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Exodus 19 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 3
    Page 2.

    Fourthly, the Ten Commandments were given to Israel & were binding upon them. Some of their objectives were:

    a. to reveal the Holiness of the Eternal God to His people, Israel: Leviticus 19:2; Leviticus 20:7-8.

    b. to set Israel apart as distinct from all the other nations: Exodus 19:5.

    c. to reveal man's sinfulness: Galatians 3:19. Although the Law is "holy, just & good ( Romans 7:12), it did not provide salvation for the nation of Israel; and it cannot provide salvation to anyone who wants to or tries to keep the Law. No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin ( Romans 3:20; Acts 13:38-39).

    d. to show to humanity that not one person can fully keep the Law but everyone falls short of God's Standard of Holiness. Realizing that, should cause us to cast ourselves upon a Merciful God for His Forgiveness. When Jesus came, He fulfilled the requirements of the Law completely and by His death fully paid the penalty for their breaking it ( Galatians 3:24; Romans 10:4). Therefore, by His Obedience, He was qualified to be the accepted Sacrifice for all mankind, for all of our sins ( Hebrews 10:10-12). If Jesus failed in fully keeping the Law, He would have been disqualified as a Savior - all mankind would be forever stuck in the quagmire of their sins & hell would be the destiny. But He was raised from the dead to show His Father's acceptance, our justification & deliverance ( Romans 4:23-25).

    I hope you can see Ani, that even though there was nothing wrong with the Law, even keeping the Sabbath by Israel, anyone who puts themselves under the Law (i.e. to find forgiveness or acceptance by God by it), is doomed to fail. Our Rest - continual rest (Sabbath) is now found in Jesus & not in Law-keeping & we can only be subject now to the Holy Spirit who enables us to fulfil both the spirit of the Law & finding the true rest in Christ Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Romans 8:1-4).
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Paul.

    You claim that Exodus 33:11 and Exodus 33:20 is a contradiction.

    Exodus 33:9-20. And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the CLOUDY PILLAR DESCENDED, AND STOOD AT THE DOOR OF THE TABERNACLE, AND THE LORD TALKED WITH MOSES.

    Paul I believe what is mentioned here is the Lord spoke to Moses "DIRECTLY" as a man speaks to his friend. He spoke to him from the cloudy pillar. Moses never saw his face. They interact as friends as Abraham interacted with the Lords angel in Genesis 18.

    I believe the emphasis in verse 11 is on the Lord spoke to Moses as a friend and directly.

    The children of Israel also saw the Cloudy pillar at the door as they did in Exodus 19:18 and Exodus 20:18-19. but they didn't speak to the Lord as Moses did.

    AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAW THE CLOUDY PILLAR STAND AT THE TABERNACLE DOOR: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door.

    And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

    Verses 17-20. And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

    And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

    And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

    And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

    There's no contradiction here.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Psalms 143
    Psalms 144,

    Psalms 144:5,6, see: Exodus 19:10-20,

    Psalms 144:7, many times GOD parted the waters, rivers, even a Sea, to deliver HIS children: Exodus 14:21-31, Joshua 3:13-17,

    Psalms 144:11-15, could be reference to many battles David faced in: 1Samuel, 2Samuel, 1Chronicles,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Why The Ten Commandments result in Happiness - in Reply
    I'm 71, and 36 years a Christian. I believe the age of accountability is when a child exhibits knowledge of Good and Evil, also what's truth and what is a Lie.

    Deuteronomy 11-12, teaches what God expects of parenting and teaching Your Own Children. His teaching is ABOVE Public Schools. SCHOOLS TODAY will not teach morals or Godly Principles. It is the parent(s) responsibility. Write that scripture reference inside the cover of your Bible. Also, Exodus 19:5; Ten Commandments from Exodus 20:1-17

    In my household with my son, we had all of the above teaching. Punishment for bad behavior, I called it "misdemeanors or felonies". Lying and getting caught or scaring me to death, was a felony= a non-violent spanking. NEVER administered in anger!

    Misdemeanors resulted in loss of some favorite toys for a period of time. They were locked up. This was usually for not completing homework from school. Cleaning his room.

    The deal was: "if you do it as I asked you to do, I will never invade your space". He had to learn privacy is not learned. It is EARNED.

    Lying was not tolerated. I told him if you are truthful with me, no matter what, I will forgive you. He's 45 now, and he teaches his son exactly as he was taught from me.

    It gives me deep gratefulness to live this. Gods Word will live on and be carried forward into the future in our children; if we teach it as God told us to. Oprah and Dr Phil DO NOT teach this.

    The 10 Commandments are not suggestions. If we ignore them, we will have difficult lives.

    Mishael
  • Charrisse Thompson - in Reply on Isaiah 58
    Continued Hebrews 4

    The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;

    Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10

    Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden

    Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19

    Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed

    God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17

    Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8

    We are judged by them - James 2:12

    Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14
  • ELB - in Reply on Psalms 23
    Amen Sister Suze:

    Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a KINGDOM OF PRIEST, and a holy nation. These are the words ye shall speak to the children of Israel.

    God bless You!
  • GiGi again - in Reply
    Good Morning Steven,

    As one who lived after Christ and the preaching of the Gospel, I agree with your point of view in your post.

    In my post on Exodus 19 I was commenting from a viewpoint of these people who lived prior to our Savior's coming and the preaching of the gospel. Paul also says that the Law itself is holy, just, and good. Romans 7:12. But our sinful nature opposes what is given to us in God's holy, just, and good decrees, leading us to break these commands. Our rebellious sin brings death because our disobedience to the law condemns us. Even so, I believe that we should view the Law as Paul did, as a good thing given by God for his perfect purposes. It does not save us, but it does instruct us in what God's moral character is like and how perfect He is.

    In this account in Exodus YHWH displays His awesomeness to the Israelites. It results in terror among the people and they vow to follow what He asks of them. But we know that they will fail to do this again and again, just as we do the same. Through their time wandering in the desert and up to their captivity in Babylon and Assyria, the Israelites continued to turn away from God and return to Him repeatedly. Through this they could have learned of His love, mercy and forgiveness for them. But, as history reveals, the people became more focused on the requirements of law-keeping than on knowing and following God Who gave them the Law out of His goodness. Jesus addressed this issue often with the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and Priests. Their hearts were hardened and were unable to receive their promised Messiah and the salvation that He wrought for them.

    This event on and around Sinai has many lessons for us to learn. The Law(Sinai) reveals our sinfulness and inability to be perfect as God is perfect. It reveals our need for Savior. The condemnation of the Law on our sin drives us to seek Grace (Zion) where we can receive salvation-forgiveness of sins, right standing before God, and eternal life.
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    He does.

    1st through creation, our very breath, heartbeat, vision, taste, smell, every flower, tree, sunset, sunrise, the oxygen we breathe, every beautiful creature, every created thing. He made & gave us trust to keep it. Through HIS creation HE speaks to us. If we choose to listen. Through the seasons & sunrise, sunsets we see He is faithful. Through domestic animals we see HIS compassion. In life we see hope. All given by GOD!

    2nd His WORD the Bible, is GOD speaking through HIS people, 2Timothy 3:16, to us, all that are willing to read it.

    3rd GOD has spoken through HIS Prophets: Jeremiah 7:25, & HIS people

    4th Through JESUS The Messiah John 3:15-16,

    5th Through the HOLY Spirit that was promised by JESUS to all who believe: Ephesians 1:13, John 14:26, Luke 11:13,

    Sometimes in our most difficult moments in life we want GOD to speak to us outloud. In those times we need a quiet voice of comfort, which we can find in HIS WORD, in prayer, all around creation if we seek HIM. The voice of GOD recorded in scripture is like thunder, many accounts it makes those who've heard it tremble in fear. Exodus 19:9,16,18,19, Job 37:5, Psalms 77:18, John 12:28,29,

    I hope you will hear GOD more clearly

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Matthew 25
    It appears he's speaking to those who identified themselves as "children of Abraham" "under the Covenant" &/or self-righteous:

    Matthew 5:20, Matthew 7, Matthew 8:10,12, Matthew 23, Matthew 25:31-46, note also Matthew 23:34-36, * Matthew 21:23-46,

    Matthew 9:34, Matthew 11:12, Matthew 12:25, Matthew 13:57, Isaiah 53,

    Exodus 19:6, 1Samuel 13:13,14, 1Samuel 15:28,

    the promise made to David 2Samuel 7:12-17, 1Kings 9:5, 1Chronicles 22:9,10, 1Chronicles 28:7, Isaiah 9:7,

    1Samuel 13:13,14, 1Kings 11:11-14, the Bible has in the past shown how GOD will reject those who reject HIM.

    Psalms 22:18,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Homer Baker
    Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 19

    I believe all sinners & Christians go to paradise upon death, which has a gulf in the middle of it which cannot be crossed.

    A good side & a bad side, you go to one side or the other according to your believed.

    look up Lazzerth & the rich man. Praise GOD.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on 2 Chronicles 7
    Hi Dan.

    I'm not sure the emphasis is on Gods name.

    The emphasis is on Gods possession in his people.

    Exodus 4:22-23. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

    And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me:...

    Also:

    "Prophetic."

    Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

    They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: FOR I AM A FATHER TO ISRAEL, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jeremiah 31:8-9.

    Israel was to be set apart.

    Exodus 19:5.

    2 Chronicles 7:10-16. And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that the LORD had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people.

    Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.

    And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

    If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

    For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

    God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 3
    Hello Steise. Your first paragraph interested me & would seek clarification as to where you received that information. In my Hebrew Lexicon, 'Elohim' is a Masculine Noun; 'Shekinah' is a word not found in the Bible, neither associated with the Holy Spirit; and the 'Spirit' is a Feminine Noun, depicted as 'wind, breath, spirit', but 'Holy' is a Neuter Noun. In Greek, 'Spirit', is a Neuter Noun.

    'Shekinah' was first used by Jewish Rabbis in the inter-testamental period, to show to the people various aspects of God. E.g God's Presence amongst His people ( Exodus 19:16-18); the Glory of God in the Temple ( 2 Chronicles 7:1); & how God dwells in the mountain ( Psalm 68:16-18) but was never found or used from their Scriptures.

    But, you're correct, that 'wisdom' is a Feminine Noun, as nouns in Hebrew (& many other languages) were given a specific gender. Is my understanding incorrect with these words, in light of what you have stated & then further developed from them? If so, what reference are you using in sharing from the original languages?

    And yes, the Bible is full of mysteries that we may never fully understand this side of Heaven, but we should enjoy what we do know & subsequently learn to appreciate the Gems given to us. When our foundational Truths are clear, we can then confidently build upon them.
  • Richard H Priday on Isaiah 19
    This chapter discusses the humbling of Egypt but also puts hope into the future restoration of the Southern Kingdom with Assyria (mainly located to the north) which encompasses much of northern Iraq today. There can only be true peace with an individual and a nation when repentance occurs and the true God is worshipped. Such will be the case when they are ruled by a fierce king (verse 4). It appears that God will send a man of God to save Egypt after they call for help (verse 20). I believe that Heliopolis is the name of the "city of destruction" listed in verse 18. In any case; a true bond between the nations occurs after the Lord returns; when a highway between Assyria and Egypt occurs. Egypt is God's people and Assyria the work of God's hands. Only Israel is God's inheritance; his unique nation of which we are grafted into. Exodus 19:5 speaks of the status of a "special treasure" provided that His people remain obedient for Israel. As always; God begins His judgments with His own; whether it is judging the church first ( 1 Peter 4:17); or those of the original covenant promises. There will be some; although very few who survive through the whole coming Tribulation who will repopulate the earth; and other verses indicate specifically for Egypt that their survival is determined by obedient appearance before the Lord or there is "no rain" ( Zechariah 14:18). The droughts of the earth or man made blockade of the Nile clearly affect them as seen in verses 4-10; and of course such judgments will be worldwide during the seal and trumpet judgments; as well as those the two Prophets perform through the power of God at that time. It would appear that in some nations; there will be a larger remnant of true believers left than in others-ultimately; that will be largely determined by those who take the Mark of the Beast or refrain from it as to their final fate. The first group will be destroyed at the onset; the rest of the survivors will enter the Millennium.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 2
    Hi BMW.

    Part 6.

    EVIDENCE OF DIVINE CONCERN FOR THE GENTILES. Continued.

    (1) The practice of offering sacrifices as atonement, typically foreshadowing the coming of Jesus, apparently was a human requirement from the very commencement of history. Abel, son of Adam and Eve, brought the "firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof" ( Genesis 4:4). The offering must have been killed, otherwise he could not have presented the fat, which was the best part. Moreover, we are told that "righteous Abel" (so designated by Jesus [ Matthew 23:35]) offered his sacrifice "by faith" ( Hebrews 11:4), which, in the overall context of this chapter, clearly is an objective faith grounded in revelation, and not that which was subjectively whimsical.

    When Noah departed from the ark after the waters of the flood subsided, he built an altar and offered sacrifices of every clean animal and bird, and Jehovah was pleased with his offering ( Genesis 8:20-21). What compelled him to do such?

    Melchizedek, whom Abraham encountered on his return from the rescue of his nephew, was designated by Moses as a "priest of God Most High" ( Genesis 14:18). A priest is an appointed servant who officiates in the offering of sacrifices to atone for sin. The modernistic notion that Melchizedek was merely the "high god" priest of the Canaanites (e.g., Baal), worshipped in pre-Israelite Jerusalem, is absurd (Hicks 1962, 343). God would hardly have chosen a Baal-worshipper to be a type, prophetically previewing his Son ( Hebrews 7:3). See also Leupold (1942, 463).

    (2) The entire world population was one in kind prior to the call of Abraham. He was the first to be designated a Hebrew ( Genesis 14:13). The Hebrews were not set apart as a distinct people until the giving of the law of Moses ( Exodus 19:5-6; cf. Ephesians 2:14). It is wholly unrealistic not to recognize that God's love for the Gentiles was a part of the ancient world.

    See Part 7 of 7!
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Hi Wilma.

    I believe you are looking for Revelation 12:14. Those eagle wings is seen here in Exodus 19:4. and Isaiah 40:31.

    The fact that they're carried on eagles wings there is no need for protection from any nation. Their protection always came from the Lord and always will. Psalms 121:4-5.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Revelation 13
    Hi Wilma Smith,

    There is in Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    Some take prophecy and symbols like animals and put things together to fit theories about end times. Some put Great Britain and the United States. The Lion represents Great Britain, and the Eagle wings represent the United States of America. Bear means Russia, the leopard means Germany, the chief battle tank of Germany is the leopard tank (Panzer), and more.

    Like the wings in Revelation 12:14, you can see in Exodus 19:4, this may give a better understanding of the term used. This could not be referring to either America or airlift by the United States. It has a meaning of caring for the young (children), like what Jesus said in Matthew 23:37.

    There are seven-year periods for different things in the bible like seven-year Sabbath, seven years of plenty and then seven years of drought Joseph was given and more, but the seven years that have been placed at the end times is a theory, not in scripture. It is taken from Daniel 9:27 which in my understanding has been fulfilled. You will find only 3.5 years, 42 months, and 1260 days.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Hi Sabrina. The Hebrew word used in Exodus 19:3 is the same word used in 2 Kings 2:11 (when Elijah was caught up in a whirlwind to enter Heaven). And that word is 'a-lah', which means 'to go up, ascend, or climb'. So, it would correct to understand that both Moses & Elijah physically changed direction, one by walking up the mount to God & the other transported into Heaven to God. However, in both cases I would think that some degree of 'transfiguration' would have taken place; Moses' facial complexion changed/shone ( Exodus 34:29-35) and Elijah would have to receive a glorified body (i.e. with the corruption of flesh neutralized to enter Heaven) just as we would be changed at the Rapture ( 1 Corinthians 15:51-53).
  • Sabrina Yohn on Exodus 19
    In Exodus 19:3 The words used in translation is "went up" how do we determine if this is physically walking up the mountain, vs. being transfigured?
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Kathy,

    I would like to add to the truth Cait has given referencing Hebrews 12:18-23. For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

    And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

    (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

    And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

    BUT YE ARE COME UNTO MOUNT SION, AND UNTO THE CITY OF THE LIVING GOD, THE ( HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, ) and to an innumerable company of angels,

    To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

    Notice the contrast. In Exodus 19:10-12. THE LORD TELL MOSES TO SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE AND TELL THEM TO WASH THERE CLOTHES, and bring them the third day, and they still couldn't touch the border of the law given mountain!!

    In the Heavenly Jerusalem God don't wash garments, he gives new ones.

    Zechariah 2:10-13.

    Zechariah 3:1-9.

    Ephesians 4:20-24.

    Colossians 3:9-10.

    Parallel-

    Galatians 4:21-26. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

    But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: FOR THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    BUT JERUSALEM WHICH IS ABOVE IS FREE, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF US ALL.

    Romans 8:3-4.

    A general area to study in.

    Hopefully someone will add.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Exodus 19:11-12, please note: Exodus 19:16-25, Exodus 20:18-21, (Expdus 23:22-24, 31-33) , Exodus 24:1-3,7, Exodus 24:9-11, Exodus 24:12-18, Exodus 32:1-7, Exodus 32:8-11,13,14,15,19,21,22, Exodus 32:35, Exodus 33:5, Exodus 33:11-23, Exodus 34:6-7, Exodus 34:30, Exodus 40:34-35, Leviticus 10:1-2,3,

    Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,

    Hebrews 13:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.
  • Kathy on Exodus 19
    Why did God set boundaries for the people in Exodus 19:11-12. Only Aaron & Moses were permitted to be on it. We're they not worthy?
  • Amarin - in Reply
    This might explain why in Matthew 4 Christ was not tempted any day earlier than the 40 days and 40 nights because God is in control of all things. If Christ had been tempted earlier it would not clearly point to The Day of Atonement as a likely Day for the Return of Jesus Christ with Him defeating all of the evil of this world by obeying God's Words.

    Joel 2 describes the blowing of Trumpets on the Day that Christ returns on His Second Coming.

    Another ancient tradition is that Moses fasted for 40 days and 40 nights ( Exodus 34:28) before receiving God's Commandments at Mount Sinai. The tradition states Moses received the Commandments on the Day of Atonement. The blowing of trumpets in Exodus 19 and 20 is associated with at Mount Sinai at that time.

    So Christ was fasting during the same period as Moses, and Christ also stood with the Statutes, Laws, and Commandments of God on The Day of Atonement.

    Here are some possible ways the 7 Feasts might point to the Life of Christ:

    Spring Feasts (Fulfilled by Christ):

    1.Passover, Exodus 12:1-14 (Death of Christ)

    2.Feast of Unleavened Bread, Leviticus 23:6 (Christ was without any sin)

    3.Feast of FirstFruits, 23:10; Leviticus 23:9-14 (Resurrection of Christ)

    Fall Feasts (To Be Fulfilled by Christ in the future):

    4.Feast of Weeks / Pentecost, Leviticus 23: 16-21 (Holy Spirit indwelling in believers of Christ)

    5.Feast of Trumpets, Leviticus 23:23-25 [Rapture of believers of Christ; Second Exodus of 12 Tribes of Israel ( Jeremiah 31:7-11)]

    6.Day of Atonement, Leviticus 23: 26-32 (The Second Coming of Christ)

    7.Feast of Tabernacles, Leviticus 23:39-43 (Christ ruling in His New Kingdom for 1,000 years)
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} various washings on Hebrews 9
    Hebrews 9:10

    Precious friends, since God is "not the author of Confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33, Would He not "Have The Biblical Answer" to all The denominational Confusion {I found 10 'Different water baptismal traditions' today...}? Please Be Encouraged And Edified!

    Part 1

    {Borrowed from 12 baptisms "study"} ONE of Israel's various {divers} washings! Greek: Baptismos = Hebrews 9:10:

    4. Levitical priesthood baptism Exodus 29:4 Leviticus 8:6 Numbers 8:7. This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" Leviticus 21:21 }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

    9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25.

    a) Does this baptism "save" anyone Luke 7:29-30?

    b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

    b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" Exodus 19:6?

    b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

    b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? Matthew 4:24 Acts 5:16 cp Leviticus 21:21

    Semi - conclusion? God {has Not 10 baptismS Today, but ONLY} ONE Baptism = Confusion SOLVED! And "PEACE {Not Confusion} In ALL the churches!" 1 Corinthians 14:33 Amen? Link

    More questions - to be continued in Part 2
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} repent for remission - in Reply on John 3
    Part II OR: Baptism Of Repentance For The Remission Of sins?:

    God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

    (1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve 'Were Sent' to water baptize!

    The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

    A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25 John 18:35 Exodus 19:6 ) +

    B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16 )

    Prophecy/Law

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) From Things That Differ!:

    (2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

    Paul 'Was Not Sent' to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 Colossians 2:12 Galatians 3:27 Romans 6:3-4 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

    --------------------------------------------------

    Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God Saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

    Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

    Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

    More spiritual understanding of 'Prophecy vs MYSTERY':

    Link
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} on 1 Corinthians 12
    1 Corinthians 12:13 God's ONE Baptism for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE/Mystery:

    Precious friends, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

    God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

    (1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

    The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

    A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

    B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

    Prophecy/Law

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

    (2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

    Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

    Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the sinner "believes in CHRIST, that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

    Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

    Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

    Precious friends, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • Messenger - in Reply
    You are replying to a comment by "Rawlie"

    Hello Rawlie,

    Jesus learned prophecy from youth going to the temple with Joseph and Mary.

    and as he grew, his Heavenly Father took

    over from there.- John 4:24

    Jesus spoke the word of God. Just like

    Moses was given the tablets to relate

    back to Israel the words of God. John 1:1; Exodus 19:3
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply on Acts 4
    Precious Yunda, Please Be Encouraged/Edified in This Important "study" of three baptisms:

    God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

    (1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

    The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

    A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

    B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

    Prophecy/Law

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

    (2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

    Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

    Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

    Thus, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

    Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

    Precious friend, Yunda, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Precious Dan:

    " Mark 16:14-17 So, yes Jesus does confirm that we must believe and be baptized! Amen"

    God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided 'Shows water' is NOT Under God's GRACE, Today:

    (1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

    The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

    A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" {separate "study" IF you wish...} ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

    B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

    Prophecy/Law

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

    (2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

    Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) --------------------------------------------------

    Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

    So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

    Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! Amen?

    Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!"

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today?)
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Precious friend, Meaningful Questions: "does that mean I don't have to be baptized?...I don't want to do something just because everyone else does." This is A Very Good Point!

    Two things concerning "water baptized to be {or not to be} saved":

    (1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

    The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

    A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

    B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

    Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

    (2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST: Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

    Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

    -------------------------------

    Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

    So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

    Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! So, Meaningful Questions, we don't do it "Because Everyone Else is" {disobeying God, In Confusion?} Amen?

    Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

    More Relevant water baptism Discussion is here: Link
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Precious brother Chris. So glad you brought up: "'Law Administration' is difficult to comprehend when water baptism was not part of the Law to Israel (except concerning the priesthood as a ritual cleansing)." In regards to this, you may find the following "view of Israel's priesthood" Very Interesting - thanks for your careful/prayerful consideration:

    {Borrowed from my 12 baptisms "study"}: ONE of Israel's various washings! Greek: Baptismos = ( Hebrews 9:10):

    4. Levitical priesthood baptism ( Exodus 29:4) ( Leviticus 8:6) ( Numbers 8:7). This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" ( Leviticus 21:21) }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

    9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25).

    a) Does this baptism "save" anyone ( Luke 7:29-30?)?

    b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

    b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" ( Exodus 19:6!)?

    b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

    b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? ( Matthew 4:24) ( Acts 5:16) compare: ( Leviticus 21:21)

    More questions - to be continued


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