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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Hi Chris,

    Part one.

    Thank you for continuing the discussion, I also tremble at His word we are just a spec compared to our God. Deuteronomy 18:15-19 This to me is fulfilled in John 1:1 the word of God in Jesus the Messiah. When Jesus was anointed the Messiah every word that Jesus said was the word of God the word of God in the flesh of His Son. Everything that was created was created by the word of God, not His Son. God said let there be, and it was.

    If we read Isaiah 66:1 we cannot imagine how large God can be. He can overwhelm all of what we can imagine. In my human mind, I see His Spirit cover the earth like a dome, omnipresent, it is like an electrical grid that believers plug into, I know that may sound weird.

    John 17 I will do my best to show my understanding, this is just before Jesus was going to be nailed to the cross. Verses 1-5 Jesus is praying to the Father about Himself, the Father is God, when we pray, we pray to our Father, and we relate to God as Father, through the Bible Father means God and Jesus said to His Father He is the only true God. In and through Jesus Christ we become sons and daughters of God, so we cry out Abba, Father, Galatians 4:6.

    Jesus said He had finished the work the Father had given to Him and Jesus glorified His Father on earth. Jesus is now ready to face death on the cross and fulfilling the law and the prophet's, all of what Scripture had said what He would become, and Jesus was ready to take His place on the right hand of His Father, Isaiah 53:12 Jeremiah 23:5-6 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Psalm 110:4 Psalm 16:10, these are just a few verses that Jesus would have known about Himself.

    In Daniel 7:13-14 Daniel had a prophetic vision of Jesus's ascension and God the Father giving His Son Jesus dominion and glory overall and giving Him the kingdom. God showed Daniel this was with God in the beginning, in God's plan but did not come to fruition until Jesus ascended in Acts 1:9.

    See part 2.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Rjgil4769.

    Genesis 12:2-3 is probably closest and the most popular.

    Some try to associate these two verses with the Church along with all the promises and blessings prophesied to Israel. and all the cursings to the Nation Israel.

    Antisemitism began in the early Church, as soon as Paul brought the Gospel to the Gentiles.

    Some saw the Jews as the Christ killers, even though for this cause he come into the world.

    ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and God blessed him!

    God blesses the Nation Israel because he is faithful and remembers the Abrahamic covenant that is associated with the Davidic covenant.

    A chosen people and a land here on earth is tied to those promises.

    When we bless Israel we enlists ourselves as one who believes God also.

    God brought Israel alive from a valley of dry bones and yet some say God is done with Israel.

    Here's just a few of many verses similar to the answer of your question.

    Zechariah 2:8-9.

    For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

    For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

    Zechariah 12:1-9.

    Zechariah 14:12.

    Psalms 122:6.

    The Lord also punished Nations that relished when Israel was being punished by God. Obadiah 1:8-14.

    Israel exists today because of promise not faithfulness to God.

    They being brought back to the land because of prophetic promises not obedience.

    2 Samuel 7:23-24.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 11 months ago
    OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENANT.

    Part 2.

    In part 1 I briefly gave a premillennialism view point and way of interpreting the Covenant promises.

    Here's the amillennial point of view is that the Davidic kingdom promised to David's posterity is not a rule over the house of Israel, but a spiritual rule over the saints fulfilled in Christ's present session at the right hand of God. Such an idea of course is not contained in the Davidic covenant as it is recorded in II Samuel 7, but it is asserted that later Scriptures give this interpretation. For this reason the implications of the provisions of the Davidic covenant can be determined only after ascertaining the interpretation placed upon this covenant by other Old Testament Scriptures. Then a further step must be taken of examining the New Testament treatment of the same subject. Though this can be done only briefly within the limits of our present discussion, some important facts can be cited which decisively determine the ultimate interpretation of the Davidic covenant.

    The covenant with David is not only given twice in its major content in

    2 Samuel 7 and I Chronicles 17 but it is also confirmed in Psalm 89.

    In this and other Old Testament references there is no allusion anywhere to the idea that these promises are to be understood in a spiritualized sense as referring to the church or to a reign of God in heaven.

    Rather, it is linked to the earth and to the seed of Israel, and to the land. According to Psalm 89:3-4. It is declared again in Psalms 89:28-34.

    It is promised that the seed will endure forever in spite of the specific problem of Israel's sins and departure from God. It is affirmed unalterably that God is going to fulfill His Word to David regardless of what his seed does.

    Sew Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 11 months ago
    EXAMINING THE COVENANTS.

    Part 1.

    2 Samuel 7:8-10.

    Today we see Israel in their land but there's no throne and there's definitely no peace.

    HERE'S HOW JEREMIAH DESCRIBES THAT DAY.

    Jeremiah 23:5-8.

    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

    But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

    HERE'S ZECHARIAH.

    Zechariah 8

    Zachariah 8:8 Says "And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in "TRUTH AND IN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

    That's not what they can claim today.

    HERE'S ZECHARIAH.

    "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. Zechariah 8:23.

    In "that day" the nation of Israel will be a vine that bares fruit.

    a starch contrast to Ezekiel 36:20 and where they stand today.

    Today as a nation Israel currently rejects there King.

    However in Genesis 49:1 Jacob bless his sons and give them a prophetic msg for the last days.

    I find Genesis 49:8-12 provocative.

    This seems to mirror Revelation and a far future Kingdom with Christ on the throne.

    Considering the description of the Covenants this earthly Kingdom hasn't happened yet.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 11 months ago
    The Davidic Covenant.

    The Davidic Covenant centers on several key promises that are made to David. First, God reaffirms the promise of the land that He made in the first two covenants with Israel (the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants). This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:10, "I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore." God then promises that David's son will succeed him as king of Israel and that this son (Solomon) would build the temple. This promise is seen in 2 Samuel 7:12-13, " I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name."

    But then the promise continues and expands: "I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever" (verse 13), and "Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever" (verse 16). What began as a promise that David's son Solomon would be blessed and build the temple turns into something different-the promise of an everlasting kingdom. Another Son of David would rule forever and build a lasting House. This is a reference to the Messiah, Jesus Christ, called the Son of David in Matthew 21:9.

    The promise that David's "house," "kingdom," and "throne" will be established forever is significant because it shows that the Messiah will come from the lineage of David and that He will establish a kingdom from which He will reign. The covenant is summarized by the words "house," promising a dynasty in the lineage of David; "kingdom," referring to a people who are governed by a king; "throne," emphasizing the authority of the king's rule; and "forever," emphasizing the eternal and unconditional nature of this promise to David and Israel.

    Davidic Covenant; Jeremiah 23:5; 30:9; Isaiah 9:7; 11:1; Luke 1:32, 69; Acts 13:34; and Revelation 3:7.

    Next.

    See Fulfillments.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 4.

    The Abrahamic Covenant also included a promise of blessing and redemption ( Genesis 12:3). All the earth would be blessed through Abraham. This promise finds its fulfillment in the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31:31-34; cf. Luke 22:20), which was ratified by Jesus Christ, the son of Abraham and Redeemer who will one day "restore everything" ( Acts 3:21).

    Five times in Genesis 12, as God is giving the Abrahamic Covenant, He says, "I will." Clearly, God takes the onus of keeping the covenant upon Himself. The covenant is unconditional. One day, Israel will repent, be forgiven, and be restored to God's favor ( Zechariah 12:10-14; Romans 11:25-27). One day, the nation of Israel will possess the entire territory promised to them. One day, the Messiah will return to set up His throne, and through His righteous rule the whole world will be blessed with an abundance of peace, pleasure, and prosperity.

    There will have an article highlighting the Abrahamic Covenant.

    THAT BRINGS US TO THE DAVIDIC COVENANT.

    The Davidic Covenant refers to God's promises to David through Nathan the prophet and is found in 2 Samuel 7 and later summarized in 1 Chronicles 17:11-14 and 2 Chronicles 6:16. This is an unconditional covenant made between God and David through which God promises David and Israel that the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would come from the lineage of David and the tribe of Judah and would establish a kingdom that would endure forever. The Davidic Covenant is unconditional because God does not place any conditions of obedience upon its fulfillment. The surety of the promises made rests solely on God's faithfulness and does not depend at all on David or Israel's obedience.

    NEXT.

    See the Davidic Covenant.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 3.

    Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua's leadership ( Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40-44 and 36:1-37:28).

    The Abrahamic Covenant also promised many descendants ( Genesis 12:2). God promised that the number of Abraham's children would rival that of "the dust of the earth" ( Genesis 15:16). Nations and kings would proceed from him ( Genesis 17:6). It is significant that the promise was given to an aged, childless couple. But Abraham "did not waver through unbelief" ( Romans 4:20), and his wife Sarah "considered him faithful who had made the promise" ( Hebrews 11:11). Abraham was justified by his faith ( Genesis 15:6), and he and his wife welcomed Isaac, the son of promise, into their home when they were 100 and 90 years old, respectively ( Genesis 21:5).

    God reiterates the Abrahamic Covenant to Isaac and to his son Jacob, whose name God changes to Israel. The great nation is eventually established in the land where Abraham had dwelled. King David, one of Abraham's many descendants, is given the Davidic Covenant ( 2 Samuel 7:12-16), promising a "son of David" who would one day rule over the Jewish nation-and all nations-from Jerusalem. Many other Old Testament prophecies point to the blessed, future fulfillment of that promise (e.g., Isaiah 11; Micah 4; Zechariah 8).

    See Part 4.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks for sharing the scripture.

    Do you believe this is a metaphor or do you actually believe you were physically crucified with Christ around 2,000 years ago.

    John 15:5 says Jesus is the vine and "ye are the branches." Do you believe you are actually just a branch? And do you believe Jesus is literally a vine and nothing else?

    If those are the metaphors they obviously are, why do you assume ye are gods is not a metaphor in Psalms 82:6? Isn't that cherry picking something to suit your chosen narrative? In the same sentence it also says ye are children, so if this was honestly applied you would then be a literal child? Otherwise its just cherry picking the gods metaphor which could be considered intellectually dishonest. Are Gods children? Do you really believe there's more than one God, despite what so many other scriptures say?

    Even the same author of Psalms only 4 chapters later says there's only one God in Psalm 86:10 "thou art God alone". Do you believe this verse just as much the other one you like? How about all the other verses that clearly say there's only one God like 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Samuel 7:22, Deuteronomy 4:39, 1 Chronicles 17:20. Why would someone ignore all these but only focus on believing a metaphor in half of one verse is not one instead?

    Shouldn't we be using discernment and reading the Bible with an open heart to what God is teaching us rather than the other way around? Just like kings and rulers are called lords (lowercase to show context), gods does not mean God. Anyone who cherry picks and claims they are a god is really deceived and this comes from satan. Satan loves deceiving people in this way and it has his signature all over it. God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 7 - 1 year ago
    Hello Naz Williams,

    (part 1)

    Paul starts off 2 Corinthians by saying "having therefore these promises." What promises? These are promises at the end of Chapter 6. We see in Leviticus 26:12, Isaiah 52:11, and 2 Samuel 7:14, that the promise that God said I will come and I will dwell in you, and I will be your Father, and you will be my children. I will be your God and you will be my people.

    Having these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit.

    Now these are not technical terms (flesh and spirit). He's talking about realm. Don't pollute by getting involved in the spiritual forces of darkness. There's a spiritual influence over you, and don't get involved in those physical human fleshly things that war against the things of Christ. Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness, that is, contamination of flesh and spirit.

    Secondly: perfecting holiness in the fear of God. The word holiness is the word sanctification. He says you've been sanctified. You've been set apart for Christ. And we keep trying in the human social to cross the line and be socially joined and get our social needs met.

    But at the same time, Paul is saying that you cannot compromise your walk with the Lord by getting involved in situations and with people that are going to influence your relationship with Christ and affect your effectiveness in your walk with Christ.

    So, he says the key here is you've been set apart. God has set you apart. His promise is that He's going to be with you and dwell with you. And He is going to be your God and you are going to be His people. Therefore, perfect, (mature) the sanctification. We are sanctified the very moment that God's Spirit comes into our spirit. In 1 Thessalonians, Paul told the Christians in Thessalonica to walk in your sanctification.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Exodus 1 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 25:23-28, Genesis 32:1,24,25,26,27,28, Genesis 35:10, Genesis 46:2, Genesis 46:5, * Genesis 50:24, Exodus 1:1-5, * 1Kings 18:31, * Psalms 14:7, Psalms 105:10, interesting how this scripture is broken down like this 'And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,' 'and to Israel an everlasting covenant ' 2 Samuel 7:7,

    They are descendents, of Jacob aka "Israel' the lineage of CHRIST Jesus, Matthew 1,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Patricia Novello - In Reply on 1 Peter 5 - 2 years ago
    Heavenly Father, according to Thy Promises, in the Mighty Name of Jesus, by the Power of the Holy Spirit, I claim healing for Kevin and Jenny. 2 Samuel 7:25, "And now, O LORD GOD, the word that Thou hast spoken concerning Thy servants (Kevin and Jenny), and concerning their house (their bodies), establish it (healing) for ever, and do as Thou hast said." Thank You Heavenly Father, Thank You Jesus and Thank You Holy Spirit. Kevin, I have you both in my prayers. God bless you both.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Hebrews 1:5 - 2 years ago
    Ears that here,

    Hebrews 1:5 says, For to which of the angels said he at any time, and this is from Psalm 2:7: Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

    Right here is where people will say "begotten" means to give birth. How do we get out of that one? It sounds like it contradicts who Jesus claimed to be.

    Well, Psalm 2 is what is called a Coronation Psalm. It is the day in which the Father passes the throne to His Son. And that's why He's called a Son. He didn't become a Son that day by birth. He became the inheritor of His Father's throne. And His Son is now the King. He became King on that day, His coronation.

    So we have to be careful. The word begotten, its root word is also used for creation, which is where we get the term birth. But also it's used for creating the world. Anything that is generated out is represented by this word. So when a person becomes King, this word is used.

    So to which of the angels did He say, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? To none of the angels! And again, from 2 Samuel 7:14: I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? To which of the angels did He ever say that? None!
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 3 years ago
    John 3:13: This chapter finds Jesus talking with Nicodemus about heavenly/spiritual things, which sadly, Nicodemus was ignorant of. He asks in verse 9, "How can these things be?", or in other words, 'Jesus, you're telling me strange things which I find impossible to accept & believe in'. So Jesus goes on to tell him that it's not only heavenly things but also earthly things that he doesn't understand. Then verse 13 refers to Jesus being the only one that is qualified to bring 'that heavenly light' to people as He was the one to come down from Heaven. And none else filled this position or was qualified, as not even Elijah or Enoch or even the OT saints have gone into Heaven & come back to Earth to reveal such Divine insights.

    Psalm 2:7: This is one of many Messianic Psalms which have a reference to the coming Messiah (see also Psalms 8, 16, 22, 34, 35, 40, etc.). David would not have had full knowledge of what God had put on his heart to write, except that God did have a plan, that through David there would be in the future an everlasting kingdom ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13). Whether David felt there was some reference to him in Psalm 2:7, is not known, but he knew ultimately that these words did not apply only to Him but to Another, as we read the whole Psalm. Even the NT writers referred to it: Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5, indicating that they too saw Psalm 2:7 as ultimately referring to the Messiah. So, you're correct that it is God speaking to (or, inspiring) David to write the Psalm, but many Psalms & other OT writings are prophetical pointing to Jesus, as even Jesus Himself looked back at those prophecies that spoke of Him & urged others to do so ( John 5:39).
  • Chris - In Reply on Deuteronomy 18 - 3 years ago
    That's a great question Danae. It is one that has brought on many discussions & ideas over the years.

    My belief is this: you're right that Mary & Joseph were ordinary human beings, though of course special as they were selected by God to bring forth His Son into the World. And in their humanity, they, like us, were born with a sin nature passed onto us from our first parents. And they would have sinned as well, though some would teach that they (specifically Mary) did not, since they were in every respect human as we are.

    So why wouldn't baby Jesus also receive a sin nature like all of us? I see it this way: neither Mary or Joseph contributed to the conception of the babe. That is, Joseph certainly wasn't the father & Mary did not contribute her ovum to this conception. The Bible says in Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

    I understand this verse to say that God, by His Spirit overshadowed Mary & placed this Holy Seed (one entirely from God without human intervention) into Mary's womb. So this Seed had not the nature that is passed down through mankind - it is a pure & Holy Seed. So couldn't God just zap Jesus onto the Earth & avoid all this human involvement? Well, the Scriptures speak of this Holy One coming, Who would be the Messiah, born in humanity ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13; Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2), so Jesus was born in fulfilment of all Scriptures, even the Sacrifices which spoke about His redemptive work. Yet, Jesus' Birth was without a sin nature so that He could ultimately be the Perfect Spotless Sacrifice for mankind. So Jesus was tempted of Satan ( Matthew 4:1-11), not to commit sin since He had no sin nature, but Satan wanted to cause the sin nature to be a part of Jesus, just as he did to Adam & Eve. But Jesus resisted this attempt & remained pure ( Hebrews 4:15).
  • Elder Annie M. Ellis on Revelation 20 - 7 years ago
    Revelation:1-15 Jesus Christ comes back to set up His millennial one thousand years reign on the earth vv.1-6.There are a number of prophetic references which describe a particular time when Christ will establish a kingdom on the earth 2 Samuel 7-14 Psalm 24:1-10 Isaiah2:1-4 11:5-12 35:1-10 Daniel 2:-44 At this time,the unrighteous dead will be judged v.12 Revelation 20:2-10 See Jude 1:9
  • May on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    Joe; If Jesus is not a prophet than why does the Bible say he is? And where in the Bible does God proclaim he is his son as he does in the following verse of others: Exodus 4:22. God was speaking to prophet Moses, "Than you will tell him, This is what the lord says",
    Israel (Jacob) is my first born Son". "I commanded you, Let my Son go so he can worship me, but since you have refused I will now kill your your first born son".
    Also in 2 Samuel 7:14 God is speaking of David; " I will be his Father and he will be my Son".
    Psalm 2:7 The King proclaims the Lords degree, "The Lord said unto me" " You are my Son,today I have become your Father"
    Again in 1 Chronicles 22:10 God was speaking about the Son of Solomon. " He is the one who will build a temple to honor my name. He will be my Son and I will be his Father".
  • May on Genesis 1 - 13 years ago
    Joe: to answer your question I have to say "No, I don't believe in the word Trinity", however "I do believe in Jesus", but not as the Son of God, but as a divine prophet.
    You see the phrase Son of God is not literal but metaphorical as shown in the following verses used in Exodus 4:22. God was speaking to prophet Moses, "Than you will tell him, This is what the lord says",
    Israel (Jacob) is my first born Son". "I commanded you, Let my Son go so he can worship me, but since you have refused I will now kill your your first born son".
    Also in 2 Samuel 7:14 God is speaking of David; " I will be his Father and he will be my Son".
    Psalm 2:7 The King proclaims the Lords degree, "The Lord said unto me" " You are my Son,today I have become your Father"
    Again in 1 Chronicles 22:10 God was speaking about the Son of Solomon. " He is the one who will build a temple to honor my name. He will be my Son and I will be his Father".
    I have read many verses in the Bible where signifies love, affection and nearness to God which does not only apply to Jesus.In Luke 4:41 Jesus refused to be called the Son of God. Many who were possessed with demons, and the demons came out at his command shouting, "You are the Son of God", but because they knew he was the Messiah he rebuked them and refused to let them speak".
    Luke 9:18 Jesus asked his disciples, "who do people say I am".
    Luke 9:20-21,22 "Than who do you say I am" Peter replied "You are the Messiah, sent by God". Jesus warned his disciples not to tell anyone who he was saying "The Son of man must suffer many terrible things".
    As we read in Acts 9:20 It was Paul, who never met Jesus preached in the synagogues saying "He is indeed the Son of God".
    In Mathew 5:17-18
    Jesus announced �Don�t misunderstand why I have come, I did not come to abolish the law of Moses, or the writings of the prophets, No I came to accomplish their purpose.�


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