Ask ye of the Lord rain in the time of the latter rain; so the Lord shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
There are those who look at the latter rain described in Joel 2:23-27 we see what is similar text (along with the early rain). The final revival of the world likely will fulfill other promises in Joel such as in Joel 2:28 also mentioned at least partially fulfilled in Acts 2:17. We also can't ignore how God has blessed Israel even today with more rainfall then surrounding nations; and no doubt the earth in the Millennium will be fruitful more than ever for the final fulfillment with literal rainy seasons of predictable nature (except for those who don't come to worship God as we see later on in Zechariah).
Verse 2 describes that there were those as if there was no shepherd; apparently struggling into part of verse 3. This reminds us of Christ's statement in Matthew 9:36-38.
Verses 3 and 5 show indications of later verses in Zechariah of Judah fighting against the enemy armies in campaigns related to Armageddon; specifically after the taking of half of the city of Jerusalem. Basically the rest of this chapter shows the unity of Judah and Ephriam and gives glory to Christ as the victor over the enemies. Verses 9 and 10 show an ingathering from Egypt and other places.
The pride of Assyria in verse 11 could be partially fulfilled in the past but Antichrist himself is known as the "Assyrian" in Ezekiel 31:3. Egypt is mentioned too; although it's national prominence will never be what it was ( Ezekiel 29:15) but it will cry out in the last days ( Isaiah 19:20) and of course it is mentioned in Zechariah 14:17 they will still exist and need to worship God every year.
Lamentations 2:11 and associated passages discuss tears when the Babylonian captivity and it's horrors of stervation and destruction by fire of Jerusalem occur which is much like the theme here.
In terms of being as a vine (v. 8) we see such depictions of Israel in John 15:8 as well as Ezekiel and apparently Psalm 88 as well. Verses 10 to 12 also describe great branches such as a cedar (v. 10) which is also descriptive of other nations such as Lebanon which is compared to a cedar in no less than 100 verses in scripture. Trees also describe Egypt ( Ezekiel 31:18) as well as Assyria as ( Isaiah 10:24) which was "planted" in Lebanon.
Once again as in the previous Psalm; we see evidence of a prophetic mention of the city being burned (verse 16) signifying the Babylonian captivity. Verse 17 seems to indicate Christ as a possible man at the "man of thy right hand" made strong. Quickening the people in verse 18 could signify the Resurrection; or restoration at the end of the Tribulation. The idea of God awakening reminds us of Isaiah 54:7-9 where God briefly turns away; again possibly signifying Jacob's trouble.
Psalms 78:2 I will open my (God the word's) mouth in a PARABLE
The tree OF KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
The fruit of that tree IS KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
You are the garden of Eden; the tree of knowledge of good and evil is in you, and when you come to TRUTH, then you also come to THE KNOWLEDGE that the TREE OF LIFE is also IN YOU. BUT: Cherub with sword's of FIRE surround the TREE OF LIFE; so you are going to have to go through FIRE to partake of the fruit of the TREE OF LIFE.
Ezekiel 31:9 I (the Father) have made him (Christ) fair by the multitude of his BRANCHES (you and I): so all the trees of Eden (you and I), that were in the garden of God (you and I), envied him (Christ).
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you .....
Ezekiel 29:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD, they say of me, doth he not speak in PARABLES.
The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil (opposites).
The word Of God is BUILT AROUND PARABLES, tree, or trees, is signified (represents something other than what it is in the physical).
Christ is a Lamb, TREE OF LIFE ETC.
The New Testament parables teach that we are the garden of God (Eden). Isaiah 5:7Ezekiel 31:8
The TREE of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil exist in the midst of the garden (CHRIST is this tree, as he is also the tree of Life) In the midst of the garden.
Colossians 1:27 ..this mystery ...CHRIST IN YOU ..
We have only knowledge of evil, until Christ (the Holy Ghost) releases, or causes, us to have the mind of Christ (then we sprout and eventually become a tree, also. Isaiah 6:13Ezekiel 47:7Revelation 22:1-2
There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, but the KNOWLEDGE of that ONE SPIRIT contains both good and evil.
Genesis 3:22 ....the man has BECOME LIKE ONE OF US (the man has become like God) to know good and evil....
Before man ate (the words of God), which is the TREE of KNOWLEDGE (Christ), he was the Child of SATAN (no knowledge).
You are BORN AGAIN by THE WORD'S OF GOD.
1 Peter 1:23 BEING BORN AGAIN ....by the WORD'S OF GOD ...
Now Satan (DARKNESS)(lies, deception, falsehoods) has been DESTROYED and LIGHT SHINES FORTH.
Isaiah 45:7 I FORM THE LIGHT, AND CAUSE DARKNESS: I make peace, and create evil ..
Isaiah 9:2 The people that waked in DARKNESS, have seen a GREAT LIGHT ...
WHO IS SATAN?
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are PERFECT (born of truth), yet not the WISDOM OF THIS WORLD, nor of THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD (children of Satan living in lies, deception and falsehoods, children of death and the grave).
1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the PRINCES of this world knew, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY.
Matthew 12:38 But if I (our God is a consuming FIRE) cast out devils (lies, deception, falsehoods) ...then the KINGDOM IS COME
Hi Gigi; I appreciate your response, however; I have understood the retoracle question in Hebrews 1:5 To which of the angels said God at any time, you are my son? This is actually saying God has never called angels sons of God, nor can they become sons of God, as I have previously stated only human beings can become sons of God, it is very clear in Luke 3:38 that Adam was the son of God. Adam was a human being, the genealogy from Adam unto the Lord Jesus, is a lineage of the sons of God, all those listed were sons of God. Now what we do know, is that the apostle Paul stated if a Christian is led by the Holy Ghost, he has matured to become a son of God. I understood your statement about things God has not revealed to us as of yet, this is very true, and we can be content in knowing only what God has revealed, for this reason I can say like Isaiah 28:9-10 a doctrine can only be created when you take line upon line, here a little, precept upon precept, and there a little, usingf this method we can assure ourselves we have arrived at good doctrine. Meaning look for all scriptures that teach sons of God, and see if at any time they refer unto angels, and you will discover what I also discovered, that no scripture refers unto angels as sons of God, only human beings are called sons of God. In conclusion, even Jesus took not upon himself the nature of angels to be called a son of God, but he took upon himself a human body, as the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16
Another thought, perhaps in Job 38 the sons of God are angels and the morning stars are seraphim and/or cherubim. Or bother type of spiritual being we do not know about
Lucifer is referred to as both the morning star and anointed cherub. Seraph are referred to as bright flames or fiery serpents.
We do not know God has deemed angels sons of God. There is a lot we do not know about the spirit realm and the Scriptures reveal very little to determine a cohesive doctrine.
So, I remember reading this: "the secret things belong to the Lord our God" Deut. 29:29
So, I can live without knowing about things. I concur with Job's words in chapter 42:2-6 when Job answered back to God in humility and repentance. We really know very little about God and His heavenly hosts. We can speculate or interpret Scriptures our own ways, but really we have to wait and see in the resurrection what Hod will reveal to us about these things, and still we will not know ALL about God nor we may not know all about these spiritual hosts either. But we will know all that Hod has deemed good and necessary for us. I'm good with that.
I have read your interpretation of Ezekiel's trees being Angels and the trees in the Garden as being Angels. Although I find your interpretations interesting, I do not agree with it and stick with my belief that the Angels were created before humans and that the trees in the Garden were real trees.
I do not tend to read metaphors into Scriptures unless Jesus spoke back to a Scripture and clearly explains that it is a metaphor. In this case, He never did.
We will find out in the resurrection the answers to many questions we have about creation and things that happened in times prior to recorded history. I can wait until then. I do not see this topic as one to dwell on. So, thank you for your contribution. We will agree to disagree on this one, in my view.
Hi Gigi; I understand you are trying to quote Job 38:7 please read it with me, Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJB the morning stars here refer unto angels and the sons of God refer unto human beings. Therefore; this text is speaking about after man and angels were created, not before they were created. God never calls angels sons of God Hebrews 1:5 Knowing you must be a human being to become a son of God, like Adam Luke 3:38 or like Christians John 1:12 I believe the bible is revealing the angels were created after mankind, as in Genesis 2:8-9 as Adam was watching God create the trees from the garden of God, this was done after God created trees already on the third day and after he rested on the seventh day, meaning this word tree is metaphorical and are the angels, as the prophet Ezekiel reveals in 31:8-9
Hi K; I have read what you wrote, and I must confess, I have very little faith when it comes to transliteration bibles, I prefer the King James or the Septuagint. In the KJB Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The question from this text is when could the morning stars sing together, knowing that these are the angels, with the sons of God, knowing that these are mankind. Please note Hebrews 1:5 God never calls angels sons of God, first let me say, only a human being can become a son of God, Read Luke 1:38 Adam was a son of God, then compare that statement to John 1:12 only Christians can become sons of God, or compare that to Romans 8:14, only Christians who have matured enough to be led by the Holy Ghost, can become a son of God. Do not allow yourself to be deceived by false teachers or books, like the book of Enoch, which is heresy, stating it rained in the days of Enoch, more than 300 years before it rained in the bible. So I believe Gen. 2:8-9 Angels were created in front of Adam as the metaphorical word, trees. This is explained in Ezekiel 31:8-9
I don't believe that is quite correct. Angels were created before man. I'm Job 38, God is talking to Job about the plans that He has but Job does not know about. In verses 4-7 God says some awesome things that gives us context that angels were made before humans in the beginning of creation. " Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line? What supports its foundations, and who laid its cornerstone as the morning stars sang together and all the angels (sons of God) shouted for joy?" NLT if the angels were present to witness the laying of the foundations of the earth, that has to mean they were present before humans.
Please read Genesis 5:1-2, Genesis 1:26-30, here it states plural. It also reasonably suggests multiple to subdue the entire earth. Genesis 1:26, Genesis 1:28,
Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,
Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,
Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.
The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"
Satan and all fallen angels are described here as Pharaoh and his multitude, the other shadow and typology name ascribed unto Satan is the Assyrian, these are the two names ascribed unto Satan here in this chapter. His metaphorical name is, the cedar tree of Lebanon, the other fallen angels metaphorical names are cedar trees, fir trees and chestnut trees. Found then in versus 8-9 we have an understanding that goes back to Genesis 2:8-9, regarding when God created the trees from the garden of God, these were the angels. Now we know and are confident that Ezekiel is using metaphors to speak about Satan and the fallen angels, because he states the trees of the garden of God, envied Lucifer. We can affirm that no physical tree has the ability to envy, but angels had that ability when God created them, we can affirm therefore, man is older than the angels, as he was created before them, placed into the garden of God, and then God created all angels in front of Adam. Genesis 2:8-9 Let us also make note, that these fallen angels were cast into hell, or the pit, which is not a common grave, for a physical grave could never hold a spirit like Satan or any fallen angel.
I would like to comment on versus 8-9; the garden of God was taken from the third heaven and brought down to the earth, where God planted it, as this was not created, it already existed. Adam was put into the garden of God, then the Lord created trees in front of Adam, I asked myself the question, why is God creating trees again after he rested, when he did this on the third day of creation? Then I discovered those trees on the third day of creation were taken from the earth, but these trees were taken from the ground of the garden of God, which came from the third heaven. Therefore, this was a metaphor, referring unto the trees as angels. Here we learn that the tree of life, was an angelic body created for the Holy Spirit, later in scripture known as the angel of the Lord, also known as God. The tree of knowledge of good and evil, was a metaphorical name for Lucifer, as he knew and understood both the world of light, and the world of darkness, until he became the god of that world. 11 Corinthians 4:4 The prophet Ezekiel gave us much insight on the trees in the garden of God being angels, as he spoke of it in Ezekiel 31:8-9 In summary, man is older than angels, as he was created before them, furthermore, he watched them being created in front of him, is it no wonder than why Satan tempted Eve and not Adam, as she was not created to see this event happening in the garden.
Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in my anger and shall burn unto the lowest hell (Heb. sheol) .....
Psalms 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and you have delivered my soul from the lowest hell (Heb. sheol).
Ezekiel 31:15 Then said the Lord God, In the day when he went down to the grave (Heb. sheol) I caused a mourning, I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nation shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell (Heb. sheol) with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Ezekiel 31:17 They also went down into hell (Heb. sheol) with him unto to them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
These verse in Ezekiel is talking about Pharaoh and his army, Verse 15 says he went to the grave (sheol), but verses 16 and 17 says he went down to hell (sheol).
The same word can not we translated as two meaning, when it's describing the same event.
Brother Earl. As you've noticed, I don't often respond to your comments & to some others here, as our interpretation of Scriptures are noticeably divergent & I see no proper foundation on which to build a succinct discussion. And from this present thread, I note your reference to Sheol as pertaining to the grave, to which there is finality of human life. And true, if Sheol even carries the meaning of a Hell, there is little reference in the OT to any major suffering therein, though seems to indicate a place further than six feet below ground ( Deuteronomy 32:22; Psalm 86:13; Ezekiel 31:14-16).
But I would ask, as you clearly believe in the Gospel of our Lord, what do you believe that the death of Christ accomplished? And this question pertains to what God requires & also to the benefit of mankind.
Why I ask this supposedly simplistic question is because this matter came up some years ago when a couple of folk calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, spoke to me about the wonderful Paradise & freedom of suffering that awaits all men - & wouldn't I want to be a part of it? This matter soon progressed to a person's death & subsequent resurrection to enjoy this bounty from God. And this further progressed to the reality of Hell, to which they clearly don't subscribe to. And ultimately they stated that all the righteous ones (presumably those who followed Jehovah's Laws) would live in this paradise, whilst those who refused Him, would remain in the grave. I took them to task on this belief & they finally left without answer.
Without sharing the full matter here, I wonder if you see anything credible in that discussion, but especially, what did Christ's death accomplish, towards God & to man? And btw, Luke 16:26 was the Lord's Words, not man's.
May CHRIST IS US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.
Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ) cast out DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT ....
Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world (Satan in us) are become the kingdoms of God (CHRIST IN US), and his Christ; and he shall reign (IN US) for ever and ever.
Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...
GARDEN OF GOD
Song of Solomon 5:1 I (Christ) am come unto my GARDEN...
Isaiah 58:11 ...and thou shall be like a watered GARDEN....
Isaiah 61:11 ...and as the GARDEN causeth the things that are sown it to spring forth; so the Lord WILL CAUSE righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land (kingdom of God) that was DESOLATE is become like the GARDEN OF EDEN ...
Genesis 2:9 ...And the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the GARDEN, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion (His chosen): he will comfort all her waste places: and he WILL MAKE her wilderness like EDEN, and her deserts like the GARDEN OF THE LORD: joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Genesis 3:8 ..the Lord God walking in the GARDEN..
Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches: nor any tree in the GARDEN OF GOD were like unto him (Christ) in his beauty.
This is a very interesting chapter of the bible concerning Adam and Eve being the only ones in the Garden.
Ezekiel 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. (Family trees? Trees have emotions, like envy?)
Lu2677 ... word is right the seperpent was in the garden because the garden is your brain and your have a lower repetilain part of your brain that's the serpent
Word,I have given more thought to your comment about the trees. John 3:8 "For the devil sinneth from the beginning"You said Satan IS the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When does Satan do good? In the garden; if Eve did NOT eat (as you claim) fruit of the tree of knowlege good and evil, of which God told her not to do.What was the deception that Eve succumbed to that caused our sinful state?
Henry's j verses 8 and 9 and on is speaking of a tree in the garden of God and its the garden of Eden and the tree is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, yes that old serpent the devil. Gods children in scripture are called many times the trees, cedar trees of Lebanon and that's the mighty heathen Satan who is being spoken of.
Jennifer yes history was Neb king of Babylon and 9 chapter of the Babylon war were history but God has showed us a type of antichrist coming in the future that won't be old Neb but Satan the king of Babylon of the Book of Revelation. Don't worry he comes in peace and prosperity and the whole world is taken into the deception and worship him. Preachers priest of this generation let the sheep down.
If you continue reading through the next chapter you will find the answer (chapter 32 verse 11). It is Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and his armies.
Heineken Vetten Assyrian has no article so it's Te-ashshur which means box cedar or old box cedar not worth much cause it's speaking of Satan. Then it goes on to speak of him in the garden,tree of the knowledge of good and evil and face it God created Satan almost-the full pattern he was something but pride ego got the best of him so I think it's his insides as little box cedar. No heart 4 others.
In chapter 31 Nations are personified as trees. The uppermost boughs represent the economy of a nation and the tallest trees have the strongest economies. This is where the men of commerce do their trade agreements with each other and form alliances. The wealthy nations also have strong militaries. The shadowing shroud may represent civil war within Assyria or Syria. Syria 's sea ports, her waters, make her desirable to other nations such as Russia that are willing to defend her. Also waters could represent people here that fan out into Lebanon to spread their doctrine, their religious beliefs. Verse 6, the fowls are aircraft involved in fighting, beasts represent war and of the field means soldiers. All great nations are under the shadow of this civil war and some have participated already in its outcome. Eden is the earth and the garden of God is peace. Egypt is being compared with Assyria. Assyria is being compared with other nations with different beliefs and resources in verse 8. Verse 9, I think the multitude of branches means multitude of supporting people and countries that are willing to become involved in the outcome of Assyria 's future and therefore their own future. Verse 9, All countries want support for their nation and their beliefs therefore they envy a nation that is given money, advanced weapons and military support.
It appears that God is speaking to Satan through theses powerful men that were doing the work of Satan who also shared in his great fall and subsequent judgement of God. As in Isaiah 14 v12 19, Ezekiel 28 v13 19.
Verse 1 states:
Ask ye of the Lord rain in the time of the latter rain; so the Lord shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.
There are those who look at the latter rain described in Joel 2:23-27 we see what is similar text (along with the early rain). The final revival of the world likely will fulfill other promises in Joel such as in Joel 2:28 also mentioned at least partially fulfilled in Acts 2:17. We also can't ignore how God has blessed Israel even today with more rainfall then surrounding nations; and no doubt the earth in the Millennium will be fruitful more than ever for the final fulfillment with literal rainy seasons of predictable nature (except for those who don't come to worship God as we see later on in Zechariah).
Verse 2 describes that there were those as if there was no shepherd; apparently struggling into part of verse 3. This reminds us of Christ's statement in Matthew 9:36-38.
Verses 3 and 5 show indications of later verses in Zechariah of Judah fighting against the enemy armies in campaigns related to Armageddon; specifically after the taking of half of the city of Jerusalem. Basically the rest of this chapter shows the unity of Judah and Ephriam and gives glory to Christ as the victor over the enemies. Verses 9 and 10 show an ingathering from Egypt and other places.
The pride of Assyria in verse 11 could be partially fulfilled in the past but Antichrist himself is known as the "Assyrian" in Ezekiel 31:3. Egypt is mentioned too; although it's national prominence will never be what it was ( Ezekiel 29:15) but it will cry out in the last days ( Isaiah 19:20) and of course it is mentioned in Zechariah 14:17 they will still exist and need to worship God every year.
Lamentations 2:11 and associated passages discuss tears when the Babylonian captivity and it's horrors of stervation and destruction by fire of Jerusalem occur which is much like the theme here.
In terms of being as a vine (v. 8) we see such depictions of Israel in John 15:8 as well as Ezekiel and apparently Psalm 88 as well. Verses 10 to 12 also describe great branches such as a cedar (v. 10) which is also descriptive of other nations such as Lebanon which is compared to a cedar in no less than 100 verses in scripture. Trees also describe Egypt ( Ezekiel 31:18) as well as Assyria as ( Isaiah 10:24) which was "planted" in Lebanon.
Once again as in the previous Psalm; we see evidence of a prophetic mention of the city being burned (verse 16) signifying the Babylonian captivity. Verse 17 seems to indicate Christ as a possible man at the "man of thy right hand" made strong. Quickening the people in verse 18 could signify the Resurrection; or restoration at the end of the Tribulation. The idea of God awakening reminds us of Isaiah 54:7-9 where God briefly turns away; again possibly signifying Jacob's trouble.
Psalms 78:2 I will open my (God the word's) mouth in a PARABLE
The tree OF KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
The fruit of that tree IS KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.
You are the garden of Eden; the tree of knowledge of good and evil is in you, and when you come to TRUTH, then you also come to THE KNOWLEDGE that the TREE OF LIFE is also IN YOU. BUT: Cherub with sword's of FIRE surround the TREE OF LIFE; so you are going to have to go through FIRE to partake of the fruit of the TREE OF LIFE.
Ezekiel 31:9 I (the Father) have made him (Christ) fair by the multitude of his BRANCHES (you and I): so all the trees of Eden (you and I), that were in the garden of God (you and I), envied him (Christ).
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you .....
Ezekiel 29:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD, they say of me, doth he not speak in PARABLES.
God Bless You.
Everything has an OPPOSITE.
The tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil (opposites).
The word Of God is BUILT AROUND PARABLES, tree, or trees, is signified (represents something other than what it is in the physical).
Christ is a Lamb, TREE OF LIFE ETC.
The New Testament parables teach that we are the garden of God (Eden). Isaiah 5:7 Ezekiel 31:8
The TREE of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil exist in the midst of the garden (CHRIST is this tree, as he is also the tree of Life) In the midst of the garden.
Colossians 1:27 ..this mystery ...CHRIST IN YOU ..
We have only knowledge of evil, until Christ (the Holy Ghost) releases, or causes, us to have the mind of Christ (then we sprout and eventually become a tree, also. Isaiah 6:13 Ezekiel 47:7 Revelation 22:1-2
There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT, but the KNOWLEDGE of that ONE SPIRIT contains both good and evil.
Genesis 3:22 ....the man has BECOME LIKE ONE OF US (the man has become like God) to know good and evil....
Before man ate (the words of God), which is the TREE of KNOWLEDGE (Christ), he was the Child of SATAN (no knowledge).
You are BORN AGAIN by THE WORD'S OF GOD.
1 Peter 1:23 BEING BORN AGAIN ....by the WORD'S OF GOD ...
Now Satan (DARKNESS)(lies, deception, falsehoods) has been DESTROYED and LIGHT SHINES FORTH.
Isaiah 45:7 I FORM THE LIGHT, AND CAUSE DARKNESS: I make peace, and create evil ..
Isaiah 9:2 The people that waked in DARKNESS, have seen a GREAT LIGHT ...
WHO IS SATAN?
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are PERFECT (born of truth), yet not the WISDOM OF THIS WORLD, nor of THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD (children of Satan living in lies, deception and falsehoods, children of death and the grave).
1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the PRINCES of this world knew, for had they known it, they would not have crucified the LORD OF GLORY.
Matthew 12:38 But if I (our God is a consuming FIRE) cast out devils (lies, deception, falsehoods) ...then the KINGDOM IS COME
Another thought, perhaps in Job 38 the sons of God are angels and the morning stars are seraphim and/or cherubim. Or bother type of spiritual being we do not know about
Lucifer is referred to as both the morning star and anointed cherub. Seraph are referred to as bright flames or fiery serpents.
We do not know God has deemed angels sons of God. There is a lot we do not know about the spirit realm and the Scriptures reveal very little to determine a cohesive doctrine.
So, I remember reading this: "the secret things belong to the Lord our God" Deut. 29:29
So, I can live without knowing about things. I concur with Job's words in chapter 42:2-6 when Job answered back to God in humility and repentance. We really know very little about God and His heavenly hosts. We can speculate or interpret Scriptures our own ways, but really we have to wait and see in the resurrection what Hod will reveal to us about these things, and still we will not know ALL about God nor we may not know all about these spiritual hosts either. But we will know all that Hod has deemed good and necessary for us. I'm good with that.
I have read your interpretation of Ezekiel's trees being Angels and the trees in the Garden as being Angels. Although I find your interpretations interesting, I do not agree with it and stick with my belief that the Angels were created before humans and that the trees in the Garden were real trees.
I do not tend to read metaphors into Scriptures unless Jesus spoke back to a Scripture and clearly explains that it is a metaphor. In this case, He never did.
We will find out in the resurrection the answers to many questions we have about creation and things that happened in times prior to recorded history. I can wait until then. I do not see this topic as one to dwell on. So, thank you for your contribution. We will agree to disagree on this one, in my view.
The Angels were made before God created the earth, as it says I'm Job
Genesis 2:15, was this a separated man? If GOD had already told mankind to subdue the entire earth? Would HE really take him then to dress & tend a special garden HE had made? Or is this symbolic of the Church._. Ezekiel 28:12-15, Ezekiel 31:8-9, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 61:11, Joel 2:3? Many times Jesus refers to the "vine dresser", the "stewards", seeds, etc. Luke 13:17, Luke 13:18-21, * John 15:1,5, & many times it's about unfaithfulness of that stewardship many times relating to the "Church" & those in charge. Luke 16:2, Ironic Jesus also being crucified by Garden, John 19:41, & where Jesus was betrayed, bound, taken captive, John 18:26,27, John 18:1-12,
Genesis 4:1-16, note Genesis 4:14,
Then you have an unreasonable fear of being killed by vengeance which was completely irrational if there was only Adam & Eve. There in that family -2 mourning the murdered child & 1 on the run. Then you have the outrageous idea that those same two parents would give a daughter to the murderer who already disregarded his brother's life to kill him. Gross, perverted imagination!! Genesis 4:16-17 then he built a city. Genesis 19:4-25, why isn't man killed mentioned? Then Seth's birth.
The importance of the lineage of Adam & Eve was it led to the Messiah Jesus CHRIST. Luke 3:22-38. Therefore when Eve is called the mother of all living CHRIST even addressed this as "let the dead bury the dead" pointing to spiritual death. Note it doesn't say Eve was of "life" it said mother of living._Genesis 3:20..Note also the day they would surely "die"! Genesis 2:17. Genesis 3:6-8, fear of (death?) eternal judgement? What happened? If it wasn't a spiritual death? Genesis 3:10, loss of fellowship, trust, intimacy even in marriage that's sometimes referred to "death, of the marriage"
Genesis 6:1-6, Gen 6:6, "earth" not "garden"
Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in my anger and shall burn unto the lowest hell (Heb. sheol) .....
Psalms 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and you have delivered my soul from the lowest hell (Heb. sheol).
Ezekiel 31:15 Then said the Lord God, In the day when he went down to the grave (Heb. sheol) I caused a mourning, I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.
Ezekiel 31:16 I made the nation shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell (Heb. sheol) with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Ezekiel 31:17 They also went down into hell (Heb. sheol) with him unto to them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
These verse in Ezekiel is talking about Pharaoh and his army, Verse 15 says he went to the grave (sheol), but verses 16 and 17 says he went down to hell (sheol).
The same word can not we translated as two meaning, when it's describing the same event.
But I would ask, as you clearly believe in the Gospel of our Lord, what do you believe that the death of Christ accomplished? And this question pertains to what God requires & also to the benefit of mankind.
Why I ask this supposedly simplistic question is because this matter came up some years ago when a couple of folk calling themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, spoke to me about the wonderful Paradise & freedom of suffering that awaits all men - & wouldn't I want to be a part of it? This matter soon progressed to a person's death & subsequent resurrection to enjoy this bounty from God. And this further progressed to the reality of Hell, to which they clearly don't subscribe to. And ultimately they stated that all the righteous ones (presumably those who followed Jehovah's Laws) would live in this paradise, whilst those who refused Him, would remain in the grave. I took them to task on this belief & they finally left without answer.
Without sharing the full matter here, I wonder if you see anything credible in that discussion, but especially, what did Christ's death accomplish, towards God & to man? And btw, Luke 16:26 was the Lord's Words, not man's.
May CHRIST IS US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Luke 17:21 ....Behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU.
Matthew 12:28 But if I (Christ) cast out DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT ....
Revelation 11:15 ...The kingdoms of this world (Satan in us) are become the kingdoms of God (CHRIST IN US), and his Christ; and he shall reign (IN US) for ever and ever.
Colossians 1:27 ...This mystery...CHRIST IN YOU...
GARDEN OF GOD
Song of Solomon 5:1 I (Christ) am come unto my GARDEN...
Isaiah 58:11 ...and thou shall be like a watered GARDEN....
Isaiah 61:11 ...and as the GARDEN causeth the things that are sown it to spring forth; so the Lord WILL CAUSE righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land (kingdom of God) that was DESOLATE is become like the GARDEN OF EDEN ...
Genesis 2:9 ...And the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the GARDEN, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Isaiah 51:3 For the Lord shall comfort Zion (His chosen): he will comfort all her waste places: and he WILL MAKE her wilderness like EDEN, and her deserts like the GARDEN OF THE LORD: joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.
Genesis 3:8 ..the Lord God walking in the GARDEN..
Ezekiel 31:8 The cedars in the GARDEN OF GOD could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches: nor any tree in the GARDEN OF GOD were like unto him (Christ) in his beauty.
WE ARE THE GARDEN OF GOD....CHRIST IN US...
Ezekiel 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.
4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.
5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.
6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.
7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. (Family trees? Trees have emotions, like envy?)