So it appears Oseas, that you prefer to lean to your own extra-biblical beliefs rather than the pure unadulterated Word of God. I use God's Word, the Bible that we have in our hands, & in spite of that, you claim that those words are devilish. So who's in greater danger? For this reason, you continue to avoid my questions & incorrectly exegete from the Word of God, simply because your true colors will be revealed. So, in your warning to me, I would suggest that you seriously look at your claims against the Word of God, Jesus' Own Words, and not mine or anyone else's.
Jesus' accusation against the Jews & their father being the devil ( John 8:40-44) was because they refused to believe His Words & had set about to kill Him - nothing at all to do with the Names Jesus used and gave of God to the people (i.e. Names: God, Father, Lord). The Names of God in the Bible are true & valid Names (whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek), that God Himself revealed ( Exodus 6:3, Exodus 3:15), which those of the OT referred to, that Christ proclaimed, & spoke of & believed upon by His followers. Your agenda in this matter is dubious & malicious against the Holy Name of God & His Christ, when you say that the glorious Name of Yahweh, which was given to Israel, is of the devil.
And it's pointless referring to Isaiah 9:6 (if you're suggesting that Jesus (or the Word) is the Name of God - a matter you avoid clarifying), when many Scriptures throughout the NT show to us that the God of Heaven is still seated on the Throne, to Whom Jesus prayed, the people were pointed to, & to Whom Jesus ascended now seated at His right Hand. Please study the Scriptures fully, rightly dividing the Word, believing the Word, then we might have a true foundation for discussion.
Thanks for your response Oseas. Actually, what I did present was that "Yahweh" IS seen elsewhere in the Word. In John 8:44, Jesus is deriding the Jews for holding onto lies instead of believing Jesus' Words of Truth to them; this verse doesn't suggest that Satan initiated these supposed lies of the Names of God - here was Satan playing with their minds & hearts against Christ & not against what was written in the Word of God, which even Satan cannot deny. So we cannot assume that the 'father of lies' has forced upon us these 'false' Names of God; what we do need to do to prove it, is to ascertain if the original writings didn't have these Names. So far, we have gone back to the CJB & Tanakh: would there be any older genuine Hebraic writings available to us that show us differently? If not, we simply can't speculate or assume, for that in itself would lead us in error.
Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
2 Sam. 7:26 says that The LORD Almighty is God over Israel. He is our God as well.
David speaks of resting in the shadow of the Almighty in Ps.91:1 WE, too, can rest in Him, as Jesus promised to give us rest when we come to Him.
Rev. 19:6 says the LORD God Almighty reigns. He is sovereign! He reigns far above all else. No one can rest His throne of glory from Him.
2 Chr. 32:7 says that the Israelites had a greater power with them than whom was against them.
His great power saves us. Ps. 20:6
Hosea 13:14 says that God has power to ransom His own from the power of the grave and death.
God's mighty power gave the Son the victory over death and the grave in raising Him from the dead to be alive evermore.
Luke 1:35 says to Mary that the power of the Most High will bring about the conception of the Holy One in her even as she is a virgin.
Rom. 1:20 says that God's power is eternal.
1 Cor. 1:24 says that Christ is the power of to those who are called. We do not have the power to save ourselves, but Jesus does.
And in 15:24 Paul says that God will put an end to all dominion. power, and authority after subduing every enemy, crushing them under the feet of Jesus.
Col. 2 :10 says that in Jesus is the head of all power and authority.
Heb. 7:16 says that Jesus had the power of an indestructible life.
How Great Is Our God, Great in Power, Great in Wonder, King of Heaven.
Thank YOU FATHER for the faithfulness shown on this platform by the brethren, through YOUR Word. It gives us courage and strength to go on. Help us to continue faithfully in prayers for the peace in Jerusalem; and for the leadership on the national, state, and local levels.
Happy holidays and stay safe everyone. Merry Christmas in CHRIST name.
You said"God doesn't have a name like humans,say John,George, Michael..." .
Perfectly.Let us recapitulate what the Word reveals:In Exodus 3:14,when Moses wanted to know GOD's name,GOD said:I Am That I Am. In fact was not a name,for example,you are that you are,I am that I am. And GOD said unto Moses:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
So,for Moses specifically the I Am was GOD, His GOD.
Well,it is interesting to consider that the people of GOD in Egypt, Abraham's descendants,were all Egyptians by birth,including Moses, in fact they became a people familiarized with the idolatry of the Egyptians, the Apis ox, so in their journey through the desert, a golden calf came out from their heart as was a god for them.
And for the people of Israel as a whole, then the I Am introduce Himself as the GOD of them, Moses was instructed to preach for the people, saying:"...the Lord GOD of your fathers, the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Isaac,and the GOD of Jacob,hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations(of Israel).The Lord GOD of your fathers,the GOD of Abraham,of Isaac, and of Jacob,appeared unto me- Exodus 3:15-16.
And prophet Amos preached: For, lo, He that formeth the mountains,and createth the wind,and declareth unto man what is his thought,that maketh the morning darkness,and treadeth upon the high places of the earth,The Lord( Exodus 6:3),The GOD of hosts is His NAME.
By the way, YHWH,and Yahweh,Jehovah,Yehovah,Elohim,Adonai, HaShem,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah,these 10 names,rather, nicknames,are NAMES of the father and god of the Jews.Jn.8:44-45 combined with 2:Th2:3-4& Jn 5:43-47.Take a look.
Acts 4:11-12 say:11 JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation IN ANY OTHER:for there is none OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men-EXCEPT JESUS- whereby we must be saved.
Exodus 6:20 is part of the Old Testament in the Bible, and it mentions the genealogy of Moses and Aaron. The verse reads:
"Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years."
So, based on this verse, Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron, married his father's sister, Jochebed. This would indeed mean that Amram married his aunt, according to the genealogy described in the Bible. In the context of the time and the cultural norms of that era, such marriages were not uncommon. However, it's essential to interpret these historical accounts within their cultural and historical context.
Hosea 12:2-6, it is wisdom to search out scripture, many times GOD clarifies His WORD & repeats. Also significant : Genesis 28:17-22, Genesis 32, Genesis 35:1,3, Genesis 35 whole chapter puts together Bethel & Bethlehem & GOD's appearing, Genesis 48:3,7, Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 2:3, Isaiah 41:8, Jeremiah 31:11, Jeremiah 51:19, Micah 4:2, Acts 7:46-48,
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Isaiah 26:4
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:
In this context, it is a strong word. In KJV you have what is right. Some creeds have their own printing presses and can therefore make / raise / shorten as they wish. This will be confusing for those who read it.
My experience is KJV is the best. Sometimes i hear readings from other publishers and the words are unfortunately mixed so that even if i read in my KJV there is total confusion. My advice to you is to read a translation that you drop and stumble upon the words / settings and the like. Only KJV :)
Hope the answer can help you. For the Bible is meant to have a word that is understandable. Jehovah is also used by the Witnesses. I have no prior knowledge there. But maybe someone else has? Know that they do not believe in the trinity between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Stay safe in Jesus name, love u in Christ. John 7:10_24
Hi Louise. We find the Name of the LORD (Jehovah) written from the earliest chapters of the Bible ( Genesis 2:7). But only from Exodus 6:1-3, does God reveal Himself to Moses: that He is the LORD, Jehovah:
"Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
Numbers 20:7-12, is a portion of the whole story & reason.
Let's look at the bigger picture:
Numbers 20:12, please note it says "Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore._._" , Please read Exodus, Moses' doubts: Exodus 3:11,13, Exodus 4:1,3,10,14, Exodus 4:24-26, Exodus 5:22, Exodus 6:12, Exodus 6:30, Exodus 14:11-15, Exodus 16:2-28, Exodus 17:2-7, Exodus 32:11-19,30,31,32,33, Exodus 33:1-3, Numbers 11:1-15, mercy ( Numbers 11:16-20,) Numbers 11:21-23, * Numbers 13, Numbers 13:30,31,32, * Numbers 14, very significant I believe, when they were supposed to take the promised land please read Numbers chapters 13 & 14, & notice: Numbers 13:30, Numbers 14:24, Numbers 14:22-23,
Thanks GiGi. I could only learn this from referring to the Hebrew text (& translation), where in Genesis 2:4 the Hebrew clearly shows "in the day that the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) made the earth and the heavens". And not being a Hebrew reader, I can only read it as given, that it is 'God Who is YHWH', Who has done all these things & now communing with man & woman.
Given that the Genesis writer is generally accepted as being Moses (written between 1450 & 1410 BC), where he would have been given special grace to relate these events that he personally had not experienced, it could be that God was already showing him that 'special' connection to His people Israel, yet future, was already set in Adam & Eve.
Yet, would all those living pre-Moses (i.e. pre- Exodus 3:13,14), even know that 'special' Name? Exodus 6:3, says that the 'Name YHWH was not known to the patriarchs'. And yet we know that they were aware of it, like Abraham ( Genesis 15:7; Genesis 22:14), Jacob ( Genesis 27:20) & others knew that Name. But did they only know OF that Name but did not know Him fully, the full depth of understanding of the Name, YHWH? This debate probably still goes on. But when the children of Israel were in slavery in Egypt for over 400 years, that Name which should have been remembered & faithfully passed on, was forgotten, hence their need for an urgent reminder by Moses.
And "why should the Israelites listen to Moses & trust God?" There were four tokens of identification of this 'forgotten' God: the one of His Name ( Exodus 3:14, I AM: I've read that it is the inner meaning of YHWH - I Am the One Who Is); the one of the rod/serpent ( Exodus 4:1-5); the one of the leprous hand ( Exodus 4:6-8); & the one of the river of blood ( Exodus 4:9). I guess that any one or all of these signs should have confirmed Moses' call without any dispute & revealed to the Israelites unequivocally Who the One was Who had heard their cries & come to save them.
Hello Gitai. That's a good question, as these differences in the use of God (as a Name), can be found right through the Scriptures.
In the references you gave, we can understand & know the meaning of the various names given. In Genesis chapter 1, the author refers to God as 'God' (or, Elohim). Elohim, is a general name for the True God, as it can also be used to depict other gods (e.g. Genesis 31:30; Exodus 12:12), of angels ( Psalm 8:5), of men ( Psalm 82:6), of judges/rulers ( Exodus 21:6)). So, in relation to God's creative Work, the Name Elohim was given here. And of course, Elohim is also used of the True God elsewhere in the Bible, where creating is not signified (e.g. Genesis 35:7).
But in Genesis chapter 2 we see the use of the word, LORD (or, Yahweh), & this signifies a special revelation & a special relationship to Israel: 'Yahweh' means the active, self-existent One (as in Exodus 3:14, where the word is connected to the verb, 'to be') & also being Israel's Redeemer ( Exodus 6:6). So the use of the word, LORD, signifies this True God (Elohim) is not distant (as seen by His other Works), but is now revealed in a most personal way to Israel as LORD (Yahweh); hence combining the two words to read, LORD God. And from Genesis 2:2 onwards, this Name is used to signify the commencement of a personal interaction with His creation.
And when we read the word, 'Lord', this means 'master, lord, sovereign' (as in Genesis 15:2). Hence we can have a variety of combinations: God, LORD God, Lord God, each one depicting what the author has received from God that has to be revealed to the reader (chiefly, Israel in the OT references). And of interest, this God Who is a personal God, is also experienced in many ways in that relationship. Hence, we get compound Names of Yahweh, such Yahweh-Jireh (the God Who will see to it; or provides); Yahweh-Shalom (the God Who gives peace); & many other compound Names.
Jehovah used in this KJV translation : Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4,
To find where each place it's located : (I just searched Jehovah in the search tab, on this site. It opens in top left of page when you tap the KJV Standard)
If you notice in Exodus 6:3, it's perfect how it explains HE appeared to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob as GOD ALMIGHTY, but JEHOVAH that name was not known to them. It's very interesting the way the Bible has the names of GOD, especially old testament. In Psalms 83:18, Most High over all the earth.
Thanks Bro Dan. My other one finally would not even turn on. So I have been trying to use my older I phone which has really small keys and screen. Was frustrating. So, had my birthday last weekend, and got a new laptop. WooHoo!
Being retired and still need to rest my aching back throughout the day. I bought a new laptop a little over a year ago and it has been so helpful as I have to pass time in my recliner so much. I was able to participate on this site and to search many topics of many sites to increase my knowledge of God's Word and work throughout history. Been quite fruitful for me. So, not being online much this past month or so has been a bummer. But I am thankful we were able to buy a new laptop.
I am filling journals with my findings and thoughts. That way, I can reference these when I wish to respond to someone's post here or speak with someone I know when we visit. i don't go out much because of covid and only meet with a few friends and family members. God has kept me well from viruses since March of 2020, which helps me control my asthma without exacerbations.
I am glad to see you back on the forum. There are a handful of folks we haven't heard from for a few weeks. You were one of them that I was wondering about. I have been praying for these posters and hope they come back to posting soon. I appreciate hearing their viewpoints and am helped by their contributions.
Praise the Lord! Glad to be able to get back into Exodus now that I have a new laptop! Thank You LORD GOD!
In this chapter, God speaks again to Moses. He explains to Moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew Him as Almighty God but not as YHWH (I AM WHO I AM). God reveals more of Himself with each name He gives of Himself to those He chooses to reveal it to for the purposes He wishes to accomplish in the lives of the people (person) He will work in and through. Here, God is saying that He is the same God that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew; that He is the same God going back to the beginning of time, and eternally before time, and eternally forward. With Moses' background, He may not have been taught by His Israelite parents and community growing up. His knowledge of God must have been rather sparse when he fled to Midian at age 40. His father in law, Jethro, was a priest of the Most High. Now Moses was meeting with God and given the name YHWH. Maybe God needed to assure Moses that He was Almighty God, Most High God, Elohim, YHWH as the Only True God. In a world of polytheism, Moses may have thought these names indicated different gods. But In this chapter, God is saying He is YHWH, also known as Almighty God, Most High, Elohim. Moses was learning about God as he went forward in the work God was charging him with. It goes to show us that we do not need to know much about God to turn to Him and be saved. He will lead us in our discovery of who He is and what He has done as we walk in faith and obedience. God explains how He will be the God of the Israelites and they will be His chosen people according to the covenant He made
The remainder of the chapter is a a genealogy showing Moses' descent from Levi. Also, I names the male descendants of Reuben, Simeon and Levi (Jacobs first three sons, born to Leah). These men were to be leaders as God leads the Israelites out of Egypt by His mighty hand go.and outstretched arm. He will strongarm Pharaoh into letting his people
Genesis 15:13-14, Genesis 37, Genesis 39, Genesis 40, Genesis 41, Genesis 47, Genesis 50:22,23, Exodus 1:1-7, Exodus 1:8-12. Note Exodus 1:11,20, Exodus 2:1, please note: John 8:39, biblical times lineage of Levi & Abraham very significant, therefore they would call themselves or other's by the name, many generations. Matthew 1:1, Matthew 22:42, Exodus 6:16-27, Exodus 12:40,41,
Come get everlasting life! Read, learn, and pray to apply!
John 17:3
And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)
*In the King James translation:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)
Hi Darold , I've heard many great exhortations on this subject , I can only tell you what I believe . Here goes : to me our cross is a burden , the greatest burden I have , the thing that stops me from being the Christian that I want to be is.....me . My existence in this sinfull flesh . My sinfull self in this life of flesh is my biggest burden . I have to eat drink sleep , I have numerous health problems that make daily life for me painful and exhausting , so I can't read the Bible as much as I wish , I can't do the good things that I should be doing , then there is my own desires or lusts if you prefer . I get tangled up in other people's emotions , people that I care about , I worry about them , I say and do things that I shouldn't really but I justify myself in a million sinfull excuses . I am my own burden . My sinfull flesh . This is Christ victory . This is the brassen serpent in the wilderness , this is the serpent in the garden of Eden . This is Christ's enormous and fantastic and awesome and beautiful gift . Greater love hath no man than that . He did it all for us . He did it out of love . Love for us and for his Father and ours , the Holy One of Israel .
I was approved about a month ago. I enjoy reading the comments on this site. I am learning more and more about the Almighty God:Jehoveh:
Exodus 6:3
Jesus: Alpha and Omega
Revelations 1:8
Holy Spirit: The Comforter
John 14:26
I was converted at 9 years old.
Although On my journey, I haven't always got it right, I've been coming this way a long time. I am 85 years old now.
I thank God for every day.
My children suggested I find something to keep me busy.
I thank all of you for sharing the word with me. I love Jesus. Amen!
Jesus' accusation against the Jews & their father being the devil ( John 8:40-44) was because they refused to believe His Words & had set about to kill Him - nothing at all to do with the Names Jesus used and gave of God to the people (i.e. Names: God, Father, Lord). The Names of God in the Bible are true & valid Names (whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek), that God Himself revealed ( Exodus 6:3, Exodus 3:15), which those of the OT referred to, that Christ proclaimed, & spoke of & believed upon by His followers. Your agenda in this matter is dubious & malicious against the Holy Name of God & His Christ, when you say that the glorious Name of Yahweh, which was given to Israel, is of the devil.
And it's pointless referring to Isaiah 9:6 (if you're suggesting that Jesus (or the Word) is the Name of God - a matter you avoid clarifying), when many Scriptures throughout the NT show to us that the God of Heaven is still seated on the Throne, to Whom Jesus prayed, the people were pointed to, & to Whom Jesus ascended now seated at His right Hand. Please study the Scriptures fully, rightly dividing the Word, believing the Word, then we might have a true foundation for discussion.
Re: Exodus 6:2,3. As I re-read it again, I believe that God Himself is telling Moses (& all who read His Word), that His Name is Jehovah but this Name was not known to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. They knew Him as "God Almighty" (El Shaddai: the Almighty God) as seen in Genesis 17:1:
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the ALMIGHTY GOD (El Shaddai); walk before me, and be thou perfect".
God here in Exodus is stating Who He is to His people under this special Covenant. If you believe that this is not what God said, then I can't go further with it, because I read it with plain understanding. All I can see, is that these names, which you find detestable & demonic, are Hebrew words of God showing Himself in His fullness. But where we have God's compound Names (e.g. Jehovah-Jireh/Ropheka/Nissi/Shalom/Sabaoth/and others) these I will admit are Names that are given when Israel saw their God at Work in their presence but most certainly NOT Satan-inspired names. If anything is debatable or problematic, then we need to search for proof.
What matters and prevails is the Truth,GOD is Truth,and the Truth is only One,The Word Himself is GOD.
You just confirmed by quoting that in original source of Scriptures there is not Yahweh(see,Satan is behind this name,and in his devilish strategy he introduce himself in short as a demonic tetragram YHWH),but the point is also Jehovah,this is another name of the father of the Jews,the father of lie- John 8:44-says it be GOD's name.
But the Devil,father of the Jews,as my Lord JESUS said- John 8:44- father of the lie,he invented another names,you just brings more one fictitious name of GOD invented by the man of sin-the Devil-it is ADONAI,the Devil as a God.Those which invoke Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, Adonai.among other fictitious names given by Satan to my GOD,father of JESUS, in fact they are invoking the Devil, CAN YOU SEE? This miscellany/ hodgepodge of names invented by the Devil as if they were names of GOD is a satanic strategy to replace or to erase he NAME of JESUS. Now, the command of the Lord JESUS is to cast down the Devil from heaven to the bottomless pit, chaining him with a great chain. The dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan will be chained and threw into the bottomless pit, locked and sealed, so that he could not deceive the nations no more.
Exodus 6:2,3(KJV),CJB and Tanack:
The Word, GOD Himself, GOD in Person,He never said His name is Jehovah,and ADONAI,and YHWH,and Yahweh, among other names.In fact Satan invented the names trying to corrupt the Holy Scriptures, the true Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?You can see how the Devil, the father of the Jews, father of the lie,has corrupted the original Scriptures through corrupted translations,the Devil always corrupted the nation of Israel through his false prophets and with his idolatries and sorceries, and has also done the same within the Church of my Lord JESUS sowing his tares. The time now is of harvest. Get ready
So, I think you will notice the differences between the KJB & these other translations (even when looking at the 'modern' English translations). What are your thoughts on this?
Can we then say that Jehovah, Adonai, etc. are spurious, satanic names, or rather, it is how the translators have understood the texts & translated them. And not forgetting, to some Jews, the uttering of God's Name was forbidden (by breaking the 3rd Commandment, thus the use of HaShem in substitute).
When we have so many different renderings of these verses, I believe it is safer & wiser to state that the Name that God proclaimed to His people Israel ( Exodus 6:3: the proper personal Name given to those in a Covenant relationship with Him), was indeed Jehovah. And the other Names used of Him are also valid (which describe God's Nature & Work as manifested to Israel); used or not used for pure reasons & motives, and I believe, not for evil reasons.
Thank you Oseas, that was helpful to me & I did pursue research into what you shared. I first looked at the Complete Jewish Bible & then the Tanakh, and read Isaiah 12:1,2 as follows:
1. On that day you will say: "I thank you, ADONAI, because, although you were angry at me, your anger is now turned away; and you are comforting me.
2. See! God is my salvation. I am confident and unafraid; for Yah ADONAI is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation! (These verses are a little different to what you've given from the CJB & I wasn't able to easily find online a CJB that read exactly as yours).
Then in the Tanakh, Isaiah 12:1,2 reads:
1. And you shall say on that day, "I will thank You, O Lord, for You were wroth with me; may Your wrath turn away and may You comfort me.
2. Here is the God of my salvation, I shall trust and not fear; for the strength and praise of the Eternal the Lord was my salvation. (So in the Tanakh as well, even though the wording is different, you are correct, Yahweh is not given).
Now let's look at another example: Exodus 6:2,3 (KJV):
2. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3. And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
In the CJB:
2. God spoke to Moshe; he said to him, "I am ADONAI.
3. I appeared to Avraham, Yitz'chak and Ya'akov as El Shaddai, although I did not make myself known to them by my name, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI].
And in the Tanakh:
2. God spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord.
3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them. (you may want to re-check these against your readings).
PT. 2
To Moses, He says the same in Exodus 6:3
2 Sam. 7:26 says that The LORD Almighty is God over Israel. He is our God as well.
David speaks of resting in the shadow of the Almighty in Ps.91:1 WE, too, can rest in Him, as Jesus promised to give us rest when we come to Him.
Rev. 19:6 says the LORD God Almighty reigns. He is sovereign! He reigns far above all else. No one can rest His throne of glory from Him.
2 Chr. 32:7 says that the Israelites had a greater power with them than whom was against them.
His great power saves us. Ps. 20:6
Hosea 13:14 says that God has power to ransom His own from the power of the grave and death.
God's mighty power gave the Son the victory over death and the grave in raising Him from the dead to be alive evermore.
Luke 1:35 says to Mary that the power of the Most High will bring about the conception of the Holy One in her even as she is a virgin.
Rom. 1:20 says that God's power is eternal.
1 Cor. 1:24 says that Christ is the power of to those who are called. We do not have the power to save ourselves, but Jesus does.
And in 15:24 Paul says that God will put an end to all dominion. power, and authority after subduing every enemy, crushing them under the feet of Jesus.
Col. 2 :10 says that in Jesus is the head of all power and authority.
Heb. 7:16 says that Jesus had the power of an indestructible life.
How Great Is Our God, Great in Power, Great in Wonder, King of Heaven.
Happy holidays and stay safe everyone. Merry Christmas in CHRIST name.
December 5, 2023
Greetings in Christ JESUS
You said"God doesn't have a name like humans,say John,George, Michael..." .
Perfectly.Let us recapitulate what the Word reveals:In Exodus 3:14,when Moses wanted to know GOD's name,GOD said:I Am That I Am. In fact was not a name,for example,you are that you are,I am that I am. And GOD said unto Moses:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
So,for Moses specifically the I Am was GOD, His GOD.
Well,it is interesting to consider that the people of GOD in Egypt, Abraham's descendants,were all Egyptians by birth,including Moses, in fact they became a people familiarized with the idolatry of the Egyptians, the Apis ox, so in their journey through the desert, a golden calf came out from their heart as was a god for them.
And for the people of Israel as a whole, then the I Am introduce Himself as the GOD of them, Moses was instructed to preach for the people, saying:"...the Lord GOD of your fathers, the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Isaac,and the GOD of Jacob,hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations(of Israel).The Lord GOD of your fathers,the GOD of Abraham,of Isaac, and of Jacob,appeared unto me- Exodus 3:15-16.
And prophet Amos preached: For, lo, He that formeth the mountains,and createth the wind,and declareth unto man what is his thought,that maketh the morning darkness,and treadeth upon the high places of the earth,The Lord( Exodus 6:3),The GOD of hosts is His NAME.
By the way, YHWH,and Yahweh,Jehovah,Yehovah,Elohim,Adonai, HaShem,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah,these 10 names,rather, nicknames,are NAMES of the father and god of the Jews.Jn.8:44-45 combined with 2:Th2:3-4& Jn 5:43-47.Take a look.
Acts 4:11-12 say:11 JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation IN ANY OTHER:for there is none OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men-EXCEPT JESUS- whereby we must be saved.
Exodus 6:20 is part of the Old Testament in the Bible, and it mentions the genealogy of Moses and Aaron. The verse reads:
"Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years."
So, based on this verse, Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron, married his father's sister, Jochebed. This would indeed mean that Amram married his aunt, according to the genealogy described in the Bible. In the context of the time and the cultural norms of that era, such marriages were not uncommon. However, it's essential to interpret these historical accounts within their cultural and historical context.
In love...
Psalms 146:5,
James 1:5,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
Psalms 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Isaiah 26:4
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:
In this context, it is a strong word. In KJV you have what is right. Some creeds have their own printing presses and can therefore make / raise / shorten as they wish. This will be confusing for those who read it.
My experience is KJV is the best. Sometimes i hear readings from other publishers and the words are unfortunately mixed so that even if i read in my KJV there is total confusion. My advice to you is to read a translation that you drop and stumble upon the words / settings and the like. Only KJV :)
Hope the answer can help you. For the Bible is meant to have a word that is understandable. Jehovah is also used by the Witnesses. I have no prior knowledge there. But maybe someone else has? Know that they do not believe in the trinity between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Stay safe in Jesus name, love u in Christ. John 7:10_24
1John 4:1-20,
Genesis 41:8, Genesis 45:27, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 28:3, Exodus 35:12, Numbers 14:24, Deuteronomy 2:30, Deuteronomy 34:9, Joshua 5:1, Proverbs 18:14, Ezekiel 1:20, Romans 8:14-16, Haggi 1:14,
Isaiah 11:2,
Leviticus 20:27, Numbers 5:14,30,
Numbers 11:17,25,
Judges 9:23,
Hopefully these are helpful
"Then the LORD said unto Moses, Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh: for with a strong hand shall he let them go, and with a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
GOD is = GOD ALMIGHTY, Genesis 17:1, Genesis 28:3, Genesis 35:11, Genesis 48:3,
JEHOVAH, Exodus 6:3, FATHER : Matthew 23:9, Matthew 6:6-10, GOD of thy father, GOD of Abraham, GOD of Isaac, GOD of Jacob, Exodus 3:6,
Many times GOD is referred to by what HE has done: GOD that sees; Genesis 16:13, GOD that provides,
Hopefully this is helpful
Numbers 20:7-12, is a portion of the whole story & reason.
Let's look at the bigger picture:
Numbers 20:12, please note it says "Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore._._" , Please read Exodus, Moses' doubts: Exodus 3:11,13, Exodus 4:1,3,10,14, Exodus 4:24-26, Exodus 5:22, Exodus 6:12, Exodus 6:30, Exodus 14:11-15, Exodus 16:2-28, Exodus 17:2-7, Exodus 32:11-19,30,31,32,33, Exodus 33:1-3, Numbers 11:1-15, mercy ( Numbers 11:16-20,) Numbers 11:21-23, * Numbers 13, Numbers 13:30,31,32, * Numbers 14, very significant I believe, when they were supposed to take the promised land please read Numbers chapters 13 & 14, & notice: Numbers 13:30, Numbers 14:24, Numbers 14:22-23,
Psalms 95:6-11, note Psalms 95:10-11,
Hebrews 3:5-19, Luke 13:24, Mark 10:15,
Hopefully this is helpful
Given that the Genesis writer is generally accepted as being Moses (written between 1450 & 1410 BC), where he would have been given special grace to relate these events that he personally had not experienced, it could be that God was already showing him that 'special' connection to His people Israel, yet future, was already set in Adam & Eve.
Yet, would all those living pre-Moses (i.e. pre- Exodus 3:13,14), even know that 'special' Name? Exodus 6:3, says that the 'Name YHWH was not known to the patriarchs'. And yet we know that they were aware of it, like Abraham ( Genesis 15:7; Genesis 22:14), Jacob ( Genesis 27:20) & others knew that Name. But did they only know OF that Name but did not know Him fully, the full depth of understanding of the Name, YHWH? This debate probably still goes on. But when the children of Israel were in slavery in Egypt for over 400 years, that Name which should have been remembered & faithfully passed on, was forgotten, hence their need for an urgent reminder by Moses.
And "why should the Israelites listen to Moses & trust God?" There were four tokens of identification of this 'forgotten' God: the one of His Name ( Exodus 3:14, I AM: I've read that it is the inner meaning of YHWH - I Am the One Who Is); the one of the rod/serpent ( Exodus 4:1-5); the one of the leprous hand ( Exodus 4:6-8); & the one of the river of blood ( Exodus 4:9). I guess that any one or all of these signs should have confirmed Moses' call without any dispute & revealed to the Israelites unequivocally Who the One was Who had heard their cries & come to save them.
In the references you gave, we can understand & know the meaning of the various names given. In Genesis chapter 1, the author refers to God as 'God' (or, Elohim). Elohim, is a general name for the True God, as it can also be used to depict other gods (e.g. Genesis 31:30; Exodus 12:12), of angels ( Psalm 8:5), of men ( Psalm 82:6), of judges/rulers ( Exodus 21:6)). So, in relation to God's creative Work, the Name Elohim was given here. And of course, Elohim is also used of the True God elsewhere in the Bible, where creating is not signified (e.g. Genesis 35:7).
But in Genesis chapter 2 we see the use of the word, LORD (or, Yahweh), & this signifies a special revelation & a special relationship to Israel: 'Yahweh' means the active, self-existent One (as in Exodus 3:14, where the word is connected to the verb, 'to be') & also being Israel's Redeemer ( Exodus 6:6). So the use of the word, LORD, signifies this True God (Elohim) is not distant (as seen by His other Works), but is now revealed in a most personal way to Israel as LORD (Yahweh); hence combining the two words to read, LORD God. And from Genesis 2:2 onwards, this Name is used to signify the commencement of a personal interaction with His creation.
And when we read the word, 'Lord', this means 'master, lord, sovereign' (as in Genesis 15:2). Hence we can have a variety of combinations: God, LORD God, Lord God, each one depicting what the author has received from God that has to be revealed to the reader (chiefly, Israel in the OT references). And of interest, this God Who is a personal God, is also experienced in many ways in that relationship. Hence, we get compound Names of Yahweh, such Yahweh-Jireh (the God Who will see to it; or provides); Yahweh-Shalom (the God Who gives peace); & many other compound Names.
To find where each place it's located : (I just searched Jehovah in the search tab, on this site. It opens in top left of page when you tap the KJV Standard)
If you notice in Exodus 6:3, it's perfect how it explains HE appeared to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob as GOD ALMIGHTY, but JEHOVAH that name was not known to them. It's very interesting the way the Bible has the names of GOD, especially old testament. In Psalms 83:18, Most High over all the earth.
Hopefully that's helpful.
Being retired and still need to rest my aching back throughout the day. I bought a new laptop a little over a year ago and it has been so helpful as I have to pass time in my recliner so much. I was able to participate on this site and to search many topics of many sites to increase my knowledge of God's Word and work throughout history. Been quite fruitful for me. So, not being online much this past month or so has been a bummer. But I am thankful we were able to buy a new laptop.
I am filling journals with my findings and thoughts. That way, I can reference these when I wish to respond to someone's post here or speak with someone I know when we visit. i don't go out much because of covid and only meet with a few friends and family members. God has kept me well from viruses since March of 2020, which helps me control my asthma without exacerbations.
I am glad to see you back on the forum. There are a handful of folks we haven't heard from for a few weeks. You were one of them that I was wondering about. I have been praying for these posters and hope they come back to posting soon. I appreciate hearing their viewpoints and am helped by their contributions.
Be blessed today, Bro Dan.
Amen for the new laptop!
I enjoy your writings and responses here so much, way to go!
In this chapter, God speaks again to Moses. He explains to Moses that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew Him as Almighty God but not as YHWH (I AM WHO I AM). God reveals more of Himself with each name He gives of Himself to those He chooses to reveal it to for the purposes He wishes to accomplish in the lives of the people (person) He will work in and through. Here, God is saying that He is the same God that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew; that He is the same God going back to the beginning of time, and eternally before time, and eternally forward. With Moses' background, He may not have been taught by His Israelite parents and community growing up. His knowledge of God must have been rather sparse when he fled to Midian at age 40. His father in law, Jethro, was a priest of the Most High. Now Moses was meeting with God and given the name YHWH. Maybe God needed to assure Moses that He was Almighty God, Most High God, Elohim, YHWH as the Only True God. In a world of polytheism, Moses may have thought these names indicated different gods. But In this chapter, God is saying He is YHWH, also known as Almighty God, Most High, Elohim. Moses was learning about God as he went forward in the work God was charging him with. It goes to show us that we do not need to know much about God to turn to Him and be saved. He will lead us in our discovery of who He is and what He has done as we walk in faith and obedience. God explains how He will be the God of the Israelites and they will be His chosen people according to the covenant He made
The remainder of the chapter is a a genealogy showing Moses' descent from Levi. Also, I names the male descendants of Reuben, Simeon and Levi (Jacobs first three sons, born to Leah). These men were to be leaders as God leads the Israelites out of Egypt by His mighty hand go.and outstretched arm. He will strongarm Pharaoh into letting his people
Hope this helps.
Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,
Hebrews 13:17,
Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal (everlasting), that they might know thee (you) the only true God (* Psalm 83:18), and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast (you have) sent. ( Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:21-24; John 5:19; John 17:5)
*In the King James translation:
Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. ( John 4:24; Exodus 6:2,3)
Not so, KJV has accounts of "Jehovah" being used:
Psalms 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Isaiah 26:4
Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength: