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Galatians 2 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Rick - in Reply
    Gigi What I see and we really need to keep in mind Peter His heart was always in the right pace even before being

    born again. This guy wanted to take Jesus place at the cross, this guy had the guts to at least try to walk on water,

    this guy is the one who boldly stood up in the temple and gave the first if you will sermon to over 3000 people, so it

    I don't see willful sin I see someone still caught up in the old testament law which is not willful sin just a lack of

    understanding the grace but that just like us always learning.

    Look at Acts 10 When the angel said to cornelius send men to Joppa and find Simon Peter now verse 9 Peter

    Goes to the housetop to pray verse 10 was a vision[it was God showing Him something specific for his head to get] and peter was not

    so to speak out of it he was focused verse 11-16 He sees this three times and still doesn't get it. At that exact moment

    the messenger from cornelius is at the gate and the spirit says go with him!

    Look at Gods timing verses 20-27 explain the trip verse 28 God hath shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Look what it took to convince Peter that what he was about to do was Gods Will.

    When Paul went to Believers at Jerusalem Peter was acting one way around the gentiles when the judeans

    were not around and another way when they were around and that caused some serious division you had Jews siding with one person and then gentiles with another. Then in Galatians 2:14-21 he explains and corrects the error. So I don't see

    willful sin I see respect of persons not intentional and paul explaining look were not supposed to be divided. Peter never

    made an error of heart but of head. That's what I see. God Bless
  • Rick - in Reply
    Hi Gigi Peter did not willfully sin his thinking was still partially tied into the law by works not seeing the Justification by

    grace of God by believing in what Christ paid for which abolished the works of the law. Galatians 2:14-20 had to be a hot debate because barnabas was caught up in the debate. as a matter of fact Peter was wrong in His head but not in His heart, so he was acting and accusing others according to the law of not walking but He was doing the same thing but

    didn't see it. So that being said yes Peter was absolutely saved. We do the same thing to our when we start thinking if I

    don't dress a certain way or eat certain things or cut my hair a certain way then I'm not walking with God. Gods word says do your best to follow Gods word First and great commandment Love God with all your heart soul mind and strength

    then whatever you believe to do God Bless. I.E. walk in Agapeo This is my understanding God Bless
  • Rick - in Reply
    Gigi The question is who made available the spiritual faith of Jesus Christ, it was Gods giving by the completed work of His son after the resurrection. The law ended on Pentecost, Jesus christ fulfilled the law and the prophets that's why we are not justified by works of the law no flesh is justified. That's what Paul was up against when he went to Jerusalem and the division with them still doing the law in the Book of Galatians 2 whole chapter the contention was intense because they were operating under works not understanding the grace. The work is in the renewed mind walk in the spiritual faith if Jesus Christ. Here's the kicker if you are not born again you cannot renew your mind spiritually because you have to have spirit to do that just like fruits of the spirit. It is not a senses mental intellect thing. I'm not here to convince anybody I'm just sharing. It's the individuals privilege what to consider.
  • Diane Taylor - in Reply on Job 3
    Hello GiGi, What I meant was that there is only one gospel that can save mankind today, and that is the gospel of grace ( Acts 20:24 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4 That Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. Appropriated by faith alone apart from the Mosaic law ( Romans 3:20,21) The gospel of grace and doctrines for the body of Christ, the Church, was a secret ( Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3: 1-11) hidden in the mind of God until revealed to the apostle Paul. In other words, between the time God called Abraham and the calling of the apostle Paul, there was no message of salvation to the Gentile world ( Ephesians 2:11,12). The gospel of grace is most clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 " Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Paul's Gospel: The apostle Paul Holy Spirit inspired of course, repeatedly referred to the gospel of grace as "my gospel"( Romans 2:16, 16:25 Galatians 2:2,7: 2 Timothy 2:8) Paul could say this because the gospel of grace was in fact revealed to Paul alone and he was chosen by the ascended and risen Lord Himself to be the apostle of the Gentiles( Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13) These new revelations came approximately10 years after Pentecost ( Galatians 1:1,11-12;17) All mankind during the age of grace will be judged according to Paul's gospel. " In the day that God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel" Romans 2:16 Paul warned mankind twice in Galatians, anyone that preached any other gospel then what was revealed to him by the ascended Lord Himself will be cursed " Please read Galatians 1: 8-9 KJV
  • Tony Russo - in Reply
    Hi, Chris and Rick. I am only going to place English for each text I previously sent in the Greek. Romans 3:22, "Da pisteoos Ieesou Christou," "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," OR, "the faith that comes through Him."

    In Acts 3:16, The faith which is from (Or BY HIM)." "to onoma autou kai hee pistis hee di autou. If this verse were to read "Faith IN Jesus" rather than "Faith BY Him," the only way to translate this is, "OUR faith in Jesus Christ," healed the man!



    Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, "Ho de nun zoo en sarki en pistei zoo tee tou Huiou tou Theou." Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writers of Scriptur. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. The English robs God of His mercy and goodness in this last act with the lost. What word do you find in the Greek? Have you traced it? Let me know what you find. You will be amazed at the wealth of meaning the translators took from us!

    I have experienced a profound faith from Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son!

    He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness. Death waited for anyone who came into the Holy Place except for the High Priest. It is the devils lie telling us we can become as gods!

    Leviticus 16 has also given me further insight into what was required by the nation of Israel as they worshipped God on the Day of Atonement. On who did they place their faith?
  • Tony Russo - in Reply on Romans 3:4
    Hello Chris, You are correct about Romans 3:4, I gave a wrong text! Thank you for your comments. Some may read our thinking as a difference in semantics. Time for the Greek. Romans 3:22 reads in the KJV, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe." By faith of Jesus Christ in the Greek reads, , "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," or the faith that comes through Him. In Acts 3:16, "The faith which is From Him" is, " " If instead the phrase reads "faith IN Jesus Christ'" it could only mean OUR faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, , . Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writes of Scripture. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. Tell me the actual word.

    I have experienced a profound faith in Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son! He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness.

    Chris, my understanding has given me a freedom of absolute surrender to Christ I never experienced. It certainly does not distract my belief in the gospel. I no longer look at my faith to speak to the Father. I now speak to Him through the faith of Jesus. I never have to say again, "I wish I had stronger faith." I do have it! It is my faith in His faith for me!
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 3:4
    Hello Tony. I think of Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God". We see here that the "Gift of God" is the whole: Grace & Faith. Both are needed from Him to receive His Salvation: the Gift of Grace & the Gift of Faith.

    However, I couldn't place which verse(s) you were referring to. Both Romans 3:4 & Galatians 2:20, do not reveal what you suggest. Unless you were thinking of Galatians 3:26; Colossians 1:4; Colossians 2:5; & there may be more. I doubt if the apostle intended to infer that this was a faith generated by one towards attaining Christ, rather that the Gift being given & now existing in the believer, from which comes his varied expressions of that faith.
  • Tony Russo on Romans 3:4
    The text about faith in Christ is not true to the Greek which is plain to read in the original language. reads, "By the faith of Christ. Nestle, 1904, Westcott and Hort 1881, Scrivener's 1894, Tischendorf, 8th Edition 1872, and many others are clear in translating this verse the same. It is inaccurate and misleading to use a translation that promotes the faith of a believer in place of the faith of Christ. This error is also found in the translation of Galatians 2:20 "And the life I now live by faith in Jesu Christ." This last phrase, by faith in Christ can only mean one thing, it means, I am living my life in Christ by my faith. By THE faith OF Jesu Christ, I now live the life of total surrender by the faith of Christ. Therefore, I do not march and grow toward victory, I now live in Christ in victory. I approach our Father through the faith of Christ. He is our Advocate and Mediator before the Father. Of Him alone did God say, "With Him, I am well pleased." We please the Father when we come to Him in the faith of Christ. Example, A father puts money in a bank for his son. The money is under the son's name. He does not have the money himself but he has access to it from anywhere in the world. In a similar way, the faith we need to save us is not within us. It is found at the right hand of God and we draw on it "in Jesus name." Acts 3:16: "And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

    This faith Of Christ takes us to complete dependence on Him through His faith. He offers the secret of Christian victory over the flesh, the world and the devil, His own faith, for us.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Sacha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    I pray the Spirit carry you and I into a deeper spiritual understanding.

    The brick and mortar church is not what is reality, God starts us of in this physical church, and then brings us OUT of the physical understanding into spiritual understanding.

    You and I (mankind) are the TRUE CHURCH (temple of God), you and I (mankind, whether male of female) are the WOMAN, Christ is the MAN (husband).

    We as the woman are to be silent in the church and let the man, our husband be the head and do ALL THINGS through HIM. When you have questions, ASK you husband.

    1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam (Christ)(the husband) was not deceived, but the WOMAN (you and I, mankind) being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

    1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she (THE WOMAN, you and I, mankind) shall be SAVED IN CHILDBEARING (giving birth to the promise SEED, the WORD of God, life, truth, the way), if they continue in FAITH ( Galatians 2:16)( Galatians 2:20) and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    May we grow in wisdom and understanding. GBU
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Lina, may God's favour continue to shine upon you.

    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he SUFFERED.

    We bear the same cross and walk the same path to Calvary.

    1 Corinthians 15:31 ...We DIE daily..

    Romans 6:6 ...our old man was crucified with him .....

    Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nonetheless I LIVE, yet not I, but Christ LIVETH IN ME: and the life I now live IN THE FLESH I live by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery ...CHRIST IN US .....

    GBU
  • Chris - in Reply
    Yes Glenn - very sad but very real. And you probably remember that the first sign of divisions took place in Corinth (see 1 Corinthians 1:10-13).

    Here the Corinthian Church began to factionalize, probably emphasizing certain teachings, or even the preaching abilities that were seen in those mentioned (Paul, Apollos, Cephas, Christ). Briefly, these factions looked at Paul (as the Liberty Party: Galatians 5:1); Apollos (as the Intellectual & Eloquent Party: Acts 18:24-28); Cephas (as the Judaizing Party, clinging to many Jewish ceremonial duties, unlike Paul: Galatians 2:11-16); and Christ (as the Exclusive Party, having contempt for all human teachers bar Christ - allusion to this in 2 Corinthians 10:7).

    Even though some may not agree with the above very general description, the fact remains that divisions based on personality & teaching began to develop even in the early Church. Should it be any wonder that two thousand years later, things would not get any better? As you study each denomination, you will see this common thread running through them, which has brought about separation, declaring 'we are the only ones with the Truth'. If it were not for the Holy Spirit indwelling only the truly saved, we could well think like them & believe that we are the only holders of Truth. But God has His own people in every place & in every denomination & for some there, they are still being exercised in mind & spirit to learn the Truth by reading God's Word for themselves & to leave when falsehood is preached or the Bible disregarded. We ought to pray for one another that we will not fall prey to the deceptions of the evil one & in forgetting to search the Scriptures.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
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    Brother Ronald. Thank you once again for your comments. I agree, whether Ignatius, Polycarp or any other succeeding them, even the Apostle Peter himself, can all be found in error in some doctrine or teaching ( Galatians 2:11-14). Though, my point was in their belief in the Deity of Christ.

    To your references on the Trinity 'fallacy': Revelation 21:22. God is Spirit - the Spirit of God is within the Godhead - the Lamb (post resurrection) is in His glorified State, as the Incarnate Word of God made flesh & now in Glory. Jesus is no longer the Word of God within God's Being, but His Word made flesh, risen & reigning at the Father's right Hand.

    1 John 2:22-24. You seem to be well studied brother. Then you would know that 1st John was written explicitly to confront the errors of Gnosticism (& other false teaching) that were running rampant in the Church. The discussion begins from verse 18, concerning the many 'anti-christs' in the Church, deceiving the believers by their lies & corruption of accepted apostolic teaching. The prevailing Docetic (an off-shoot of Gnosticsm) heresy was that "the incarnation was incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, as a body of flesh".

    Then in the reference you gave, the question from John is, "who is a liar?" The liar is that one who has come to you denying the incarnation, saying 'it's impossible for a Holy God, Who is Spirit, to unite with sinful flesh by having a Son: "but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". This would have reference not only to the Jews that deny Jesus as their Messiah, but certainly to those who went by the name of 'Christian'; they who denied either His proper Deity, or real Humanity, as Ebion and Cerinthus, who were denying Him to be the God-man, the Mediator, & the Messiah. (cont'd).
  • Dgjot - in Reply
    (continued pt 2) Still, God/Jesus forgave Peter and he continued to preach the Gospel.

    Also, define what "love" is. Is love feelings or actions? 'cause I can hate someone but still do what's right. If I see someone that is hungry, even though I have no love for that person I can still give them a sandwich or some money or something.

    Peter was chastised by Paul: (for saying that the Gentiles should be circumcised)

    Galatians 2: (Paul speaking)

    11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

    12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

    13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

    14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

    Peter messed up but God still used him. Peter was to preach the Gospel to the Jews and Paul was to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. In other words, "the example of our walk" means nothing. If one rejects salvation because I'm not Christ-like enough, that's just an excuse. Everyone must seek God/Jesus while they may be found. People are wicked but God is all light and there is no darkness in him or Jesus. God/Jesus are the way, the truth and the life.

    And as for the Word of God, (the Bible) it's been available for years. You can buy them at DollarTree for a buck. No one is forbidding anyone to read the Bible. (Not yet anyway.) If they want to kick God/Jesus to the curb, that's on their head- not mine.

    But, thank you for responding. I will consider your explanations.
  • What Makes Us Really Beautiful - in Reply on Matthew 6
    I think Proverbs 31 is a model of a godly woman, wife and mother.

    Ruth and Esther are women of God with books in the Bible for us to study.

    Song of Solomon's, Shulamite woman: is a study into the bride of Christ or, the Church of Christ. I once thought it quite scandalous, but it's explained in Psalm 45:11 and Galatians 2:20

    I think our understanding the strength of love, is imperfect. I will tell you a dream I had. After I was born again, people said to my face: that anyone who had been as evil as me__could not possibly be saved!! Then they laughed.

    It cut me to my fragile heart and spirit.

    I decided I would make Jesus despise me. When Jesus love knocked on my door I would slam the door shut and the pain of self-hate grew huge.

    In the Dream, I saw Jesus laying stretched out on the Cross. He looked in my eyes with all the love within Him. I got angry! How dare He love The Unlovable?! I saw rocks. I picked one up and hit the nail in his hand. I felt sure I could make him sorry he had ever met me.

    But he looked in my eyes and said, I LOVE YOU. I hit him again and again, and each time He said he loved me. Something inside of me broke open. I dropped the rock and lay on his chest and wept. His arms held me close. Then I woke up.

    When I read Song of Solomon later: 2:19, 6:3, 7:10, 8:7; I knew I was loved. I forgave all those who cursed me. I learned how to give love to those who were like me. It's not carnal.

    Only God can heal a human heart; and cause it to beat for others who have not heard Jesus say, I Love You.

    The ability to love without judging, speaking curses or rationing is valuable. Love like Jesus.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Basic Distinctions between Prophecy and the Mystery (C.R. Stam) - continued:

    8) Prophecy mainly concerns nations as such ( Isaiah 2:4; Ezekiel 37:21-22)

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    8) The Mystery Concerns individuals ( Romans 10:12-13; 2 Corinthians 5:14-17)

    9) Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, on earth ( Isaiah 2:3-4; Isaiah 11:1-9; etc.)

    RDf

    9) The Mystery Concerns "all spiritual blessings in The Heavenlies" ( Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 3:1-3)

    10) Prophecy concerns Christ's Coming to the earth ( Isaiah 59:20; Zechariah 14:4)

    RDf

    10) The Mystery Explains Christ's absence from the earth ( Ephesians 1:20-24; Colossians 3:1-3)

    11) In prophecy, salvation by Grace through faith alone is not contemplated ( Matthew 28:19-20; Matthew 23:1-3; Luke 7:29-30; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; James 2:17)

    RDf

    11) Salvation "By GRACE Through faith" Alone lies at The Very Heart Of The Mystery! ( Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8-9)

    12) The proclamation of the prophetic program committed particularly to the twelve ( Matthew 10:5-7; Acts 1:6-8; Acts 3:19-26)

    RDf

    12) The proclamation of The Mystery program committed particularly to Paul ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Ephesians 3:8-9; Colossians 1:24-27)

    13) The prophetic program revealed through many of God's servants Luke 1:70; 2 Peter 1:21)

    RDf

    13) The Mystery revealed through one man: Paul! ( Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 2:2; Galatians 2:7; Galatians 2:9; Ephesians 3:2-3)

    14) Old Testament writers frequently did not understand the prophecies made through them ( Daniel 12:8-10; 1 Peter 1:10-12)

    RDf

    14) Paul Both understood And longed that others might understand The Mystery revealed through him ( Ephesians 1:15-23; Ephesians 3:14-21; Colossians 1:9-10; Colossians 2:1-3)

    {borrowed from "Things That Differ" by C.R. Stam}
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Lynn.

    Here's a copy of a reply from the same question by brother Jesse,

    Thought it would be OK to share it.

    Quote.

    Jesus said if any man will come after me, and that is the word behind. And here is the decision-making process. When somebody surrenders to Jesus Christ, they are surrendering to come behind Him. Every single person has a calling to come behind Jesus. That's it!

    If any man will come behind me, and there are three things, or principles I would like to share with you.

    Principle number 1: Let him deny himself.

    Now the word deny, ARNEOMAI, means to reject. This is what it means in the Greek. But first I'll tell you what it doesn't mean.

    It doesn't mean that you are to deny yourself an ice cream cone after church or after bible study. It means to reject yourself, period!

    The next phrase says, "and take up his cross." And some think that means whatever hardships I go through today. But that's not what it means.

    You see, according to Romans Chapter 6, when Jesus died on the cross, He died my death. Therefore I have died, and every day my flesh is nailed to the cross and I'm to carry that cross.

    And thirdly He says "follow me." Do you see what He's saying here?

    He is saying "Follow me," meaning that the position is behind Him.

    A good text would beGalatians 2:20, where Paul says I have been crucified in Christ, and the life that I now live, he says I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.

    You see, he has died. I don't live any more. I don't do what I want to do because I don't live, I died. Paul says I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the life that I now live, I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.

    He just said it all in one verse. Reject yourself!

    I have had a conviction for a long time that our struggle every day in life is more against God than it is against Satan. Why? Because our flesh is continually trying to get down off that cross, and trying to get away from the struggles of life.

    GBU
  • IMKane - in Reply
    It's Scripturally correct to say that there's only one gospel for this dispensation of grace. However, when Jesus walked the earth 2000 years ago, He was under the Law of Moses, and He preached and taught a kingdom gospel to the Jews, and so did His apostles. He did not teach the Samaritans or Gentiles, and neither did His apostles.

    Paul writes in Galatians 1:6-7, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."

    Later in Galatians 2:7-9, Paul adds, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

    Clearly there was one gospel for the circumcision and another for the uncircumcision. What happened in the Galatian church is the members had mixed the two gospels because Messianic Jews from the church at Jerusalem had taught them the kingdom gospel and insisted that be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses to be saved. It was agreed upon by those in authority, i.e., Peter, James, and John, that Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, and that Peter was the apostle to the Jews.

    Scripture clearly teaches that there were two gospels. Scripture must be studied, not just read, and it must be rightly divided to understand the truth of God's written word. Paul says the Scripture is given for reproof and correction. What I find most troublesome these days is that far too many self-identified Christians refuse to accept correction once they have been corrected.
  • IMKane - in Reply
    It's Scripturally correct to say that there's only one gospel for this dispensation of grace. However, when Jesus walked the earth 2000 years ago, He was under the Law of Moses, and He preached and taught a kingdom gospel to the Jews, and so did His apostles. He did not teach the Samaritans or Gentiles, and neither did His apostles.

    Paul writes in Galatians 1:6-7, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."

    Later in Galatians 2:7-9, Paul adds, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

    Clearly there was one gospel for the circumcision and another for the uncircumcision. What happened in the Galatian church is the members had mixed the two gospels because Messianic Jews from the church at Jerusalem had taught them the kingdom gospel and insisted that be circumcised and obey the Law of Moses to be saved. It was agreed upon by those in authority, i.e., Peter, James, and John, that Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, and that Peter was the apostle to the Jews.

    Scripture clearly teaches that there were two gospels. Scripture must be studied, not just read, and it must be rightly divided to understand the truth of God's written word. Paul says the Scripture is given for reproof and correction. What I find most troublesome these days is that far too many self-identified Christians refuse to accept correction once they have been corrected.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - in Reply
    Part II (Previous) Gospel of the kingdom

    Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Gospel Of The GRACE Of God =

    Gospel of the Uncircumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Galatians 6:15; Romans 4:9-11)

    Preached first by Paul, then his companions ( Acts 13:38-39; Acts 20:24; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:24)

    The Mystery Program for The Gentiles ( Ephesians 3:1-3; Colossians 1:25-27; Romans 16:25)

    The preaching of The Cross as Good News ( 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 2:2; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4)

    Gospel to be believed = Christ's Work ( Romans 5:6 Romans 5:8 Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)

    Salvation By GRACE Through faith plus nothing ( Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5; Titus 3:5)

    Justification by faith without works emphasized ( Romans 3:28; Romans 4:5,16; Galatians 2:16)

    Repentance as a synonym for faith ( Acts 17:30; Acts 20:21; Acts 26:20; Romans 2:4)

    Involves reconciliation to God and man ( Romans 5:10-11; Romans 11:15; 2 Corinthians 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:21)

    Covers Paul's letters Romans - Philemon (Also Acts 9-28)

    Not under the law ( Romans 5:20-21; Romans 6:14; Galatians 5:6)

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    IMKane, hope this was helpful answering your Great questions.

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified!
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on Galatians 2:7 - in Reply
    Precious friend, IMKane: "Paul seems to be saying there were TWO gospels." Yes, Biblically Correct! Note the following 'Dispensational' Differences Between God's TWO Gospels:

    Part I Gospel of the kingdom =

    Gospel of the circumcision ( Galatians 2:7; Acts 3:25-26; Genesis 17:9-14)

    Preached by John, Jesus, and the 12 ( Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 4:23; Matthew 9:35; Matthew 10:5-8)

    The Prophecy Program for the Jews ( Luke 1:32-33; Luke 3:19-26; Daniel 2:44; James 1:1)

    Preaching of The Cross as historical ( Acts 2:23,36; Acts 3:14-15; Acts 5:30)

    Gospel to be believed = Christ's Name ( Matthew 16:16; John 20:31; 1 John 5:13)

    Salvation by faith and water baptism ( Mark 1-4; Mark 16:16; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 2:38)

    Justification without works is dead ( James 2:17; James 2:20; James 2:24; James 2:26)

    Repentance emphasized along with faith ( Mark 1:15; Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19)

    Reconciliation not mentioned.

    Covers Matthew - Acts 8, then Tribulation ( Acts 3:19-21; Acts 8:12; Matthew 24:14)

    Under The Law ( Matthew 5:17; Matthew 8:4; Matthew 23:2-3)

    Good works will follow salvation ( Matthew 7:15-20; 1 John 2:3-5; 1 John 2:29; 1 John 3:7,10)

    Rightly Divided From ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

    Gospel Of GRACE

    to be continued...
  • IMKane
    In Galatians 2:7, Paul writes, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;"

    Paul seems to be saying there were two gospels. What's the difference between the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision? Why were the two gospels separated, and why was Paul commissioned to preach the gospel of the uncircumcision and Peter commissioned to preach the gospel of the circumcision?
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Hey Dianne,

    I believe the church started at Pentecost because the Holy Spirit filled all the disciples in that house. Then others came the number around 3000 heard Peter and the other disciples speaking in their languages. Peter stood up and said this is what you are seeing ( Joel 2:28-32). Then Peter told them "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".

    So, that is why I believe the Church started then. But these were all Jewish, and only Jewish people were told the gospel until Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius, he was among the Gentiles. At this time Peter stayed in Jerusalem and the Church was all Jewish. A little later Jesus visited Saul/Paul and sent him to unto Gentiles.

    I believe the different thoughts of when the Church started comes from Paul being sent to the Gentiles with the word he was given from Jesus did not require them to be circumcised or be under the law of Moses. It was to make the Jews jealous. We see later the conflicts between the Jewish believers in Jesus and Paul's teaching. We see this in Acts 15 the debate on this, to be circumcised and be under the law. We see Paul addressed it in ( Galatians 2:4-9).

    We see in Acts 21 when Paul went into Jerusalem and went unto James, and thousands of believing Jews were there and they were all zealous of the law. They accused Paul of telling the Jews that were among the Gentiles that they should not circumcise their children and not be under the law. They wanted to kill Paul and almost did.

    The difference in the Jewish believers along with some of the apostles, teaching to be circumcised and be under the law and what Paul's teachings, given to him by Jesus Himself is where the question comes when the Church started.

    I'm sure some will disagree, but this is my understanding.

    RLW
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 14
    Hi Dianne.

    Sorry it took so long to respond to you, I am working on my honey do list.

    The works Jesus is talking about in John 14:12. Is his miracles and being that he will gift his disciples with the Holyspirit shortly after his death, to work and perform these same miracles, as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:10. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

    And he also said in Galatians 2:8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) The apostles was given the Holyspirit and a measure of grace to take to the whole world to lay down the foundation that we are to build on. Paul said this grace was mighty in him. By the Holyspirit they was able to raise the dead!

    But with all that being said that's not what he wanted the outside world to gaze upon when determining whether they was a follower of him or not. Here is what he wanted the world to see, which was given by the same spirit.

    John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. This was also working mightily in them.

    Here is another example of what the spirit had to do in their lives. listen to the Lord after Peter forbid him to was his feet but then allowed it to be so.

    John 13:12-15. So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

    ("Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

    If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.")

    For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

    There is a lesson in humility.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - in Reply
    Garnet,

    Jesus said if any man will come after me, and that is the word behind. And here is the decision-making process. When somebody surrenders to Jesus Christ, they are surrendering to come behind Him. Every single person has a calling to come behind Jesus. That's it!



    If any man will come behind me, and there are three things, or principles I would like to share with you.



    Principle number 1: Let him deny himself.



    Now the word deny, ARNEOMAI, means to reject. This is what it means in the Greek. But first I'll tell you what it doesn't mean.



    It doesn't mean that you are to deny yourself an ice cream cone after church or after bible study. It means to reject yourself, period!



    The next phrase says, "and take up his cross." And some think that means whatever hardships I go through today. But that's not what it means.



    You see, according to Romans Chapter 6, when Jesus died on the cross, He died my death. Therefore I have died, and every day my flesh is nailed to the cross and I'm to carry that cross.



    And thirdly He says "follow me." Do you see what He's saying here?

    He is saying "Follow me," meaning that the position is behind Him.



    A good text would be Galatians 2:20, where Paul says I have been crucified in Christ, and the life that I now live, he says I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.



    You see, he has died. I don't live any more. I don't do what I want to do because I don't live, I died. Paul says I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the life that I now live, I live by the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me.



    He just said it all in one verse. Reject yourself!



    I have had a conviction for a long time that our struggle every day in life is more against God than it is against Satan. Why? Because our flesh is continually trying to get down off that cross, and trying to get away from the struggles of life.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 14:16
    Hi Carolyn. Romans 14:16 shouldn't be forced to mean what you've suggested, about a married man being seen in public with other women. We can't pull out a Scripture & try to make it read something that it wasn't intended to do.

    This chapter is speaking of some of those delicate & difficult questions that arose at that time, in respect to the behaviour between Jew & Gentile believers. And these questions centred around food and observance of particular days, rites, etc. The Jewish converts expected that the Gentiles would also bind themselves to Jewish customs & adherence to Mosaic Laws. The matter of circumcision came up in Acts 15:1,2 and Galatians 2:3,4. Here in Romans chapter 14, matters pertaining to food offered to idols, Jewish fasting days, clean & unclean animals, and subsequently, judging another because of their belief & therefore resulting in not walking in love & understanding with each other.

    So verse 16: "Let not then your good be evil spoken of", tells us that as Christians, we should be aware that even though we might enjoy our liberty in Christ to do many things that might appear wrong in the sight of others (e.g. Jews, or those weak in faith or unlearned in the Scriptures), we should abstain from doing so, if it means that strife & controversy arise leading to unkind words exchanged & separation from each other.

    However, I do agree with you that a married man should be careful in how close he gets to other women: the time he spends with her or the places they meet for discussion, since that meeting, though maybe perfectly harmless & genuine, may easily be misconstrued by another. In that instance, I would use 1 Thessalonians 5:22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil." And if you need to share this with a man (a husband?), the Scripture can be used as part of a 'loving' discussion to the pitfalls in such an association, as well as a misunderstanding or gossip by others.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on James 2
    Rohingya, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    Of ourselves we have NO FAITH or works; when Christ CALLS he gives us HIS FAITH to answer.

    Philippians 3:9 .....but that which is through THE FAITH OF CHRIST, the righteousness which is of GOD be FAITH (of CHRIST).

    Galatians 2:16 .....but by FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST .....

    Ephesians 3:12 In whom (IN CHRIST) we have boldness and access in CONFIDENCE by the FAITH OF HIM.

    James 2:17 Even so FAITH (Christ in you), if it (Faith) (Christ in you) hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    The Christ calls, give faith to believe, causes you to respond, purifies you, makes you whole, causes you to walk in his statutes. ( Ezekiel 36:25-27)

    Faith without works is dead; BUT, it's HIS faith and HIS works. You bear THE GIFT, the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.

    Colossians 1:27....of this MYSTERY, CHRIST IN YOU....

    John 6:29 ....This is the WORK OF GOD, that you BELIEVE on him who he hath sent.

    Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN on behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ....

    God bless
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Exodus 26
    Just seeing this now. I myself am not confused, it is just some of your statements are confusing. You posted this " instead of Jesus Christ, the One True GOD,". Stating Jesus Christ is the One True God?

    I know Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the image of the invisible God as in Scripture. Also that He is ONE with God as in Scripture. I haven't separated Jesus Christ from the Father who indwelt Him? When did I say the Father and the Son were the same? I never said that and don't believe that. Though they are ONE as with the Holy Spirit. 1 John 5:7.

    I believe it's pretty safe to say that everyone who comes here knows there is ONE GOD.

    You also have the freedom to believe whatever you want. I don't know what "fake Christian teachings" since 325 AD you are talking about. The Holy Bible along with the Holy Spirit is my teacher.

    If you think you have all of God's mind & ways understood, I'll just say be ready to find out it's much more than anyone can comprehend. If you think you are smarter than everyone else good job. The most important thing to me is to follow the footsteps of Christ and live for the Will of our Father.

    It seems there is no reason for us to go any further. As you didn't answer the question about Revelation 5&6 where it is the Lamb(Christ) who takes the book and opens the seals. Though you say the Father does this. Also about what Spirit indwells in us after being saved or your thoughts on the "rapture" with Scripture.

    Jesus Christ our Lord died for our sins. I strive to live for our Fathers will and am His for eternity. Galatians 2:20, 1 John 5:10-11, Revelation 21:22-23.

    No need to reply if you don't feel comfortable. Thank you for all your time.

    God Bless you John.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 3:30
    Hello Douglas. I agree, this is an intriguing verse, which seems to show very little difference since justification by God can only be by faith ( Galatians 2:16).

    I think that here, the apostle is showing that what is normally considered a distinction between the Jew & Gentile (the circumcision & the uncircumcision), when the matter of faith in God through Jesus Christ is brought in, both stand before God on equal terms ( Romans 3:22); one has no superiority over the other.

    However, the Jew was given the Law which not only showed him God's holy requirements but also exposed to him his sinfulness because he couldn't keep the Law & please God. That missing attribute - Faith - which justifies ALL men (v28 and Hebrews chapter 11), is needed by the Jew which shows him that it's only BY FAITH & not by the "deeds of the Law" can he be saved. Likewise, to the Gentile who had not the Law, that it is only THROUGH FAITH in the Cross can he be saved. I realize this is a very small distinction between those words and even though I may be wrong, I'm afraid that's the only way I can understand why the apostle expressed it this way.
  • Linda on Romans 1
    I'm glad I won't be forgiven on the basis that I have forgiven others. That is Law not Grace. We are now forgiven because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. He forgave us all our sins, past, present and future. That is Grace. Now we forgive because we were forgiven not to gain forgiveness. The Law was given by Moses. God raised up Paul to preach Grace to Gentiles who were - "with out Christ, being ALIENS from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world" Ephesians 2:11-12.

    When you read the Bible take note of who it is addressing. We were not told to sacrifice animals, build an ark, keep Jewish holidays, etc. that was under the Law of Moses. We are saved by faith alone. Romans 4:4; Colossians 2:14; Galatians 2:20.
  • Chris - in Reply on Nehemiah 8
    Hi Mishael. It can't be argued in what you have just shared, as obedience to the Lord, a deep love for Him & to all people must be our focus & to where our energies are directed.

    But in these threads you refer to lies a problem with correct biblical hermeneutics. Ordinarily, we can agree to differ on our understanding of the Scriptures without too much of a catastrophe (e.g. Christ's second coming, did Jesus actually spend three days in the grave, etc, etc.). But what we have here is about the applicability of the Decalogue to the believer in Christ, & in particular the 4th Commandment (which somehow takes a degree of precedence over the other nine), should be of concern to each of us. The apostles had to wrestle over this as it was important to keep the believers' new life in Christ distinct from the old life (if they were Jews) under the Law which revealed their sin, their incapability to keep the Law & which only brought death ( Romans 7:5,6). So it was never a case of whether we should obey God's commandments - we all must obey. It's a case of whether our appeal to obey is to what was the "ministration of death, written & engraven in stones" rather than to the "ministration of the Spirit" which is of greater glory ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-8) & for which Jesus died & ushered in the New Covenant with God. If righteousness (a believer's right standing before God) could be achieved by the Law, then indeed Christ has died in vain ( Galatians 2:21).

    In other words, & with all concern, can a believer stand before God & claim obedience to the Ten Commandments & especially the 4th Commandment, & not expect rebuke? He might believe that he can stand with head held high, being sealed with the 4th, & then sees the Lamb that was slain Who put aside forever any cause for condemnation which came by the Law ( Romans 8:1-4). It's not about the beauty of God's Laws - it's about it's applicability & the Spirit's Work to reveal all of God's Laws to us & give us power to perform them.


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