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2 Samuel 12 KJV Bible discussions
  • Richard H Priday
    Hell testimonies part 3

    I would be sadly remiss if I didn't emphasize how we should fear the Lord who can send both body and soul to hell ( Matt. 10:28).

    This; in my opinion should elicit a response in the souls of all true believers; as we should be ever greatful for what He did for us on the cross; taking the punishment of God the Father on Himself for our benefit.

    What we can do now; however is be ambassadors for the truth; and allow God to make us vessels of reconciliation ( 2 Cor. 5:19).

    We cannot save anyone; but are held responsible for the death of others if we don't sound the alarm (see Ezekiel 33). Notice there that they may or may not heed the warning.

    One cannot separate the love of God for fear of the Lord; and one cannot appreciate the joys of heaven without realizing the horrors of hell they have been delivered from.

    We also have to understand predestination in that regard; if we disagree on certain aspects it is clear that in the end a certain number are saved and sadly it is only "few" according to Christ Himself. ( Luke 13:23 among other verses).

    Another thing which needs consideration is the reports of children being in hell. Matthew 18:10; as well as Matthew 21:16 tied to Psalm 8:2; and the testimony of David in 2 Samuel 12:23 should dispel this; there are other verses as well which I may elaborate on in a future posting. Those scenes where people seem baffled or confused as to what is happening to them isn't scriptural; and we also must ponder Hebrews 9:27; and understand that judgment comes first immediately after death (although before the Great White Throne one at the end of the Millennium). The punishment is justly given in different levels depending on the crime. I need to be careful here; but will say that punishment will be no more or less than deserved; more "tolerable" for some as in Matthew 11:22.

    In conclusion; God's Word should make us tremble; the subject matter should never be looked at as entertaining.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 86
    Psalm 86 (part 2). Further study in the psalm leads us to verse 9; where there is the future plan of God to have ALL nations come before God in worship and praise. This would be an allusion to the many verses indicating the Millennial rule of Christ over the remaining surviving people on the earth as well as His glorified saints ruling and reigning with Christ.

    Vsrse 11 shows the importance of the fear of the Lord; and verse 12 shows how praise with all our hearts will glorify His name forever (also see Exodus 20:3; Deut. 6:5).

    Verse 13 shows how David was delivered from the "lowest hell". We certainly can't claim that hell wasn't referred to in the Old Testament with numerous references in Psalms; Deuteronomy; Proverbs and other scriptures. Once again verse 14 shows the type of "violent men" that pursued David; on and off throughout his lifetime; some cases of which later on were a chastisement due to David's transgressions; such as 2 Samuel 12:9-12). Perhaps verse 16 referring to the son of thy handmaid means that David's mother was still alive at the tie of this writing; I am not sure.

    The Psalm ends with David reflecting on God's mercy and longsuffering characteristics. The last verse reminds us of Psalm 23 where a table is presented before our enemies ( Psalm 23:5).
  • Chris - in Reply on Esther 1
    Hi Pam. As you know, those Jews that were carried away into Babylon by King Nebuchadnezzar remained there until the Persian army, under Cyrus, conquered Babylon. Cyrus was very lenient with the Jews & he gave them permission to return to their homeland. However, only a few did, and others did so over time, under Persian rule. People, like Mordecai & his cousin Hadassah (Esther), were born in captivity & only knew this Babylonian/Persian culture & the Jewish practises that were brought over by their forefathers. So, under Xerxes (Ahasuerus), the story of Mordecai & Esther is given to us. Having mentioned all that, I would think that the Jews living in Persia, who didn't want to return for various reasons (old age, loss of lifestyle/privileges, etc.), continued to perform many of the Jewish practises, as far as they were remembered. Many things would have been forgotten, abandoned, or even inter-mixed with heathen practises, but Israel still maintained their Jewish ancestry and their position before God & sought to follow His regulations.

    So, when we read of Esther's call to the Jews of Shushan the palace & her handmaidens to fast ( Esther 4:15-17), I would think that both fasting & prayer were intended (if her helpers were Jews of course). The idea of fasting for the Jew at that time, was linked to deep sense of need & dependence and/or an utter helplessness in the face of calamity (present or anticipated). Also times of mourning, repentance, or a deep spiritual need could prompt fasting & prayer. Of King David we read that he prayed & fasted over his sick child ( 2 Samuel 12:16) coupled with weeping (vv 21,22). And Daniel in Daniel 9:1-19, went a similar way before the Lord with prayer, petition, fasting, in sackcloth & ashes, over the coming destruction of Jerusalem.

    Fasting then was a particularly important act of one's seriousness & being cast before the Lord for help. Throughout the fast, this attitude of laying up the matters before God would have occurred.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply
    I suppose this post has been up; I didn't know my opinion was of interest-seems like Gigi did an extensive one; and "ontological" is beyond my "pay grade" in terms of scientific vocabulary.

    I tried to start responding and as always my extra tabs wiped out the page. Anyway; it is somewhat heartening that you seem to know the Lord.

    Starting off here; I'm too lazy to once again get all the exact quotes. Roughly speaking I was going to say that in Psalm 139 we are said to be "fearfully and wonderfully made." In Ecclesiastes 7:29 the "uprightness" of man is mentioned but that he goes astray for "many inventions". A big point many make is about the age of accountability. I can't see how anyone is lost forever in condemnation without understanding some basic things about sin and punishment which probably begins with child rearing. David's quote about the child that died seems to indicate a certainty that he will see him someday but not until he dies ( 2 Samuel 12:23).

    Sin; death and decay (as brought up through the concept of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) really can't be explained other than it happens; much like concepts like gravity. I would say simply the spirit of a man lives foreever; whether in restored (saved) condition or lost. Man would have lived forever in an "innocent" state if he hadn't sinned. This would not have enabled him to rule and reign with Christ as we can now; nor fulfilled His plans for free agents in the spirit realm to choose to rebel or remain with Him in their "proper estate". ( Jude 1:6). Whether we understand sin as we get older we see more and more of the effects. God has designed this world to unwind; and eventually be destroyed and replaced with a new heaven and earth. Things in the sovereignty of God ( Deut. 29:29) remain there at least this side of eternity. Proverbs 25:2 states that kings have some things revealed which may suggest as "kings and priests" in Him some understanding comes. We are not God who knows all.
  • Richard H Priday
    Predestination part 3. (eternal fate heaven or hell).

    When we are "conformed to the image of His Son" ( Romans 8:29) we see the concept of predestination and "first fruits" there; which would foreshadow a Rapture/Resurrection event. Another way to put it is that those who read the Beatitudes on a surface level or human level of understanding see a humanitarian sort of principle of for instance; how to be "peacemakers"; feed the poor; etc. ANYONE; even an atheist can do such things but it is only the Holiness of God through the Spirit after true conversion that gives us the reality of that in our souls. No amount of penance; self sacrifice or other actions can give us more of a desire for God's Holiness if it doesn't already exist in someone's soul! Nonetheless "faith without works is dead." ( James 2:17). Poducing fruit is essential for a true believer as we see with the Parable of the Sower and the seed.

    There are also various levels of suffering in hell as well as rewards in heaven. We see this in Matthew 11:20-24 with several cities in mind. Also we see this in Matthew 13:8 as to the 30 fold and 100 fold producers (also see 1 Cor. 15:41).

    I am fairly dogmatic as to those before the age of accountability not being punished for their sin NATURE since they haven't acted out the sin knowing that they are rebels against God. When we look at Romans 7:9-11; we understand this concept; and when we see the story of David and his son who died ( 2 Samuel 12:23) we see evidence of this amongst other places ( Psalm 8:2 for example).

    Another way of looking at is is the verse "we will not have this man to rule over us." ( Luke 19:14). This is what all say who go against the Man who God has given all authority to in heaven and earth ( Matt. 28:18). If we disbelieve the living Word ( Heb. 4:12 etal) then we reject His authority and preservation as well as 2 Timothy 3:16 which states all scripture is breathed of God..

    Or; Luke 10:16 rejecting you is rejecting me.
  • Richard H Priday
    Principle 5 What about the infants; children under "age of accountability" and mentally challenged individuals?

    There are verses related to David's son that died with Bathsheeba that would seem to indicate that children who die before a certain age we can be confident to meet eventually in heaven. ( 2 Samuel 12:14). Those who are mentally challenged to the point where they don't consciously sin also could be arguably in that camp. I know someone who has attended concerts at our local church that I have run into twice in a month or two that is mentally challenged. He tends to obsessively listen to Christian music and gyrate uncontrollably. This is a good reminder to all of us that we don't always see what's going on in the heart of some people. It would be illogical to disbelieve in such individuals having universal salvation upon an early death and somehow expect that they would be Raptured. Whether making it to heaven AFTER death warrants being Raptured is a bit trickier; however. There are verses about gathering the weaning child in Joel 2:16 certainly invoke a theme like the Rapture in the Holy Convocation. We certainly should of course teach the scriptures faithfully to help rear our kids in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

    In light of the above statement; I would say that unlike the hardened hearts of many adults; children still have potential for a large spiritual awakening in terms of numerical response to the Word. That could be something that would signify His imminent return; perhaps with abortions being significantly reduced we will indeed see if Satan has been terminating an army already in heaven of faithful martyrs and if a generation of believers will come into fruition when the children are allowed to live who otherwise would have been slain. This is just a theory; but God will receive praise ( Psalm 8:2).

    Principle Six: ANY new believer is qualified for the Rapture. ( Luke 14:24-35). See my next post...
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 41
    Psalm 41. This passage of scripture; without much question refers to David's late stage illness as shown in 1 Kings 1:1-4. There are statements about God preserving those physically in their illnesses who consider the poor (verse 1). This may not be something that we consider today; but it is worth noting in places such as the USA that have up until now been affluent compared with much of the world.

    Once again as I have established a couple times with previous Psalms it would appear that David's state was due to sinful actions earlier (v. 4). As to any specific sexually transmitted disease I won't speculate. The passage following in verses 5 through 8 do show how his enemies sought out his death; and certainly that could have been due to the many wives and or concubines that David maintained; and those relations from other nations that by default would have been intertwined in these personal affairs. Secondary to this but also related is the rivalry from Absolom and other enemies that God Himself promised due to David's sin as seen in 2 Samuel 12. He was forgiven but there were consequences to his actions.

    Verse 9 certainly is a Messianic prophecy; albeit fits in with David's situation (although it is hard to tell WHO exactly it would have referred to in his case).

    The rest of the Psalm once again could have application to David and at least in a general sense to Christ in regard to victory over His enemies; and favor with God as well as His place as established in heaven at the right hand of God. (verses 10-12). It finally ends with the eternal nature of God and His blessedness.

    It probably doesn't need repeating at this point how the same themes here continue repeatedly; namely prophecies applicable to David and Christ; David's sufferings; trust in God's grace and trust in all His promises. The Hebrew phoenetic and poetic structure has to be delved into to be discovered; and the sound of the original songs sadly have not been preserved.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 6
    There are some who think that David was afflicted with some type of venereal disease due to his many relations; and the descriptions of his sufferings in such passages. Others say it could be a bone affliction of old age such as osteoporosis. When he was dying he had care for what some would say are hypothermia. We see similar language of David's ailments in Psalm 32.

    Apparently; as verses 8 and 10 indicate; God used his enemies to humble him; which were promised due to him in 2 Samuel 12:9 and following after his downfall with Bathsheeba and causing Uriah to die. These would taunt him for the rest of his days; and also would delay the Temple of the Lord to be built because David's transgressions and whatever was meant by his being a "man of war" ( 1 Chron. 28:3). That could be a veiled reference to causing death to Uriah in war; as well as battles that resulted from enemies that came after him due to his own sin.

    God did chasten David as he states in verse 1. David surely was a saint of God; as we see from Hebrews 11:32. His broken and contrite spirit as seen in Psalm 51 allowed him to repent as he did many times; admitting his sin. Hopefully; since all scripture is for instruction ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) we will avoid certain costly sins in our lives as things are written for examples to us in how to live.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Revelation 22
    There are verses such as "absent from the body is present with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:8); and others where Jesus says He isn't the God of the dead but the living ( Mark 12:27). There is mention of souls under the altar in Revelation ( Rev. 6:9-11) and the transfiguration; as well as David stating that he would not see his dead son come to him but he would go to him ( 2 Samuel 12:23). When the Rapture comes; then there will be a reuniting of souls with bodies when the dead saints are raised; then we who are alive are changed into Resurrection bodies without death ( 1 Cor. 15:51-52). The final Great White Throne judgment is for those who are in hades or what is now called hell; who are judged according to their works then thrown in the lake of fire. From my undestanding of eschatology; there could very well be those who physically survive the Millenium period and ARE written in the Book of Life.

    There is more that can be said; but I felt that the focus should be on how NOW we can recognize through Christ and the new man in us what will exist someday in eternity by the power of the Holy Spirit. If we are saved; then we are new creatures; and although we see darkly as through a glass; we get a taste of things to come ( 1 Cor. 13:12). We are already spiritually "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:1-9). We become hearers of His voice; and start to sense His presence; and have the "mind of Christ" ( 1 Cor. 2:16). He has given us good works to do which no doubt will continue in heaven in some form as we are all uniquely created.

    Scripture simply doesn't allow for an nihilism in any way; verses differentiate between the word "qeber" for the body in the grave and "sheol" which is the state of the soul in the O.T. after death. Now; we can go immediately into God's presence; so Satan no longer has power over our souls to keep them under the earth in the paradise part of sheol anymore HEBREWS 2:14-15! Perfect love casts out fear ( 1 John 4:18).
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Numbers 5
    NIV apparently indicates that her "womb will miscarry" while other versions seem to indicate just a physical condition making childbirth impossible. In either case; after that point physical malady occurs. This penalty is no more severe than that of David when he sinned committing adultery with Bathsheeba then summarily sending her husband Uriah to his death deliberately being put on the front lines of battle. ( 2 Samuel 12; also see Psalm 51). The sin of adultery was a capital offense as well as murder so only the grace of God could supersede this. In the case of the woman mentioned in Numbers; there was no proof corroborated beyond the husband's suspicions (2 or more witnesses were needed to enact punishment). Therefore; the Lord used this method to determine supernaturally guilt or innocence. We see with David's child as well as in this hypothetical case that surely occurred with real life examples that a child would die as the result of God's judgment for behavior of someone else. This is different than man's arbitrary decision to terminate life and peculiar to the Jews. The soul of the child was never in question here; but it shows how the sin of one can affect others; and we can't pretend to understand all of God's ways.

    Again; this showed the seriousness of God's covenant marriage relationship. It says nothing of how someone not engaged who commits fornication would be treated; other scriptures state that a man should marry a virgin in that instance; and there are other verses that say he must stay married if he finds nothing appealing in a wife (we see Leah having more kids to prove that point). Since adultery was a capital punishment; then by default sadly if she was already conceiving a child it would become part of the "collateral damage".

    We should see from this the seriousness of marriage and how it holds the framework of a society together. God used this concept of a Theocracy with His chosen people in that dispensation.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi James.

    Yes I believe the little children and some mentally challenged people will go to heaven.

    Here's why, There seems to be an age of accountability.

    Deuteronomy 1:39. Here Joshua reminds Israel of the decree given by God in Numbers 14:21-33. Here the age of accountability is 20 years old.

    James 4:17. I don't see a one year old knowing he's in need of a savior.

    Romans 14:12. This is something a child can't do.

    King David seems to think at least babies go to heaven in 2 Samuel 12:19-23.

    Today this may have more to do with maturity which differs from one kid to another.

    Perhaps at an early age one may know good from evil but lack full knowledge and understanding of the gospel, and need of a savior. I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on 2 Samuel 16
    That is an interesting question. That is in line with the death of many children; before the age of accountability in scripture which in some cases was demanded as part of the destruction of surrounding nations. Ultimately; it can be established that SPIRITUAL death (which is the ultimate punishment of the wicked) is a factor in this chapter-as the righteous and their earthly death is NOT mentioned. That eliminates children from entering hell before the age of accountability; and in fact David's attitude after the period of mourning and fasting indicates that "He cannot go to me; but I shall go to him." It also is instructive that the proper response to David's adultery and consent to the murder of Uriah demonstrated grace; as there was nothing in the law that could prevent being stoned for such an act of treason. It would be better stated that the child's death was a result of David's sin; kind of like a collateral damage. The child certainly was not told he would die because of his own sin; nor as stated above was it any scriptural method to deal with David's sin. Therefore he wasn't held accountable for David's sin; but died as a result of it. Perhaps something as simple as not being protected from illnesses leading to death; or other factors were due to a hedge of protection being removed as a result of David's actions. (Actually the passage is 2 Samuel 12). Nathan's reason of God doing this indicating David's contempt for the Lord or as KJV says reason to blaspheme (v. 14) the child would die. Verse 13 indicates BEFOREHAND David's sin was already forgiven and he shall not die. Perhaps the Hittites related to Uriah would rightly see a righteous man sacrificing himself for the sake of Israel necessitating vengeance. This seems like God's way of vindicating them; who in this case were righteous rather than the King of His chosen nation who needed to be held accountable. Also, Deut. 29:29 shows mysteries of God that we cannot comprehend.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Hi Raymond.

    Yes, I believe we will see our loved ones in Heaven, and yes, "In Heaven"

    I like the scripture free has given and king David seems to suggest the same.

    "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me".

    2 Samuel 12:23.

    Here's a few of many scriptures that suggests we will be in Heaven.

    Revelation 4:1-2. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2) And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

    Revelation 4:4.

    Revelation 4:10.

    Revelation 5:1-3. Notice verse 3- "And no man in heaven", nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." Not only are there people in Heaven and on earth here, but this is also before the tribulation!!

    Revelation 5:13-14. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    There is several different views on whether we will be in heaven or not.

    I'm not interested in going into that debate besides your question was "Will we see our loved ones in Heaven' and answering your question is most important.

    God bless.
  • T Levis - in Reply on 2 Samuel 16
    2Samuel 11, 2 Samuel 12, note 2Samuel 12:23,
  • King David and Bathsheba's First Baby
    2 SAMUEL 11:

    26 And when the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband was dead, she mourned for her husband.

    27 And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done DISPLEASED THE LORD.

    2 SAMUEL 12:

    14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

    15 And NATHAN departed to his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

    16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

    18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?

    19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.

    20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.

    21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.

    22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?

    Comment: this may be one time when a child died because ones actions. This is just something to consider. It bears no relevance to other comments. Mishael
  • Jim - in Reply

    I read your bit on God does not take babies and for the most part I believe he doesn't but there are exceptions concerning this.

    Please consider 2 Samuel 12:13-23.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Ezekiel 2
    Hi James.

    I have heard it taught that his Job kids doubled as well. Apparently they were saved. you don't loose a love one if He/She is going to Heaven and so are you. as King David said about his baby " Someday I will go to Him! 2 Samuel 12:23.

    Those seven is still his kids along with the seven mentioned in Job 42:13.

    Giving him 14 in total, and he's probably with all 14 now.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Psalms 23
    King David is accredited as author of Psalms 23, here is some of his documented historical references that may help understand deeper: 1 Samuel 19:1,9,10,11,15,18,20-24, 2 Samuel 12:7-14, 2 Samuel 15:14,
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    2 Samuel 12:21-23, Matthew 10:28-31, Psalm 139:1-18, hopefully these are encouraging.
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    Did you notice? David feared GOD & would not lay his hand on GOD's anointted & felt remorseful for cutting Saul's garment.

    1 Samuel 24:4,5,6 , 1 Samuel 24:10,

    Saul also ripped Samuel's garment 1 Samuel 15:27 however 1 Samuel 15:28-29. Even after remorseful repentance 1 Samuel 15:29,30,35

    Do think the significance of the clothing was a factor? 1 Samuel 2:19, His mother's sacrifice 1 Samuel 1:28

    Saul pursued David to kill him: 1 Samuel 19:1,10,11,15,

    & Saul ordered the prophets of GOD killed, possibly unarmed, their families, livestock & nursing babies included.; 1 Samuel 22:17,18,19 Same Saul that left the enemy King & livestock alive in disobedience to GOD's orders. 1 Samuel 15:1,2,3,8,9,

    Psalms 105:15

    David's mercy 2 Samuel 9:3-7,

    David's sin & judgement: 2 Samuel 12:7,9,11,12,14,18, 2 Samuel 13:1,6,7,8,12,13,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,28,29,30,31,32, after years 2 Samuel 14:25,30,31,32, 2 Samuel 15:6,10,12,13,14,16,23,30,31, 2 Samuel 16:3,5,6,7,8,11,13,22, 2 Samuel 17:21,23,29, 2 Samuel 18:5,7,9,10,12,14,15,17,20,27,32,33, 2 Samuel 19:1-4, "the sword did not depart from his house" etc. There were more scriptures about his consequences _.

    Queen Vashti, consequence Ester 1:19, Ester 2:4

    Saul then 1 Samuel 28:3,7,18,19

    David has Psalms of remorseful repentance, gives glory to GOD ALMIGHTY, shows mercy & humility at times. With Saul he shows remorse but didn't read much of repentance, etc.

    However the Bible says: 1 Colossians 1:20,

    Job 12:16

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 133
    I agree with your comment. I don't believe 2 Samuel 12 refutes anything about God allowing children to go to heaven. Some children die and God is a fair judge whether they were old enough to be accountable, or healthy enough, or have enough opportunity. Those who live and die in remote native islands like north sentinel island who never read a Bible or hear about Jesus simply are going to be judged fairly by God.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Psalms 133
    Hi Sacha

    My reply was bringing attention that verse 23 ( But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.) "That verse is a commonly used verse where we see a child going to heaven, having not reaching the age of accountability yet". And yes it is used that way.

    In verse 23 King David is answering his servant when the child was sick he fast and wept but when the child died he ate bread "no more mourning" If he was concerned about the child not living long enough to be circumcised that would have brought on more mourning and weeping as he did for Absalom after his death.

    2 Samuel 12:21-22. Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.

    And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?

    But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

    Chapter 11:27 we see King David took Bathsheba as his wife and she bore him a child, Chapter 12:14-16 you see the Lord has struck the child with sickness and King David went and lay upon the earth and fasted.

    On the seventh day the child died, This don't say that the child was 7 days old, Its how long David fasted.

    Scripture don't give us the age of the child. We don't know how much time past between VS 11:27 the child birth, and vs 12:18 when it died.

    Besides none of that matters. Circumcision was never for salvation, the book of Galatians is clear on that.

    For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. and Romans. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
  • Steven Spencer on Philippians 2
    Alex, here is John 14:16. The comforter in Hebrew. different name and different definition that 2 Samuel 12:24. Greek:

    Transliteration: parakltos

    Pronunciation: par-ak'-lay-tos

    Definition: An intercessor consoler: - advocate comforter.

    KJV Usage: comforter(4x), advocate(1x).

    Occurs: 5

    In verses: 5
  • Steven Spencer on Mark 2:28
    Alex this is comforted drawn from 2 Samuel 12:24. different word and different meaning from comforter in John. Hebrew:

    Transliteration: ncham

    Pronunciation: naw-kham'

    Definition: A primitive root; properly to {sigh} that {is} breathe strongly; by implication to be {sorry} that {is} (in a favorable sense) to {pity} console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort ({self}) ease [one s {self]} repent ({-er} {-ing} self).

    KJV Usage: comfort(57x), repent(41x), comforter(9x), ease(1x).

    Occurs: 108

    In verses: 100.
  • M Fridy - in Reply on John 1
    How can we relate 2 Samuel 12:8 with today's modern time.

    Go back and get my such and such? Does this mean what the Lord has for me its for all I have to do is ask him for

    whatever I want as long as I am in his Will?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
    Please delete the Song of Solomon 12:8 reference. I didn't add it there but was quoting your 2 Samuel 12:8.
  • M. Fridy on John 1
    Why did the Lord tell David in 2 Samuel 12:8 that I would have given you such and such?
  • Chris - in Reply on Acts 17:11
    Terry, that's wonderful that you desire to help a dear one in this matter. As you know, most of the Bible gives the 'tonic' required to overcome our daily struggles in life, whether in the physical, emotional or spiritual realm. But I understand that you are actually looking for Scriptures that just demonstrate what a person goes through in life. The only real pertinent portions I can think of, relate to actual peoples' concerns & struggles within, so I offer the following:

    a. King David. In many of the his Psalms, he writes of his anguish, loneliness, fear of the enemy, his heart-cry over sin, and the guilt he struggled with because of it. We also see his huge grief in the loss of his son ( 2 Samuel 12:15-24). See also Psalms 38 & 42 for various expressions of sorrow & despair. You can see many of his other Psalms.He was well acquainted with grief.

    b. Elijah. 1 Kings 19:1-14. We see him fearing for his life as well as a lot of self-pity.

    c. Jonah. Jonah chapter 4. He is an angry man, disobedient & selfish.

    d. Job. Job 1 & 2. As you know, here is a man who lost everything: his family, servants & animals. He then was physically afflicted with boils. Chapter 3 shows some of his grief as well as other chapters as he talks with his 'friends' & God about what he is going through.

    e. Jeremiah. Also known as the weeping prophet, Jeremiah suffered from constant rejection by the people he loved and reached out to. God had called him to preach, yet forbidden him to marry and have children. He lived alone, he ministered alone, he was poor, ridiculed, and rejected by his people. In the midst of it, he displayed great spiritual faith and strength, and yet we also see his honesty as he wrestled with despair and a great sense of failure. Jeremiah 20:14-18.

    I hope that as you read these portions, & if you can read as much about the person as possible, you will learn how many of these notable folk suffered a great deal inwardly for an extended period of time.
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Matthew 7:2
    None of us on this side the grave can know exactly what awaits us, but the Bible does give some glimpses into the LORD's wonderful plan for us. I can suggest a few to consider. We know the body remains in the grave and eventually returns to the dust until resurrection day. 1 Corinthians 15 is a great study on the particulars of the resurrection. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of those that "sleep in Jesus" in order that we may be comforted. David said of his child in 2 Samuel 12:23, "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.". Jesus, in John 11:25-26, tells us that by believing in him we will never die (spiritually that is). Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 indicates a state of consciousness on the part of the deceased. In John 14, Jesus says he's going to prepare a place for us in order to receive us there to be with him. In Revelation 6:9-11, there is an interesting portrayal of martyred souls under the altar in heaven. Jude tells of Enoch's prophecy regarding the Lord's return with ten thousands of his saints.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Galatians 6:2
    Ann - this is my take and others might disagree.

    1. David had faith and stood on the promises of the Lord. (like with Goliath) He knew the Lord gave them the land

    2. He repented at his own sin and shortcomings. (Bathsheba)

    1 Samuel 17:26 And David spake to the men that stood by him, saying, What shall be done to the man that killeth this Philistine, and taketh away the reproach from Israel for who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God

    Read 2 Samuel 12

    13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. (Jesus warned us to repent many times)

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