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Genesis 14 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Doug - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    The scripture at the end of Hebrews 6 and continuing into chapter seven is referencing the account in Genesis 14 where Melchisedec appears (with no reference to his origin) to bless Abraham. Melchisedec is a pattern for Christ's priesthood because he didn't come out of the tribe of Levi. The scripture says he is the priest of Salem. Salem eventually became know as Jerusalem. So Melchisedec is a good pattern for Christ being the High Priest of the heavenly Jerusalem (end of Hebrews 12). Take time to ponder Hebrews 7 and the comparisons that are made in it.
  • Doug - in Reply on Matthew 11
    The scripture at the end of Hebrews 6 and continuing into chapter seven is referencing the account in Genesis 14 where Melchisedec appears (with no reference to his origin) to bless Abraham. Melchisedec is a pattern for Christ's priesthood because he didn't come out of the tribe of Levi. The scripture says he is the priest of Salem. Salem eventually became know as Jerusalem. So Melchisedec is a good pattern for Christ being the High Priest of the heavenly Jerusalem (end of Hebrews 12). Take time to ponder Hebrews 7 and the comparisons that are made in it.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Matthew 11
    Genesis 14:18,

    Genesis 15:13,14, two Generations & 400 years, + 30 years later : Exodus 12:40,41, then the Laws were given to Moses, Exodus 28, Exodus 25,

    Psalms 110:4,

    Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Hebrews 7,

    Helpful I hope
  • RichFairhurst - in Reply on Hebrews 6
    Many think Melchisedec is a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. The passage in Genesis about Melchisadec taken just by itself does not give a clear indication of this:

    Genesis 14:18-20 - 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    The primary basis for thinking Melchizedek is Christ is a result of the way the author of the Book of Hebrews interprets this passage to show the superiority and primacy of Christ's High Priesthood over the Levitical High Priesthood in connection with the Messianic Psalm of David, Psalm 110, particularly Psalm 110:4

    4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

    The primary passages in Hebrews dealing with Christ's High Priesthood are:

    Hebrew 3:1-10, Hebrews 4:14-16, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7.

    Hebrews 7:1-3 is the most important passage to consider:

    1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

    One view of vs 3 is that Melchisedek is a man who lived and died, but the author of Hebrews is using the mystery/absence of this info to liken him to Christ in His preincarnate state. The other is that this actually is Christ in His preincarnate state, but He appeared as a man like He ultimately did to reveal Himself as Son of God for us in order to become our High Priest.
  • Richard D. Fairhurst
    I agree that Genesis 15:13-14 was fulfilled when Israel left Eygpt in Exodus 12:36, but I believe that verse 16 was not fulfilled until Judges 1:20 when Hebron was taken. In order for the 4th generation to "come back here" they had to reach Hebron where Abraham heard these words ( Genesis 14:13). Because the Amorites had just fought as Abraham's allies God would not judge them until the 4th generation after the Exodus was ready to fight them. If any 1st generation freed Israelite man that perished in the wilderness begat a son that turned 20 and begat his grandson shortly after the army census in Numbers 1:20 in turn begat his great grandson prior to the 30th year in the wilderness than a great grandson of the 1st Exodus generation fighters would have reached fighting age when Hebron was taken. Abraham was being comforted that he would die in peace and not have to witness the judgment of his allies. God delay judgment of their sins by Abraham's descendants to recognize their part in the victory Abraham had just won for his nephew Lot.

    This interpretation also shows that the wilderness wandering was actually a mercy to Abraham that allowed God time to raise an army that was far more worthy of victory over Abraham's allies descendants only after God allowed the full measure of their sins to show that their descendants judgement was just. That 1st generation unbelieving army of Exodus slaves that tested God 10 times and shrank back from fighting was unworthy in God's sight of judging the sins of Abraham's Amorite allies descendants and would have been unworthy of victory over them in Abraham's sight as well.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 2
    Hi BMW.

    Part 6.

    EVIDENCE OF DIVINE CONCERN FOR THE GENTILES. Continued.

    (1) The practice of offering sacrifices as atonement, typically foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, apparently was a human requirement from the very commencement of history. Abel, son of Adam and Eve, brought the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" ( Genesis 4:4). The offering must have been killed, otherwise he could not have presented the fat, which was the best part. Moreover, we are told that "righteous Abel" (so designated by Jesus [ Matthew 23:35]) offered his sacrifice "by faith" ( Hebrews 11:4), which, in the overall context of this chapter, clearly is an objective faith grounded in revelation, and not that which was subjectively whimsical.

    When Noah departed from the ark after the waters of the flood subsided, he built an altar and offered sacrifices of every clean animal and bird, and Jehovah was pleased with his offering ( Genesis 8:20-21). What compelled him to do such?

    Melchizedek, whom Abraham encountered on his return from the rescue of his nephew, was designated by Moses as a "priest of God Most High" ( Genesis 14:18). A priest is an appointed servant who officiates in the offering of sacrifices to atone for sin. The modernistic notion that Melchizedek was merely the "high god" priest of the Canaanites (e.g., Baal), worshipped in pre-Israelite Jerusalem, is absurd (Hicks 1962, 343). God would hardly have chosen a Baal-worshipper to be a type, prophetically previewing his Son ( Hebrews 7:3). See also Leupold (1942, 463).

    (2) The entire world population was one in kind prior to the call of Abraham. He was the first to be designated a Hebrew ( Genesis 14:13). The Hebrews were not set apart as a distinct people until the giving of the law of Moses ( Exodus 19:5-6; cf. Ephesians 2:14). It is wholly unrealistic not to recognize that God's love for the Gentiles was a part of the ancient world.

    See Part 7 of 7!
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Matthew 22
    Matthew 22:45, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 1, Colossians 3:1, Mark 16:19, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 5:31,

    Luke 22:69, Psalms 110:1, Psalms 110:4, later referenced to clarify Jesus' priesthood Genesis 14:18, Hebrews 7,

    Psalms 110:5-6

    Hopefully these scripture references are helpful.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Hi Rick,

    Thanks, I totally agree, I guess I could have left that out. Melchizedek is a subject we do not have enough biblical information to find the truth. He is in only three books Genesis 14, Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5 and 7. He's a mysterious figure being king of Salem or Shalem, that was known as Jebus, the city of Jebusites that David defeated and now is Jerusalem.

    The priest was called of God, as Aaron was, and all the priest to Israel were the Levitical priesthood, that was the order. We know Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, and Psalms 110:4 was fulfilled by Jesus. It is an interesting subject and there is more that could be discussed but where would it go. It will still end with questions unanswered.

    God bless, and have a great day.

    RLW
  • Reginald Davis on Exodus 26
    How did Abraham see Jesus?

    John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad".

    Psalm 110:4 "...Thou (Jesus) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek".

    Abraham saw Jesus through Melchizedek, Genesis 14.
  • Pedro - in Reply on Revelation 10:11
    Jesus was a Hebrew. The 1st man to be called Hebrew was Abram ( Genesis 14:13)

    Jesus was Semitic (Shem), with color and tone similar to their Arab cousins

    Today's Jews are Ashkenazi ( Genesis 10:2-3) they are 7th century Khazar converts of Japheth. ( Revelation 2:9)



    ( Genesis 9:27) God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Sounds like Canaan will be a slave to his two brothers ( Isaiah 14:1-2)
  • Mick - in Reply on Psalms 27
    Hi Gloria,

    There are several references to tithing in the Bible. Check out Genesis 14:20. A book I have that is helpful in these matters is Where to Find It in the Bible by Ken Anderson.
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Melchizedek was a King of Salem (an old reference to a city that eventually became the position of modern Jerusalem) & a priest. In those early days, gentile kings often had the duty of being a priest as well to their people. Though he was a gentile (a Canaanite) but one of such standing & belief of the True God, that he was not only worthy of mention, but his lack of revealed ancestry, provided a picture of the eternal priesthood of Jesus (to which Hebrews ascribe).

    When you read the Genesis 14 account of Abraham & Melchizedek, we see that this king acknowledged Abraham returning from war & provided him & his men victuals to sustain them. In return, Abraham gave to him tithes (a tenth) of the spoils of war, thereby acknowledging his position & help given & the blessing of God upon him for doing this for God's servant. Ordinarily, such a gentile would not have been given much attention & respect, but Melchizedek was a different character in many ways.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 1
    It's gratifying to read of your interest in this subject; the whole Book of Hebrews is so very special as it shows us the beauty of Christ Jesus & His superiority over the prophets, angels, Moses & in His (Jesus') Priesthood. Keep reading the Word of God & keep enquiring into its richness - it is God's Message for you to build you up & encourage you.

    So, in this respect of what the Hebrews writer has given, Abraham is seen as not greater than Melchisedec. And this was shown by the fact that Abraham gave Melchisedec a tenth of the spoils of war, when in fact such an act would be reserved to giving them to the priests. Yet, there was no official priesthood then, as Levi (from whom the priesthood came) was not born, but in the olden days, the kings also sometimes served as priests. In this instance, Melchisedec was a king in Canaan & even though not having any heritage to a godly line, was still a man of God, we understand, whom God had blessed & endowed to specially serve his people. Abraham's coming to him after the war, prompted Melchisedec to give Abraham & his troop food & in return Abraham paid tithes to him. Genesis 14:18. So in this respect, Abraham, though the Father of many nations, was lesser in status to Melchisedec, who pointed to a greater King & Priest.

    And because there was no record of Melchisedec's family heritage, nor of his birth & death, the Hebrews writer uses him to show that Jesus comes as his type, rather than from the Levitical priesthood. Even though Melchisedec was a man who still had a history, the knowledge we have of him, shows Jesus as his type: not from a line of priests; no descendants in his office as Priest; no commencement or close of his office as Priest. What is said of Jesus: He "hath an unchangeable priesthood" ( Hebrews 7:24), & because of this & His Perfection & Holiness, Jesus is able "to save (all people) to the uttermost that come to God by Him" (verse 25). That is, this Priest Jesus also became the Offering for mankind.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 51
    Zion, generally is referred to as Jerusalem (the City of David). Sometimes, it is referred to as the Fortress of Zion or Mount Zion. The earliest reference to Jerusalem is in Genesis 14:18, when Melchizedek, King of Salem went out to meet Abram. Jerusalem means, City/Town/House of Peace.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Genesis 2
    One last thing Genesis 3:15 gives a hint of the coming savior
    Genesis 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. one day messiah shall crush the head of the serpent.

    Many claim Job is older than Genesis
    Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
  • Bro Emeka Ihai - in Reply
    Dear John, Melchizedek is a Priest of the God to whom Abraham gave the tithes of all after delivering his nephew lot who was captured during a war Genesis 14:18-23 . This singular act was the reason why Jesus could come from the tribe of Judah to become our High Priest of the New Testament forever making intercession for Us to Psalm 110:1-end, Hebrews 7:1-end . Godbless you
  • Lucinda Palestrant on 1 Samuel 20
    David, Genesis 14:14 says Abram armed his trained servants. Another verse that Abram said his eldest servant ruled over everything he owned. I consent to these verses that the word servant can sometimes be a protector or soldier. But, verse 1 Samuel 20:35, etc. does not say "a little lad went with him" was his protector.
  • Rachel on Genesis 14
    Search of the New Testament using your tool shows no connection to Melchizedek of Genesis 14. Yeth he is spoken of by name in the N.T. Why is your search wrong?
  • Langley on Genesis 14:18
    If you read everything in the Bible concerning this individual, there is more information. Genesis 14 18, Psalm 110, and Hebrews 5, 6, 7.
  • Roy Wuthier on John 8:56
    In Genesis 14 18 Melchizedek an acknowledged type of Jesus Christ king of Salem peace priest of God Most High brought out bread and wine and blessed Abraham saying Blessed be Abram by God Most High maker of heaven and earth Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything he had won in the battle with Chedorlaomer One needs to read the full account in Genesis where the Lord came to Abram in a vision and told him Fear not Abram I am your shield your reward shall be very great From all this it seems to me that in these encounters Abram indeed saw Christ and rejoiced exceedingly from this revelation
  • AMEMSOR-DOE GIFTY on Genesis 14
    AS A CHRISTIAN, IS NOT EVERY GIFT THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE FOOT STEP OF OUR PAPA ABRAHAM. GENESIS 14:23
    THAT I WILL NOT TAKE FROM A THREAD EVEN TO A SHOELACHET, AND THAT IS THINE, LEST THOU SHOULDEST SAY, I MADE ABRAM RICH.
  • Bro. Daniel FC on Hebrews 7
    @ Reggie,
    Comments on Hebrews 7:8. You say: “The only way to pay tithes today is to witness that Jesus lives... Our life then becomes a living epistle, in honoring our Great High Priest”.
    While I like very much the idea of honoring our God by our lives, as “living epistles”, I don’t agree with your idea of not paying tithe. Here’s why: The “tithes and offerings” principle/law was established by God way before Sinai. Remember Abraham paying tithe to Melchisedec ( Genesis 14)? The tithes were supposed to take care of the “men of God”, the poor and the orphans. The tenth belonged to God before the cross, and is His today. The same Apostle Paul says: “The labourer is worthy of his reward” ( 1Timothy 5:18), and “Even so hath THE LORD ORDAINED that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel” ( 1 Corinthians 9:14). You don’t suppose the Gospel Workers should be paid of government subsidies?! … Your reference to Romans 10:4 doesn’t apply. Here’s what bro. Malachi says: “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?: In tithes and offerings ( Malachi 3:8).
    But the best argument of paying tithes and offerings is made by Jesus in Matthew 25:40, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me”. And you know what will happen to those who don’t… God bless.
  • Salomão on Proverbs 16:19
    That's why Abraham the patriarch denied to divide the spoil with the king of Sodom in Genesis 14:21-24. We must live for God's blessings!
  • Merwin Krish on Hebrews 5
    My dear brothers and sisters, let us have a look from the prompt.. JESUS is of the tribe of Judah in Genesis 49:10, Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:6. He is Melchizedek in Hebrews 7 ( Genesis 14:18). What does it mean? Read Hebrews 7:2, he is a priest without being from the tribe of Levi.. but if you count any priest in the bible, all are by the tribe of Levi.. So what is the link in between Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5:10... both didn't come from the tribe of Levi. Therefore what should be the consequence? Read Hebrews 7:11-18.. So we should be aware of this simple oracle.. as in Hebrews 5:12.


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