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  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Fruit of the Spirit.

    Part 1 of 4.

    Dr. J. Vernon McGee, gives us some practical help in our choices that transform our character.

    So what is the fruit of walking with God? Let's go straight to the orchard and examine the fruit that is in the life of the believer.

    Jesus said, "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing." - John 15:4, 5

    If you were not raised in the country, you may not know that in every fruit orchard, there is always something else that tries to overcome the fruit. In nature, slugs and bugs and stinkweeds all attempt to crowd out the fruit. And in the life of the believer, there are always things that will attempt to crowd out the fruit of the Spirit. In other words, it's quite possible that the weeds grow and the fruit will not be produced. Paul spoke of that very thing in Galatians 5:17.

    See part 2.
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    Fruit of the Spirit.

    Part 3.

    I personally believe that's a law of God, just like the law of gravity. If a farmer sows corn, you can be sure that he'll reap corn. If he sows wheat, he'll reap wheat. My friend, as a believer, if you are sowing to the flesh, you "will of the flesh reap corruption." There is no way around it.

    Now, the child of God does not have to produce these things. We can produce the fruit of the Spirit. God has another principle:

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. - Galatians 5:22, 23

    You can't produce these fruit by following the Law; in fact, there is not one of these lovely fruits that you can produce on your own. We are totally incapable; it can only be produced by the Holy Spirit. "For the fruit of the Spirit," Paul says in Ephesians 5:9, "is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth." You can know whether you are living by the flesh or living in the power, in the fullness, of the Holy Spirit by seeing if He is producing these fruits in your life.

    See Part 4.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gerald,

    Here is my continuation:

    I have given my understanding of the human kind of persuasion, or human faith. It is persuading ourselves to believe.

    The God kind of persuasion, or biblical faith describes what God's Spirit does in the life of the believer.

    All of His ministry to me, everything that God's Spirit does in me, and everything that God's Spirit does when I get together with other believers for bible study, and I'm not saying that 100% of it is the Lord, but every time the Holy Spirit ministers to me, it all comes under the category of persuasion because He is someone I cannot see, and cannot audibly hear.

    There is something persuading us about the truth, or persuading us about the things of Christ.

    I have a personal definition of faith. Faith is the presence and activity of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life.

    That's God's faith. That's the faith that's in the bible. In Galatians 5:22, it says but the fruit of the Spirit, (speaking of the Holy Spirit), is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, and faith.

    Faith is a fruit of God's Spirit. Faith is a persuasion which God's Spirit produces, not man.

    In Hebrews 12:2, we are told to run the race, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.

    However, the word "our" as in our faith, it's not in the Greek text. It's the word "the." He is the author and the finisher of the faith.

    If you have a copy of the old King James Bible, there are numerous phrases that talk about the faith of Christ.

    The newer translations will take the phrase "the faith of Christ," and change it to faith "in" Christ, because the translators said it makes it sound like it's the Lord's faith. Well, duh! But they said it must be "in Christ." No, it's the faith of Christ!

    I am going to need one more post. My apologies for being long winded!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gerald,

    I'm happy to answer your questions on these scriptures.

    Galatians 5:16 starts off by saying, "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit." That's a Present Tense Imperative. What it is saying is "Be (continually) walking under the influence of God's Spirit." That's actually a command. In Ephesians 5:18, Paul says be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit. The word filled means influenced. Seek to be influenced by the Spirit. Paul focuses on the influences in our life, the persuasions and the various things that influence us and take us captive.

    Romans 6:12, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body." That's easier said than done. But again, it's the sin. Let not the (sin principle) reign in your mortal body. How can he say that? It's because he is leading us into the fact that when we get to Verse 14, where it says that sin shall not lord it over you, that is a factual statement, (not should not, but it cannot). If I sin, it is because I made the choice. But once I'm saved, it's the power of God's Spirit in me that gives me the power over sin.

    Lastly, 1 John 3:6, "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

    It sounds like a Christian does not sin according to scriptures. But here's what it's saying: The word abides is a Present Participle, (abiding). Whoever is abiding in Him "is" (Present Tense), not sinning, (continuously as a habit of life). It's not talking about committing an act of sin. It's talking about committing sin continuously, a lifestyle of not surrendering to Christ.

    It's a condition. Whoever is continuously remaining (Abiding/MENO) in Him, does not practice sin, ever!

    As someone who has been born of the Spirit of God, I can never go back and live the old lifestyle I lived before I received Christ. It's impossible!

    The contrast: "Whoever sins, and again that's a Participle. Whoever is (continuously sinning) has not seen Him, neither have they known Him.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Carthage,

    The joy of the Lord is the unshakeable conviction that God loves you more than you can fathom, the rock-solid God is with you everywhere you go.

    You get the joy of the Lord through doing His will, otherwise, the Christian will lead a sad, defeated life.

    1. When you sin, confess it right there, right then.

    2. Find His purpose for you in life. You can do this by drawing closer and closer to Him through prayer, reading, and studying His word. Form a habit of daily devotions, praising God, confessing sin--known, those you've forgotten, and those you don't know about--pray for others, whatever the Holy Spirit convicts you to say. Don't worry about being eloquent, just talk to the Father.

    3. Heed the conviction of the Holy Spirit, whether it is to confess sin or to witness for Jesus Christ to someone--whatever He bids you do.

    4. Meditate on the character of God--His love for you, his mercies, blessings, protection, answers to prayer...

    5. Meditate on the Gospel. Every one of your sins, past, present, and future has been paid for in full.

    There is no judgment left for you, only mercy.

    --You are an adopted son or daughter of God and will receive an inheritance from God.

    --You have been freed from the power of sin and now have power to obey.

    --You call God, "Father," and have an intimate relationship with him.

    --You are part of God's forever family and uniquely joined to his people.

    --You have life everlasting and will eventually experience the new heavens and new earth.

    And so much more

    6. Do good works toward others.

    I am praying for you. I leave you with this:

    Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    God bless!
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Discussion on God's love.

    Much of today's talk is of "falling in love" with Christ. We need to carefully examine the character and nature of the Godhead before attaching human; emotional or seemingly romantic sentiments on the Creator and Judge; Lord; Savior and Master.

    There is no root in human nature; i.e. the flesh which desires God; in fact we are at enmity with Him in our carnal state and in fact enemies of God ( Romans 5:10). The fact that there is contention between the flesh and Spirit ( Galatians 5:17); and vice versa.

    It is only in dying to self where we can submit to His authority; and the source of the life within us comes from heavenly places ( Galatians 2:20). The closest we could say about a human relationship is that we submit to each other; or sacrifice our lives.

    Apart from Christ; we have two sinners that are by the grace of God involved (if married) in a covenant with God where if allowed in a best case scenario the individuals will finally be broken enough to realize that the Lord is the only thing that can change their selfish interest and natures. Any human sentiment is based on self satisfaction and or gratification which at best is a skewed shadow of God's love. This is also illustrated in Christ's story of how even us "being evil" bring good gifts to our kids. ( Matthew 7:11). We are also "unworthy servants" if we do what is expected ( Luke 17:10).

    There are those who would at least put on a show of outward appearance of kindness; generousity; and self sacrifice. Apart from Christ; we can only say that the Lord is using these individuals to meet earthly needs as well as those of believers in His Providence. It is only by His grace that we would want to take on the nature of Christ; a "man of sorrows' ( Isaiah 53:3); as well as dying to self daily; carrying our cross and truly being a disciple and counting the cost. And today's Christian industries of entertainment often appeal the flesh; and have weak at best doctrines to live by.
  • Slaney3 - 1 year ago
    From what I understand, believers in Christ are no longer under the Old Testament law. But isn't the fruit of the indwelling spirit to be the NT teachings, not to do an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth? That the law is fulfilled in one word: to love thy neighbor as thyself ( Galatians 5:14).

    So it's not that we have to worry about turning from sin (the law is covered), but the NT teachings must dwell within a Christian or else the truth is not in him ( 1 John 2:3).
  • Chris - In Reply on Colossians 1 - 1 year ago
    Amen GiGi. The question that should be asked is: 'how much do we allow the Holy Spirit to have of us, so as to direct our lives?' We know that the Spirit of God yearns that we be conformed to Christ's Image ( Romans 8:29); yet our flesh continually desires conformation to the world ( Romans 12:2). The more of the 'world' that drops off, the road before us towards maturity (perfection) becomes more visible & desirable - though the end of it can only be Heaven when all traces of the world & sin are removed.

    As the apostle wrote, "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit" ( Galatians 5:24,25). And it's only by the Power of the Spirit in us can our flesh be crucified, and only by the Life of the Spirit in us can we truly walk in the Spirit, desiring only to please our Lord God & His Son. Those who so walk, can be confident that "an entrance shall be ministered unto (them) abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." ( 2 Peter 1:11).
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Nai, Jesus didn't promise us a life without problems and struggles. He promised to be with us during our rough times. If you have been saved, you have been sealed and nothing can take that away from you. Have faith, Nai, and endure to the end. Those who have been saved bear the fruit of the Spirit: Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Love is the greatest fruit. You can have everything in the world, but if you do not have love, you have nothing.

    Jesus is the only way to be saved. Here are the instructions--

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.

    If you have asked Him to forgive you and come into your heart, you are saved. Surrender to Him. Do His will. Pray, read and study His Word, bear witness of him, have faith.

    God bless you!
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sorcery : 1Samuel 15:23, 2Chronicles 33:6, Galatians 5:19-21, Isaiah 47:9-15, Isaiah 57:3-21, Malachi 3:5, Acts 8:9-24, Acts 13:6-8, Revelation 9:20,21, Revelation 18:23,24, Revelation 21:7,8, Revelation 22:12-15, read all in context

    I guess it can be described as simple opposition to GOD, "rebellion is as witchcraft " leading into much worse.

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Ruben, Apparently God is convicting you to come back to Him for restoration. Prayers are going up for you. But in the end, it is up to you to repent, and the time is now.

    Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

    1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    I pray that you will reach out to Him today.:
  • Cindy R Wiggins Tapia - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Marie, things do not bring happiness (though spiritual blessings do bring much joy). God gives us joy when we are saved and take up the cross and follow Him: Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    To be saved:

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Sermon Part 2)

    Goodness, this is where good and goodness and all the words that have to do with AGATHOS come from. It displays not a human goodness, but a Spiritual Godly goodness.



    And then here is something that can be pointed out if you so choose. Notice what the King James has. It has the word faith. The more modern translations have changed this to faithfulness, an adjective. But it's not an adjective. It is still the same noun that has been in all the manuscripts. All the manuscripts read the same. The King James has it correct. It seems as thought they couldn't come to grips and justify that God's Spirit produces faith, so they changed it to faithfulness. But it's faith!

    And then you get to Galatians 5:23, and you see the word meekness. There is an old saying that goes, "Meekness does not mean weakness." It means openness or receptivity. It's one of the words that Paul used for those in ministry. It's also translated gentleness. But it means to be open. The person who's giving the word and ministering the things of Christ, that person must be more open and receptive than any other person. They can't close themselves off like they have arrived and everybody else hasn't. They have to be open.

    And then temperance means self-control, or more literally the control of self. This is not self-control like trying to enforce discipline in our eating, as in "I've got to exhibit more self-control when I eat." This word means to be controlled from within, to be controlled by the Spirit of God.

    And then he says against such there is no law. And again, he's saying that this is the fruit of God's Spirit. There is no law against these.

    I know this is not a whole lot, but perhaps this might be of some help as you get ready to present your own sermon.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Sermon Part 1)

    Caleb,

    If I were given the opportunity in church to speak on Galatians 5:22-23, this is probably how I would present it:

    I would break down each fruit listed; love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, and present.

    Beginning with Galatians 5:22, it says, But the fruit of the Spirit is, and then I would draw the attention of those whom I am presenting this to the fact that the word fruit is singular. People have tried to fit all this into a singular fruit. Most of the time people say love is the fruit that all the others are based on, so it's singular.

    But it's actually more inclusive than that! All of these items are elements of the same and the one fruit. You cannot separate love from faith, and joy from faith, and joy from love because it's from the same Spirit. There's only one Spirit and this is Him.

    And then you can break down the elements listed:

    The first element of the one fruit is love, AGAPE. God's Spirit produces love. You and I cannot produce AGAPE love.

    Joy, and that's not the dishwashing soap (If you want to add humor)! It's the Greek word for satisfaction. Be satisfied with the Lord at all times, and again I will say be satisfied. It doesn't mean a happy feeling. It means to be satisfied.



    And then peace. The word peace, EIRENE, means unity.

    Longsuffering means to be slow in human reaction. In God's standpoint, I can tolerate and be slow in my human reaction because that is a characteristic of God's Spirit, not me.

    Gentleness, which is literally the word kindness, and it has to do with being useful. It is Spiritual usefulness. The bible says that if you don't know Christ, you are not spiritually useful at all!

    I will send Part 2 shortly.
  • Rev. Caleb T. Serrano - 1 year ago
    Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    How can I put this in a Sirmon
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Gav, if you are saved, ask God to forgive you of those addictions and the sins you have committed and repent from them--that is, turn away from them with God's help and never take them up again.

    Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

    1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Psalm 25:4 Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

    Now, I would ask: have you been born again? There is no peace without Christ. This is how to be saved:

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.

    "As it is written, 'There is none righteous, no, not one.'" ( Romans 3:10)



    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." ( Romans 3:23)

    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23)

    "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." ( Romans 5:8)



    "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ( Romans 10:13)
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Mark,

    My comment is that salvation is conditional whether people believe it or not, because its what the Bible says. It's full of calls to action and challenging us to change our behavior. Most people will not be saved Matthew 7:13. Salvation is with grace but is only for believers/followers- a choice that each person must make. One way to summarize this action appears to be genuine belief and faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16. That is an action and choice.

    So, if someone does not believe, one can presume the unbeliever will not be saved. This already "offends" a lot of people, because some want to justify themselves in their own mind while doing the bare minimum they assume God wants. Some have been deceived into believing obeying God is "bad." But believing is only one of many action verbs the Bible challenges us to do. Other actions fall under this category of genuine active belief and following Jesus too. All these verses in the Bible are true and are equally important. Some like to cherry pick one, but ignore others and assume they don't apply, but they all apply and are true and are God's word.

    believe:

    John 3:16

    follow Jesus:

    John 8:12

    deny himself:

    Luke 9:23

    confess:

    Romans 10:9

    faith:

    Ephesians 2:8

    hearing:

    Romans 10:17

    repent and be baptized:

    Acts 2:38

    keep commandments:

    John 15:10

    love:

    Matthew 22:37-40

    There are many more. Some falsely assume by obeying God they are doing 'works' and that is 'bad', therefore, obeying God is 'bad'. No, that's not what the Bible says, and obeying doesn't mean you're saved by works or that people who obey believe that.

    My last comment is that James and Paul are consistent. Some assume Paul was anti-works, but only if you cherry pick a few verses and ignore large parts of his book can that conclusion be drawn. Paul was very much pro-obedience as the following verses demonstrate:

    Romans 2:9-10

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    Galatians 5:1-4

    2 Timothy 2:10

    Hebrews 10:26

    2 Corinthians 5:10
  • T Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    1Samuel 15:23, 2Chronicles 33:6-11, Galatians 5:16-24,

    Isaiah 47:9-15, Malachi 3:5, Acts 8:9-24, Revelation 9:20,21, in context Revelation 9:15-21, Revelation 18:23, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 22:15, in Context Revelation 22,

    James 1:5,

    Hopefully these help
  • Cindy - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Ruben, God will restore you to His will. All you have to do is ask Him to forgive you and repent from your backsliding ways with His help. Psalms 139:23, 24 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Pray, read and study His Word, asking Him to show you how to walk. Psalm 25:4 Show me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths.

    Here is the fruit of the Spirit that true Christians bear with the help of God. Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    This prayer will help with what you are going through with the devil:

    Father, please give me wisdom, strength, and determination to stand in the battle raging

    about me. Help me use all the armor and weapons You have given me to their fullest extent. 2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

    God bless!
  • Ferdinand Amponsah - In Reply on Galatians 5 - 1 year ago
    Please explain this to me well I don't understand it well
  • BSP on Galatians 5 - 1 year ago
    Verse 26-The spirit of competition can be strong, but we want to imitate Christ and not be competitive or stir up competition.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    a. Faith comes by hearing or reading the Word of God.

    Romans 10:17 "So then FAITH cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

    b. Faith is a fruit of the Holly Spirit. (ie by praying in Spirit)

    Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH , Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

    c. Faith is a GIFT from God. So ask God for faith.

    1 Corinthians 12:8-10 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

    To another FAITH by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

    To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

    d. FAITH is also increased through the actions of God in one's life. When did Paul believe in Jesus? When he saw Him on his way to Damascus. When did Sergius Paulus in Cyprus believe in Paul's preaching? When he saw that sorcerer Elymas getting blind. Acts 13.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen Gigi.

    It's The Lords peace!

    John 14:27. Peace I leave with you, MY PEACE I GIVE UNTO YOU: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    IT'S A FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT THAT THE WORD CAN'T GIVE. WE ARE TO EXPECT TRIBULATION IN THE WORLD.

    Galatians 5:22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 5 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 5: Focus on the seven Spirits of God.

    Revelation 4:5 also discusses the seven Spirits of God along with Revelation 5:6. Apparently; Isaiah 11:2 is a commonly referred to cross reference; although technically it involves 6 ministries under the Lord Himself (as the 7th); it does fit in a sort of Menorah picture of how the Spirit operates in the entire corporate Body. We see a further description in Zechariah 4:2-3 of this source (apparently now in heaven); and the two prophets that tap into this power as witnesses throughout the earth in the end times. That can be studied further in Revelation 11.

    It would seem that the seven spiritual gifts also would be in play here as to the emphasis given to a given church. This would be seen in Romans 12:6-8. In general; it seems that there are certain strengths and weaknesses that are commonplace depending on what gifts we have and that could factor into the overall situation as to the state of a congregation; what trials a particular congregation may or may not be called to suffer; doctrinal errors that creep in; etc. It is important to see the interdependence here so that the church isn't imbalanced

    ( 1 Cor. 12:14-16). In fact; we also see seven gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:8-11. It is important to differentiate between the fruit of the Spirit (love; joy; peace; longsuffering; etc) in Galatians 5:22-22 which characterizes the lives of all true believers and the particular ministries they have. We can't have one without the other. The common thread; of course is the love of God and brethren as seen in John 13:34-35; and reflected in 1 Corinthians 13 (entire chapter). Apparently; gifts can operate even with immature saints just as some could believe at one time without understanding the indwelling Holy Spirit such in Acts 19:1-4.

    In conclusion; God distributes as He will or "severally" ( 1 Cor. 12:11). In obedience because we love Christ ( John 14:15) we have the right attitude to grow.
  • Giannis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Russell

    Galatians 5:19-21

    "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

    Idolatry, WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

    Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

    The ancient greek for "witchcraft"(sorcery) is "pharmakeia". "Pharmakon" in greek means "medicine", But in ancient times it meant "drug" (narcotics) and "poison" as well, since narcotics were made by natural chemicals (herbs) at that time, like medicine were made by herbs too. And since witchcraft was done using herbs as well, in ancient greek it was called "pharmakeia" (not in modern greek). It is not to be mixed up with todays english words like pharmaceuticals, pharmacy etc, which have to do with medicine only.

    The Bible doesn't deal specifically with narcotics since in ancient times they were not used by people extensively (probably only for divination, pagan prophesying), or not at all actually. But sorcery was something very common at that time. The Bible does not suggest to keep away from pharmaceuticals, medicine. Evangelist Luke was actually a physician himself.

    GBU
  • Chris - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
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    Thank you bro Giannis for your lengthy reply - & I trust you had a profitable time away. I'll try to deal with the points you raised.

    a. Agreed, Galatians is written to believers & in Galatians 5:1, we read of Paul's urgent warning to stand fast in the liberty given by Christ & not be swayed by others to become entangled into legalistic bondage (the Law/circumcision). And so Paul lays out the Truth to these who may be considering/drifting towards this false teaching: 'if your justification comes by obedience to the Law, then God's Grace (salvation) would no longer be yours.' I see this as a warning towards a principal: 'Law & Grace don't mix, so stand fast in Christ's liberty.' Hopefully, those erring Galatians would heed Paul's teaching rather than the false ones, & hold onto the Truth.

    But your question would be, 'what about those who don't heed it, won't they fall from God's Grace?' I agree that they would, but did anyone from their midst, come to this sad state of losing their salvation? Or was it simply Paul's warning to the Church about this false doctrine, that righteousness doesn't come by obedience to the Law, therefore don't be fooled by this teaching. And to add, Paul says in verse 10, "I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be." I guess, it depends how one wants to view this passage in Galatians: as a warning against false teachers or as a teaching that salvation can be lost.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Sheyibrown.

    Scripture agrees with what Luke has spoken.

    For one the law wasn't given to Gentiles it was given to Israel. I wasn't given to JUSTIFY anyone for salvation.

    Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE."

    Here's a few scriptures to study:

    Please don't just read these Scriptures, Study them!! These are very important Scriptures that is ignored by some. Understanding these scriptures can help keep one from being deceived atleast in this area anyway.

    Galatians 3:1-29.

    Galatians Ch 4 and 5.

    2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

    Also study.

    Hebrews 8:1-13 and

    Hebrews 9:1-28.

    It's interesting what you will find in Hebrews when ministering the first covenant. It WASN'T about just being obedient to the 10 commandments, There were services that had to be performed to extreme precision.

    There was the high priest that ministered THOSE services under THAT covenant in a WORLDLY sanctuary. The services had to be rendered perfectly but they couldn't make you perfect. They had no effect on the heart of man. Men heart is incurably wicked. The new covenant where Christ is the High priest He came to give you a new Heart and the REST that the old covenant couldn't give. Because no one could keep or be justified by the old covenant.

    Why is it that those who desire to add their means of justifying themselves they choose what they think is the easiest to do and not realize in their lusty heart they break the commandments.

    James 2:10.

    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28.

    Study those chapters.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 1 year ago
    Continued from previous.

    What should be asked and a great concern is what should salvation look like in a believer because many shall be deceived.

    First of all shall you continue in sin?

    Paul answers that here in

    Romans 6:1-4.

    We have been REGENERATED, REBORN, Given a new heart and ready to present Christ work through us. Titus 3:4-6.

    We have eternal life now that can bare fruit such as faith ect...

    This is what James is saying in James 2:17-18.

    What James is saying is he's going to show that this gift is in him by his works. You see a Christian is saved UNTO good works. Ephesians 2:10.

    When you are saved, you are baptized into Christ. It is he that works in you. Philippians 2:13.

    Also;

    Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, THAT HE WHICH HATH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST:

    If you can loose your salvation all these scriptures means nothing.

    Here's another scripture often used.

    John 14:15. "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Well look at the next verse.

    Vs 16. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH YOU FOR EVER; This Love is a fruit, so who is causing you to Love Christ? CHRIST SPIRIT, The HG.

    Most people say you can loose your salvation also believes you can earn salvation which you can't do. And if they hold to that it's sad to say but the scripture says they have fallen from Grace. Galatians 5:4.

    I believe this means comes up short.

    Now if you come up short you will hear this. "And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23.

    I never knew you can never be told to a believer because of this verse. "My sheep hear my voice,.... AND I KNOW THEM,.... and they follow me: John 10:27.

    Now if a person have habitual sin in their life, Chances are you're not saved. And you can't loose what you don't have.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • D W L on Hebrews 12:1 - 1 year ago
    James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (This is the word of God - not an opinion)

    Romans 6:15-23 (verse 18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (comment-What if you die suddenly while committing one of the above)

    Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. ( There is a difference in a fault and willful sin)
  • Chris - In Reply on John 13 - 1 year ago
    Hi Giannis. Just one matter that struck me, from Richards reference to Galatians 5:4 ("falling from grace") & your reference to Hebrews 12:15 ("failing the grace of God"). Both Greek words are different as you know: (ekpipto; hustereo), indicating a different application. One, where those who seek justification by the Law instead of the Grace of God do not have salvation, and the other, those who don't "diligently" look to their manner of living (holiness), will receive the Lord's chastisement & fall short (fail) of God's Grace.

    I seem to see a difference here: one where salvation is never possessed because of trusting in the Law, and the other, where salvation is undermined, not enjoying the fullness of God's Grace, receiving chastisement. The Hebrews writer goes on to write about Esau (v16) who relinquished his birthright (akin to a sinner rejecting God's Offer of salvation meant to be received & enjoyed by all, having lost all hope). He then introduces Moses ("him that spake on Earth" v25): if the Israelite disobeyed Moses' warnings, punishment of death ensued. And then to Jesus, the Mediator of the New Covenant (v24): how much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him.

    In all these warnings, chastisement of the believer is God's Rod to bring the erring child back into line. But as those who refused to obey Moses under the Law & those who turn away from obeying Jesus under Grace, an untimely death will follow if warnings are not heeded. Some see the "shall we not escape" (v25), indicating that salvation would be lost if we turn away from Christ (as in Esau's rejection), but my question: is the matter of salvation spoken of here, or, the matter of death (as those so judged under Moses)? Does the believer lose his salvation or is he first chastised, even to loss of life, if he refuses to listen (he turns away - his ears/heart) from Jesus? An interesting passage; trying to marry up all the verses associated with it from verses 5 to 25.


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