Discuss Genesis 14

  • Richard H Priday - 7 months ago
    God's plan for the nations: Belief in the true God; Israel as focus of God's plan

    Genesis 14:18-20 state: 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    The details of the aftermath of a battle with a foreign king where Lot was rescued from captivity aren't the focus in this post; but Melchizedek apparently blessed Abraham; but Abraham gave HIM a tithe (one thenth) of what he had. Hebrews mentions Melchizedek as a type of Christ; he was Gentile of unknown ancestry but apparently a great man of God for Abraham to offer him tithes. It shows that true worship of God was indeed with other nations at least with this individual BEFORE the sacrificial system began in Israel.

    God Himself says that He chose Israel (see Deut. 7:6-8). These verses explain the covenant promises and that Israel was not some great nation that would be expected to have God's blessings. His purposes are in all things. God called Abraham from the land of Ur of the Chaldees to travel to the area which would eventually be for his descendants as an inheritance in the Promised Land. ( Genesis 12). Genesis 15:10 shows the actual covenant; which occured when Abram (to be called Abraham afterwards) was in a deep sleep; reminding of us of Adam in a deep sleep. God would be patient with the nations until their iniquity was to the full; then those surrounding nations to Israel's inheritance would be conquered ( Gen. 15:16).

    We see how nations would be judged once sin was to the full such as Sodom and Gomorrah; then later Nineveh. The final giant offspring of the Nephilim would be destroyed when Goliath was killed by David ( 1 Samuel 17:50). The flood would destroy many of these offspring; the rest later on ( Gen. 6:4
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 7 months ago
    I think this is what you are asking brother Greimuth. In Genesis 14:17, the term "King's dale" or "King's Valley" refers to a location near the city of Jerusalem. This valley is mentioned in the context of an encounter between Abraham (then known as Abram) and the King of Salem, Melchizedek. Melchizedek, who is described as a priest of God Most High, met Abraham in the King's Valley and blessed him.

    The exact location of the King's Valley is not definitively identified in the Bible, and its precise geographical location remains a subject of debate among scholars and historians. Some believe it to be associated with the Kidron Valley, which runs east of Jerusalem, while others have different interpretations.

    The significance of this passage in Genesis is primarily related to the meeting between Abraham and Melchizedek, which is seen as a foreshadowing of Christ's priesthood in the New Testament, as Melchizedek is described as a priest of God Most High and a type of Christ. The King's Valley serves as the backdrop for this important biblical encounter.
  • I Am A Real Baptist Brider 1979 - In Reply - 11 months ago
    XXI. OF THE GRACE OF TITHING AND GIVING

    I believe God's plan of finance for His Baptist Church's is to be tithes and offerings. Scriptural giving is one of the fundamentals of the faith. I believe that every Believer, as a steward of that portion of God's wealth entrusted to him or her, is obligated to support his or her Baptist Church financially. I believe that God has established the tithe as a basis of giving but that every Believer should also give other offerings sacrificially and cheerfully to the support of his or her Baptist Church for the relief of those in need, and the spread of the Gospel. I believe that Church members are commanded to bring their tithes and offerings into the Storehouse (Common Treasury) of their Baptist Church upon the first day of the week (Sunday). I believe that a Believer relinquishes all rights to direct the use of the tithe or offering once the gift has been made. I believe under grace we give, and do not pay, the tithe - "Abraham GAVE a tenth part of all." "Abraham GAVE the tenth part of the spoils," and this was four hundred years before the Law, and is confirmed in the New Testament, the Lord Jesus Himself said concerning the tithe, "... these ought ye to have done ..." ( Genesis 14:20; Leviticus 27:30; Proverbs 3:9, 10; Malachi 3:10; Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; Acts 4:34, 35, 37; 1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 8:7; 2 Corinthians 9:6, 7; Galatians 6:6; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Timothy 5:17, 18; Hebrews 7:2, 4; 1 John 3:17).
  • T Levis - In Reply on Isaiah 17 - 1 year ago
    Damascus was a place mentioned several times in Old Testament, Genesis 14:15, Genesis 15:2, 2Samuel 8:5,6, 1Kings 11:1-25, 1Kings 19:14-18, 1Kings 20, 2Chronicles 16,

    2Kings 5,

    2Kings 8, notice 2Kings 8:12,13, 2Chronicles 24:23, 2Chronicles 28:5,23,

    Isaiah 7:8,9, Isaiah 8:4, Isaiah 10:9, Isaiah 17, James 1:5,

    In the New Testament it's the road to Damascus was the place of Saul's conversion to Paul: Acts 9, Acts 22, Acts 26, it's symbolic to many Christians as a turning point in Christian faith.

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Genesis 14, Genesis 14:18-24, Psalms 110:4, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7, Melchizedek is in The Old Testament & New. Spelled -Melchizedek in Old Testament & spelled Melchisedec in New Testament. Please read the whole chapters listed above to understand more fully the significance, more in detail.

    James 1:5,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 16 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 14:12,14,16,

    The Bible is interesting about "brother" generations after Esau & Jacob the brotherhood was still very significant to GOD.= Obadiah 1:10,12,13,14,15,

    Jesus speaking : Matthew 12:47-50, John 1:12

    If we can call each other "bro, brother," in slang in our society, just relation in sporting ....? Is it the Son of GOD reference? 2Peter 2, note 2Peter 2:7-9, Romans 8:14, Hebrews 11,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 14,

    After much study & reading, I've understood deeper the connections of names, families, places etc.

    For instance Melchizedek, in Genesis 14:18, is very significant later! Psalms 110:4,

    Hebrews 7, Hebrews 5:5-10, Hebrews 6:18-20,

    Lot, Abraham's nephew also called brother Genesis 14:12-16, Genesis 13:8-13, also shows Abraham's love, meekness, loyalty to Lot. Genesis 18, also Lot spoken of in New Testament as a promise of deliverance of GOD"S people 2Peter 2:4-9,

    Genesis 19, Sodom & Gomorrha also spoken of several times

    & Abraham himself named Abram, Genesis 17:5,15, & Sari, Sarah, it's amazing the significance of names we find as we keep reading & studying! John 14:26

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Remonica on Genesis 14 - 1 year ago
    Just reading understanding some and some not some much. All I know is there is alot of years and family going on and the names
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Texsis. He is partly correct in what he said, but more accurately, it should be written, 'The Bible is, in part, about the history of Israel, the people chosen by God, through whom God's blessings would come; that all the world should know the One & True Living God, Who would one day send His Son to be the Redeemer for Israel & the World.' The Torah had an immediate benefit only to Israel, for it was given to them to learn from & obey. Had they been true to God, they would have been used by God as a mighty witness to the World. But they failed Him, disobeying Him & taking on the sins & corruptions of the Gentiles, thus falling into the same condemnation.

    God may not have "dealt with any other nations" as He did with His people Israel, but the nations stood condemned for their sins & idolatry just as Israel suffered under God's Hand when they despised Him. The nations may not have known anything about Israel's God, but the Bible in its fullness must have a very real bearing to the Gentiles as their history is also intertwined within Israel's history.

    From Adam & Eve right up to Abraham & Isaac, Israel was not a people or nation. Gentiles too have an heritage to Adam even though not much is given after the Flood when the descendants of Ham & Japheth spread out into the world. But we have the mention of Melchizedek ( Genesis 14:18-20), Hagar ( Genesis 16:1-3), Rahab ( Joshua 6:22-25), Ruth (Ruth chapter 2), the repentance of the City of Nineveh ( Jonah 3:5-10). All these in the OT show that Gentiles were still in God's Mind & to be used of Him.

    And Hosea 2:23, "...I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God", to this verse the Apostle Peter refers in 1 Peter 2:10. The Church, composed of Jew & Gentile believers were planned for in the Old Testament & realized in the NT Church & the coming of the Holy Spirit to make her God's special possession.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Mark 15 - 1 year ago
    There was 1st a Priesthood in: Genesis 14:18,

    Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.

    Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.

    Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,

    Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,

    Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.

    They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,

    I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.

    Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 11 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 14:18,

    Genesis 15:13,14, two Generations & 400 years, + 30 years later : Exodus 12:40,41, then the Laws were given to Moses, Exodus 28, Exodus 25,

    Psalms 110:4,

    Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7,

    Helpful I hope
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Just to give a Scripture to the accurate definition that GiGi gave you. You can read this Name in Isaiah 14:13,14: "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (el): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High (ely-own)". He is indeed "the most High God", otherwise translated, 'the strongest Strong One'.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Hello Ann.

    El Elyon is Hebrew for God Most High. An awesome name that sets the true God above any other in heaven or earth or hell. He is Most High because He is the only One that deserves our praises and is alone as deity.
  • Ann Pittman on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    What or who is El Elyon.
  • Loyalty on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    this is a grate book
  • RichFairhurst - In Reply on Hebrews 6 - 2 years ago
    Many think Melchisedec is a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. The passage in Genesis about Melchisadec taken just by itself does not give a clear indication of this:

    Genesis 14:18-20 - 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    The primary basis for thinking Melchizedek is Christ is a result of the way the author of the Book of Hebrews interprets this passage to show the superiority and primacy of Christ's High Priesthood over the Levitical High Priesthood in connection with the Messianic Psalm of David, Psalm 110, particularly Psalm 110:4

    4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

    The primary passages in Hebrews dealing with Christ's High Priesthood are:

    Hebrew 3:1-10, Hebrews 4:14-16, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7.

    Hebrews 7:1-3 is the most important passage to consider:

    1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

    One view of vs 3 is that Melchisedek is a man who lived and died, but the author of Hebrews is using the mystery/absence of this info to liken him to Christ in His preincarnate state. The other is that this actually is Christ in His preincarnate state, but He appeared as a man like He ultimately did to reveal Himself as Son of God for us in order to become our High Priest.
  • Richard D. Fairhurst - 2 years ago
    I agree that Genesis 15:13-14 was fulfilled when Israel left Eygpt in Exodus 12:36, but I believe that verse 16 was not fulfilled until Judges 1:20 when Hebron was taken. In order for the 4th generation to "come back here" they had to reach Hebron where Abraham heard these words ( Genesis 14:13). Because the Amorites had just fought as Abraham's allies God would not judge them until the 4th generation after the Exodus was ready to fight them. If any 1st generation freed Israelite man that perished in the wilderness begat a son that turned 20 and begat his grandson shortly after the army census in Numbers 1:20 in turn begat his great grandson prior to the 30th year in the wilderness than a great grandson of the 1st Exodus generation fighters would have reached fighting age when Hebron was taken. Abraham was being comforted that he would die in peace and not have to witness the judgment of his allies. God delay judgment of their sins by Abraham's descendants to recognize their part in the victory Abraham had just won for his nephew Lot.

    This interpretation also shows that the wilderness wandering was actually a mercy to Abraham that allowed God time to raise an army that was far more worthy of victory over Abraham's allies descendants only after God allowed the full measure of their sins to show that their descendants judgement was just. That 1st generation unbelieving army of Exodus slaves that tested God 10 times and shrank back from fighting was unworthy in God's sight of judging the sins of Abraham's Amorite allies descendants and would have been unworthy of victory over them in Abraham's sight as well.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Melchizedek isn't mentioned anywhere else except for Hebrews and Psalm 110 outside of Genesis. The geneology is not something which is of significance outside the lineage of Christ and Jewish descendants in the Scriptures. It would be interesting to see if any secular sources or writings of other religions have any information. To deliberately leave this a mystery in a way points to the Son of Man who truly was from God rather than any man in His origin.

    If we look at the true history and traditions of nations; we see stories which indicate an original concept of one God greater than all others; followed by polytheistic idol worship later. The primary example in Asia was the Hindu faith coming from India and crossing into China; later morphing into the Buddhist and other sects. The focus of the Old Testament was on the law; and God's chosen nation but we need to keep in mind many were called out of their lands of origin (such as Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees). Gentiles however were allowed to align themselves with the God of the Jews if they wished to worship with them. There was a long period before the law was established; and times when it was virtually ignored where God would work with other nations; particularly when God's people were exiled as was promised previously to be a "little sanctuary". The bread and wine certainly is a foreshadowing of Christ Himself; who was King of the Jews; but also came to save others as Isaiah promised to be a "light unto the gentiles". It is interesting that no animal sacrifices are mentioned with Melchizedek although it doesn't seem certain through omission if that actually occurred. Clearly God can work through who He will; and now as Gentiles we are "grafted in" to a better means and no further sacrifice is needed as Christ as Melchizedek ever intercedes for us.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi.

    Melchizedek priesthood purpose is to give us a model of Christ priesthood. superior to the Levitical priesthood. "Everlasting"

    Please see Hebrews 7:1-17.

    God bless.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    You need to use the Search Box on this website, to find all scriptures on that name.

    Then Google search:

    Melchizedek, history

    Or teaching
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    There is: Psalms 110:4, Hebrews 5:6, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Why is there not more about melchizedek on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    why is there not more about melchizedek
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 2 - 2 years ago
    Hi BMW.

    Part 6.

    EVIDENCE OF DIVINE CONCERN FOR THE GENTILES. Continued.

    (1) The practice of offering sacrifices as atonement, typically foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, apparently was a human requirement from the very commencement of history. Abel, son of Adam and Eve, brought the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" ( Genesis 4:4). The offering must have been killed, otherwise he could not have presented the fat, which was the best part. Moreover, we are told that "righteous Abel" (so designated by Jesus [ Matthew 23:35]) offered his sacrifice "by faith" ( Hebrews 11:4), which, in the overall context of this chapter, clearly is an objective faith grounded in revelation, and not that which was subjectively whimsical.

    When Noah departed from the ark after the waters of the flood subsided, he built an altar and offered sacrifices of every clean animal and bird, and Jehovah was pleased with his offering ( Genesis 8:20-21). What compelled him to do such?

    Melchizedek, whom Abraham encountered on his return from the rescue of his nephew, was designated by Moses as a "priest of God Most High" ( Genesis 14:18). A priest is an appointed servant who officiates in the offering of sacrifices to atone for sin. The modernistic notion that Melchizedek was merely the "high god" priest of the Canaanites (e.g., Baal), worshipped in pre-Israelite Jerusalem, is absurd (Hicks 1962, 343). God would hardly have chosen a Baal-worshipper to be a type, prophetically previewing his Son ( Hebrews 7:3). See also Leupold (1942, 463).

    (2) The entire world population was one in kind prior to the call of Abraham. He was the first to be designated a Hebrew ( Genesis 14:13). The Hebrews were not set apart as a distinct people until the giving of the law of Moses ( Exodus 19:5-6; cf. Ephesians 2:14). It is wholly unrealistic not to recognize that God's love for the Gentiles was a part of the ancient world.

    See Part 7 of 7!
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Matthew 22 - 2 years ago
    Matthew 22:45, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 1, Colossians 3:1, Mark 16:19, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 5:31,

    Luke 22:69, Psalms 110:1, Psalms 110:4, later referenced to clarify Jesus' priesthood Genesis 14:18, Hebrews 7,

    Psalms 110:5-6

    Hopefully these scripture references are helpful.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Joseph,

    Scripture does not tell us.

    Perhaps He was moved with compassion at knowing the deep grief of those who loved Lazarus

    Maybe, as Rick, proposes, He was grieved by the unbelief of those involved in this happening.

    These are just some ideas, but as I said, Scripture does not tell us why Jesus wept. It just said that He did weep when at the tomb of Lazarus.
  • Rick - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Joseph McClosky This is one of the greatest records displaying the unbelief Jesus Christ still was dealing

    with even with His disciples and those that knew him well. The record starts Chapter 11:2 where mary Gets word

    to Jesus that was sick.

    First word out of Jesus mouth this sickness is not unto death but for the Glory of God.

    Now at this time in his ministry setting foot back in judea they could be killed. the number of negatives Jesus

    is hit with between verse 8and39 is 9 he's accused of causing that he died he's accused of the disciples going

    with him to die, mary lied to her sister saying the master called for her never did.

    All of Lazarus friends were there

    crying for him he was very well known and respected verse 8 jesus wept in Himself because of the unbelief. He knew

    was Going to raise him up because he said it in verse 4. Then look at verse 42 i know that thou hearest me always

    but because of the people I said it that they may believe. This is why he wept fighting unbelief.

    to raise him because he said that in verse 4
  • Joseph McClosky on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Why did Jesus weep for Lazarus?
  • GiGi on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    God's blessings to all here on this site.

    I have read all of the comments of this section and have a few thoughts. First, Abraham called Lot his "brother". Perhaps Abraham thought that Lot represented his brother, Haran, since Haran had died. Why his brother, Nahor, did not come with Abraham, it is not known. However, it is Nahor's descendants that Isaac and Jacob go to to secure wives. So, God had a reason for Nahor to stay in Haran, perhaps to take care of Terah or his mother and also to separate the gene pool a bit from Abraham. Abraham had a strong sense of duty to take care of Lot, it seems. I think that Lot worshipped the same God that Abraham did, since in later text, it says that Lot was vexed by the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah. Perhaps he was a preacher of righteousness also.

    Secondly, Abraham was satisfied to have his family once again reunited. he was well blessed and really didn't have any need of the spoils. He was content with what God had given him already. Also, he may not have desired the spoils of war. He seemed like a man of peace. It seems that Abraham and the Amorites he lived with had good relations with the people of Sodom and Gomorrah at this time. Thence the meeting with Melchizedeck included these kings and representatives of the tribes that were allies. Being the "outsider" in the land, I think Abraham was accepted because he was peaceful and did not wish to take from those around him in an un-towards way. He probably kept to himself in most matters, but was willing to be helpful, to neighbors when needed, even if they worshipped idols. We are instructed to live godly lives in this wicked generation, overflowing with brotherly love and concern for others, just as Abraham did. it is not known if there were many true worshippers of God on Canaan at this time, but Melchizedeck was, and was respected. I pray that this would be true of us, too, especially when we are outnumbered by unbelievers around us.
  • Shanelle on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    They tried to worship the most high god, which created the heavens and the earth which created us out of all images, And it came to pass that abram was one of the servants of the most high god. God has blessed abram all ready but he was not done yet.
  • Pedro - In Reply on Revelation 10:11 - 2 years ago
    Jesus was a Hebrew. The 1st man to be called Hebrew was Abram ( Genesis 14:13)

    Jesus was Semitic (Shem), with color and tone similar to their Arab cousins

    Today's Jews are Ashkenazi ( Genesis 10:2-3) they are 7th century Khazar converts of Japheth. ( Revelation 2:9)



    ( Genesis 9:27) God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Sounds like Canaan will be a slave to his two brothers ( Isaiah 14:1-2)


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