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  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Judges 17 - 1 year ago
    I agree with the comment on the intention of the cross. The Catholics; in particular like to venerate the cross as an image of perpetual suffering as though Christ is still suffering; rather than it being finished at Calvary. They also somehow thing they can suffer as Christ did because of the whole concept of the "stigmata" or so called marks of those suffering wounds as Christ did.

    Viewed as the scripture stated in the book of Numbers 21:8-9; there was a foreshadowing of Christ on the cross taking on the curse to heal the people. Galatians 3:13 repeats the verse in Deuteronomy 21 about anyone being "cursed" who hangs on a tree.

    The bigger problem is the depictions of Christ on the cross or any other imagery as He is God in the flesh; i.e. part of the Godhead. The O.T. made it clear that we were not to make an image of anything to represent God.

    We also need to realize that the Resurrection accomplished the victory over death; which was also needed so that Christ could be the first of the firstfruits; so to speak. He now is acting as our High Priest in heaven as the Book of Hebrews indicates; "ever interceding for us". ( Heb. 7:25). Christ is part of the eternal Godhead. Hence; He had to overcome even death. The victory occured at the moment he died when He said "it is finished". As soon as He passed from this earth; His soul went to the underworld to preach to those souls in Sheol; and to set the captives free. He created the heaven and earth hence hell had no suffering or hold on Him as some suggest. The souls of the rightous were freed from Sheol; and in fact many came out of their graves and appeared to the many after He rose from the dead. They would have been Resurrected to heaven at that time as part of the firstfruits as I see it; but it was only some that rose; others will be yet future.

    As long as the whole counsel of scripture guides us a cross I believe is ok; it is when we idolize the image we get into trouble.

    Agape.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 20 - 1 year ago
    Marie Francis,

    In Luke 9:60, Jesus said, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

    He wouldn't even let him bury his father. That is kind of tough! Well, we know from the scriptures, in Deuteronomy 21:23, it tells us that once a person died, they had to be buried before sunset, on the day of the death.



    So if this man's father had already died, he would not be out listening to the teachings of Jesus. He would be attending the funeral and burying his father.



    But rather, as Matthew's account tells us, that the phrase itself in the Greek text represents the Hebraism, that basically it says "let me go back until my father dies so I get my inheritance."



    You see, in those days you stayed around the house. And when the father died, then you took over. You took over the business, and you took over the estate.



    And what he is saying is "I'm really not free to leave. I have got some financial interests that I cannot leave. You see if I leave now, I leave all my inheritance, and so I can't do that!"



    Please notice what's happening here. Jesus is fixed towards Jerusalem. He is telling the disciples that you get fixed on Jesus and you follow Him.

    But look at all the things that challenge that relationship. You have got conveniences. It's like, "Gee, I have waited my whole life to get the inheritance from my father, and now Jesus is asking me to follow Him, and if I do I am going to lose all that inheritance."

    Yup! Let the spiritual dead bury their own dead. You go preach the Kingdom.
  • Anthony Mazio - In Reply - 1 year ago
    'There is more Scripture objectively condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy.

    1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

    2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

    3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

    4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

    5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

    6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

    7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

    8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

    9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

    10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.

    11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

    12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

    13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

    14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

    15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.

    16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord's anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

    17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

    18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

    19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

    20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.

    21) Proverbs 23:29-30 -
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Exodus 23:7, Deuteronomy 19:10, Deuteronomy 19:13, Deuteronomy 21:9 "So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the Lord." 2Kings 24:4,

    Deuteronomy 27:25 "cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person; and all the people shall say, Amen"

    Psalms 10:4,8, Psalms 106:33-48,

    Proverbs 6:16-17 "These sixe things doeth the Lord hate; yea seven are an abomination unto him: A proud looke, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood" .._

    Jeremiah 22:3, Jeremiah 2:34, Jeremiah 19:5,

    Joel 3:19,

    Hopefully these help.
  • Marke on Deuteronomy 22 - 1 year ago
    Deuteronomy 21:22

    And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

    Deuteronomy 22:26

    But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

    What sins are worthy of eternal death in the lake of fire? Only one that I am aware of and that is rejecting the truth God has revealed to the sinner's heart by the Holy Spirit.

    Hebrews 10:29

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
  • Marke on Deuteronomy 21 - 1 year ago
    God makes a distinction between sins worthy of death and sins not worthy of death.

    Deuteronomy 21:18-22

    18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

    22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

    23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Dr Michael.

    Perhaps this is what you're looking for:

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21. If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

    Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

    And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

    And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
  • Chris - In Reply on 1 John 5 - 3 years ago
    This has always been an intriguing portion of Scripture, as the Apostle does not give a lot of information for us to formulate a proper understanding. So in that respect, your pastors are correct, by giving you their different perceptions.

    So my thoughts are: did the Apostle have an OT Scripture in mind when he penned these words. I refer you to Deuteronomy 21:22, "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree...". My sense of this 1 John portion, is that John's focus is on PRAYER, rather than the sin. He begins this subject from 5:14, giving us confidence that God will hear & answer our prayers if we don't ask amiss but according to His Will.

    Then John goes on to give an example (v16) of a brother committing sin which does not lead to death. If the Deuteronomy passage is referred to, then we see a sin (crime) against both God's Laws & the Law of the Land. The Deuteronomy account shows a rebellious, gluttonous & drunkard son, who for his crime, was taken to the Elders & was subsequently put to death. And that 'sin' was worthy of the death sentence under God's Laws, & to John's readers, who were under Roman Law as well, were also subject to civil law.

    So, what if a brother then offends in that civil law, which might also affect God's Law, is the offence committed worthy of the death penalty? If not, then prayer may be offered on his behalf for God's forgiveness & for the brother's release from civil prison. But if the brother has sinned which is deserving of the death penalty, then the full force of God's Law & civil law stands. One cannot assume that this was a premeditated crime (can a true Christian even embark on such sins?); it could have been accidental/unintentional, yet determined as intentional, thus bringing on the legal requirement. As also for blasphemy & partaking of the Lord's Supper unworthily as sins - it is futile to pray for all such situations.
  • TheLordIsHere - In Reply on Ezra 9 - 3 years ago
    So who did Esther marry? Boaz? You err not knowing the scriptures, you understand through the lusts of your flesh.

    You want to explain these statutes? Leviticus 22:10-13, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, & Deuteronomy 23:7-8

    I think you have not read yet 2 Ezra which is 2 Esdras in the apocrypha. After reading Ezra, 1 Esdras, and Esther (both books and in order) then you need to read 2 Esdras. God did not answer them, he was not with them, he never responded to Nehemiah's cry for Him to come and dwell with them, yet there was no answer. They were never saved from captivity by going back to the land trying to rebuild a house to the Lord. They rebelled against his captivity and he tells Ezra to tell the people there that they need to go their way (2 Esdras 1:4-9). They thought the burden of the Lord (the reason he didn't come) was because of the stranger wives ( Jeremiah 23:25-40 & Lamentations 2:14). So they put them and their children away. They were wrong. Listen to the prophets he proclaimed came from him (2 Esdras 1:38-39). 2 Esdras 2:1-17, 2 Esdras 2:33-48, 2 Esdras 3:23-4:2, 2 Esdras 5:16-19, 2 Esdras 6:57-59, Psalm 127:1. Either be in captivity still or seek the Lord with all your heart and soul and He will release unto you the wisdom and understanding of His word through your spirit. 2 Chronicles 6:29-33, Ezekiel 47:21-33, Isaiah 56:1-8, etc. etc. there is so much more... Christ comes in the full volume of the book, do not add nor take away. Cherry picking scriptures is of the false teachers who have come to deceive and the Word of God is not in them.
  • D.J. - In Reply on Revelation 7:9 - 3 years ago
    Kim Burrow

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    Paul also wrote that "the Law is not of faith: But the man that doeth them shall live in them" ( Galatians 10:12); quoted from Leviticus 18:5. And Paul immediately reminds us that "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" ( Galatians 10:13) quoted from Deuteronomy 21:23. Those that hang on trees have transgressed the Law. Paul uses two passages from the Law to show us that we cannot live without the Law?

    James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    The words of Jesus confirm the 10 Commandments found in the books of the LAW, Exodus 20:1-17, Luke 10:27.

    The only people that do not NEED the Law are those that are not sinning. No matter how righteous we may think we are, we all sin every day and are made new (every day) through repentance and forgiveness.

    Just because we have been brought to Christ does not mean that we cannot fall away again.
  • Eaglesrock on 2 Kings 2 - 8 years ago
    What releases the double portion? When he asked for a double portion, Elisha was asking for an inheritance reserved for the eldest child. Deuteronomy 21:17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife, as the first born by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his fathers strenght. The right of the firstborn belongs to him. This verse describes the institution of the Law of the first born. In other words, the eldest son was entitled, by inheritance, to a double portion. When he asked for a double portion, Elisha was not making a flippant request. He was asking as a son, because he considered Elijah a father! He was in the potion of a son, an as such, was entitled to a double portion from Elijah. There is no double portion without a father.
  • Biblereader on Galatians 3:13 - 10 years ago
    Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person �a curse,� it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.
  • George on Deuteronomy 22:5 - 10 years ago
    According to deuteronomy 21 vs 18 to 21, therefore, whosesoever will not obey the commandment of God in deut. 22 vs 5 is stubborn and rebelious . And such person will not inherit the kingdom of God.
  • Joe on Galatians 3 - 10 years ago
    Theo,
    It's from Deuteronomy 21:23
  • Morgana on Exodus 22:18 - 10 years ago
    <<<< The word of God is not debatable. If it is says let the witch die leave it just like that. May be if they start dying, it will send strong signalls to the rest of the witches and wizards to stop pestering innocent souls >>>>

    Perhaps if disobedient sons ( Deuteronomy 21:18-23) are stoned to death as the Bible commands, it will send a signal and the disobedient children of others will stop their disobedience.


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