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  • Richard H Priday - 6 months ago
    God's anger (Part 3)

    Concluding this first topic on God's attributes related to anger we also see the imprecatory Psalms; that is those Bible scriptures that plead with God for judgment to occur on our enemies. These verses sometimes are general in nature which David would say in his long struggle with Saul and those perusing Him. David is a good example for us of forgiveness in that regard; as Saul was cornered multiple times and because he was still recognized as the anointed king David didn't take the opportunity to slay him. Even at his death he mourned for him as we see in 2 Samuel 1. There was no PERSONAL vendetta here; much as there isn't with Christ who will rule and reign with justice ( Isaiah 11:3-4) but with righteousness; in other words He will work with God's direction and not let external circumstances skew the picture.

    When studying God's anger our first reaction is to understand his attitude toward gross external manifestations of sin; which surely is the state of the world today more than ever. As I said in the last post He chastises all those he loves ( Heb. 12:6). God allowed collateral damage both with David's sin with Bathsheeba ( 2 Samuel 11:3-4) and with the census ( 2 Samuel 24:12). We find it illogical why many innocent had to die in such instances but David brought wars upon himself and others and many died in the second census incident with its after affects. Therefore it is following God's precepts as to HOW to worship and heeding His warnings against sin that are crucial. Saul began his fall by trying to offer a sacrifice himself in an unauthorized procedure as a king. ( 1 Samuel 13:8-14). David didn't trust God's strength when he took the census. This was much the reason Solomon fell as well; he hoarded gold and silver and foreign women as wives all which God warned about. (see 1 Kings 1:11; Deut. 17:17). Those who He loves go through the refining fire; let us pass the test so we can rejoice at the Bema Seat (2 Cor510
  • Chris - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Page 1.

    Thanks David0921. I'm sorry that I did not address the Scriptures you gave earlier as my comment would have been too long.

    So to Revelation 13:8: "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world". I understand that the Lamb of God was to be the Sacrifice for mankind's sins, preordained/predestined even before the worlds were framed together. This verse's central point is that Jesus was brought forth as God's Lamb purely for the purpose of sacrificial death in demonstration of God's Love. Those who now under the Blood (OT & NT saints) are written in that Book of Life, otherwise referred to as the Lamb's Book of Life.

    Mark 4:33,34 & Psalm 78:2: "parables". I understand that you equate the mention of 'parable' in these references as having the same meaning. That is not always the case. The parables that Jesus spoke were simple stories people could understand & relate to, but they pointed to the intended picture of the nature of God's Kingdom (which they could not comprehend).

    The OT also had accounts given in a similar parable style (as in 2 Samuel 12:1-4; Isaiah 5:1-7; & others). But Psalm 78:2 you quoted (& in others), the Psalmist is not sharing just a story with a spiritual meaning, but some of the history of Israel which he hoped would stir the hearts & minds of his readers to learn from. So there is a difference in the meaning of 'parable', even as the Hebrew word, 'mashal' suggests, & Psalm 78:2 makes no suggestion to Jesus' use of such parables. To Page 2.
  • Pastor Ray - In Reply on Deuteronomy 25 - 8 months ago
    The Bible never says anything close to raping a woman is fine. It is definitely wrong. In 2 Samuel 13, Amnon was murdered by his half-brother for raping their sister. The sons of Jacob murdered the whole city for raping their sister Dinah in Genesis 34. Judges 19 also doesn't condone rape. Deuteronomy 22: 25 says that if a woman is raped the the man that raped her should be stoned. Now to the other topic of questioning, if a man is arguing with another man and he gets hit, it is no right for the woman to step in. Especially should she not grab a man by his man parts. The Mosaic law was very clear that sexual sin in any way would not be condoned. She committed a sexual sin by grabbing his man parts and in turn she would lose that hand for committing that sin. Jesus died on the cross for us and Paul clearly says that we are no under the law, but under grace. Jesus fulfilled the law. There is no excuse to sin because of that, but we don't cut off people's hands anymore.
  • Richard H Priday - 9 months ago
    Difficult passages in scripture: ordered extermination of children

    One of the most challenging things in the Bible is where God ordered the extermination of every man woman and child in conquest of the Promised Land. There is one fairly satisfactory reason why some were killed in this way; they were children of the union of fallen angels and women as first mentioned in Genesis 6; Nephilim which were NOT human and therefore were never to rise again; such as are indicated in Isaiah 26:14 (Rephaim in original translation). They would go to a certain part of the underworld at death.

    All other examples seem to involve human children and thus is beyond our scope of full understanding. In fact; such verses make us cringe. Only putting God's Holiness at the forefront of our trust can allow us to deal with such a difficult; painful and weighty matter. Such verses which indicate the death penalty for things which we as a "civilized society" would consider cruel (such as adultery or the example brought up in another recent post in Numbers 15:32-36 on a man being stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath) are also examples of things which in the "Age of Grace" aren't enforced today. We could say the same for National Israel when it was a Theocracy; there may be some return in the Millennium or end of the Tribulation when God conquers enemies through His people once again; but I digress.

    I would state at this juncture that there is enough scripture to indicate that the soul of a human child will NOT be sent to hell upon death- Matthew 18:10 is probably the most convincing along with the story of David's unborn child in 2 Samuel 12:23.

    There is a principle that judgment comes only when a nation is fully ripe for it; such as the case of the Amorites in Genesis 15:16; Nineveh after a respite following repentance; and in Sodom where it is entirely possible there were few if any children.

    I will continue this discussion in further posts.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Jema,

    I want to add something to my original note to you on this passage.

    The key verse in this passage that cements the understanding that David's child was "saved" is 2 Samuel 12:23.

    But now he is dead {physically dead and his body in the grave}, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him {in heaven to be with Christ when David dies physically, because that is where David's son now resides in his soul existence to await the Resurrection at the Last Day}, but he shall not return to me {in his physical body while David is still living physically}.

    This fits perfectly with what the Bible teaches about the true nature of salvation and what happens to a True Believer when they die physically.

    We can pray for physical healing for a loved one while they still have physical life, if it may be God's will to heal that person. And more importantly we may pray for spiritual healing, i.e. salvation for a loved one, if it might be God's will to save them, while they are still physically alive.

    While it was not God's will to return David's child to physical health and the baby died. God most certainly did save David's son before he died physically.

    And all of this was performed by God in accordance with His perfect plan. And the account provided for us in the Bible for our instruction.
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Hell testimonies part 3

    I would be sadly remiss if I didn't emphasize how we should fear the Lord who can send both body and soul to hell ( Matt. 10:28).

    This; in my opinion should elicit a response in the souls of all true believers; as we should be ever greatful for what He did for us on the cross; taking the punishment of God the Father on Himself for our benefit.

    What we can do now; however is be ambassadors for the truth; and allow God to make us vessels of reconciliation ( 2 Cor. 5:19).

    We cannot save anyone; but are held responsible for the death of others if we don't sound the alarm (see Ezekiel 33). Notice there that they may or may not heed the warning.

    One cannot separate the love of God for fear of the Lord; and one cannot appreciate the joys of heaven without realizing the horrors of hell they have been delivered from.

    We also have to understand predestination in that regard; if we disagree on certain aspects it is clear that in the end a certain number are saved and sadly it is only "few" according to Christ Himself. ( Luke 13:23 among other verses).

    Another thing which needs consideration is the reports of children being in hell. Matthew 18:10; as well as Matthew 21:16 tied to Psalm 8:2; and the testimony of David in 2 Samuel 12:23 should dispel this; there are other verses as well which I may elaborate on in a future posting. Those scenes where people seem baffled or confused as to what is happening to them isn't scriptural; and we also must ponder Hebrews 9:27; and understand that judgment comes first immediately after death (although before the Great White Throne one at the end of the Millennium). The punishment is justly given in different levels depending on the crime. I need to be careful here; but will say that punishment will be no more or less than deserved; more "tolerable" for some as in Matthew 11:22.

    In conclusion; God's Word should make us tremble; the subject matter should never be looked at as entertaining.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 86 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 86 (part 2). Further study in the psalm leads us to verse 9; where there is the future plan of God to have ALL nations come before God in worship and praise. This would be an allusion to the many verses indicating the Millennial rule of Christ over the remaining surviving people on the earth as well as His glorified saints ruling and reigning with Christ.

    Vsrse 11 shows the importance of the fear of the Lord; and verse 12 shows how praise with all our hearts will glorify His name forever (also see Exodus 20:3; Deut. 6:5).

    Verse 13 shows how David was delivered from the "lowest hell". We certainly can't claim that hell wasn't referred to in the Old Testament with numerous references in Psalms; Deuteronomy; Proverbs and other scriptures. Once again verse 14 shows the type of "violent men" that pursued David; on and off throughout his lifetime; some cases of which later on were a chastisement due to David's transgressions; such as 2 Samuel 12:9-12). Perhaps verse 16 referring to the son of thy handmaid means that David's mother was still alive at the tie of this writing; I am not sure.

    The Psalm ends with David reflecting on God's mercy and longsuffering characteristics. The last verse reminds us of Psalm 23 where a table is presented before our enemies ( Psalm 23:5).
  • Chris - In Reply on Esther 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Pam. As you know, those Jews that were carried away into Babylon by King Nebuchadnezzar remained there until the Persian army, under Cyrus, conquered Babylon. Cyrus was very lenient with the Jews & he gave them permission to return to their homeland. However, only a few did, and others did so over time, under Persian rule. People, like Mordecai & his cousin Hadassah (Esther), were born in captivity & only knew this Babylonian/Persian culture & the Jewish practises that were brought over by their forefathers. So, under Xerxes (Ahasuerus), the story of Mordecai & Esther is given to us. Having mentioned all that, I would think that the Jews living in Persia, who didn't want to return for various reasons (old age, loss of lifestyle/privileges, etc.), continued to perform many of the Jewish practises, as far as they were remembered. Many things would have been forgotten, abandoned, or even inter-mixed with heathen practises, but Israel still maintained their Jewish ancestry and their position before God & sought to follow His regulations.

    So, when we read of Esther's call to the Jews of Shushan the palace & her handmaidens to fast ( Esther 4:15-17), I would think that both fasting & prayer were intended (if her helpers were Jews of course). The idea of fasting for the Jew at that time, was linked to deep sense of need & dependence and/or an utter helplessness in the face of calamity (present or anticipated). Also times of mourning, repentance, or a deep spiritual need could prompt fasting & prayer. Of King David we read that he prayed & fasted over his sick child ( 2 Samuel 12:16) coupled with weeping (vv 21,22). And Daniel in Daniel 9:1-19, went a similar way before the Lord with prayer, petition, fasting, in sackcloth & ashes, over the coming destruction of Jerusalem.

    Fasting then was a particularly important act of one's seriousness & being cast before the Lord for help. Throughout the fast, this attitude of laying up the matters before God would have occurred.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I suppose this post has been up; I didn't know my opinion was of interest-seems like Gigi did an extensive one; and "ontological" is beyond my "pay grade" in terms of scientific vocabulary.

    I tried to start responding and as always my extra tabs wiped out the page. Anyway; it is somewhat heartening that you seem to know the Lord.

    Starting off here; I'm too lazy to once again get all the exact quotes. Roughly speaking I was going to say that in Psalm 139 we are said to be "fearfully and wonderfully made." In Ecclesiastes 7:29 the "uprightness" of man is mentioned but that he goes astray for "many inventions". A big point many make is about the age of accountability. I can't see how anyone is lost forever in condemnation without understanding some basic things about sin and punishment which probably begins with child rearing. David's quote about the child that died seems to indicate a certainty that he will see him someday but not until he dies ( 2 Samuel 12:23).

    Sin; death and decay (as brought up through the concept of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) really can't be explained other than it happens; much like concepts like gravity. I would say simply the spirit of a man lives foreever; whether in restored (saved) condition or lost. Man would have lived forever in an "innocent" state if he hadn't sinned. This would not have enabled him to rule and reign with Christ as we can now; nor fulfilled His plans for free agents in the spirit realm to choose to rebel or remain with Him in their "proper estate". ( Jude 1:6). Whether we understand sin as we get older we see more and more of the effects. God has designed this world to unwind; and eventually be destroyed and replaced with a new heaven and earth. Things in the sovereignty of God ( Deut. 29:29) remain there at least this side of eternity. Proverbs 25:2 states that kings have some things revealed which may suggest as "kings and priests" in Him some understanding comes. We are not God who knows all.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Predestination part 3. (eternal fate heaven or hell).

    When we are "conformed to the image of His Son" ( Romans 8:29) we see the concept of predestination and "first fruits" there; which would foreshadow a Rapture/Resurrection event. Another way to put it is that those who read the Beatitudes on a surface level or human level of understanding see a humanitarian sort of principle of for instance; how to be "peacemakers"; feed the poor; etc. ANYONE; even an atheist can do such things but it is only the Holiness of God through the Spirit after true conversion that gives us the reality of that in our souls. No amount of penance; self sacrifice or other actions can give us more of a desire for God's Holiness if it doesn't already exist in someone's soul! Nonetheless "faith without works is dead." ( James 2:17). Poducing fruit is essential for a true believer as we see with the Parable of the Sower and the seed.

    There are also various levels of suffering in hell as well as rewards in heaven. We see this in Matthew 11:20-24 with several cities in mind. Also we see this in Matthew 13:8 as to the 30 fold and 100 fold producers (also see 1 Cor. 15:41).

    I am fairly dogmatic as to those before the age of accountability not being punished for their sin NATURE since they haven't acted out the sin knowing that they are rebels against God. When we look at Romans 7:9-11; we understand this concept; and when we see the story of David and his son who died ( 2 Samuel 12:23) we see evidence of this amongst other places ( Psalm 8:2 for example).

    Another way of looking at is is the verse "we will not have this man to rule over us." ( Luke 19:14). This is what all say who go against the Man who God has given all authority to in heaven and earth ( Matt. 28:18). If we disbelieve the living Word ( Heb. 4:12 etal) then we reject His authority and preservation as well as 2 Timothy 3:16 which states all scripture is breathed of God..

    Or; Luke 10:16 rejecting you is rejecting me.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Principle 5 What about the infants; children under "age of accountability" and mentally challenged individuals?

    There are verses related to David's son that died with Bathsheeba that would seem to indicate that children who die before a certain age we can be confident to meet eventually in heaven. ( 2 Samuel 12:14). Those who are mentally challenged to the point where they don't consciously sin also could be arguably in that camp. I know someone who has attended concerts at our local church that I have run into twice in a month or two that is mentally challenged. He tends to obsessively listen to Christian music and gyrate uncontrollably. This is a good reminder to all of us that we don't always see what's going on in the heart of some people. It would be illogical to disbelieve in such individuals having universal salvation upon an early death and somehow expect that they would be Raptured. Whether making it to heaven AFTER death warrants being Raptured is a bit trickier; however. There are verses about gathering the weaning child in Joel 2:16 certainly invoke a theme like the Rapture in the Holy Convocation. We certainly should of course teach the scriptures faithfully to help rear our kids in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

    In light of the above statement; I would say that unlike the hardened hearts of many adults; children still have potential for a large spiritual awakening in terms of numerical response to the Word. That could be something that would signify His imminent return; perhaps with abortions being significantly reduced we will indeed see if Satan has been terminating an army already in heaven of faithful martyrs and if a generation of believers will come into fruition when the children are allowed to live who otherwise would have been slain. This is just a theory; but God will receive praise ( Psalm 8:2).

    Principle Six: ANY new believer is qualified for the Rapture. ( Luke 14:24-35). See my next post...
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 41 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 41. This passage of scripture; without much question refers to David's late stage illness as shown in 1 Kings 1:1-4. There are statements about God preserving those physically in their illnesses who consider the poor (verse 1). This may not be something that we consider today; but it is worth noting in places such as the USA that have up until now been affluent compared with much of the world.

    Once again as I have established a couple times with previous Psalms it would appear that David's state was due to sinful actions earlier (v. 4). As to any specific sexually transmitted disease I won't speculate. The passage following in verses 5 through 8 do show how his enemies sought out his death; and certainly that could have been due to the many wives and or concubines that David maintained; and those relations from other nations that by default would have been intertwined in these personal affairs. Secondary to this but also related is the rivalry from Absolom and other enemies that God Himself promised due to David's sin as seen in 2 Samuel 12. He was forgiven but there were consequences to his actions.

    Verse 9 certainly is a Messianic prophecy; albeit fits in with David's situation (although it is hard to tell WHO exactly it would have referred to in his case).

    The rest of the Psalm once again could have application to David and at least in a general sense to Christ in regard to victory over His enemies; and favor with God as well as His place as established in heaven at the right hand of God. (verses 10-12). It finally ends with the eternal nature of God and His blessedness.

    It probably doesn't need repeating at this point how the same themes here continue repeatedly; namely prophecies applicable to David and Christ; David's sufferings; trust in God's grace and trust in all His promises. The Hebrew phoenetic and poetic structure has to be delved into to be discovered; and the sound of the original songs sadly have not been preserved.
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Samuel 20 - 1 year ago
    Hello Dorothea. Could you clarify whether you're referring to Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah ( 2 Samuel 11:3), or to the Queen of Sheba who came to visit King Solomon ( 1 Kings 10:1)?

    Though to answer your questions, if either of these women only are being referred to, then neither were stoned or impregnated by Solomon, according to the Bible. As well, the Queen of Sheba returned to her country after her meeting with King Solomon ( 1 Kings 10:13). We're not told where the realm of Sheba is/was located, but the main choices are in modern Yemen and in Ethiopia.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 6 - 1 year ago
    There are some who think that David was afflicted with some type of venereal disease due to his many relations; and the descriptions of his sufferings in such passages. Others say it could be a bone affliction of old age such as osteoporosis. When he was dying he had care for what some would say are hypothermia. We see similar language of David's ailments in Psalm 32.

    Apparently; as verses 8 and 10 indicate; God used his enemies to humble him; which were promised due to him in 2 Samuel 12:9 and following after his downfall with Bathsheeba and causing Uriah to die. These would taunt him for the rest of his days; and also would delay the Temple of the Lord to be built because David's transgressions and whatever was meant by his being a "man of war" ( 1 Chron. 28:3). That could be a veiled reference to causing death to Uriah in war; as well as battles that resulted from enemies that came after him due to his own sin.

    God did chasten David as he states in verse 1. David surely was a saint of God; as we see from Hebrews 11:32. His broken and contrite spirit as seen in Psalm 51 allowed him to repent as he did many times; admitting his sin. Hopefully; since all scripture is for instruction ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17) we will avoid certain costly sins in our lives as things are written for examples to us in how to live.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Dara Susan. In 2 Samuel 18:21-33, the 'Cushi' mentioned there was a messenger of Joab (David's military commander). In Hebrew, this name appears 'as one who is descended from Cush, hence 'Cushi'). And you can see the name Cush in Genesis 10:6-8 (a son of Ham, the son of Noah). So in the 2 Samuel reference, Joab calls to the Cushi, or the Cush-ite, without stating his name. Maybe, because of his origins & his lower position before Joab, first names weren't used, as was done for Ahimaaz who also wanted to take the message of Absalom's death to David. So the meaning of 'Cush' is unknown, maybe because it was an area of the Nile delta in Egypt.
  • Dara susan - 1 year ago
    what is the meaning of Cushi in 2 Samuel 18 story
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 4 - 1 year ago
    As with Psalm 3; we see David in a time of distress; as well as knowing how to rest in the Lord (verse 4 and 8). Verse 5 seems to indicate a similar stance to Psalm 51 in terms of a "broken and contrite spirit" as a proper attitude of worship. 2 Samuel 16:5-14 shows Shimei cursing David. This among other experiences of his enemies could result in the sentiments in verse 6.

    We could also see the concept of election in verse 3 where "God sets apart him that is godly for himself."... The contrast of God's people and his enemies is seen throughout not just Psalms but all scriptures. As with the rest of the Bible David shows patience and kindness towards his enemies; patiently enduring Saul's 21 attempts to kill him; as well as the above example with Shimei. Other enemies God uses to chastise him eventually in some cases are dealt with by Solomon when they step out of line ( 1 Kings 2:29). Absolom also had to be dealt with; but David was grieved at his death (he had to congratulate the armies of Israel or they may have been disgraced so he had to compose himself after the event).

    Whether it was his own sin (such as the Bathsheeba incident; or taking the census for the wrong reasons) or those where he was innocently targeted (such as with the madman Saul); David knew how to seek God; or at least listened to the voice of the prophet Nathan. Probably the emphasis of him being a "man after God's own heart" ( 1 Samuel 13:14) was that he never forgot his humble beginnings as a shephard (see Psalm 23). Solomon; sadly got caught up in accumulating many things and ignored God's clear warnings; hence he was the last great King to rule over both houses of Israel before the Kingdom was rent and went into exile. Nonetheless; the lineage of the Messiah would be fulfilled.
  • Ronnette - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The book of Jasher was mentioned 2X as in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18

    The rest in my opinion are all pagan book. The KJV Bible is enough information for us to go to heaven. Read many comments here and many will give you their own opinion and interpretations. It is up to individual to do the study 2 Timothy 2:15-16..
  • THE CUSTOM OF FEET WASHING and JESUS - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The Old Testament references ( Genesis 18:4; 19:2; 24:32; 43:24; Judges 19:21; 1 Samuel 25:41; 2 Samuel 11:8; Song of Solomon 5:3; Psalms 58:10) show that the washing of the feet was the first act on entering the tent or house after a journey. The Orientals wore only sandals, and this washing was refreshing as well as cleanly. In the case of ordinary people, the host furnished the water, and the guests washed their own feet, but in the richer houses, the washing was done by a slave. It was looked upon as the lowliest of all services ( 1 Samuel 25:41). Jesus pointedly contrasts Simon's neglect of even giving Him water for His feet with the woman's washing His feet with tears and wiping them with her hair ( Luke 7:44). On the last evening of His life, Jesus washed the disciples' feet ( John 13:1-16). Their pride, heightened by the anticipations of place in the Messianic kingdom whose crisis they immediately expected, prevented their doing this service for each other. Possibly the same pride had expressed itself on this same evening in a controversy about places at table. Jesus, conscious of His divine dignity and against Peter's protest, performed for them this lowliest service. His act of humility actually cleansed their hearts of selfish ambition, killed their pride, and taught them the lesson of love.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    There are verses such as "absent from the body is present with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:8); and others where Jesus says He isn't the God of the dead but the living ( Mark 12:27). There is mention of souls under the altar in Revelation ( Rev. 6:9-11) and the transfiguration; as well as David stating that he would not see his dead son come to him but he would go to him ( 2 Samuel 12:23). When the Rapture comes; then there will be a reuniting of souls with bodies when the dead saints are raised; then we who are alive are changed into Resurrection bodies without death ( 1 Cor. 15:51-52). The final Great White Throne judgment is for those who are in hades or what is now called hell; who are judged according to their works then thrown in the lake of fire. From my undestanding of eschatology; there could very well be those who physically survive the Millenium period and ARE written in the Book of Life.

    There is more that can be said; but I felt that the focus should be on how NOW we can recognize through Christ and the new man in us what will exist someday in eternity by the power of the Holy Spirit. If we are saved; then we are new creatures; and although we see darkly as through a glass; we get a taste of things to come ( 1 Cor. 13:12). We are already spiritually "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:1-9). We become hearers of His voice; and start to sense His presence; and have the "mind of Christ" ( 1 Cor. 2:16). He has given us good works to do which no doubt will continue in heaven in some form as we are all uniquely created.

    Scripture simply doesn't allow for an nihilism in any way; verses differentiate between the word "qeber" for the body in the grave and "sheol" which is the state of the soul in the O.T. after death. Now; we can go immediately into God's presence; so Satan no longer has power over our souls to keep them under the earth in the paradise part of sheol anymore HEBREWS 2:14-15! Perfect love casts out fear ( 1 John 4:18).
  • Anthony Mazio - In Reply - 1 year ago
    'There is more Scripture objectively condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy.

    1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

    2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

    3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

    4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

    5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

    6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

    7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

    8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

    9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

    10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.

    11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

    12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

    13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

    14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

    15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.

    16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord's anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

    17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

    18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

    19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

    20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.

    21) Proverbs 23:29-30 -
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Numbers 5 - 1 year ago
    NIV apparently indicates that her "womb will miscarry" while other versions seem to indicate just a physical condition making childbirth impossible. In either case; after that point physical malady occurs. This penalty is no more severe than that of David when he sinned committing adultery with Bathsheeba then summarily sending her husband Uriah to his death deliberately being put on the front lines of battle. ( 2 Samuel 12; also see Psalm 51). The sin of adultery was a capital offense as well as murder so only the grace of God could supersede this. In the case of the woman mentioned in Numbers; there was no proof corroborated beyond the husband's suspicions (2 or more witnesses were needed to enact punishment). Therefore; the Lord used this method to determine supernaturally guilt or innocence. We see with David's child as well as in this hypothetical case that surely occurred with real life examples that a child would die as the result of God's judgment for behavior of someone else. This is different than man's arbitrary decision to terminate life and peculiar to the Jews. The soul of the child was never in question here; but it shows how the sin of one can affect others; and we can't pretend to understand all of God's ways.

    Again; this showed the seriousness of God's covenant marriage relationship. It says nothing of how someone not engaged who commits fornication would be treated; other scriptures state that a man should marry a virgin in that instance; and there are other verses that say he must stay married if he finds nothing appealing in a wife (we see Leah having more kids to prove that point). Since adultery was a capital punishment; then by default sadly if she was already conceiving a child it would become part of the "collateral damage".

    We should see from this the seriousness of marriage and how it holds the framework of a society together. God used this concept of a Theocracy with His chosen people in that dispensation.
  • Frances - In Reply on 1 Kings 2 - 1 year ago
    King David had promised Solomon would be king upon his death. See 2 Samuel 15. King David made the promise to Bathsheba. Adonijah attempts to have himself anointed king trying to usurp the right of Solomon. That is why Solomon is not invited to the feast. He clearly understood his actions. This action suggests that he is someone who will cause great problems for Solomon in the future. Solomon forgives him provided he would abide by the restrictions. Solomon told him he would allow him to live if he showed himself to be a worthy man. However, after the death of King David, Adonijah goes to Bathsheba asking for Abishag from David's harem which could be seen as an affront to Solomon's authority. In first Kings chapter 2 you will see that Solomon obviously understood this. He would always have conflict throughout his reign as king if he did not settle the problem of Adonijah
  • Chris - In Reply on 2 Samuel 18 - 1 year ago
    That's possible Mark, though I believe that 2 Samuel 18:7,8 refers more to the 'wooded areas' or countryside. As the battle was in "the wood of Ephraim" (v6) & "scattered over the face of the country" (v8), it seems more likely that factors such as hunger, thirst, exhaustion, wild beasts, etc. may have taken their toll on the men, more so than the sword or arrow.
  • Ronnette - In Reply - 1 year ago
    My Brother in Christ Larry B:

    Psalms 32:2 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

    Romans 4:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

    Romans 4:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    1 Samuel 22:15 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Did I then begin to enquire of God for him? be it far from me: let not the king impute any thing unto his servant, nor to all the house of my father: for thy servant knew nothing of all this, less or more.

    2 Samuel 19:19 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.
  • Ronnette Part 7 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jeremiah 3:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

    2 Timothy 1:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    Romans 1:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Isaiah 50:7 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.

    Zechariah 13:4 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

    2 Samuel 10:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    When they told it unto David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed: and the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return.

    Psalms 109:28 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be ashamed; but let thy servant rejoice.

    Psalms 127:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

    2 Corinthians 10:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
  • Ronnette Part 5 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Isaiah 30:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They were all ashamed of a people that could not profit them, nor be an help nor profit, but a shame, and also a reproach.

    2 Samuel 19:3 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And the people gat them by stealth that day into the city, as people being ashamed steal away when they flee in battle.

    Hebrews 2:11 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

    Isaiah 33:9 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    The earth mourneth and languisheth: Lebanon is ashamed and hewn down: Sharon is like a wilderness; and Bashan and Carmel shake off their fruits.

    1 John 2:28 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

    Micah 3:7 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.

    Ezekiel 36:32 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

    Hebrews 11:16 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

    Genesis 2:25 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

    Job 6:20 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    They were confounded because they had hoped; they came thither, and were ashamed.

    Isaiah 20:5 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

    And they shall be afraid and ashamed of Ethiopia their expectation, and of Egypt their glory.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Dora. We do see the Book of Jasher mentioned a couple of times in the Bible ( 2 Samuel 1:18 & Joshua 10:13), but as far as I can gather, the original writings have long been lost. Now, there have been several productions/translations made, & especially a false one in the 1700s AD, but all these have been highly suspect.

    Reasons given: since the original manuscripts/copies aren't available, those who included certain books in the Bible were hesitant to include a book that only found proof in spurious writings. From the productions that are available, certain errors were found, being incompatible with the rest of Scripture (just as the OT & NT apocryphal writings were treated): chronological errors (i.e. matters of dates of writing or events) & suspect events (e.g. snow falling pre-Flood).

    Some new NT writers also took quotes from extra-biblical sources (e.g. Paul quoted from a Cretian prophet (Epimenidus) in Titus 1:9-14; & also in Acts 17:28 (a Grecian poet); Colossians 4:16 (epistle from Laodicea - not found); 2 Timothy 3:8 and Jude 9 (from the Assumption of Moses - not included); and many more. So we see that references were made to certain 'other' books (whether true of false in content), but done so to strengthen the argument & to also gain a 'listening ear' from those opposed to the Gospel. I've often quoted from the Qur'an when speaking to Muslims, not to give support to their book, but to help gain their 'ear' to the declaration of Christ who is perfectly understood only in the Bible. Some may disagree with this, but it is an acceptable method (as seen in the Bible) when sharing across religions & cross culture.

    So, the Book of Jasher was not intentionally hidden from us, but it was deemed unworthy to be included in the Bible, since the original production was not available, & the only ones available were spurious. But if deemed necessary, one could quote from it (& others) prudently to assist & strengthen the discussion.
  • What Psalm 5:5 means - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Meaning of Psalm 5:5

    According to this verse, the boastful will not stand in God's presence. Those who praise themselves instead of God will not stand in God's presence. Psalm 1:5 mentions this fact too. It says, "the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous." Absalom, whom David was fleeing, was boastful and arrogant ( 2 Samuel 15:1-6).

    Second Samuel 15:4 reports that he would say, "Oh that I were judge in the land! Then every man with a dispute or cause might come to me, and I would give him justice." Jesus told the story of a proud Pharisee who went to the temple and boasted about his self-righteousness but was rejected by God ( Luke 18:9-14). Jesus said, "Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled" ( Luke 18:14).

    Scripture tells us God hates all evildoers (see also Psalm 11:5). The word "hate" may seem harsh, but we must try to understand how abhorrent evil is in God's eyes. Murderers, liars, and deceivers such as those who wanted to destroy David are totally detestable to God and therefore merit His righteous, holy hatred.

    Mishael
  • THE STORY OF TAMAR-for those who asked about her - 1 year ago
    2 Samuel 13

    David loved God, loved his family and loved his country. He was vulnerable through his deep love for all.

    Amnon had a dirty old uncle encourage him to pursue Tamar (Absalom's sister). The uncle tells him what to do. Tamar tried to reason with him that as half sister, David might give her as a wife. Amnon only wanted what he'd been whipped into a frenzy for. After the rape, he didn't want anything to do with her. Nobody told David about it. David did not know what was going on, in his own household but he found out. He was angry at Absalom.

    Tamar went to live in Absalom's house; in seclusion. Absalom simmered in anger 2 years before he dealt with Amnon.

    Tamar is shown in David's genealogy; which is unusual.

    Absalom was married? It's recorded he had 3 sons that must have died at birth because they are not in the genealogy. He had 1 daughter and he named her Tamar too. She was a woman of fair countenance like her Aunt Tamar. I don't know how long she lived.

    Absalom did many many evil things. He raped all of his fathers concubines in full sight of town; and more. 2 Samuel 15

    Abdalom died hanging in a tree by his long beautiful dreadlocks. Joab is fetched and he stabs Absalom in the heart with 3 arrows; the troops with him smote and slew him afterwards.

    To conclude: the better question is what happened to Absalom's 1 daughter, that he named Tamar. Females were not in genealogies as a rule.

    I think David's daughter Tamar died of a broken messed up life. I think In honor of her suffering, Absalom named his daughter Tamar, also. There is no record of the end of her life.

    Galatians 3:13 says, CURSED is any who dies by hanging on a tree. Absalom died on a tree. Judas died on a tree. Jesus died on a tree so that WE ALL MAY LIVE ETERNALLY.

    David's psalms represent a lot of heartache over his life, his kids, his choices. He loved large.


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