Brandi, It would probably be good to speak with your pastor about tithing if you need more info on it. Or do a google search and use the phrase "why we tithe".
Ezra 5:2,3, this account also in Nehemiah 1:3, Nehemiah 2, Nehemiah 4,
The wall may have actually had the most opposition: Nehemiah 2:10,19,20, Nehemiah 4:7,8,11,15, Nehemiah 6:1-6, Nehemiah 6:9-13, Nehemiah 6:19, the biggest enemy of rebuilding the temple seemed to be complacency Haggai 1:4,5, Haggai 1,
Thank you David. You wrote: "how are we born dead in trespasses and sins before being born again of holy spirit." I tried finding this reference in the Bible & the best I could do, was in Ephesians 2:1, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins." Maybe you have another verse that you're thinking of, so I'd be interested to look at that.
So, using my Ephesians 2:1 verse, I understand that Paul is saying that after sin was imputed to us (through committing the first act), then we died spiritually. Physically alive, but spiritually dead - but God, through His Son, has quickened (enlivened) us, that our spirits might become alive God-wards & not dead, once upon a time having our spirits inclined only towards evil. So, I can't see where we are "BORN dead in trespasses & sins" - I believe that we can only die spiritually after we sin & its imputation to us & not at birth.
Re: "body, soul, & spirit". As I shared in another thread, this triunity of man is given us in the womb - though obviously undeveloped & without expression. I don't understand if you're stating that before our spiritual re-birth, we had only a body & 'breath life soul', without a spirit? Maybe, you're equating the arrival of our spirit only upon the onset of our spiritual rebirth. I could in a small way understand what you're saying (if that's what you're inferring), except for the volume of Scriptures indicating that a human (whatever his spiritual state) must have a human spirit to be alive.
I think these Scriptures reveal what I believe: Haggai 1:14; Job 32:8; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Proverbs 20:27; Zechariah 12:1; 1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26. I've picked a few verses specifically showing the evidence of a human spirit well before ever being touched by God's Spirit. If our spirits are untouched by God's Spirit (i.e. without rebirth), we remain spiritually dead towards God, but humanly alive & our spirits accountable to Him in that coming day.
I believe you may be mistaken, not the Word of GOD
In my study I looked up the "Court"
The Court : Exodus 27, in the tabernacle, Exodus 40:20-33, the House: 1Kings 6:16-36, 1Kings 8:64, 2 Chronicles 4:6-22, Solomon made,
2Chronicles 24:18-27, Court, before captivity into Babylon, note Isaiah was prophesing of it, in 2 Chronicles,
Zechariah, Zacharias, etc. 2Chronicles 29:1, 2Kings 14:29, 2Kings 18:22Kings 15:8,11, even Luke 1:5,12,13,18,21,40,59,67,
There seems to be several men with same name, but Jesus specified "the son of Barachias" Zechariah 1:1, note: Luke 11:50-51, Matthew 23:31-39, 'between the temple & the alter '
Zechariah son of Berechaih was alive prophesing during the 2nd year of Darius, Zechariah 1:1, seemingly During: Daniel 6:1, Daniel 9:1, Daniel 11:1, the time of rebuilding, Ezra 4:24, Ezra 5:7, Ezra 6:13, Haggai 1:15, Haggai 2:10, Nehemiah 12:22,
Please note Zechariah 7:1, the house of The LORD was rebuilt & Zechariah approached their sin, Zechariah 7, he even speaks of the 70 years of captivity: Zechariah 7:5,
Interestingly the Bible many times records things not with years & dates. It's actually genius because rulers have changed calendars multiple times, even the Hebrew "Jewish" calendar, but when records say as Haggai 1:1 "in the second year of king Darius' historical documents will still be reliable & relatable. Please see: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 11:1, Daniel 6, Ezra 4:5,24, Please note the significance of the 2nd year of Darius. The work on the house of GOD stopped until "the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia" Ezra 5:5,6,7, Ezra 6:1,12,13,14,15, here in Ezra 6:14, it even references Haggai, & Zechariah, Zechariah 1, again "the second year of Darius"
Part 2= the Word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet= GOD spoke to Haggai. A prophet = Numbers 12:6, Deuteronomy 18:15,18, Jeremiah 28:9,
Part 3: after GOD spoke to Haggai; Haggai then spoke the 'word' to Zerubbabel & Joshua.
The Bible many times will direct a prophet to specific people like Nathan to King David: 2Samuel 12:1,
Part 4: Many times the Bible will clarify by lineage who someone is because names are common. So "Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest" is clearly not mistaken for Joshua from the Book of Joshua. Also positions are clarified for I believe the same reason. Also see Nehemiah 12:22,
5th part, then it reads._.._"saying" It's now going to specify what GOD spoke, in the verses to follow._._
Haggai 1:9 Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.
10 Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.
Strong words from the Prophet. For reflection for everyone. Let it not be so with Your people Lord. Let them come to You with all of EVERYTHING. Build Your House. Amen.
WOW! This text is one that would bring an individual to the place God would they be especially when they have missed God previously and the work has gone undone. Talking about redeeming time and its importance to God to bring about a complete circle concerning the work of his chosen ones. This Word of God definitely opens the mind of one that missed his call to rebuild. Despite the persecution, one should understand that God has the authority to bring about a change.
Today, is it possible for church members who have allowed the 1st temple to dilapidate to ruins to listen and hear from God regarding the restoration of the temple or church building a 2nd time without the Sanhedrin's involvement or decision-making process? Meaning a tradition of man that states the Ministerial alliance committee has the authority to position pastors in a church within its jurisdiction if it is not the will of God?
a. Solomon's Temple ( 1 Kings 5:3-6:1 & 6:37-38). The King of Tyre supplied the timber & workmen for this work which took seven years in building.
b. Zerubbabel's Temple ( Ezra 1, 3, 6). This temple was instigated & authorized by Cyrus in 538 BC but the work ceased because of Samaritan opposition & discouragement of many of the Jews. In 515 BC, the work was finally completed by Zerubbabel & Joshua after being encouraged to do so by the prophets Haggai & Zechariah to take up the unfinished work. ( Ezra 4:24-5:2; Haggai 1:1-2:9; Zechariah 4:7-10). But this temple wasn't as extravagant as Solomon's. This temple was plundered & desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes in 169 BC.
c. Herod's Temple. In about 20 BC, Herod the Great undertook to reconstruct the Temple with its surrounding courts & buildings. Most of the construction took about ten years to complete, but work was still going on while Jesus walked on the Earth & later. And this temple was destroyed by Emperor Titus of Rome in AD 70 & its furnishings & treasures carried off to Rome.
There is no biblical reference to another temple being built as Jesus Himself said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." ( John 2:19), referring to His Body & three days later, His resurrection. And as you said, that we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19), so the old temple was destroyed (first by the rending of the vail & then by Titus), which ushered in the New Covenant with the Temple within us. There are references to the Temple in Heaven but in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for one, as "the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." ( Revelation 21:22).
Present day Jews want another Temple to be built, some wanting the institution of sacrifices as well, & others, not. Yet, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 indicates that anti-Christ will one day sit in the temple showing himself to be God, so one can only guess on that one.
The question that I have is How many temples have there been? There was Solomons' Temple which was destroyed by Jeremiah's time. Israel came back 70 years later The Lord stirred up King Darius to give permission to have the temple built up again. So in Jesus' day when our Lord visited The Temple; was this the temple they built when the jews came back from Babylon? Have there only been 2 temples? One more question;Is there anywhere in the Bible where there's an order to build a 3rd temple? Are not we The temple of God? isn't God's Holy child Jesus Christ the Messiah the Only acceptable sacrifice to God? Sorry that was more than 2 questions.
"This people say, The time is not come, the time that the LORD'S house should be built... Consider your ways." NOW in this present time, while we're here; NOW with deceitful and treacherous enemies working against us; NOW is the time to be holy and work and build the House of God. We do not wait till heaven to become holy! If we are not fit for His presence when He comes, we will only have shame.
Verse 5- Jehovah God is so loving and patient in how he wants us to really think about what we are doing. Sometimes we can forget our priorities and we should be grateful for his patience and reminders.
Verse 6 shows that we need Jehovah God’s blessing in our lives. We can only enjoy any material things we have because God allows us to exist and find pleasure in different things. Our gratitude and knowledge of this fact should move us to put spiritual interests first.
This chapter reminds me of Matt 6:31 'Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness and all things shall be added to you'. When we put the things of God first, then we shall prosper. I believe that when we neglect to worship God and give of our tithes and offerings we are never satisfied. No matter what we try to achieve it will come to naught without putting God first in our lives.
V. 11, goes with 2 Chr. 7:13, and MANY others. The eastern, southern states of USA are in a drought, as the western states. Droughts are common to the west; until some wks. ago I had NEVER heard of droughts in the eastern, southern states. Jesus is talking.
The church of God for sure dwells by His gracious mercy. mankind has been taking spiritual commands for granted, but as the case is, my prayer is for us to abide through divine power of God to be able to prove beyond doubts our true love for Him.
We must always obey God,and His true prophets.We must learn to do the things of God first,like paying our tithes,vowa,offerings.In short,we should always seek the things of God,and His righteousness Matthew 6:33
It 's similar to the way some of us are now, we forget about GOD who brought us out of terrible situations, sickness desease death hunger etc. So as in Haggai the prophet let us return back to GOD that we may grow and put him first in our lives. It is he who made us and not we ourselves, praise GOD.
Brandi, It would probably be good to speak with your pastor about tithing if you need more info on it. Or do a google search and use the phrase "why we tithe".
God bless.
Haggai 1:4,5,
However the trouble was in rebuilding protection to be able to rebuild the Temple, Ezra 5, Nehemiah 2, Nehemiah 4, Nehemiah 6,
Hopefully these are helpful
The wall may have actually had the most opposition: Nehemiah 2:10,19,20, Nehemiah 4:7,8,11,15, Nehemiah 6:1-6, Nehemiah 6:9-13, Nehemiah 6:19, the biggest enemy of rebuilding the temple seemed to be complacency Haggai 1:4,5, Haggai 1,
Hopefully these are helpful
So, using my Ephesians 2:1 verse, I understand that Paul is saying that after sin was imputed to us (through committing the first act), then we died spiritually. Physically alive, but spiritually dead - but God, through His Son, has quickened (enlivened) us, that our spirits might become alive God-wards & not dead, once upon a time having our spirits inclined only towards evil. So, I can't see where we are "BORN dead in trespasses & sins" - I believe that we can only die spiritually after we sin & its imputation to us & not at birth.
Re: "body, soul, & spirit". As I shared in another thread, this triunity of man is given us in the womb - though obviously undeveloped & without expression. I don't understand if you're stating that before our spiritual re-birth, we had only a body & 'breath life soul', without a spirit? Maybe, you're equating the arrival of our spirit only upon the onset of our spiritual rebirth. I could in a small way understand what you're saying (if that's what you're inferring), except for the volume of Scriptures indicating that a human (whatever his spiritual state) must have a human spirit to be alive.
I think these Scriptures reveal what I believe: Haggai 1:14; Job 32:8; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Proverbs 20:27; Zechariah 12:1; 1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26. I've picked a few verses specifically showing the evidence of a human spirit well before ever being touched by God's Spirit. If our spirits are untouched by God's Spirit (i.e. without rebirth), we remain spiritually dead towards God, but humanly alive & our spirits accountable to Him in that coming day.
I believe you may be mistaken, not the Word of GOD
In my study I looked up the "Court"
The Court : Exodus 27, in the tabernacle, Exodus 40:20-33, the House: 1Kings 6:16-36, 1Kings 8:64, 2 Chronicles 4:6-22, Solomon made,
2Chronicles 24:18-27, Court, before captivity into Babylon, note Isaiah was prophesing of it, in 2 Chronicles,
Zechariah, Zacharias, etc. 2Chronicles 29:1, 2Kings 14:29, 2Kings 18:2 2Kings 15:8,11, even Luke 1:5,12,13,18,21,40,59,67,
There seems to be several men with same name, but Jesus specified "the son of Barachias" Zechariah 1:1, note: Luke 11:50-51, Matthew 23:31-39, 'between the temple & the alter '
Zechariah son of Berechaih was alive prophesing during the 2nd year of Darius, Zechariah 1:1, seemingly During: Daniel 6:1, Daniel 9:1, Daniel 11:1, the time of rebuilding, Ezra 4:24, Ezra 5:7, Ezra 6:13, Haggai 1:15, Haggai 2:10, Nehemiah 12:22,
Please note Zechariah 7:1, the house of The LORD was rebuilt & Zechariah approached their sin, Zechariah 7, he even speaks of the 70 years of captivity: Zechariah 7:5,
Hopefully these are helpful
Haggai 1:1,
Interestingly the Bible many times records things not with years & dates. It's actually genius because rulers have changed calendars multiple times, even the Hebrew "Jewish" calendar, but when records say as Haggai 1:1 "in the second year of king Darius' historical documents will still be reliable & relatable. Please see: Daniel 5:31, Daniel 11:1, Daniel 6, Ezra 4:5,24, Please note the significance of the 2nd year of Darius. The work on the house of GOD stopped until "the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia" Ezra 5:5,6,7, Ezra 6:1,12,13,14,15, here in Ezra 6:14, it even references Haggai, & Zechariah, Zechariah 1, again "the second year of Darius"
Part 2= the Word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet= GOD spoke to Haggai. A prophet = Numbers 12:6, Deuteronomy 18:15,18, Jeremiah 28:9,
Part 3: after GOD spoke to Haggai; Haggai then spoke the 'word' to Zerubbabel & Joshua.
The Bible many times will direct a prophet to specific people like Nathan to King David: 2Samuel 12:1,
Part 4: Many times the Bible will clarify by lineage who someone is because names are common. So "Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest" is clearly not mistaken for Joshua from the Book of Joshua. Also positions are clarified for I believe the same reason. Also see Nehemiah 12:22,
5th part, then it reads._.._"saying" It's now going to specify what GOD spoke, in the verses to follow._._
I hope these are helpful
chapter 1 verse one
10 Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.
Strong words from the Prophet. For reflection for everyone. Let it not be so with Your people Lord. Let them come to You with all of EVERYTHING. Build Your House. Amen.
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We should now know what kind of house this is.
God bless us in Jesus Name above all other Names.
Today, is it possible for church members who have allowed the 1st temple to dilapidate to ruins to listen and hear from God regarding the restoration of the temple or church building a 2nd time without the Sanhedrin's involvement or decision-making process? Meaning a tradition of man that states the Ministerial alliance committee has the authority to position pastors in a church within its jurisdiction if it is not the will of God?
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a. Solomon's Temple ( 1 Kings 5:3-6:1 & 6:37-38). The King of Tyre supplied the timber & workmen for this work which took seven years in building.
b. Zerubbabel's Temple ( Ezra 1, 3, 6). This temple was instigated & authorized by Cyrus in 538 BC but the work ceased because of Samaritan opposition & discouragement of many of the Jews. In 515 BC, the work was finally completed by Zerubbabel & Joshua after being encouraged to do so by the prophets Haggai & Zechariah to take up the unfinished work. ( Ezra 4:24-5:2; Haggai 1:1-2:9; Zechariah 4:7-10). But this temple wasn't as extravagant as Solomon's. This temple was plundered & desecrated by Antiochus Epiphanes in 169 BC.
c. Herod's Temple. In about 20 BC, Herod the Great undertook to reconstruct the Temple with its surrounding courts & buildings. Most of the construction took about ten years to complete, but work was still going on while Jesus walked on the Earth & later. And this temple was destroyed by Emperor Titus of Rome in AD 70 & its furnishings & treasures carried off to Rome.
There is no biblical reference to another temple being built as Jesus Himself said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." ( John 2:19), referring to His Body & three days later, His resurrection. And as you said, that we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost ( 1 Corinthians 6:19), so the old temple was destroyed (first by the rending of the vail & then by Titus), which ushered in the New Covenant with the Temple within us. There are references to the Temple in Heaven but in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for one, as "the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." ( Revelation 21:22).
Present day Jews want another Temple to be built, some wanting the institution of sacrifices as well, & others, not. Yet, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 indicates that anti-Christ will one day sit in the temple showing himself to be God, so one can only guess on that one.