2 Cor. 4:17). We should strive therefore to remain steadfast and remain in His will. The flesh is dying daily in terms of the outward man (see previous verse 16) but the inward man is being conformed to His image. (see Romans 12:2). To deny ungodliness is true freedom ( Titus 2:12) despite our natural affections that seem to indicate the contrary.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 10 - 1 year ago
    Hello Caleb,

    Genesis 2:15,16,17, Genesis 3:1-6, skipping parts Genesis 3:14,15, between the seed of Serpent - Revelation 20:2,

    John 8:34, 1John 3, Romans 5, John 3:16-21, James 1:5, Proverbs 8:17,

    Example, simple Salvation "GOD save me" many times in life threatening situations, & many times HE has. Psalms 18:3, Psalms 107:13, Psalms 44:7, Luke 18:42, Psalms 34:6,

    Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 2, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Psalms 139,

    Romans 10:13, context Romans 10, Everlasting Salvation, Isaiah 45:17, Acts 4,

    1John 3:14, Job 38:17, Revelation 20, Psalms 49, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Romans 5, Revelation 21,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Ruby Lea Read - 1 year ago
    Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening WOLVES.

    Isaiah 11:6 The WOLF ALSO SHALL DWELL WITH THE LAMB ....

    Hebrews 2:8 ...we see NOT YET ALL THINGS PUT UNDER HIM .....

    1 Timothy 4:10 ...who is the saviour of ALL MEN (sheep and wolves), specially those that believe (sheep).

    Some of GODS WORDS TO MEDITATE ON
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 17 - 1 year ago
    Greta,

    My apology. That was Hebrews 2:4, not Verse 2.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 17 - 1 year ago
    Greta Murphy,

    Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"



    New tongues means new languages, known languages!

    Mark 16:18 says, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

    And then Mark 16:19-20 gives us the confirmation of the word.

    And all these things in Verses 16-17 were done. But please notice these next two verses carefully ( Mark 16:19-20):

    "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."

    Hebrews 2:2 tells us that when the apostles went out and preached that there were signs that followed in order to establish the apostles preaching as the gospel of God. And that is what he is saying here.



    We know that there are various signs that were worked by Jesus through the disciples in order to confirm the message they were hearing is the gospel. It doesn't say everybody, that every person that believes down through history is going to manifest all these various things, but rather for the confirmation of the establishment of the Word of God, which we have with us today.

    Hope this helps!
  • Chris - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for that brother Jesse. I had missed Hebrews 2:3, as far as noting that the certainty of Paul being the writer was made weaker by this verse: "confirmed unto us by them that heard Him." Whoever the writer was, certainly was led of the Spirit to be able to pen such great Truths & give a clear defence of the faith, from all the Scripture given.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Tessie,

    The author of Hebrews is unknown. There are several people who have been named as possible authors. Paul is the most common one but we have nothing to prove that it was Paul.

    It would seem odd that it would be Paul because we know for sure that Paul wrote 13 letters (Romans through Philemon), because Paul put his inscription at the beginning of every one of those letters. It would seem odd that he would not do the same if he wrote Hebrews.

    Here's something that causes me to think it was not Paul. Whoever wrote the letter to the Hebrews was a second generation Christian and did not hear from the Lord directly, which Paul did.

    It says in Hebrews 2:3, "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him."



    So whoever wrote Hebrews did not hear the Lord directly, nor did he receive from the Lord directly (which Paul did), but received and was confirmed and established for us (the writer being one of them) by those that heard Him.



    Paul is a possibility but doubtful. Others who have been named as possible writers are Barnabas, Luke, or Apollos.

    So if someone wants to believe it was Paul, any of the other possibilities, we can neither confirm nor deny because we just don't know and we cannot prove one way or another.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 40 - 1 year ago
    THE STATE OF MAN AND UNCHANGEABLENESS OF GOD

    Psalm 139:8 shows that God is everywhere; including in what was the abode of the dead; Sheol. Think for a minute what this implies. When we see what can only be taken as a literal story of Lazarus and the rich man we see two individuals clearly in a different state in the afterlife. In fact; the rich man is still there and will be until the Great White Throne Judgment.

    The souls of the righteous; however are now present with the Lord ( Ephesians 4:8; 2 Cor. 5:6).

    No longer are those who die in the Lord held captive by the Devil from the presence of God ( Hebrews 2:14-15). Only the rightous will actually see God; Psalm 11:6-7 illustrate this along with the fate of the wicked in hell in great detail. Even this life; in fact shows how one can be dead in trespasses and sins yet physically alive ( Ephesians 2:1). This will be the eternal state for the wicked in the lake of fire.

    Our human minds cannot conceive how God does not change; and how He can be a God of mercy and grace yet render eternal judgment on the unregenerate; also those whose souls God created ( Ezekiel 18:4). Nonetheless; that verse illustrates how a father and son and blood relations are not relevant for determining the salvation of an individual. We see that in the book of Joshua with Gideon that God is for those who are on his side; whatever we percieve in our reality as the right or wrong sides. God brings good to those who love Him ( Romans 8:28). It is according to HIS PURPOSE that these things occur; the same holds true for the wicked as God has no joy in the death of the wicked ( Ezekiel 18:23) but grace is only available for repentance in THIS LIFE according to His terms.


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