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  • Streetpreacher - in Reply on Mark 9
    I don't see anything humorous about it. We're being warned we are about to fall into a ditch. I find Jesus's teachings, serious, on target and kinda fatherly. Not many people remember the old saying, "Little pitchers have big ears."

    What does Mark 9:43 mean?

    Jesus' words about a vague sin committed by a concrete body part parallels how scholars at that time spoke of concrete sins committed by an abstract body part, such as the heart. In Jesus' manner of speaking, the emphasis is placed on the choice, the action, and the responsibility of the perpetrator. The "hand" is a metaphor for the way in which the heart may lead the person to do something sinful. [like don't send your 5yr old into the house to get daddy another beer]

    The transition from Jesus' warning about causing others to sin in verse 42 is not as abrupt as it appears. Just as our heart may cause our hand to commit a sinful act, so it may cause a child or a younger Christian to commit a sinful act. Both require that we take serious steps to prevent our hearts from sinning.

    The term translated as "hell" in English is literally tn geennan. This is a reference to the Valley of Hinnom, the dump outside of Jerusalem where animal carcasses and other waste was burned. During the times of the worst idolatry in Israel, parents sacrificed their children to Molech by placing them in glowing-hot metal statues ( Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5; 32:35). Good king Josiah tore down the altars and dedicated the valley to the burning of offal ( 2 Kings 23:10).

    To "enter life" doesn't refer to being born. As "hell" means eternal punishment, "life" means eternal paradise for those who are saved by Christ. Jesus isn't giving a detailed description of eternity, here. Like in Matthew 5, He's illustrating how impossible it is to keep from sinning. Our resurrected bodies will not reflect the hardships we experienced in this life. Paul describes our new bodies as imperishable, glorified, and empowered ( 1 Corinthians 15:42-49)
  • Brother Ron - in Reply on 1 Chronicles 26
    according to Easton's Bible Dictionary, Parbar is a place apparently connected with the Temple. in 2 Kings 23:11 a space between the Temple wall and the wall of the court; an open portico into which the chambers of the official persons opened
  • How We Turn Around a Nation to Truth
    Scriptures pertaining to modern day practice of child sacrifice or, abortion.

    2 Kings 23:10

    Leviticus 20:4

    1 Kings 11:7

    Leviticus 20:3

    Leviticus 18:21

    Leviticus 20:5

    Leviticus 20:2

    Jeremiah 32:35

    Hosea 4:6

    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    Proverbs 28:27

    He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

    James 1:5

    If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives [wisdom] to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    COMMENT:

    We do not need to be angry or go on a rampage. We do need to repent on behalf of ignorance as a nation. Intercede; stand in the gap. Ask the Lord to open all hearts of mercy to heal this curse. We can't fix it, but the Lord can. We only open the gate for the healing to begin. Mishael
  • Richard H Priday on Deuteronomy 30
    This chapter is a continuation of the exhortations of the promises of cursing for turning away from God; and to a lesser extent of the volume of the text; the promise of blessings for obedience. There is always opportunity while one lives; even when disbursed to the "outer parts of heaven" (v. 4) for making things right with the Lord; and this indeed is his promise to Israel.

    This passage contains the famous "free will" passage about choosing life (v. 19). It reminds us of Joshua's statement "as for me and my household; we shall serve the Lord ( Joshua 24:15). For the chosen nation; it is hard to separate the transgressions of individuals from eventual exile of both Judah and Israel. God; in His foreknowledge knew of course that all these rebellions would come to pass. Again; such preaching today certainly wouldn't be very popular. It is hard to say how much of today's calamities in society are due to sin and the curses on a nation; as the warning Christ had in His time about the tower of Siloam. ( Luke 13:1-5). However; it is clear that all of creation is groaning at present. The law can never save us; but these passages are talking about the 1st Commandment primarily; leading of course to all other sources of sin and rebellion if any other "gods" are venerated. This allows; for instance the fornications that idol worship invokes; the murder of the unborn warned about time and time again in scripture when children were "put through the fire" ( 2 Kings 23:10) and numerous other passages are examples of two other resulting transgressions against the Ten Commandments resulting from turning from the living God.

    Again; verse 11 and the next couple verses show that there is sufficient words from the Lord to make clear how to be obedient; Deut. 29:29 in other words doesn't indicate that He is hiding this sort of vital information. We only truly BELIEVE these as well as ANY other scriptural admonitions if we have the Spirit of God.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother David:

    Matthew 5:25 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not thy whole body cast into GEHENNA (translated hell).

    When Jesus was on earth Gehenna was the dump ground for Jerusalem where all the trash, garbage and bodies of dead criminals was dumped. It was on fire to DESTROY. Worms were there eating the dead flesh. As long as there was new fuel being dumped there, the worms never died nor was the fire ever quenched. It's a city park now, the is no longer worms or a fire.

    Jesus was using Gehenna as an analogy, not something literal. If Jesus meant for you to take it literally, why aren't you missing eyes, hands and feet, that you have cut off and plucked out, to stay out of HELL.

    Matthew 5:30

    Matthew 10:28

    Matthew 23:15

    Matthew 23:33

    Mark 9:43

    Mark 9:45

    Mark 9:47

    Luke 12:5

    Matthew 5:22

    Matthew 18:9

    James 3:6

    All the verses have GEHENNA translated as HELL

    Here are the scriptures in the Old testament that refer to Hinnom.

    Nehemiah 11:30

    Joshua 15:8

    Joshua 18:16

    2 Kings 23:10

    2 Chronicles 28:3

    2 Chronicles 33:6

    Jeremiah 7:31

    Jeremiah 7:32

    Jeremiah 19:2

    Jeremiah 19:6

    Jeremiah 32:35

    None of the scriptures have anything to do with the CHRISTIAN HELL.
  • David - in Reply
    Hi Billy With all due respect I see in scripture where christ runs the church and the gates of hell won't prevail against it. In the old testament I believe a eight year old child became king [Josiah ]and they found the scrolls in the temple when he was 26 years of age, when they read the laws God wrote Josiah put on sack clothe and ashes knew how far out the kingdom was ask Gods forgiveness then cleaned house. In 2 Kings 23:1-25 shows all the things he did to clean house. My point is there are women that Paul acknowledge there faith one raised timothy the next spiritual leader they weren't just nobodies then we come to mary who probably wasn't 18 years old when the angel appears and tells her she will be mother to the Son of God, and with meekness says and by the way she wasn't full of fear curiosity yep but no fear, then says be it unto me according to thy word, I like to meet more men like that with that kind of pure heart and believing. P.S. Also I'm married to a remarkable Woman of God she's indeed my spiritual backbone. Food for Thought.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 31
    In reference to Laban's idols, apparently they were not as rare an occurrence that might be supposed. The word in Hebrew for 'image' in Genesis 31:19 is 'terapim', or 'teraphim'. And there have been evidences of their possession by the 'God-fearing' (see Judges 17:5 (Micah); 1 Samuel 19:13 (Michal); Hosea 3:4 (Israel)). They're often connected with the 'ephod' & 'urim', so one could suppose that in the absence of the urim & ephod (which were used to learn God's Mind & direction to take), that the teraphim were kept by some to do likewise. So the teraphim (also referred to as 'gods' - Genesis 31:30), were probably not used so much for worship, but in some way to look into the future or for impartation of household blessing. Though the use of idols, images, etc. were condemned ( 2 Kings 23:24), images & teraphim apparently were still kept as a 'rabbit's foot' in households.

    Now the fact that Rachel stole her father's teraphim is interesting. Either she wanted to rid them from his house as worthless idols or maybe fearing that they might have some impact on alerting Laban as to where Jacob & his family had fled to, she took them to prevent that happening. Or yet, she may have wanted to take something to remember her father by (no photos in those days) or even to take something of value ( Genesis 31:14,15). By her hiding them (obviously they were very small objects) under the camel's accoutrements, indicates that she held little value to them as objects of worship, or else she wouldn't be sitting on them. But one could be justifiably concerned that Rachel might have given those teraphim some undeserved regard.
  • WHAT ABORTION IS and WHY GOD HATES IT
    Moloch, also spelled Molech, a Canaanite deity associated in biblical sources with the practice of CHILD SACRIFICE. The name derives from combining the consonants of the Hebrew melech (king) with the vowels of boshet (shame), the latter often being used in the O.T. as a variant name for the popular god Baal.

    In the Hebrew Bible, Moloch is presented as a foreign deity who was at times illegitimately given a place in Israel's worship as a result of the policies of certain apostate kings. The laws given to Moses by God expressly forbade the Jews to do what was done in Egypt or in Canaan. YOU SHALL NOT give any of your children to devote them by fire to Moloch, and so profane the name of God ( Leviticus 18:21). Yet kings such as Ahaz ( 2 Kings 16:3) and Manasseh ( 2 Kings 21:6), having been influenced by the Assyrians, are reported to have worshipped Moloch at the hilled site of Topheth, outside the walls of Jerusalem. This site flourished under Manasseh's son King Amon but was destroyed during the reign of Josiah, the reformer. "And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom, that no one might burn his son or his daughter as an offering to Moloch" ( 2 Kings 23:10).

    Leviticus 20: 2-5

    Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed (children) unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against THAT MAN and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.

    And IF THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND IN ANY WAY HIDE THEIR EYES from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:

    Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a WHORING after him, to to commit whoredom with Molech.

    Mishael
  • To Walter concerning commitment - in Reply
    Those 2 words are not in the King James Bible. You can verify by using THE SEARCH BOX.

    The word you will find in the Bible is COVENANT. It's stronger than the other two words.

    John Chapter 16:7

    7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Examples of COVENANT

    Ezekiel 16:60

    Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

    Genesis 17:13

    He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

    Leviticus 26:42

    Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

    2 Kings 23:3

    And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.
  • Chris - in Reply on 2 Kings 23
    2 Kings 23:1 doesn't have that phrase in there - maybe you're thinking of verses 4 & 5. If so, the 'host of heaven' meant the sun, moon, planets & stars that Judah began worshipping. They had gone away from the Lord & behaved as the heathen around them did, worshipping in the groves & burning incense to Baal.
  • Jacqueline Collier on 2 Kings 23
    who is considered the "Host of Heaven" 2 Kings 23 chap first verse
  • Bob Hilt on Jeremiah 49:3
    Bill sometimes those words meaning Lord or King is associated with satanism.

    Baal meant Lord and was so associated with satanism the Lord said not to call him that anymore.

    Judges 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

    Judges 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Baalberith their god.

    Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: (CHILD SACRIFICES)

    Hosea 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.

    1 Kings 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

    2 Kings 23:13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.

    What is this "original Hebrew" stuff? Do you want to call the God of Heaven a name associated with Devils?
  • Chris - in Reply on Jeremiah 2:16
    Angela, from research, I've learned that Noph & Tahapanes were cities in Egypt; afterwards called Memphis (for Noph) & Alcairo, or Grand Cairo (for Tahapanes). At the time of Jeremiah, these cities were allies with Israel & in whom Israel put their trust when attacked. However, something happened in this alliance & these Egyptian cities turned against Israel (it may have happened when Pharoahnecho, king of Egypt went to war against the king of Assyria, & Judah's king Josiah went to help but instead was killed & his son Jehoahaz was eventually taken captive to Egypt after being temporarily crowned. You can read it in 2 Kings 23:29-35).

    So that these Egyptian cities "have broken the crown off thy head", refers to Pharoahnecho's slaying of Judah's king & making Israel subservient to Egypt.


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