Hi Nath Oga: I understand that this kind of thing is very strong in the culture of your country. But God is an all powerful God and He can never be overcome by these people practicing demonic curses on you. However, if you want God to help you, you must be truly born again. You must have repented of your sins to Christ and Christ alone and that He is the only one you pray to and accept as your Sovereign God. No other persons must be prayed to or adored or worshiped. God and God alone. If you are born again through repentance by the divine blood of Jesus Christ and worship Him and Him alone, then He will fight this battle for you. If these people are saying curses over you then read scripture over them, not only scriptures of the power of God but also scripture of love and forgiveness. This is what the verses in Proverbs 25: 21-22 mean when we heap coals of fire on our enemies head. Do you understand that God is much greater and more powerful then these witches and warlocks? With God they have no power at all. If you have the Spirit of God in your life as a true believer these foolish people shouldn't even bother you. They have no power over you if you belong to God. I could give you tons of verses from God's true word, the King James 1611 Bible, that tell you this is so. I will give you a couple but it would be best if you searched some out for yourself. 2 Timothy 2:15.
Rebuke these people as Jesus did when the devil tried to tempt him while He was in the wilderness. Mathew 4: 1-11. Stand up to them with scripture but, also showing them love and kindness; the unconditional love of Christ. You do need to belong to Jesus for this to work for you. If you have become a new creature in CHRIST and CHRIST alone and God your Father and Jesus your Savior are the only ones you pray to then, be brave, be strong and trust God with your whole heart, soul and mind and He will send these demonic people out of your life and they will leave you alone.
So it appears Oseas, that you prefer to lean to your own extra-biblical beliefs rather than the pure unadulterated Word of God. I use God's Word, the Bible that we have in our hands, & in spite of that, you claim that those words are devilish. So who's in greater danger? For this reason, you continue to avoid my questions & incorrectly exegete from the Word of God, simply because your true colors will be revealed. So, in your warning to me, I would suggest that you seriously look at your claims against the Word of God, Jesus' Own Words, and not mine or anyone else's.
Jesus' accusation against the Jews & their father being the devil ( John 8:40-44) was because they refused to believe His Words & had set about to kill Him - nothing at all to do with the Names Jesus used and gave of God to the people (i.e. Names: God, Father, Lord). The Names of God in the Bible are true & valid Names (whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek), that God Himself revealed ( Exodus 6:3, Exodus 3:15), which those of the OT referred to, that Christ proclaimed, & spoke of & believed upon by His followers. Your agenda in this matter is dubious & malicious against the Holy Name of God & His Christ, when you say that the glorious Name of Yahweh, which was given to Israel, is of the devil.
And it's pointless referring to Isaiah 9:6 (if you're suggesting that Jesus (or the Word) is the Name of God - a matter you avoid clarifying), when many Scriptures throughout the NT show to us that the God of Heaven is still seated on the Throne, to Whom Jesus prayed, the people were pointed to, & to Whom Jesus ascended now seated at His right Hand. Please study the Scriptures fully, rightly dividing the Word, believing the Word, then we might have a true foundation for discussion.
Thanks for the clarification. If we already discussed this months or years ago I just don't remember, so thank you for explaining. I have a better idea of what you meant now. I'm glad you're a Christian.
My comment didn't have much to do with baptism but your comment did and it seems you were making a distinction between Matthew 28:19 and examples in the Bible where people were baptized. I would have to review to know what if anything was mentioned as being said.
I don't believe people have to believe in a Godhead to be saved. I think you were thinking that was a requirement. I don't believe this is a salvation issue, but just trying to understand the Bible and arrive at the truth. I believe that is the goal here.
You wrote: "Now in many churches, a person must believe in the Trinity for salvation, and if they do not confess the Trinity, they are not a Christian."
In the last 50 years or more I've attended many different Christian church denominations and I've never once heard of anyone saying you must believe in a trinity to be saved. Are you sure that is what someone said? This not what typical Christians believe. Can you give an example of what specific Christian church denomination and location or if it was just one person who said this?
I once went to a Calvary Chapel where the guy gave a sermon that said if you don't vote for Obama then you're not a Christian. But I knew enough to know that guy was wacko and his cult beliefs did not represent others in the calvary chapel or in Christianity. It's a common logical fallacy to generalize an entire group of people for one individuals actions or beliefs. What's ironic is Obama is a muslim and pro-abortion, which is a very anti-Christian belief.
But as for not believing Jesus is God. If John 1:1 said and the Word was NOT God, then I would find this belief more credible, but it says the opposite. Jesus is the Word: Revelation 19:13. He's also the I AM: John 8:58, Exodus 3:14.
Thank YOU LORD for the brethren on this platform and the wisdom they show in helping and bringing clarity to the discussions. Help us all to stand in YOUR Word and go forth planting and watering as we learn to praise and glorify YOU. May we continue to pray for the peace in Jerusalem and continue to look for YOUR coming. May our nation's leadership turn to CHRIST JESUS for wisdom and direction through HIS salvation.
Very well said. I like that you included Revelation 1:8. These are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. He says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending." Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. As it says here, it is the beginning of the alphabet, and the end of the alphabet.
It is interesting that if you've ever studied the Hebrew sages and their interest in the beginning and end of the alphabet, in between those two, you have all the letters you need to express and put things into words and communicate with. So, they put a lot of emphasis on the alphabet. God is said to be the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning of everything, and He is the end of everything.
But that's only one meaning. By using the first and last letters of the alphabet, it's also saying He's everything else in between. He's everything that you can put into words about creation and God. He's everything. He's at the beginning of everything, at the end of everything, and He's everything in between!
But then He repeats. After He says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, He adds the phrase the Almighty. Wait a minute. That's from God the Father up in Revelation 1:4. Now Jesus is saying it. Very interesting!
Jesus says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the one who is, and was, and is to come. I am the almighty. Literally in the Greek text, it's the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming. It's all one person!
To the Jews, that's a designation of God. It's an expanded paraphrase of the name of God that God gave to Moses back in Exodus 3:14. And so that's why when we go through the gospels, whenever Jesus would say to people I AM, and of course the translators of the bible put "he" in italics to complete the sentence, only Jesus wasn't saying a sentence. He wasn't saying I am He. He was saying the name of God, I AM!
Hello Friends, today I wish to keep the conflict in Israel/Gaza in my prayers especially ass it seems that things will escalate more over the next week. I pray that civilians in each area get to safety.
To continue in my study on Who God truly is I move on to "L" and meditate on God as being LIFE.
God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14 as "I AM WHO I AM" which speaks to His self-existence. He does not derive His existence from any other, nor did He ever begin to exist at any time, nor will He ever not exit. This is impossible for Him.
When He calls Himself "I AM, it is perhaps one of the profoundest statement we can know. HE IS!
He is clearly stating that He exists, o if, and, or buts about it. He has always existed, and will exist forever.
John 1:4 says that Life is in God. He is the source of all life. Because He is the Life. john 11:25 Jesus calls Himself the Resurrection and the Life. John 5:26 Jesus says that He has Life within Himself just as the Father has life within Himself. Thus saying that He is God , just as the Father is God. John 6:63 Jesus says that the Spirit gives life, affirming that the Spirit is God. And with these statements Jesus is saying that within the Godhead there are three who together gives life since they are Life itself. Nothing comes into existence without being created by God and it is He who give any creature life. In John 6:63.
God made us. Each person of the Godhead is involved in giving us life because they are Life itself, as Jesus says in John 14:6 when He says that He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Romans 5:10 speaks of how we are saved through the life of Christ. By the power of God's everlasting life, Jesus' body was resurrected from the dead and lives forever. This is how we receive salvation. Because He lives, we will live. And since all people ever created receive their natural life from God, those who are chosen by God to be saved, receive their spiritual life from God as well. see part 2
You said"God doesn't have a name like humans,say John,George, Michael..." .
Perfectly.Let us recapitulate what the Word reveals:In Exodus 3:14,when Moses wanted to know GOD's name,GOD said:I Am That I Am. In fact was not a name,for example,you are that you are,I am that I am. And GOD said unto Moses:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
So,for Moses specifically the I Am was GOD, His GOD.
Well,it is interesting to consider that the people of GOD in Egypt, Abraham's descendants,were all Egyptians by birth,including Moses, in fact they became a people familiarized with the idolatry of the Egyptians, the Apis ox, so in their journey through the desert, a golden calf came out from their heart as was a god for them.
And for the people of Israel as a whole, then the I Am introduce Himself as the GOD of them, Moses was instructed to preach for the people, saying:"...the Lord GOD of your fathers, the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Isaac,and the GOD of Jacob,hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations(of Israel).The Lord GOD of your fathers,the GOD of Abraham,of Isaac, and of Jacob,appeared unto me- Exodus 3:15-16.
And prophet Amos preached: For, lo, He that formeth the mountains,and createth the wind,and declareth unto man what is his thought,that maketh the morning darkness,and treadeth upon the high places of the earth,The Lord( Exodus 6:3),The GOD of hosts is His NAME.
By the way, YHWH,and Yahweh,Jehovah,Yehovah,Elohim,Adonai, HaShem,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah,these 10 names,rather, nicknames,are NAMES of the father and god of the Jews.Jn.8:44-45 combined with 2:Th2:3-4& Jn 5:43-47.Take a look.
Acts 4:11-12 say:11 JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation IN ANY OTHER:for there is none OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men-EXCEPT JESUS- whereby we must be saved.
YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: "LORD" ( Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) - strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles "LORD" (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, "Lord." The revelation of the name is given to Moses "I Am who I Am" ( Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance ( Psalm 107:13), forgiveness ( Psalm 25:11) and guidance ( Psalm 31:3).
YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" ( Genesis 22:14) - the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.
YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" ( Exodus 15:26) - "I am Jehovah who heals you" both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.
YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" ( Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.
YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" ( Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) - God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.
YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" ( Judges 6:24) - the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.
YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" ( Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) - a combination of God's unique name YHWH and the generic word for "God" signifying that He is the Lord who is God.
The resurrection made all things NEW, including your name.
Isaiah 62:2 ...... and thou shall be called by a new name ....
Revelation 2:17 ...and I will give him a white stone, and in that stone a NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth but he that RECEIVETH it.
Revelation 3:12 ...and i will write upon him my new name ...
If you don't YET know your new name, the word of God tells you what that name is.
You were married to Christ by his and your resurrection TOGETHER, the bride takes the name of her husband,
You were baptised in the NAME of Jesus.
There was only ONE BODY raised at the resurrection, and that ONE BODY was given LIFE by ONE SPIRIT.
1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW you are the body of Christ .....
Luke 8:11 .... the SEED is the WORD OF GOD .....
Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (YOU), saith the Lord, the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, shall not depart out of your (Christ is the WORD, the SEED) mouth, nor out of thy SEED (your born again by the WORD of GOD----you become SEED) nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED (your are going to bear fruit---SEED), saith the Lord, from henceforth (the resurrection) and forever.
You are the BODY OF CHRIST.
Revelation 19:16 And he had on his vesture and on his thigh (body) written, THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF KINGS
Revelation 19:13 ...and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD ....
Revelation 1:1 The REVELATION (the revealing) of Jesus Christ .....
Revelation 1:11 .... I AM .... the first (man) ....I AM .... the last (man)
Exodus 3:13 .... I AM that I AM .... I AM hath sent ME to YOU ....
John 17:22 ...and the GLORY that thou has given me, I have GIVEN THEM ....that they may be ONE as we are ONE ...
You were given a NEW NAME, a gift of GOD, by the death and resurrecting of CHRIST.
Hi Gizzmoo. When we see the word 'God', in Hebrew it is 'Elohim'. And this is a non-specific word, which applies generally to God ( Genesis 1:1), gods ( Genesis 35:2) & judges ( Exodus 21:6). But when the word 'LORD' is written, then it becomes a specific word, meaning 'Yahweh' (the Self-existent, Eternal God); and this is His Name, as was revealed to Moses ( Exodus 3:13-15).
When we see God's Name expressed differently (as well as several other names of God that reflect God's Person & Work), we can understand that the author of the Book, by the inspiration of God's Spirit, has chosen to name the God of Heaven (Elohim) and/or the God Who is the unchangeable & eternal One (Yahweh). Either way, it leaves us no doubt Who God is that the Bible speaks of & when 'elohim' is used in its other applications, we should understand those meanings as well & not confuse them with the True God.
As far as your second question, do you mean that as it is written, God "breathed into his (Adam's) nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" ( Genesis 2:7) but it is not written the same about animals, therefore where did they get the ability to breathe ( Genesis 1:20-25)? I suppose, the same could be said about the description of man & woman's creation in that chapter ( Genesis 1:26,27), that here also it hasn't been written that they received breath. So, I would say that it is understood that all living creatures did begin to breathe (whether sea, land or air animals), even as a greater description of man's creation is given in chapter 2 of him getting the 'Breath of God'.
"The GOD", in Old Testament, Exodus 3:6, is "elohiym" same word for Genesis 1, Genesis 9,
In Genesis 7, 'and the LORD' is "Yhvh" & Genesis 6,
You can click each scripture to read the translation words & click that into deeper study of words, for each name of GOD.
1John 4, 1John 4:16 ... 'GOD is love' ... Is translated from the Greek, "theos esti agape"
Yes, I believe in both situations it was a loving GOD that protected & stopped the wickedness, cruelty, etc.notice, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 18, Genesis 18:20,21,25,32, Genesis 19:4,9,
Hi karla. That's a good question & to add to the confusion, I'll throw in Numbers 10:29.
In Exodus 2:18, we read his name as Reuel & this means "friend of El (God)". This was very likely his given name.
In Exodus 3:1, Jethro (or, Yithro) is from the word, 'Yether', meaning 'his excellence'. So it seems that Jethro is the same person as Reuel, but Reuel was his given name & Jethro may have been a secondary name or honorific title that others might have called him by. As an example from the New Testament, we read of Simon who was also known as Peter ( Matthew 4:18); again known by two names (Simon, Luke 22:31; Peter, Matthew 8:14; Simon Peter, John 13:6).
Then in Numbers 10:29, some believe that Hobab is yet another name for Reuel/Jethro, adding to the confusion, and so several opinions have been given to interpret that 'anomaly'. However, I see it simply as: that Hobab was Reuel's (or Raguel's) son, as Raguel (Reuel) was Moses' father-in-law. This type of family tree descriptions can also be found in many other passages, including 1 Chronicles 5:14, Nehemiah 11:7.
Stephen, God's Holy Sacred Personal Name in the Hebrew tongue is YHVH. Pronounced Yah-Hey-VeH Which can be proved in Psalms a couple differ ways.
#1 Psalm 118 is not only the longest chapter in the Word of God, it is also the Hebrew alphabet (22 letters) in alphabetical order In which you will notice that there is no J, thus impossible to spell God's name JEHOVAH and, you will also notice that there is no W, thus impossible to spell God's name YAHWEY.
Gods NAME "YHVH" is held in the Acrostics in Hebrew manuscripts in the book of Esther 5 times four times forward as YHVH and one time backwards HVHY so we would get it and did we? No.
Most churches and Christians today call God by a wrong name which would be the equivalent of me calling you Steven when I know your name is Stephen. Would that insult you if I called you by a wrong name every time I spoke to you, of you or about you? Of course it would. Our emotions are the same emotions as our Creator. Also, God's name YHVH are in acrostics in the book of Psalms as well
Psalm 68:4 "Sing unto God, sing praises to His Name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by HIS NAME YAH" (not JAH) = there is no J in the Hebrew tongue, thus utterly impossible to spell any part of God's Sacred Name with a J
Psalm 96:11 In the Hebrew manuscripts in the first line "Let the heavens rejoice and the earth be glad" YHVH is an acrostic in that line and much, much more concerning God's Personal Sacred Name (YHVY) throughout the Word.
Along with what Baker says, there are many places in the Scriptures that speak a name for God that reveals an aspect of His Being. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. These are names of God, revealing Him as a Triune Being. So, Christians can call on the Father, or on the Son, Jesus, or on the Holy Spirit, We can call Him Adonai, El Shaddai, YHWH Jireh, etc. He hears us when we call on His name, whichever name best fits the purpose for us calling upon Him.
True God: ( 1 John 5:20) - This is a direct assertion that Jesus, being the true God, is not only divine, but is the Divine. Because the Bible says there is only one God, this is describing His nature as part of the triune God.
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The Son is called "God."
I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14) - When Jesus ascribed to Himself this title, the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy.
2 Pet. 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"
"our God and our Saviour"
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Hi Edward. Whenever you see LORD in caps, it refers only to God the Father and specifically to Yahweh (or, Jehovah). It is the Covenant Name of the God of Israel which He declared to them ( Exodus 3:14,15).
Hiya Marsha...Plz let me give ya this bit of information....When Moses was on the back side of the desert in Exodus 3:15....God tells Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to all Generations....And this was after that Abraham had already offered up his only son Issac and Moses knew this very well....But this speaks volumes of a Kingdom coming that wd be a Father Son and Grandson type of kingdom just like Abraham Issac and Jacob where the son wd be offered up resulting in the multiplication of that son that wd be as the stars of Heaven in multitude saving this whole world.
......I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven in multitudes... Genesis 22:17....Thus an Israel of God fathered by a Trinity.
......If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....An Israel of God that cannot sin...Simply b/c they are born of God.
.....Thus Abraham Issac and Jacob are truly a picture of the Godhead as a Trinity....3 Distinct beings but the 1 singular FATHER of Israel....And they became as the sands of the seas in multitudes....Just like Jesus is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven in multitudes....Thus the sower and his precious seed...The words of that New Covenant...The Book that he wrote with his own blood.
.......Marsha if you read Isaiah 11 :1 ....You will see Isaiah who lived approx. 200 yrs after Jesse David and Solomon had long Died....Is still using this Jesse, David and Solomon kingdom as a kingdom coming in the last days When God sets his hand a 2 nd time to recover the remnant of his ppl...In Isaiah 11:11 kjv....Isaiah was still using this Father Son and Granson language for a kingdom coming again the last day....That 2 nd coming ...God wd not let David the son build that great Temple....God wd only let Solomon the Granson build the temple....B/c Solomon is symbolic of the 3 rd person the H.G. THAT IS GONNA BUILD THE TEMPLE IN MANS HEARTS....A greater then Solomon is here Jesus said....I will give them a new heart and etc.
Yes, that is what the Hebrew says in Exodus 3:14, I will be what I will be, but in the very same verse, God says to tell the children of Israel I AM has sent me unto you. In Exodus 3:13, Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say unto me, What is His name? What shall I say unto them?
God's response was to tell them I AM has sent you. Jesus also claimed to be the I AM of the Old Testament. I do agree with you that there are so many different interpretations of who the I AM is. I'm not sure about 100, but if ours is different than those 100 scholars, I guess we can bump that number up to 102!
We'll Alex, Exodus 3:15 does not answer my question. Verses 13, 14, Ana 15 can be amen together and it's easy to see that God is not telling Moses His name is Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
I have read through your explanation and it still doesn't add up. I will leave off from this conversation as the things you are saying are very foreign to me and I would have to throw away many years of study and start from scratch to be able to come up with the same things you are sharing. Right now I believe the Lord is putting it on my heart to stay completely clear from these things.
And by the way, God does not have any grandchildren!
Jesse its Exodus 3:15....This is my name forever and my and my memorial to all generations....God is being very specific in that Abraham Issac and Jacob were 3 distinct beings...But the 1 singular Father of Israel...Moses is being sent to Israel...Just like the Godhead is three ....Father son and Granson (the H.G.) That heavenly Jacob....And just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas....So GOD will be multipliied as the stars of Heaven....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods many plural and the scripture cannot be broken....Do you not see the multiplication of Christs Seed is gonna be many Gods which is the H.G. plural many....As i will pour out of my SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH....Which is the gift of the H.G the Promise to all flesh....After the book is opened...They all sang a new song....We are not gonna sing this churchanity song much longer...gbu
Hi Mary. In your question, I see two different messages there.
a. In Exodus 3:13,14, Moses asks God what Name shall he give them, when they ask, "What is his name - this God of their fathers?" Here, God tells Moses to tell them that His Name is "I AM THAT I AM". I AM the Self-existent One, the same God Who was with your fathers.
b. Now the rest of your question is not found in the Bible, but some scholars(?) & rabbis take the word, LORD, as in Exodus 3:15 "The LORD God of your fathers" & refer to it particularly. In Hebrew, LORD is Yahweh (YHWH), & it is claimed (I believe erroneously), that YH & WH also constitute the breathing sounds when spoken. That is, YH is the sound/act of inhalation, & WH the sound/act of exhalation. And of course, this belief then develops into other absurdities, such as a baby's first cry being God's Name or even in human's natural breathing, we are speaking out God's Name.
So Mary, I would just stick to God's Word for all you need to know about our great God, His Name & His wonderful Works and leave off what the world tries to add to it, diluting it & suffocating it with nonsense. The LORD's Name can be spoken & praised using His Names given in the Bible & this is acceptable to Him (in whatever language) and not with some mystical meaningless thoughts added to it.
Thanks Alex. I got that reference ( Exodus 3:15). You may have missed my reply further up the thread when you mentioned that reference rather than the one I took as an example ( Exodus 4:5). So in that comment I gave to you, I mentioned that you changed what God said (I AM the God of Abraham, etc.) to My Name is Abraham, etc. I realize you gave your explanation as to why you believe God's Name is Abraham, etc., but you haven't explained why you've changed the wording & meaning. Just to support a belief doesn't warrant changing a verse to suit that belief. A belief must arise from the Word given & understood in its normal sense.
Dear Q & T. Your whole comment seems to be based on Exodus 3:14, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Until a clear understanding of "I AM THAT I AM" is had, your other developments of this "I AM", remains only a personal belief & opinion.
So what you suggest: "I am the king(dom) in you; I am the being of everybody; I am Abraham, etc, etc.", are simply the use of 'I AM" in other contexts, but avoids the meaning of "I AM" that God spoke about Himself & His Name. If God's Name (I AM) is applied to all & sundry, then we are all gods or equal standing with the Almighty. And I would certainly withstand such a heresy. If the "I AM" that God spoke is different to what you're suggesting, then the comments you made about it's wider application are irrelevant.
And just back to Romans 8:29: man was not "predestinated to become the image of Christ". Adam was made in the Image of God - he fell & that Image was marred by sin. Till the coming of Jesus, His Sacrifice & the reception of the Holy Spirit, no one has ever received the Image of Christ. Only those whom God foreknew who would come to the Cross in faith, did God plan for Christ's Image to be conformed to them (Gk. summorphos: to display a similar behavior from having the same essential nature). The world never receives this, nor will they ever receive that Image if they have not the Holy Spirit.
So, your use of "I AM" in those various ways you suggested and your understanding of Romans 8:29, I would disagree with. To suggest that God is/will be in everyone & all will be conformed to Christ's Image, is not my understanding of the Bible.
Thanks Alex. I simply used Exodus 4:5, in the absence of a Scripture from you. But I'll now refer to Exodus 3:15 which you gave, and that is, "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations?"
If we focus on this verse alone, I can somewhat see where you get the idea that God's Name is Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. Unfortunately, this verse doesn't stand alone; in most cases with Scripture we have to read around the verse addressed to learn the context & meaning. Remember when Moses spoke to God & said that when he goes to the children of Israel, they will ask him, "What is his name?" (v13). And God replies at verse 14, "I AM THAT I AM - I AM (hath sent me unto you)." This is God's Name.
Now to get to your type of 'trinity' (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, & then relating that to Father, Son & Grandson) shows an incorrect understanding of Exodus 3:13-15. I don't believe in the normal reading of these verses, that anyone would think of such an application & further developing into your beliefs. When God said, "this is my name forever", God was speaking about the Name he gave to Moses to give to Israel - which is I AM THAT I AM. But if one is compelled to force your interpretation to it, then God's Name is, "The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" - His Name is the LORD God, & not 'my Name IS Abraham, Isaac & Jacob'. So even here, you've taken out 'OF' & inserted 'IS'. So I see an important word change that you've made. And if you want to retain 'OF', then it equally makes no sense as God's Name.
Alex, please re-read that passage as given & not to support some variant theology that leads further away from Truth.
The word Elohim is plural, but the verb created is singular and if to support the triune God it should read Gods and there are not three Gods. That would be for another topic.
John 8:58 I am, I exist or existed before Abraham. Exodus 3:14 I AM THAT I AM if I remember, I will be what I will be, it is also close to God's name YHWH. I don't see tying these two together.
From our conversation which I have enjoyed, I do not see an agreement. The one thing about this doctrine, statement of faith whatever you call it I feel is wrong it has been placed above salvation that is in Jesus Christ only. If one does not believe it, it is heresy, you may feel it is. I have been told in more than one church. I hear the word used on this site. And there is not one scripture that says it, nor was it taught by any of the apostles.
In my opinion, it has been made law and it is like Acts 15 You must be circumcised to be saved. Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and God the Father has placed Him above all, and Jesus will reign until all enemies are put under His feet.
God the Father has turned all control to His Son that is what we see in Rev. 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Which is all-powerful, supreme, absolute, unlimited, invincible, until He turns it back over to the Father, Cor.15:25-28 Rev. 20:14
I honor the Son for what He gave up, lived in this flesh, what He suffered, and the blood He shed, was nailed to that cross. He was put in a tomb and three days later God the Father raised Him from the dead giving us the only chance of salvation and eternal life and nothing can be placed above that.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Rebuke these people as Jesus did when the devil tried to tempt him while He was in the wilderness. Mathew 4: 1-11. Stand up to them with scripture but, also showing them love and kindness; the unconditional love of Christ. You do need to belong to Jesus for this to work for you. If you have become a new creature in CHRIST and CHRIST alone and God your Father and Jesus your Savior are the only ones you pray to then, be brave, be strong and trust God with your whole heart, soul and mind and He will send these demonic people out of your life and they will leave you alone.
Luke 26:69/ Exodus 3:14.
Jesus' accusation against the Jews & their father being the devil ( John 8:40-44) was because they refused to believe His Words & had set about to kill Him - nothing at all to do with the Names Jesus used and gave of God to the people (i.e. Names: God, Father, Lord). The Names of God in the Bible are true & valid Names (whether in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek), that God Himself revealed ( Exodus 6:3, Exodus 3:15), which those of the OT referred to, that Christ proclaimed, & spoke of & believed upon by His followers. Your agenda in this matter is dubious & malicious against the Holy Name of God & His Christ, when you say that the glorious Name of Yahweh, which was given to Israel, is of the devil.
And it's pointless referring to Isaiah 9:6 (if you're suggesting that Jesus (or the Word) is the Name of God - a matter you avoid clarifying), when many Scriptures throughout the NT show to us that the God of Heaven is still seated on the Throne, to Whom Jesus prayed, the people were pointed to, & to Whom Jesus ascended now seated at His right Hand. Please study the Scriptures fully, rightly dividing the Word, believing the Word, then we might have a true foundation for discussion.
Thanks for the clarification. If we already discussed this months or years ago I just don't remember, so thank you for explaining. I have a better idea of what you meant now. I'm glad you're a Christian.
My comment didn't have much to do with baptism but your comment did and it seems you were making a distinction between Matthew 28:19 and examples in the Bible where people were baptized. I would have to review to know what if anything was mentioned as being said.
I don't believe people have to believe in a Godhead to be saved. I think you were thinking that was a requirement. I don't believe this is a salvation issue, but just trying to understand the Bible and arrive at the truth. I believe that is the goal here.
You wrote: "Now in many churches, a person must believe in the Trinity for salvation, and if they do not confess the Trinity, they are not a Christian."
In the last 50 years or more I've attended many different Christian church denominations and I've never once heard of anyone saying you must believe in a trinity to be saved. Are you sure that is what someone said? This not what typical Christians believe. Can you give an example of what specific Christian church denomination and location or if it was just one person who said this?
I once went to a Calvary Chapel where the guy gave a sermon that said if you don't vote for Obama then you're not a Christian. But I knew enough to know that guy was wacko and his cult beliefs did not represent others in the calvary chapel or in Christianity. It's a common logical fallacy to generalize an entire group of people for one individuals actions or beliefs. What's ironic is Obama is a muslim and pro-abortion, which is a very anti-Christian belief.
But as for not believing Jesus is God. If John 1:1 said and the Word was NOT God, then I would find this belief more credible, but it says the opposite. Jesus is the Word: Revelation 19:13. He's also the I AM: John 8:58, Exodus 3:14.
December 2, 2023
Very well said. I like that you included Revelation 1:8. These are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. He says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending." Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. As it says here, it is the beginning of the alphabet, and the end of the alphabet.
It is interesting that if you've ever studied the Hebrew sages and their interest in the beginning and end of the alphabet, in between those two, you have all the letters you need to express and put things into words and communicate with. So, they put a lot of emphasis on the alphabet. God is said to be the Alpha and Omega. He is the beginning of everything, and He is the end of everything.
But that's only one meaning. By using the first and last letters of the alphabet, it's also saying He's everything else in between. He's everything that you can put into words about creation and God. He's everything. He's at the beginning of everything, at the end of everything, and He's everything in between!
But then He repeats. After He says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, He adds the phrase the Almighty. Wait a minute. That's from God the Father up in Revelation 1:4. Now Jesus is saying it. Very interesting!
Jesus says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the one who is, and was, and is to come. I am the almighty. Literally in the Greek text, it's the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming. It's all one person!
To the Jews, that's a designation of God. It's an expanded paraphrase of the name of God that God gave to Moses back in Exodus 3:14. And so that's why when we go through the gospels, whenever Jesus would say to people I AM, and of course the translators of the bible put "he" in italics to complete the sentence, only Jesus wasn't saying a sentence. He wasn't saying I am He. He was saying the name of God, I AM!
God Bless
To continue in my study on Who God truly is I move on to "L" and meditate on God as being LIFE.
God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14 as "I AM WHO I AM" which speaks to His self-existence. He does not derive His existence from any other, nor did He ever begin to exist at any time, nor will He ever not exit. This is impossible for Him.
When He calls Himself "I AM, it is perhaps one of the profoundest statement we can know. HE IS!
He is clearly stating that He exists, o if, and, or buts about it. He has always existed, and will exist forever.
John 1:4 says that Life is in God. He is the source of all life. Because He is the Life. john 11:25 Jesus calls Himself the Resurrection and the Life. John 5:26 Jesus says that He has Life within Himself just as the Father has life within Himself. Thus saying that He is God , just as the Father is God. John 6:63 Jesus says that the Spirit gives life, affirming that the Spirit is God. And with these statements Jesus is saying that within the Godhead there are three who together gives life since they are Life itself. Nothing comes into existence without being created by God and it is He who give any creature life. In John 6:63.
God made us. Each person of the Godhead is involved in giving us life because they are Life itself, as Jesus says in John 14:6 when He says that He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Romans 5:10 speaks of how we are saved through the life of Christ. By the power of God's everlasting life, Jesus' body was resurrected from the dead and lives forever. This is how we receive salvation. Because He lives, we will live. And since all people ever created receive their natural life from God, those who are chosen by God to be saved, receive their spiritual life from God as well. see part 2
Greetings in Christ JESUS
You said"God doesn't have a name like humans,say John,George, Michael..." .
Perfectly.Let us recapitulate what the Word reveals:In Exodus 3:14,when Moses wanted to know GOD's name,GOD said:I Am That I Am. In fact was not a name,for example,you are that you are,I am that I am. And GOD said unto Moses:Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,I Am hath sent me unto you.
So,for Moses specifically the I Am was GOD, His GOD.
Well,it is interesting to consider that the people of GOD in Egypt, Abraham's descendants,were all Egyptians by birth,including Moses, in fact they became a people familiarized with the idolatry of the Egyptians, the Apis ox, so in their journey through the desert, a golden calf came out from their heart as was a god for them.
And for the people of Israel as a whole, then the I Am introduce Himself as the GOD of them, Moses was instructed to preach for the people, saying:"...the Lord GOD of your fathers, the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Isaac,and the GOD of Jacob,hath sent me unto you:this is my NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations(of Israel).The Lord GOD of your fathers,the GOD of Abraham,of Isaac, and of Jacob,appeared unto me- Exodus 3:15-16.
And prophet Amos preached: For, lo, He that formeth the mountains,and createth the wind,and declareth unto man what is his thought,that maketh the morning darkness,and treadeth upon the high places of the earth,The Lord( Exodus 6:3),The GOD of hosts is His NAME.
By the way, YHWH,and Yahweh,Jehovah,Yehovah,Elohim,Adonai, HaShem,Yahusha,YEHshia,YEHvah,these 10 names,rather, nicknames,are NAMES of the father and god of the Jews.Jn.8:44-45 combined with 2:Th2:3-4& Jn 5:43-47.Take a look.
Acts 4:11-12 say:11 JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.12 Neither is there salvation IN ANY OTHER:for there is none OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men-EXCEPT JESUS- whereby we must be saved.
Part 2.
YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: "LORD" ( Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) - strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles "LORD" (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, "Lord." The revelation of the name is given to Moses "I Am who I Am" ( Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance ( Psalm 107:13), forgiveness ( Psalm 25:11) and guidance ( Psalm 31:3).
YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" ( Genesis 22:14) - the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.
YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" ( Exodus 15:26) - "I am Jehovah who heals you" both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.
YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" ( Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.
YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" ( Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) - God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.
YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" ( Judges 6:24) - the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.
YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" ( Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) - a combination of God's unique name YHWH and the generic word for "God" signifying that He is the Lord who is God.
See Part 3.
God has given you a new name.
The resurrection made all things NEW, including your name.
Isaiah 62:2 ...... and thou shall be called by a new name ....
Revelation 2:17 ...and I will give him a white stone, and in that stone a NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth but he that RECEIVETH it.
Revelation 3:12 ...and i will write upon him my new name ...
If you don't YET know your new name, the word of God tells you what that name is.
You were married to Christ by his and your resurrection TOGETHER, the bride takes the name of her husband,
You were baptised in the NAME of Jesus.
There was only ONE BODY raised at the resurrection, and that ONE BODY was given LIFE by ONE SPIRIT.
1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW you are the body of Christ .....
Luke 8:11 .... the SEED is the WORD OF GOD .....
Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (YOU), saith the Lord, the words that I (the Father) have put in your (Christ's) mouth, shall not depart out of your (Christ is the WORD, the SEED) mouth, nor out of thy SEED (your born again by the WORD of GOD----you become SEED) nor out of the mouth of thy SEED'S SEED (your are going to bear fruit---SEED), saith the Lord, from henceforth (the resurrection) and forever.
You are the BODY OF CHRIST.
Revelation 19:16 And he had on his vesture and on his thigh (body) written, THE LORD OF LORDS AND THE KING OF KINGS
Revelation 19:13 ...and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD ....
Revelation 1:1 The REVELATION (the revealing) of Jesus Christ .....
Revelation 1:11 .... I AM .... the first (man) ....I AM .... the last (man)
Exodus 3:13 .... I AM that I AM .... I AM hath sent ME to YOU ....
John 17:22 ...and the GLORY that thou has given me, I have GIVEN THEM ....that they may be ONE as we are ONE ...
You were given a NEW NAME, a gift of GOD, by the death and resurrecting of CHRIST.
God bless you.
When we see God's Name expressed differently (as well as several other names of God that reflect God's Person & Work), we can understand that the author of the Book, by the inspiration of God's Spirit, has chosen to name the God of Heaven (Elohim) and/or the God Who is the unchangeable & eternal One (Yahweh). Either way, it leaves us no doubt Who God is that the Bible speaks of & when 'elohim' is used in its other applications, we should understand those meanings as well & not confuse them with the True God.
As far as your second question, do you mean that as it is written, God "breathed into his (Adam's) nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" ( Genesis 2:7) but it is not written the same about animals, therefore where did they get the ability to breathe ( Genesis 1:20-25)? I suppose, the same could be said about the description of man & woman's creation in that chapter ( Genesis 1:26,27), that here also it hasn't been written that they received breath. So, I would say that it is understood that all living creatures did begin to breathe (whether sea, land or air animals), even as a greater description of man's creation is given in chapter 2 of him getting the 'Breath of God'.
In Genesis 7, 'and the LORD' is "Yhvh" & Genesis 6,
You can click each scripture to read the translation words & click that into deeper study of words, for each name of GOD.
1John 4, 1John 4:16 ... 'GOD is love' ... Is translated from the Greek, "theos esti agape"
Yes, I believe in both situations it was a loving GOD that protected & stopped the wickedness, cruelty, etc.notice, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 18, Genesis 18:20,21,25,32, Genesis 19:4,9,
Revelation 18:5, Exodus 22:22-27, Proverbs 21:13, Job 24:38,
Matthew 25:31-46,
Hopefully these are helpful
In Exodus 2:18, we read his name as Reuel & this means "friend of El (God)". This was very likely his given name.
In Exodus 3:1, Jethro (or, Yithro) is from the word, 'Yether', meaning 'his excellence'. So it seems that Jethro is the same person as Reuel, but Reuel was his given name & Jethro may have been a secondary name or honorific title that others might have called him by. As an example from the New Testament, we read of Simon who was also known as Peter ( Matthew 4:18); again known by two names (Simon, Luke 22:31; Peter, Matthew 8:14; Simon Peter, John 13:6).
Then in Numbers 10:29, some believe that Hobab is yet another name for Reuel/Jethro, adding to the confusion, and so several opinions have been given to interpret that 'anomaly'. However, I see it simply as: that Hobab was Reuel's (or Raguel's) son, as Raguel (Reuel) was Moses' father-in-law. This type of family tree descriptions can also be found in many other passages, including 1 Chronicles 5:14, Nehemiah 11:7.
#1 Psalm 118 is not only the longest chapter in the Word of God, it is also the Hebrew alphabet (22 letters) in alphabetical order In which you will notice that there is no J, thus impossible to spell God's name JEHOVAH and, you will also notice that there is no W, thus impossible to spell God's name YAHWEY.
Gods NAME "YHVH" is held in the Acrostics in Hebrew manuscripts in the book of Esther 5 times four times forward as YHVH and one time backwards HVHY so we would get it and did we? No.
Most churches and Christians today call God by a wrong name which would be the equivalent of me calling you Steven when I know your name is Stephen. Would that insult you if I called you by a wrong name every time I spoke to you, of you or about you? Of course it would. Our emotions are the same emotions as our Creator. Also, God's name YHVH are in acrostics in the book of Psalms as well
Psalm 68:4 "Sing unto God, sing praises to His Name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by HIS NAME YAH" (not JAH) = there is no J in the Hebrew tongue, thus utterly impossible to spell any part of God's Sacred Name with a J
Psalm 96:11 In the Hebrew manuscripts in the first line "Let the heavens rejoice and the earth be glad" YHVH is an acrostic in that line and much, much more concerning God's Personal Sacred Name (YHVY) throughout the Word.
Along with what Baker says, there are many places in the Scriptures that speak a name for God that reveals an aspect of His Being. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. These are names of God, revealing Him as a Triune Being. So, Christians can call on the Father, or on the Son, Jesus, or on the Holy Spirit, We can call Him Adonai, El Shaddai, YHWH Jireh, etc. He hears us when we call on His name, whichever name best fits the purpose for us calling upon Him.
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." The Son is called "God."
I Am: ( John 8:58, with Exodus 3:14) - When Jesus ascribed to Himself this title, the Jews tried to stone Him for blasphemy.
2 Pet. 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"
"our God and our Saviour"
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Severe penalty for denying Jesus.
Matthew 10:22, 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
......I will multiply thy seed as the stars of Heaven in multitudes... Genesis 22:17....Thus an Israel of God fathered by a Trinity.
......If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....An Israel of God that cannot sin...Simply b/c they are born of God.
.....Thus Abraham Issac and Jacob are truly a picture of the Godhead as a Trinity....3 Distinct beings but the 1 singular FATHER of Israel....And they became as the sands of the seas in multitudes....Just like Jesus is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven in multitudes....Thus the sower and his precious seed...The words of that New Covenant...The Book that he wrote with his own blood.
.......Marsha if you read Isaiah 11 :1 ....You will see Isaiah who lived approx. 200 yrs after Jesse David and Solomon had long Died....Is still using this Jesse, David and Solomon kingdom as a kingdom coming in the last days When God sets his hand a 2 nd time to recover the remnant of his ppl...In Isaiah 11:11 kjv....Isaiah was still using this Father Son and Granson language for a kingdom coming again the last day....That 2 nd coming ...God wd not let David the son build that great Temple....God wd only let Solomon the Granson build the temple....B/c Solomon is symbolic of the 3 rd person the H.G. THAT IS GONNA BUILD THE TEMPLE IN MANS HEARTS....A greater then Solomon is here Jesus said....I will give them a new heart and etc.
Yes, that is what the Hebrew says in Exodus 3:14, I will be what I will be, but in the very same verse, God says to tell the children of Israel I AM has sent me unto you. In Exodus 3:13, Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say unto me, What is His name? What shall I say unto them?
God's response was to tell them I AM has sent you. Jesus also claimed to be the I AM of the Old Testament. I do agree with you that there are so many different interpretations of who the I AM is. I'm not sure about 100, but if ours is different than those 100 scholars, I guess we can bump that number up to 102!
I have read through your explanation and it still doesn't add up. I will leave off from this conversation as the things you are saying are very foreign to me and I would have to throw away many years of study and start from scratch to be able to come up with the same things you are sharing. Right now I believe the Lord is putting it on my heart to stay completely clear from these things.
And by the way, God does not have any grandchildren!
a. In Exodus 3:13,14, Moses asks God what Name shall he give them, when they ask, "What is his name - this God of their fathers?" Here, God tells Moses to tell them that His Name is "I AM THAT I AM". I AM the Self-existent One, the same God Who was with your fathers.
b. Now the rest of your question is not found in the Bible, but some scholars(?) & rabbis take the word, LORD, as in Exodus 3:15 "The LORD God of your fathers" & refer to it particularly. In Hebrew, LORD is Yahweh (YHWH), & it is claimed (I believe erroneously), that YH & WH also constitute the breathing sounds when spoken. That is, YH is the sound/act of inhalation, & WH the sound/act of exhalation. And of course, this belief then develops into other absurdities, such as a baby's first cry being God's Name or even in human's natural breathing, we are speaking out God's Name.
So Mary, I would just stick to God's Word for all you need to know about our great God, His Name & His wonderful Works and leave off what the world tries to add to it, diluting it & suffocating it with nonsense. The LORD's Name can be spoken & praised using His Names given in the Bible & this is acceptable to Him (in whatever language) and not with some mystical meaningless thoughts added to it.
So what you suggest: "I am the king(dom) in you; I am the being of everybody; I am Abraham, etc, etc.", are simply the use of 'I AM" in other contexts, but avoids the meaning of "I AM" that God spoke about Himself & His Name. If God's Name (I AM) is applied to all & sundry, then we are all gods or equal standing with the Almighty. And I would certainly withstand such a heresy. If the "I AM" that God spoke is different to what you're suggesting, then the comments you made about it's wider application are irrelevant.
And just back to Romans 8:29: man was not "predestinated to become the image of Christ". Adam was made in the Image of God - he fell & that Image was marred by sin. Till the coming of Jesus, His Sacrifice & the reception of the Holy Spirit, no one has ever received the Image of Christ. Only those whom God foreknew who would come to the Cross in faith, did God plan for Christ's Image to be conformed to them (Gk. summorphos: to display a similar behavior from having the same essential nature). The world never receives this, nor will they ever receive that Image if they have not the Holy Spirit.
So, your use of "I AM" in those various ways you suggested and your understanding of Romans 8:29, I would disagree with. To suggest that God is/will be in everyone & all will be conformed to Christ's Image, is not my understanding of the Bible.
If we focus on this verse alone, I can somewhat see where you get the idea that God's Name is Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. Unfortunately, this verse doesn't stand alone; in most cases with Scripture we have to read around the verse addressed to learn the context & meaning. Remember when Moses spoke to God & said that when he goes to the children of Israel, they will ask him, "What is his name?" (v13). And God replies at verse 14, "I AM THAT I AM - I AM (hath sent me unto you)." This is God's Name.
Now to get to your type of 'trinity' (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, & then relating that to Father, Son & Grandson) shows an incorrect understanding of Exodus 3:13-15. I don't believe in the normal reading of these verses, that anyone would think of such an application & further developing into your beliefs. When God said, "this is my name forever", God was speaking about the Name he gave to Moses to give to Israel - which is I AM THAT I AM. But if one is compelled to force your interpretation to it, then God's Name is, "The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" - His Name is the LORD God, & not 'my Name IS Abraham, Isaac & Jacob'. So even here, you've taken out 'OF' & inserted 'IS'. So I see an important word change that you've made. And if you want to retain 'OF', then it equally makes no sense as God's Name.
Alex, please re-read that passage as given & not to support some variant theology that leads further away from Truth.
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The word Elohim is plural, but the verb created is singular and if to support the triune God it should read Gods and there are not three Gods. That would be for another topic.
John 8:58 I am, I exist or existed before Abraham. Exodus 3:14 I AM THAT I AM if I remember, I will be what I will be, it is also close to God's name YHWH. I don't see tying these two together.
From our conversation which I have enjoyed, I do not see an agreement. The one thing about this doctrine, statement of faith whatever you call it I feel is wrong it has been placed above salvation that is in Jesus Christ only. If one does not believe it, it is heresy, you may feel it is. I have been told in more than one church. I hear the word used on this site. And there is not one scripture that says it, nor was it taught by any of the apostles.
In my opinion, it has been made law and it is like Acts 15 You must be circumcised to be saved. Jesus is the only begotten son of God, and God the Father has placed Him above all, and Jesus will reign until all enemies are put under His feet.
God the Father has turned all control to His Son that is what we see in Rev. 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Which is all-powerful, supreme, absolute, unlimited, invincible, until He turns it back over to the Father, Cor.15:25-28 Rev. 20:14
I honor the Son for what He gave up, lived in this flesh, what He suffered, and the blood He shed, was nailed to that cross. He was put in a tomb and three days later God the Father raised Him from the dead giving us the only chance of salvation and eternal life and nothing can be placed above that.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God bless,
RLW