Discuss Ezekiel 20

  • Chris - In Reply on Ezekiel 19 - 9 months ago
    Hello Star1964. As Jema as shared, the theme of this chapter is in the first verse of the chapter. Yet the chapter is clouded in metaphors; the people could understand it if they were conversant with the Scriptures, but to others it seemed as just another story spoken by a prophet. In this portion of Ezekiel, the prophet is not prophesying any new thing, rather, he is recounting what had taken place & why their princes (& themselves) were in this predicament.

    The prophet Ezekiel was ministering to the southern kingdom, Judah, & Ezekiel himself was one of the many captives taken to Babylon. So he was re-telling the story of their downfall & their present suffering. If you understand these metaphors, then the picture of this chapter will become clearer.

    Verse 2, 'mother, a lioness': is the Kingdom of Judah; 'the lions, whelps': are the kings of Judah. When Judah "brought up one of her whelps, it became a young lion" (v3): referring to King Jehoahaz - for he was taken as a prisoner to Egypt (v4) by Pharaoh-Necho (see 2 Kings 23:31-34 for this account).

    Verses 5-9: when Judah waited too long for Jehoahaz to return & all hope was gone, she took "another of her whelps" (Jehoiachin) & made him king. But when Babylon attacked Judah & Jerusalem & took captives, Jehoiachin was also taken with them (v9; also 2 Kings 24:15). Then in verses 10-14, "the mother" Judah is seen as a vine, plucked up in fury by Nebuchadnezzar, because of the rebellion of King Zedekiah ( 2 Kings 24:17-20; Jeremiah 52:3) against Babylon. Verses 11-14: even though Judah was strong, exalted, & stood out as a sceptre, she was soon removed & the branches of the vine were broken off & the vine withered. Therefore, she is in Babylon (as one now planted in the wilderness) & her greatness & that of her kings were now absolutely nothing. So Ezekiel weeps over such devastation of a great kingdom & will forever remain in the minds of the people. But God would give them hope ( Ezekiel 20:33-44).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 3.

    Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua's leadership ( Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40-44 and 36:1-37:28).

    The Abrahamic Covenant also promised many descendants ( Genesis 12:2). God promised that the number of Abraham's children would rival that of "the dust of the earth" ( Genesis 15:16). Nations and kings would proceed from him ( Genesis 17:6). It is significant that the promise was given to an aged, childless couple. But Abraham "did not waver through unbelief" ( Romans 4:20), and his wife Sarah "considered him faithful who had made the promise" ( Hebrews 11:11). Abraham was justified by his faith ( Genesis 15:6), and he and his wife welcomed Isaac, the son of promise, into their home when they were 100 and 90 years old, respectively ( Genesis 21:5).

    God reiterates the Abrahamic Covenant to Isaac and to his son Jacob, whose name God changes to Israel. The great nation is eventually established in the land where Abraham had dwelled. King David, one of Abraham's many descendants, is given the Davidic Covenant ( 2 Samuel 7:12-16), promising a "son of David" who would one day rule over the Jewish nation-and all nations-from Jerusalem. Many other Old Testament prophecies point to the blessed, future fulfillment of that promise (e.g., Isaiah 11; Micah 4; Zechariah 8).

    See Part 4.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ezekiel 20:36-40 is an interesting read; and it seems to show how at the end of the Tribulation God will judge the Jews in particular as to who is suitable to enter into the Millennial Kingdom.

    As you probably are aware; many elements of the Exodus are similar to what goes on during the Tribulation judgments; such as water being turned into blood andarkness being brought to part of the earth. The hardening of Pharoah is much like the Antichrist after he rids himself of the two witnesses (a bit like Moses and Aaron in their prophesying). We see the physical preservation of those that escape the "flood" that comes out of the mouth of the Beast ( Rev. 12:15)-called the serpent. Much like the Egyptians on their suicidal mission to get the Jews back we see Antichrist and his armies fighting Christ at His return ( Psalm 2). There are some who physically survive and thus; are judged as to whether they are true believers or just rebels from the remnant who haven't taken the mark of the Beast among the Jews; it would seem. It is a sobering thought that circumstances don't change sheep from goats; as we see another rebellion at the end of the Millenium after a world that is as close to Paradise as mortal man can experience.

    On this day; of course we are reminded of Christ's sacrificial death; atonement and ultimate Resurrection defeating death and hell as a result of our sins which He took on when nailed to the cross. Isaiah 63:3 and many other passages demonstrate that the wrath of God must be satisfied either in His method of substitutionary sacrifice or in His wrath at Armageddon when He judges the world or at the death of all unregenerate individuals suffering their eternal fate separated from God in hell.

    Let us live consistent with being a peculiar people ( 1 Peter 2:9); also referencing our priesthood (it is good to read the whole verse). The hidden inner man is what contrasts us from the rest of the world; not an outside veneer of religion.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
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    Yes Jimbob, I would be happy to & will try to be succinct. Though I should mention that the meaning of the Great Tribulation, or Day of the Lord, needs to be clarified first. I understand, as you do, that the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath upon the World can be understood as the Great Tribulation, but I see the final week (7 years) of Daniel's seventy weeks, 490 years: Daniel 9:24-27, as the final seven years - years that will change the World's existence & future forever. And by the way, you believe in a post-trib rapture & I understand that as being before God's Wrath poured out. I view this position to be one of mid-trib for the reason I've shared above, but that's not the point here.

    Now my Scriptures for a pre-trib (or, pre-Day of the Lord) rapture:

    a. the Church is a mystery ( Ephesians 1:1-13), by which believing Jew & Gentile are united into one Body ( Ephesians 2:11-22). Therefore, the Church's translation is not mentioned in the OT that deals with Christ's Second Coming after the Tribulation, & why the Church is promised deliverance before the time of God's Wrath ( 1 Thessalonians 1:9,10; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).

    b. the 70th week in Daniel, is the preparation of Israel's restoration & regeneration ( Deuteronomy 4:29-30; Jeremiah 30:4-11; Ezekiel 20:22-44; Ezekiel 22:13-22).

    c. the Tribulation (including anti-Christ's reign) is not for the Church, but for those who are in the world ( Revelation 3:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8,12,14; 17:2,8). The Church is never seen here & will not participate in Israel's time of trouble.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sammi:

    Do you believe when your body dies, you will instantly be translated into the presence of God?

    The Word preaches a kingdom of God, the Jews were looking for that kingdom and the king of it.

    What they fail to see was that that kingdom was going to be without end, therefore it was necessary for death to be abolished.

    They missed Christ as their redeemer, because they fail to see the necessity of HIS RESURRECTION,

    Christ had to die and be raised to conquer death, so the kingdom could be without end, never ending.

    The old had to be made new, and God chose to do away with the Levitical presthood and use the tribe of Judah, to be the new preisthood.

    Before he can reinstate the kingdom back on earth, he must assemble all the priest he has called out.

    These priest have to be given immortality, so they can serve eternally as priest in the kingdom. The called and chosen were given the gift of immortality by being raise with Christ in his resurrection.

    Isaiah 26:19 ...together with my dead body shall they arise ...

    Revelation 29:6 Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the first resurrection ....

    All this is God's work, man is just the heir, he chooses at random, not out of loving one more than another.

    Ezekiel 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I WILL bring you to the bond of the new covenant (immortality)

    We have to be created again into the exact likeness of Christ to be a priest in the new kingdom, immortal and no corruption.

    This is what the passover in the old coventent implied, blood on the house, and death passed over, we are the house of God, the new temple, in the new kingdom, Christ blood over us causes death to Passover, we are instantly translated into the kingdom, presence of God. This is the millennial reign with Christ, while he gathers the priesthood. It's not literally 1000 years, just the one day, the day of the Lord.

    God Bless You as we are given light.
  • ELB - 1 year ago
    Sister Suze:

    Revelation 8:7 And the first angel sounded, And there followed hail mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and a THIRD PART of the trees were burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up.

    Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one (Christ), which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, and a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to earth with his hand.

    Psalms 18:12 At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hailstones and coals of fire.

    Psalms 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens (in us), and the Highest gave his voice, hailstones and coals of fire.

    Psalms 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:

    Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the LORD God; Behold I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming fire shall not be quenched, and all faces from the north to the south shall be burned therein.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    God Bless you!
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    This is a fascinating thing. I heard a sermon one time saying the words spoken about "if someone sees the face of GOD they cannot live" he said "they cannot live, the same" Is this the question you're looking deeper into? Genesis 32:20,30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 34:28-30,35,

    It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,

    Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.

    Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"

    What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.

    Psalms 139, Job 4:15,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen, Marke!

    You will appreciate the book of Job even more when you understand it is a parable about the sufferings of Christ. Look at it closely and you will see much of it parallels the Psalms.

    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.

    Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable, saying ....

    Job 29:1 Moreover, Job continued his parable, and said ....

    Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (the spirit of Christ), Ah Lord God (the Father), they (the scriptures) say of me (Christ), Doth he (Christ) not speak parables.

    Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable he spake not to them.

    The whole Bible is the words of Christ, therefore the Bible itself is a parable (HIDDEN TRUTHS).

    GBU
  • ELB - In Reply on Malachi 3 - 2 years ago
    Rebecca, here is another prophecy of the TENTH or the tithe to God.

    Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the land.

    Isaiah 6:13 Yet in it (the land) shall be a TENTH, and it (the TENTH) shall return (with Christ), and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, an as an oak, whose (Christ) substance is in them (the TENTH), when they (the TENTH) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED (Christ) shall be the substance thereof.

    Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bear twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month, and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I (Ezekiel),Ah Lord GOD! they(scriptures) say of me (Christ) Doth he (Christ) not speak parables?

    Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them:
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    R:

    John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....

    Revelation 21:1 and I say a NEW HEAVEN.....CHRIST IN YOU.... for the FIRST HEAVEN had passed away....

    Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) has come unto you.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven (in you): Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ....(deception, lies falsehoods)

    Revelation 12:8 And (lies, falsehoods and deception) prevailed not; neither was THEIR PLACE found anymore in HEAVEN (in you).

    Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying IN HEAVEN (in you), Now is come SALVATION ....

    Revelation 12:12 Therefore now rejoice, YE HEAVENS .......

    Ezekiel 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord God, doth not he speak in parables.

    Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing SEE NOT, and hearing they HEAR NOT, neither do they UNDERSTAND.

    Christ came to heal the blind and deaf and cause the lame to walk.

    GBU
  • Charrisse Thompson - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Blessings Bro dan

    I also observe Sabbath on Saturdays. Luke 4:16 as provided in one of your replies is also advising when the Lord's Day is. As for those who worship on Sundays, I feel they had been lead to believe a false belief that Sunday is the Lords Day. I have come by this false belief through bible study and reading the Lords Word KJV as well as other material. National Sunday Law by A Jan Marcussen is a read many people of FAITH should take the time to read. It will explain "Who, How and When" the Sabbath was changed to a Sunday. It is not a secret and you are able to refer to what is written to the Lords Word and writings/ Bibliography. it is a constitution from Emperor Constantine who introduced Sunday Worship as Law in 321 A.D, is the earliest recognition of Sunday as a legal duty. Here are a couple of the references you can go to. The Latin original is in the Codes Justinian (Codes of Justinian), lib 3, title 12, lex. 3, Philip Schaff's, History of the Christian Church, Vol 3 3d period, chapter 7, sec 75 pg 380, footnote 1. The last days is near and there are so many Christians who have been mislead and given false scriptures and teachings that it breaks my heart and also our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Daniel 7:25

    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    Ezekiel 20:12,

    Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

    Ezekiel 20:16

    Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

    Happy Sabbath
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey SolaScrip,

    Is there scripture outside Revelation that confirms an exact 1000 years? The answer is no. Are there false teachers out there? The answer is yes, there are many, 1 John 4:1. Are there scriptures that say the Son of God will reign on earth? The answer is yes. Psalm 2:6-9 Psalm 22:27-31 Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 9:6-7 Isaiah 24:21-23 Jeremiah 23:5 Ezekiel 20:33-44 Ezekiel 39:21-29 Zechariah 2:10-13 Zechariah 8:2-3 Zechariah 14:1-9 Matthew 19:28 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 20:4 and more.

    Is there any scripture that says people will go to or reign in heaven? The answer is no. Are there scriptures that say the elect will reign with Jesus on earth? The answer is yes. Daniel 7:27 2 Timothy 2:11-13 Revelation 5:10. Are there scriptures that describe how things change after Jesus returns? The answer is yes. Zechariah 8:4 Isaiah 11 Isaiah 60:15 Isaiah 65:18-25. These people will be alive on the second coming of Jesus, they will have the opportunity to live longer if they choose to obey God.

    Are there things that have not been revealed to us? The answer is, yes? Jesus will return and set up the kingdom here on earth and He will put all enemies under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:25. Will death still be during the time Jesus is ruling? The answer is yes. The purpose is to fulfill the rest of the scriptures with Jesus, Israel, the Gentiles, and creation that has not yet been fulfilled.

    The only scripture that gives us 1000 years is Revelation, but many scriptures tell us the kingdom will be set up on earth. We have these, Numbers 14:21 Psalms 115:16 Micah 4:1-3 Matthew 5:5 Matthew 6:10. Not to debate, with the time it will take I cannot say the 1000 years are false.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

    Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

    Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

    Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

    Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

    Colossians 2:8-17,

    James 2:1-26
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Godwin. In this passage (Ezekiel chapter 21), the prophet Ezekiel is announcing a grave warning to Judah (vv 20,25) about their future. The repetition of the word "overturn", or as in Hebrew, 'to overthrow/bring to ruin', is a warning & denunciation of Judah's kings, especially the last one (Zedekiah), that that kingly line will come to an end (v 26) because of their many transgressions (vv 24,25). So repeating the word 'overthrow' emphatically brings home the message, 'what the LORD says & commands, will occur & Judah (& Israel) should be warned'.

    Verse 27: so the prophecy is that the line of the kings of Judah will end, "until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him." There was no king after Zedekiah, & even though history records that after their captivity in Babylon, some priests of the Asmonean race (not of Judah) assumed the title of kings, they, nor anyone else would have right to rule Judah until the One Whom the LORD appoints comes & sits on the Throne of David ( Zechariah 6:12,13; Luke 1:32,33; Daniel 7:13,14). The nation of Israel has been without a king, since they have rejected the Messiah of God, but the day will come when God will restore all things ( Ezekiel 20:40-44) and Israel will acknowledge Jesus: "For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." ( Matthew 23:39).
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    Hi M.

    Providing we're able to convince one there is a God by his creation,

    Psalms 19:1.

    Romans 1:19-20.

    Perhaps here's a few of many verses that shows the God of the Bible is that God.

    Genesis 13:14-15. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

    For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed (FOR EVER.)

    As we know they went into captivity, And Ezekiel wrote from Babylon when the was desolate. They later returned and the land was left desolate again for over 1900 years.

    May14, 1948. We see the "start" of

    Ezekiel 37:1-27.

    Ezekiel 20:42.

    Jeremiah 30:2-3.

    Jeremiah 31:17.

    Isaiah 43:5-6.

    Micah 4:6-7.

    Amos 9:14-15.

    Ezekiel 36:23. AND I WILL SANCTIFY MY GREAT NAME, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I SHALL BE SANCTIFIED IN YOU BEFORE THEIR EYES.

    Jeremiah 16:14-15. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

    Jeremiah 23:6-8. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Sister GiGi, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Romans 8:11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any GOOD or EVIL, that the PURPOSE OF GOD according to election might stand, not of works, but if him that calleth;

    Ephesian 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundations of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.

    Hebrews 4:3 .... the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the word.

    Abel was chose, Cain was not, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, all the prophets, etc., etc. were CHOSEN for the PURPOSE of GOD, all others were not CHOSEN during their first life in the flesh, but will be resurrected back to their flesh, and then be save, but according to the purpose and election of GOD, at each ones appointed time.

    Those chosen in this age, are chosen for a PURPOSE OF GOD, to be PRIEST in the KINGDOM OF GOD, on this earth.

    All others will have a different office in God's kingdom, but eventually brought into the priesthood.

    Ezekiel 20:37 And I WILL CAUSE YOU to pass under the rod, and will bring you into the covenant of God.

    In the OLD testament, every tenth one that passed under the ROD was and offering unto the LORD.

    Malachi 3:3 ... that they may offer to the Lord an OFFERING in RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Isaiah 6:13 But yet in the land shall be a TENTH, and it (the tenth) shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (the HOLY SEED, CHRIST IN YOU) is in them, when they (the trees) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

    Revelation 22:2 And in the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE(S) OF LIFE which bear twelve manner of fruit every month: and the LEAVES OF THE TREE(S) was for the healing of the nations.

    This is the purpose of those CHOSEN by election, in this AGE.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 16 - 2 years ago
    Amen BSP, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You are correct; when God purposes something, it's good as done.

    1 Timothy 2:4 Who WILL HAVE (God's WILL; will be done)( Matthew 6:10) ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and come to the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour (in the WORKS OF GOD; not our work)( Colossians 1:29) and suffer reproach, because we trust ( Ezekiel 36:27) in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those who believe ( Philippians 1:29)

    1 Timothy 4:11 There things COMMAND and TEACH.

    God IS NOT searching for those who want to SERVE HIM; because if it were up to flesh, NO ONE would serve him. He has already CHOSEN US ( Ephesians 1:11); he is BRINGING US TO THAT TRUTH ( Ezekiel 36:27).

    Flesh WILL NOT serve GOD; it is enmity to SPIRIT ( Romans 8:7) .

    God has CHOSEN (through casting the die; if you will)( Ezekiel 20:37) a select FEW to be KINGS and PRIEST ( Revelation 5:10) with HIM in his kingdom.

    Those, CHOSEN TO BECOME the IMAGE of GOD ( Romans 8:29)( Ephesians 4:24), will become judges with Christ' at the resurrection of the dead, back to their flesh ( 1 Corinthians 6:2)( Revelation 2:26-27). They (the dead) will be THEN brought to TRUTH.

    Isaiah 29:9 For when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    None of this is a reproof to you, my brother in Christ, I am just ADDING to your comments.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Allen.

    To the Jews the sabbath was a day of rest. It was on the seventh day of the week,

    Deuteronomy 5:15. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

    They couldn't even gather sticks to burn to keep warm. Numbers 15:32-36.

    Today some are confused when they see people gather on Sunday and thinking Sunday is being made a Holy Day or replacing the Jewish Sabbath day which is ( Set apart/Holy for a day of rest )

    Ezekiel 20:19-20. I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;

    And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

    Being that the Sabbath is a day of rest and one would want to keep the sabbath he should understand what that rest represents.

    Do a study on Hebrews Ch 3 and 4 and see is keeping the sabbath and giving it merit enters you into his rest.

    Infact a good study in all of Hebrews would broaden our understanding.

    God bless.
  • Earl Bowman on Romans 5 - 2 years ago
    Brother adam, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

    we don't have to wait for judgement day to be born again (saved).

    ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners he died for us.

    psalms 106:8 nonetheless he saved them for his name sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.

    isaiah 43:25 i, even i, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake....

    jeremiah 14:7 o lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name ....

    ezekiel 20:44 and ye shall know that i am the lord, when i have wrought with you for my name .....

    there is dozens of scriptures that say, god does everything for his name; we are the beneficiaries of his works; for his name.

    we are graced!
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Glenn - just responding to you after watching that video. To Charles credit, his knowledge of the Word & of history and his charismatic vibrant manner was quite compelling to watch & I enjoyed what he presented.

    Even though his presentation was probably to a group already familiar with his teaching having received more of the background from his other messages, I was intently listening out for those basic elements (i.e. a systematic teaching) to support his position on the keeping of the Law & in particular the Sabbath Day. He came close to it by quoting Ezekiel 20:11-16, suggesting that observance of the Sabbath was a sign, so I became excited hoping for an explanation of how that sign given to Israel was then transposed onto the Gentiles, particularly the Church consisting of both Jew & Gentile. But was left bereft. And the other aspects of his message on the Antichrist, Rome's involvement, etc. were interesting but couldn't be substantiated since the groundwork wasn't dealt with.

    So if I had already come with the same understanding as him on this matter, I would have left satisfied & confirmed in my belief. But since I came seeking Scriptures & appropriate exegesis on how that which was given specifically to Israel & none other, came to be conferred upon Gentiles, I received none. Of course, he would have needed to address the specifics of the Covenants & somehow show from Scripture that what was given before did apply post-Cross. And that would have taken some working through & probably outside the parameter of that message.

    So Glenn, thank you for that - I did enjoy listening to Charles, but didn't find my question answered there. Maybe you know of another video that will deal with that fundamental aspect that seems to form a clear division amongst believers. Blessings.
  • Michael - In Reply on Nehemiah 8 - 2 years ago
    Christians are no longer under the Old Covenant Laws (the 10 commandments followed by approximately another 600 laws). Jeremiah prophesied:

    Jeremiah 31:31, 32 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

    You will notice that the New Covenant would NOT be like the Old Covenant. The New Covenant was inaugurated by the shed blood of Christ as per:

    Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."

    Under this New Covenant, the Laws being stipulated namely in Romans to Revelation, we are never commanded to keep the Sabbath Day holy. In fact, we are commanded the opposite.

    Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

    Before the Mosaic Law was given at the time of the exodus from Egypt, the Bible never says that the faithful kept the Sabbath Day - whether that be Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. Notice when the Sabbath was given and to whom:

    Nehemiah 9:13, 14 "Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

    Ezekiel 20:10-12 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them...

    The word "them" is referring to ancient Israel.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on John 3:13 - 2 years ago
    Joe, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    If Lazarus and and the rich man is not a parable; it makes Christ's words a lie:

    Matthew 13:34 ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES;and without a PARABLE SPAKE HE NOT UNTO THEM.

    Luke 12:41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest this parable unto us, or even to all?

    The disciples walked with Jesus three and one half years and never understood a word he said; UNTIL he took them aside and explained the PARABLES to them. Today you can't understand the PARABLES; unless CHRIST IN YOU explains them to you. Ask and you shall receive.

    Ezekiel 20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a FIRE in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming FIRE shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.

    Ezekiel 20:42 Then said I, Ah Lord God, Doeth he not speak in PARABLES?

    Luke 12:49 I am come to send FIRE on the earth; and what will I, if it be ALREADY KINDLED?

    Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptised with; and how am I straightened till it be accomplished!

    Matthew 3:11 ......he shall baptise you with the Holy Ghost; and with FIRE.

    John 10:6 Jesus spake this parable unto them: but they UNDERSTOOD NOT what things they were which he spoke to them.

    Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.
  • Simon on 2 Chronicles 10 - 2 years ago
    Part 1 continued:

    ( Ezekiel 21:12) Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people,...smite therefore upon thy thigh. "smite therefore upon thy thigh" is reference to Jacob wrestling an angel for the birthright he obtained from a hungry Esau, for a bowl of lentil soup. Wrestling the angel permanently injured Jacob's thigh ( Genesis 32:24-25). Seen as our "Jacob's time of trouble"; the great tribulation.

    God made both Gog and Esau "small" and "despised "( Obadiah 1:2) Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

    ( Daniel 11:23) And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

    ( Matthew 24:21-22) For then shall be great tribulation....

    ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) The falling away is the abomination of desolation.

    ( Mark 13:14) ( Matthew 24:15)

    ( 2 Peter 3:10) (Mathew 3:11)

    ( Amos 5:18) ( Amos 5:20)

    ( Daniel 11:31)

    ( Revelation 17:16-17)

    ( Daniel 9:27)

    ( Jeremiah 51:53)

    ( Revelation 18) vs 20 ...for in one hour is she made desolate.

    ( Revelation 18:9-10) ...for in one hour is thy judgment come. ( Ezekiel 18:26)

    ( Daniel 12:6-7)

    Israel (house) is notably attacked [from the south to the north]:

    ( Ezekiel 21:2-4) And say to the land of Israel (northern kingdom),...therefore shall my sword go forth out of his sheath against all flesh [from the south to the north].

    ( Ezekiel 20:46-47) ....Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree:...and all faces [from the south to the north] shall be burned therein.

    ( Isaiah 21:1) ....As whirlwinds in [the south pass through]; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land (Gog's land)

    ( Job 37:9)

    ( Isaiah 24) "Day of the Lord" aftermath.

    ( Revelation 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed...
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 3 years ago
    Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 14

    Revelation 15

    Revelation 16

    This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle ( Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) ( Revelation 14:14-20) ( Matthew 20:1-16)

    When the sixth seal was opened ( Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of ( Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him ( Isaiah 26:19),( Revelation 20:5-6) and ( Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour ( Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost ( Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST ( Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne ( Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again ( Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. ( Ezekiel 1:10) ( Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

    Hebrews 12:29

    Luke 12:49-50

    Matthew 3:11-12

    Isaiah 9:5

    Isaiah 4:3-4

    Malachai 3:2-3

    Ezekiel 20:46-49

    1 Corinthians 3:15
  • NEVER GOING BACK TO EGYPT - In Reply on Ezekiel 20:25 - 3 years ago
    I was taught that "Egypt" in our modern times means our old sins and idols in our lives. The difference between now and then, is that we have received the power of the risen Christ into our born again lives.

    No matter how God provided for them, they never let go of their idols and memories of Egyptian religious practices, like golden calves. They wandered in the deserts till the older generation died away. Moses died. Joshua then took them into the Promised land.

    We all must freely give our old sins; even the memories. How do you do that? You forgive your involvement and then give it to God. Satan will tempt periodically to see if you really meant it? We have power to step over that noose, through Jesus's blood sacrifice.

    We are in Covenant with Jesus. He gives us his armor and strength; and we give Him our weakness and failures.

    Stand sure upon that Covenant relationship.

    New Christians should search through their belongings and mementos; to see if an "old idol" of the memory of sin (Egypt), needs to be cast away. It is a very freeing experience to rid yourself of the baggage of sin.

    Most preachers don't teach on this, but I do. Familiar Spirits (follows ancestral sins), or keep track of hidden sins. They follow us around to remind us of those old things.

    You Take away their power to remind, re-injure the memories, tempt us to revisit sin (to see if it's really dead?) Get rid of them once and for all.

    (Bind them by name.) I bind and cast out all familiar spirits in the name of Jesus Christ!

    I break their power in my life and my ancestors all the way back to Adam and Eve. I loose the blessings of God to fill my life with blessing and restoration. I send those familiar spirits into outer darkness by the name and the power of Jesus Christ. I stand on Jesus's Authority and none other.

    I decree that those familiar spirits NEVER return. In the name of my Lord Jesus.

    May we go forward from Egypt into the Promised Land.

    Mishael
  • Patricia on Ezekiel 20:25 - 3 years ago
    Explain Ezekiel 20:7-8
  • Charlie on Ezekiel 20:25 - 3 years ago
    the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. mark 2-27, col 2-16 let no man

    therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of an holyday or of the new moon or of

    the sabbath days. the sabbath for the born again christian is everyday. the early church worshipped

    the first day of the week or sunday.keeping the sabbath does not save from hell jesus saves from

    hell if you are a sda it is false cult denying hell and after death, and it is a works based cult founded

    by ellen g white who was a plagarist. acts 4-12 salvation is found in no other name there is no other name

    given among men which we must be saved.
  • Jill Johns on Ezekiel 20:35 - 3 years ago
    America is end time Israel where the gathering of his people is taking place. It is the only Nation that fulfills the prophecy to Abraham. Most of his people reside in the Christian Churches and are being called out, leaving in droves. Come out of her (the Babylonian whore) my people!)
  • Naya - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 3 years ago
    Jesse, what I meant by "to be found worthy" is just having a good rapport, righteousness through faith in Jesus upon his return.

    When I say "natural born Israel" is physical Israelites by bloodline. Since the male carries the seed, whoever a person's father's father is down the line is the true nationality of that person according to God. Not discounting "mixed" with something else. I'm going strictly by the male's seed as it was done according to the Lord and the bible Descendants of the children of Israel are still here today, only God knows exactly who they are. That's the only way he can gather them from where he scattered them throughout the 4 corners of the earth upon his return.

    (You say Revelation 19 says we come back with him?) Read: Zechariah 14:1;3-5;9;16-17 (iThe day of the Lord's return, yes, he said he will bring all the saints w/him.

    See: I Thessalonians 3:12-13(This is the Lord saying he's coming w/all his saints.

    See: Zechariah 14:9; 16-17 (EVERYONE that is left of all nations. Ask yourself, where did Jesus get his saints from that he'll have w/him upon his return? See: I Thessalonians.

    I Thessalonians 4:13-17 (The Lord coming down. He said the saints will be "caught up in the clouds" to meet him in the air. This all takes place "after" the last trumpet, "after" the "Great Tribulation."

    See: Daniel 7:1-3; 13-14; 17-18; 27 (verse 13 Remember the Lord said he's coming meeting in the clouds?)

    4 Kings=4 Kingdoms. The saints of the most high will take the kingdom. "Under the heaven"=This is Jesus' Kingdom on earth. Notice verse 27 This is the last prophecy the angel Gabriel gave Mary.

    Ezekiel 20:32-39 The Lord is dealing w/Natural born Israel "after" his return on earth. These are mortal beings he will plead w/and purge out the rebels in the wilderness, then make his new covenant w/them. Part of this scripture deals w/the past;part of it deals w/future events.

    I'll answer your second part shortly.
  • Angeline - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi brother, Greetings to you!

    This is with regards to your comment on the Sabbath. Right from the creation, God has set apart one day as the Holy Day, A day of rest. He sanctified the Sabbath day, which is the seventh day of the week and not any other day or all the days of the week. We can also see from the commandments written by God Himself to Remember to keep the Sabbath Day Holy; Six days you shall work but the Seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God( Exodus 20:8-11); It is a covenant sign between God and His Children( Ezekiel 20:20).

    However, most of our Fellow Christian friends worship God on the first day of the week, which is merely man made and that day has neither been considered as a day to worship nor God has changed the day of worship from Saturday, the 7th day of the week to Sunday, the first day of the week.

    Jesus, while He lived on this earth, kept the Sabbath and went to the church on Sabbath days as His custom was( Luke 4:16). Jesus even said, in Matthew 5:17 that He has not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill. Jesus also said, if you love Me, keep My commandments( John 14:15). So, its very plain and simple, if you love Jesus, Keep His commandments.

    As we live in the last days, there is going to be a time where we all are going to face a testing time with regards to the day of worship. All the end time prophecies as mentioned in the book of Revelation are fulfilling and soon, Sunday law is going to be enforced globally. The Question is whether we are obedient to God's law by observing the Bible Sabbath or following the man made commandments( Revelation 14:12) These are explained definitely not to scare anyone; but the Scripture says, Whoever obeys His words are going to receive the seal of God and the others the mark of the Beast.

    The beautiful part is, we are going to observe Sabbaths in Heaven as well!( Isaiah 66:23). So, why don't we start right here on earth! May the Holy Spirit lead you to His truth. Amen.


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