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2 Samuel 21 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Free - in Reply on 1 Samuel 31
    Hi "Gary cunningham", ty for the info, have never even stumbled upon this :) In my KJV there is a reference to 2 Samuel 1.21 and 21, 12. This had little meaning. But further: 2 Samuel 21, where we learn more about the bones. Hope this could help you, forgive me if i talk in the nightcap.

    Confusion can be an answer. And many translations. But there are many really good ppl in here who may understand this better.

    John Chapter 11 and 12

    Stay blessed all ppl in Jesus name, love u all
  • T. Levis - in Reply on 2 Samuel 21
    1 Samuel 14:49, 1 Samuel 18:20-28, 1 Samuel 19:11-18, 1 Samuel 22:1,5, 1 Samuel 23:13-14,24,29, 1 Samuel 24, 1 Samuel 25:44,

    2 Samuel 3:12-16, 2 Samuel 6:15-23,

    * 1 Samuel 6:23,

    Note : 2 Samuel 21, vrs 8 "she brought up" didn't say bore, begot, or birthed. 1 Samuel 18:19, looks like she "brought up" her sister Merab's sons.

    Hopefully these are helpful.
  • Victor on 2 Samuel 21
    2 Samuel 21:8

    "the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite"

    are they sons of Michal the daughter of Saul?
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply
    Waline A Anthony,

    In Genesis 6:4 it talks about the giants, "in those days; and also, after that", We see in those days and also after that we have giants (Nephilim). We see when Israel went into the promised land God gave them a command Deuteronomy 20:16-18. The word giant is Nephilim, which is also in Numbers 13:33, giants after the flood.

    The question this raises is, who are the Nephilim and how did they survive the flood? Were these more fallen angels that created more giants? If the Nephilim were indeed half-human/half-angelic then it may explain the many ancient religious views after Babel with demi-gods (half man half god), but we do not find it clearly in scripture.

    Also, in the Old Testament, there is the Rephaim (or Rephaites), and the context describes them as giants. The name of these people means "terrible ones" also, refers to departed spirits whose dwelling place was the abyss.

    Here are some scriptures that may help your study, Joshua 12:4 2 Samuel 21:16 Also read Joshua 13, 15, 17, 18, 2 Samuel 21 and 1 Chronicles 20.

    We do find giants of considerable size. Is there any scripture that tells us where these giants came from? There were not just one or two, but there were many. The descriptions of these giants appear much larger than 8-9 feet tall, a small number of people today.

    Numbers 13:33 Deuteronomy 2:19-21 Deuteronomy 20:17 Amos 2:9

    Many struggles with there being giants but all over the world history records similarities of myths of giants, were they real? Whatever the case, there is the biblical evidence, plus written accounts outside of the Bible, that giants did exist.

    Are the Nephilim and Rephaim the offspring of angels and human women that became demons and evil spirits after the flood that we see in the Bible? In the Bible there are angels which kept not their first estate, but left their habitation and are locked in chains of darkness until judgment.

    Study for your conscience may this help, God bless.

    RLW
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Neville Stewart

    There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

    Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. ( 1 Chronicles 17:13) ( 2 Corinthians 6:18)

    The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, ( Job 1:6) ( Job 2:1) ( Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in ( Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

    Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. ( 2 Peter 2:4) ( Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

    Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. ( 2 Samuel 21:16) ( Joshua 12:4) ( Numbers 13:33) ( Deuteronomy 20:17) ( Deuteronomy 2:19-21) ( Amos 2:9).

    This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

    RLW
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Samuel 21
    What you read in 1 Samuel 31:4,5, does show that Saul & his armour bearer fell on their swords & were buried by the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead under a tree at Jabesh (vv 11-13).

    Then in 2 Samuel 21:12, King David comes onto the scene. He willing to avenge the death of the Gibeonites, took Saul's children, except Mephibosheth, & gave them to the King of Gibeon to slaughter them to avenge the death of his people. This they did & then David, hearing of this later, came to where the remains of Saul & the others were & took them & buried them amongst the tribe of Benjamin (vv 12-14).

    However, the apparent discrepancy about Saul falling on his sword or whether the Philistines killed him instead, can be cleared up by understanding that, Saul's wounding was as 'sore wounding', i.e. it was a fatal wound but that death would be some time in coming. Thus Saul hurried it up by committing suicide. But the Scripture tells us that the Philistines actually struck the death blow - Saul just finishing off the job, so to speak.
  • Abi Osokoya on 1 Timothy 5
    Abi on 1 Timothy 5:18

    According to 2 Samuel 21:20-21, Jonathan son of Shimea David's brother slew the giant that had 12 fingers and 12 toes.
  • According to 2 Samuel 21:20-21, Jonathan son of Shimea David's brother slew the giant that had 12 fingers and 12 toes.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on 2 Samuel 21
    3 years famine: 2 Samuel 21:1

    Michal was David's 1st wife: 1 Samuel 18:20, 1 Samuel 25:44,

    2 Samuel 21:8-9

    He buried the bones of the family he loved : 1 Samuel 18:1, 2 Samuel 21:12-15

    & he had just faught the Philistines

    Doesn't sound cowardice

    Exhaustive mentally, emotionally & physically, yes
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Wisdom of Solomon 3
    Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6 before the flood of Noah?

    Sons of God (ANGELS) shout before the world began - Adam man came 6 days later. How can Adam shout before he existed?

    Job 38:4 - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    Job 38:5 - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    Job 38:6 - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS OF GOD sons of God shouted for joy?

    How can the sons of God be men since they were shouting for joy when the earth was created?

    Adam man did not come till 6 days AFTER the earth was made.

    Adam was a Son of God since he created him -

    Angels are SONS of God since God created them and was their Father

    Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN SON of GOD -

    Believers DO NOT become Sons of God till they are born again of the Holy Spirit only in the new testament

    So were all the SONS OF GOD of Genesis 6 the men who were ALL righteous

    the DAUGHTERS OF MEN were all women who were ALL wicked and evil

    So all the men were godly and the women were evil ?

    Really can we believe this: all the men were godly and the women were evil

    then the godly men and wicked women got married and believers and unbelievers had children who were GIANTS

    so where are these giants today? Playing for the NBA?

    2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

    so see any unbelievers running around with 6 fingers and toes?

    then the Lord commanded all the they be killed? What?

    No the fallen angels tried to corrupt the blood line of the chosen seed. that is why the Lord commanded the Cannanites be exterminated.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on 1 Timothy 4
    Nephillim part 1 Who are the Sons of God in Genesis 6 before the flood of Noah?

    Sons of God (ANGELS) shout before the world began - Adam man came 6 days later.

    Job 38:4 - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

    Job 38:5 - Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

    Job 38:6 - Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the SONS OF GOD sons of God shouted for joy?

    How can the sons of God be men since they were shouting for joy when the earth was created?

    Adam man did not come till 6 days AFTER the earth was made.

    Adam was a Son of God since he created him -

    Angels are SONS of God since God created them and was their Father

    Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN SON of GOD -

    Believers DO NOT become Sons of God till they are born again of the Holy Spirit only in the new testament

    So were all the SONS OF GOD of Genesis 6 the men who were ALL righteous?

    the DAUGHTERS OF MEN were all women who were ALL wicked and evil?

    So all the men were godly and the women were evil ?

    Really can we believe this: all the men were godly and the women were evil

    then the godly men and wicked women got married and believers and unbelievers had children who were GIANTS

    so where are these giants today? Playing for the NBA?

    2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

    so see any unbelievers running around with 6 fingers and toes?

    then the Lord commanded all the they be killed

    1 Chron 20:4 - And it came to pass after this, that there arose WAR WAR WAR at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Genesis 9
    So were all the SONS OF GOD of Genesis 6 the men who were ALL righteous

    the DAUGHTERS OF MEN were all women who were ALL wicked and evil

    So all the men were godly and the women were evil ?

    Really can we believe this: all the men were godly and the women were evil

    then the godly men and wicked women got married and believers and unbelievers had children who were GIANTS
    so where are these giants today? Playing for the NBA?

    2 Samuel 21:20 - And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

    see any unbelievers running around with 6 fingers?
  • C. Keen on 2 Samuel 21
    Someone mentioned a contradiction in 2 Samuel 21:8 and 2 Samuel 6:23. It says she brought them up for Adriel. Maybe they were her stepsons
  • Mary on 2 Samuel 21:1
    2 Samuel 21:1-9 Principle illustrated: David taking responsibility for Saulís actions which shows David being a man after Godís own heart. There was a famine in the land of Israel because Saul had killed the Gibeonites. David faced the Gibeonites for Saul to see if there was anything that he could do for them. They demanded that he deliver seven men of Saulís sons to them because they had insisted that they should be destroyed. The Lord chose the men who He wanted David to send. David did not send Mephibosheth because of his oath with Jonathan not to destroy each otherís seed. The Gibeonites would hang those men for what they had done. The consequences from wrong doing can be devastating.. God has brought to my attention that everything I do has an influence on people. I sometimes forget that people look up to me. What I think is ďwhy me?Ē I am nobody special. I am just a sinner trying to live for God. People notice when you ďdoĒ and ďdo notĒ do the right thing and live for God. Through my years, I have learned that doing the right thing is what God wants us to do and if we do it we will be set up for the blessings. God blesses and removes the chance of famine when I learn to do what is right.
  • Mary on 2 Samuel 22
    2 Samuel 21: 1-9 Principle illustrated: David taking responsibility for Saulís actions which shows David being a man after Godís own heart. There was a famine in the land Israel because Saul had killed the Gibeonites. David faced the Gibeonites for Saul to see if there was anything that he could do for them. They demanded that he deliver seven men of Saulís sons to them because they had insisted that they should be destroyed. The Lord chose the men who He wanted David to send. David did not send Mephibosheth because of his oath with Jonathan not to destroy each otherís seed. The Gibeonites would hang them for what they had done. The consequences from wrong doing can be brutal. Seven men hanged because one man slew some people. As Christians everything that we do has an influence on people. I sometimes forget that people look up to me. What I think is ďwhy me?Ē I am nobody special. I am just a sinner trying to live for God. I have learned that doing the right thing is what God wants us to do and if we do, it we will be set up for the blessings of God and not famine. I know that I get in the way of Godís showers of blessings that He want to rain upon me, but that is because I am human and make the mistake of handling things myself when God would be more than happy to take care of it for me. Being a man after Godís own heart is the way to true joy.


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