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  • Wendell Briggs on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    Explain verse 25 & 26 why Moses's wife circumcision was done & why thrown at his feet?
  • Michael - In Reply on Romans 5 - 2 years ago
    Hello Dan,

    Thank you for taking the time to answer my 2 questions.

    1) You mention that the commandment at Leviticus 12:3 was a "suggestion". When the Law was give to Israel, they made a covenant between themselves and God. Please read Exodus 34:3-8. Notice specifically

    Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL THE WORDS of the LORD, and ALL THE JUDGMENTS: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."

    That does not sound like a "suggestion" but a command - an order. Jewish people have thus very meticulously made certain to circumcise their children. Moses was almost killed by the LORD because he had not circumcised his son. Please read Exodus 4:24-26. That seems to me that the LORD takes circumcision very, very seriously. In fact, in the first century, even believing Jews believed that a believer in the Messiah must be circumcised to be saved.

    Acts 15:1 "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED after the manner of Moses, YE CANNOT BE SAVED."

    2) You mention that the first century Church followed the 10 commandments.

    I do agree that they did follow 9 of those commandments. They are re-iterated in the New Testament or Covenant set up by Jesus through his blood mentioned at Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Luke 22:20. However, nowhere do the Apostles every tell the Church, in clear words, "remember to keep the sabbath". Could you provide me 1 verse where an apostle clearly says to keep the sabbath - that actual word "sabbath" being used? In fact, Paul says the opposite at Colossians 2:16 and Galatians 4:10.

    3) Now to answer your question. The apostles did not ever say that they obeyed the "10" commandments. They said that they obeyed the commandments. Those would be the commandments of the New Testament given by Jesus Christ through his Apostles via the letters of Romans to Revelation.

    I welcome your thoughts again.

    Good day to you, Dan.
  • Chris - In Reply on James 4:1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Merlinda. Many have wondered why Pharaoh & the Egyptians were treated so harshly by God, when prior to sending out the various plagues we often read that God had hardened Pharaoh's heart.

    We first see that Pharaoh was an evil man, a brutal dictator who also enslaved the Israelites with terrible abuse & oppression. As well, he believed that he was a god or at least, an intermediary to the pantheon of gods (even as the people considered the pharaohs) & there was none their equal. So Pharaoh could say, "Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go." ( Exodus 5:2). So Pharaoh's heart was already opposed & hardened towards the God Whom Moses & Aaron represented as we also see in some references: Exodus 7:22; 8:15,19,32; 9:7,34,35.

    So when we read that it was God Who hardened the Pharaoh's heart ( Exodus 4:21; 7:3; etc.), we have to conclude that indeed God did affect Pharaoh's heart against Him, but his heart was already hard & stubborn & God simply ensured that his heart would remain so during the time of affliction & punishment. God could well have done this to remind Pharaoh who this God of Moses was, the mightier works that He can do than what Pharaoh's magicians could do & how grossly wicked Pharaoh's acts were against the Israelites that warranted such stern punishment. Yet, God was still merciful in sparing the Egyptians lives, in spite of their suffering & loss of human life.

    What should have been a repentance & softening of Pharaoh's heart, remained hard & this hardness was then made harder by God proving His Power over the Egyptians & His Love for His people, Israel, to free them from tyranny. Romans 9:17: "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." cf Exodus 9:16.
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 21 - 2 years ago
    Hi Richard, I wonder whether you're referring to Exodus 4:10,11. These verses do seem to imply that God specifically creates some (in the womb) to have defective organs or other impediments. He is after all the Creator of all people & things & so has the right to do as He pleases. However, the question: why would God then create a new life with such physical or mental problems? Is it simply sufficient to say that 'He has every right to do so?"

    Apart from the above, I see two other aspects to this dilemma: we are all born in corrupt sinful flesh. Even though an embryo cannot be classed as one having committed any sin, its very state, being formed out of the seed of sinful man & woman, already consigns it to an existence (whether in the womb or outside), into a sinful state. And secondly, the Ways & Plans of God are unknown to us. We don't know how God uses such people so afflicted in various ways; whether to glorify Him, to lead them to Himself, or to touch other lives through their infirmity. We usually see the suffering of the one afflicted & ask 'why has God allowed this to happen'?, yet we remain ignorant to the Purposes of God in doing so & for the one afflicted to still return praises to Him in spite of it all.

    Here in Exodus chapter 4, we see Moses with a speech impediment; in John 9:1-3 (a man born blind); Mark 7:31-34 (deaf man & with a speech impediment); Acts 3:1-3 (lame man) are a few examples. Then we have babies born with disabilities from no fault of the parents, or maybe because of something ingested by the mother (e.g. Thalidomide when taken during pregnancy for anxiety & morning sickness). All these are the results from what we are as humans or what God has allowed for His Own reasons. What is more important is how we accept our lot in life, how we can be useful to others in some way, & whether through it we are reminded of our own weaknesses & sins & therefore run to the Saviour for spiritual healing & hope, & strength to live through each day.
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    A few weeks ago I had shared my understanding of this Scripture ( Exodus 4:24) to someone else, so I replicate that answer to you:

    "Yes, this is a difficult verse to place, given the context of the other verses around it. It is understood that God is now dealing with Moses on another issue. The first matter was about Moses giving excuses as to why he could not approach Pharaoh & speak God's Word to him. Moses eventually agreed to do it, given that Aaron would be his mouthpiece.

    Then in verse 24, we find that God had some reason for taking Moses' life. It wasn't about the former matter but about Moses' neglect in circumcising his son. It may be because of his marriage to the Midianitish woman, Zipporah, & some issue of circumcision had come up that caused him to overlook or refuse to do this act. There could have been other (negative) dealings by God on this family as well, which then compelled Zipporah to take matter into her own hands (so to speak) & do the circumcising herself. Whatever it was, God seemed appeased by Zipporah's actions, that which Moses had failed to perform."
  • Mountain Preacher on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    It is verses such as 24 that causes the unsaved to question the fairness of God.. Moses was doing what God had commanded yet God was going to kill him . I must admit it has me scratching my head .
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Yes, this is a difficult verse to place, given the context of the other verses around it. It is understood that God is now dealing with Moses on another issue. The first matter was about Moses giving excuses as to why he could not approach Pharaoh & speak God's Word to him. Moses eventually agreed to do it, given that Aaron would be his mouthpiece.

    Then in verse 24, we find that God had some reason for taking Moses' life. It wasn't about the former matter but about Moses' neglect in circumcising his son. It may be because of his marriage to the Midianitish woman, Zipporah, & some issue of circumcision had come up that caused him to overlook or refuse to do this act. There could have been other (negative) dealings by God on this family as well, which then compelled Zipporah to take matter into her own hands (so to speak) & do the circumcising herself. Whatever it was, God seemed appeased by Zipporah's actions, that which Moses had failed to perform.
  • Tom Wagner on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Exodus 4 verse 24.

    i do not understand it
  • BSP on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Verse 11: We often place limits on ourselves, but Jehovah God can equip us for any task that we need to accomplish.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 6:13 - 3 years ago
    Page 2.

    b. Actually, those missionaries involved in Bible Translation work can use the KJV in their projects. I'm familiar with the ministry of Wycliffe Bible Translators knowing a few (now, elderly) folk still involved in some way with their target people group. In many cases, where there is no script for them to work with, these translators have to also develop a script, along with learning the language - no easy task & a work that can go on for decades before the Word is produced in the tribes' language. So, in your example of a people group unfamiliar with 'snow or the feeling of cold', the translators have to develop another word or imagery that conveys the meaning. So, in fact, there would be Bibles produced for such folk that vary markedly from what we have now in English, simply because biblical Truths need to be conveyed to the sacrifice of the original, accurate words. So, Exodus 4:6 "leprous as snow" could be translated "a sickness turning your skin as the colour of the clouds". Or, Proverbs 25:13 "As the cold of snow in the time of harvest" could be translated "as a refreshing drink in summertime".
  • Emily on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Moses said that the Hebrews might not believe him that the LORD had appeared to him or wouldn't listen to him, just like some people won't listen or believe the Gospel.All we can do is pray for them.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 10 - 3 years ago
    Exodus 4:24-25

    Ecclesiastes 7:17
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Exodus 12:29 - 3 years ago
    I hope this helps.

    Exodus 3:19-20

    Exodus 4:21-23

    Proverbs 21:1
  • Evangelizing by Mishael on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    This place is so blessed to have many evangelists and old street preachers in here!! We have got stories to tell you can't even imagine. Miracles, healings, people being saved by Jesus! Big ole scary demons mad because we took someone off the fence of indecision and put them on a new walk with Jesus! I am so blessed.

    You have no idea how much fun it can be to reach out to the lost. The blessing of just following Jesus! The One who shows us how to do it right in the Gospels of our Bibles. You can never go wrong copying Jesus.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    It was my Grandmother's letters of love and forgiveness that went with me through the darkness of my young years. It was the one thing I had to hold onto.
  • Delia Lazo Ruiz - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    AMEN. So many verses, I am excited to see other people glorify our Savior Redeemer Jesus. By using the King James Version Bible means so much to me. Saved since 1979, I am grateful for the grace and mercy of Father upon my own life and the lives of my children and their childrens lives. I pray in the word of Father and pray for others also in the name of Jesus. Thank you for your comments.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    False Prophets and False Teachers have been around as long as the Bible has been.

    You should get a King James Bible with a large concordance and center of pages columns. Compare yours versus Gods Word. You are going to choose one over the other. I hope you choose right.

    Creation alone is enough to help you choose God; Jesus. If not, then you are reprobate in your convictions opposite of what you can see with your own eyes.

    Romans 1

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 FOR THIS CAUSE God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Do you really understand what Mormonism is?

    In their Doctrines and Covenants of the Mormon faith they teach that Jesus is the brother of Satan.

    Do you understand that means your savior is the brother of Satan.

    The Bible teaches Jesus created all things, including Satan in

    John 1:3 All things were made by (Jesus) him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Mormonism is a denial of the King James Bible since Jesus said:

    John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is FINISHED finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    Mormonism is another testament, another gospel so basically this means it was not finished as the work of Christ.

    Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    Ask yourself if this means Mormonism is cursed?

    Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel (MORONi) from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Do you really want to trust an angel named MORONi

    Do we really believe that Christianity was lost till Joseph Smith found some golden plates that no one knows where they are and an angel named MORONi visited him?

    Are you prepared to tell Jesus your savior that he is the brother of Satan?

    That is what Mormonism teaches. That the King James is full of errors and that they have another gospel.

    Please consider this carefully.

    Funny how the archaeologists of the USA can not find any traces of the Nephites or Lamenites civilizations Smith wrote about.
  • Paul - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Jesse

    I am direct sometimes too much so when I reply and I apologize for my being overly direct to you.

    I was raised in a Roman Catholic family of Italian decent.

    But I am a Mormon having chosen to be baptized into the Mormon faith at age 8 and adopted into Israel through faith in Christ.

    My family have moved from Catholic to Born Agains and hate Mormonism and I am commenting on a medium I believe does not accept Mormonism and I have had some negative replies but because of Mormonism, I understand the Bible more than most not of my faith and this because of the Book of Mormon and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    And my comments are influenced by what I know from study and will defend my faith for I have examined my faith.

    I like this King James Version of the Bible, which is a little different than what I am used to.

    For example, this version uses the upper and lower casing of LORD and Lord more often.

    I know I will suffer in Christ for my belief in Christ all the days of my life and I find it a joy and pleasure.

    My heart's desire is that my heart may be correct with Him.

    That I may be unto God a burnt offering and sweet savour in our Lord, Jesus Christ, for I have no other desire.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Paul,

    Please know that I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying here. It is indeed sad that Jesus who had no sin, would come and die for a world full of sin. It's also sad to know that people still continue to reject the love that Christ showed and the gift He has to offer to those who have the heart to receive that gift. Sad indeed!
  • Paul - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Jesse

    In the same Spirit of the apostles I say it's sad to know they took our God and hung Him on a tree saying, "others he saved himself he cannot."

    Peter declared, "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;"

    Stephen declared before his martyr, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

    "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:"

    Our Lord asked, " O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

    It is easier to sympathize for Judas saying it was scripted for him to betray our Lord?

    Why should Judas be damned when he only fulfilled prophecy?

    Have we sympathized to our Lord?

    Is it not sad that because of evil men our Lord was crucified?

    Or do we say, Oh well, it had to be that way?

    When the scriptures say God is merciful and longsuffering, we have no idea how longsuffering our God is regarding us.

    Would it not be an unbearable thought to find out an evil king commanded that every male infant from age 2 under be slaughtered because you or I was born?

    Do we sympathize with Judas? or our Lord?

    Our Lord came to save us from the Judas' who killed the prophets and resist the Holy Ghost.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Paul,

    If I can just add one thing to some already great answers, all the armies of the world could not have taken Christ. No earthly power could have taken Him. Jesus Christ came and freely gave Himself to the cross, fulfilling the purpose for which He came.
  • Will The Church Crawl Away and Shrivel - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    You need to take time in the Book of Acts. This is the Church, Jesus died for. He didn't disappear and leave them alone. Only until Pentecost. When that Mighty Rushing Wind came through the Upper Room, of The Promised Holy Spirit; the disciples were filled so full of His presence that they exploded in praise as the Tongues of Fire they were seeing lept around the room over their heads. It was more than glorious.

    The people in the street saw and heard the disciples. They were energized with indescribable joy. This is what Jesus had told to them! This was the fulfilling of promise. The church was up and aflame. It spilled out into the streets. The disciples were no longer afraid and doubting; barely hanging onto faith.

    We can have that. When we obey Jesus and do as he said at the end of the Book of John; we will experience that power and joy.

    I hear very little preached on FAITH very much. Jesus is still saving and healing people. Very few have a pulsating faith to reach out and take hold of Jesus. Does anyone know 10 healing scriptures by heart?

    We all need to ask Jesus for another refilling of the Holy Spirit. If you feel dry and lifeless, just ASK HIM! We need the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit. If we read and read and read the Bible and there is no outflow onto others; we're clogged.

    How do I know all this? I've rarely spoken on this. I know that the Holy Spirit does Home visitations. I experienced an event that is burned into my heart and brain and eyes. That's how I know the Holy Spirit is looking for those who will take Him at His Word. We are his disciples now.

    If all that happens is, in a chair railing and ranting against the Jews of Israel; not much is going to happen. The Jews are Jesus's personal business. He don't need your help.

    Don't dry up on the ground like a piece of toast, that the birds come and carry away.

    Be refilled with oil; be anointed by the Holy Spirit.
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    I don't believe that we can ever hold God responsible for birth defects or appearance of diseases such as cancers or deteriorating organ functions in adults. I realize that we enjoy blaming Satan for all our woes, but in fact that is not always the case. God created mankind perfect though man chose to go his own way being filled with pride so as to be like God. This fallen nature that we refer to as the sin nature, has corrupted every facet of our being: spirit, soul & body. And so death is the prospect of every living organism, & it may well come as a blessed relief to mankind so as to be released from this deterioration & ageing of our bodies. But the unsaved believes that death ends it all for them & so they should enjoy life to the fullest, whatever the cost.

    And yet, after a sinner receives God's Salvation, the new believer still remains in the body of corruption & suffer the same fate as any other. But the spirit of man is renewed (born again) that he might have his sins forgiven & have the hope of everlasting life with his Creator, that which the unsaved won't receive nor is it their desire. So we can also see that the same unsaved now could taunt the Saviour, "He saved others; Himself He cannot save", not realizing that it was for their sins that He came & gave His Life on the cross, but they would rather mock Him & God's provision of a sacrificial Lamb.

    God, in a moment, made for us the greatest payment that we could never hope to make. Man, for eternity, will suffer the consequences of his rejection of that payment.
  • Paul on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    Is God responsible for babies being born deaf, dumb, blind? or with other disabilities?

    I don't know. I believe the son's of perdition have much to do with the evils of this world, including birth defects.

    But this I know, Christ went about doing good and healed multitudes of people.

    If persons are born defected, Christ can heal them.

    It's sad to know they took our God and hung Him on a tree saying "others he saved but himself he cannot."

    When goodness is deliberately destroyed, we can only expect bad to happen.
  • Bianca Peterson on Exodus 4 - 3 years ago
    In verse 21 even though God knew that Pharaoh would harden his heart he still made sure that he received warning. This shows that God didn't want to destroy Pharaoh but he gave him time to change his thinking and ways.
  • John - In Reply on 1 Timothy 2:4 - 3 years ago
    2. The words 'Eternity', and 'forever' is a mistranslation that comes from the word 'aion' which means Age, or age abiding, age lasting, or into the ages, not eternity.

    If the word aion was translated to eternity every time its used in scripture, it might sound like it works for some verses, but if you consistantly translate it eternity there are many verses that would make no sense.

    Matthew 25:46

    And these will go away to eternal (age lasting) punishment, but the righteous to eternal (age lasting) life

    1 Corinthians 3:18

    If anyone thinks he is wise in this eternity (age), let him become a fool so that he may become wise.

    3. We don't have true 'Free will' to choose God

    There is the will of the flesh, and the will of Christ

    You either walk by the spirit, or you walk by the flesh.

    Ephesians 2:8-9

    For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    John 1:12-13

    But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

    So God is the one that allows us to believe in him, we get no credit. We cannot boast that we chose God because we didn't, he chose us. That verse plainly states that.

    So how can we say men will be subject to eternal damnation when God didn't allow them to believe in him? God is all loving right? And all powerful, so he has a system in place in which he will purify all men through fire, all will be saved.

    God Also hardened Pharaohs heart, which left Pharaoh with no free choice to let the people go. If man had free will; God could not override their will, but he does.

    Exodus 4:21

    And the Lord said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.
  • Chosen by Him - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 4 years ago
    Romans 9:20-24

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    God has already answered you in the Eternal Scriptures!
  • Job on Exodus 4 - 4 years ago
    11
    And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? I'll answer your question with another question Lord: Why you make the dumb, deaf and the blind?
  • Frank - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 4 years ago
    Jesus is the first born of God and the only begotten of God.


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