Do you believe that the will of the Father and the will of the Son are always the same or different?
Jesus was obedient to the Father, Jesus said many times it is not His will but the will of the Father who sent Him, the same as we are to do, John 4:34John 5:30Mark 3:35.
Do you believe that a human being can truly save all men from sin and death by a perfect life in their own will?
First, I will have to say it was the will of the Father, Jesus at the end even asked His father if there was another way but not Jesus's will but the will of His Father, Matthew 26:39Luke 22:42. We are told this is the foundation of our faith, Jesus' sacrificial death. God cannot die God is Spirit He has no blood to shed for sin it had to be a man, His Son, born of a woman.
John 3:16 God gave His Son not Himself 1 John 2:221 John 4:32 John 1:7Romans 5:82 Corinthians 5:21, God cannot be made sin, 1 Corinthians 15:17 Jesus died, and God raised Him from the dead, the first man to live a perfect life, the first fruits of those who sleep in death. 1 Corinthians 15:14 as said if Jesus was not a man who lived a perfect life and died and was raised from the dead all is vain.
The first Adam was the first man Jesus was the last Adam and the second man, 1 Corinthians 15:45-47. 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. The law had to be fulfilled by a man.
How would a human being know that they are the Messiah from birth and thus know not to ever sin?
As we see Luke 2:51-52 Jesus grew up increasing in wisdom and stature in favor with God and man. Jesus was twelve years old and He knew His father was God, but it doesn't say Jesus knew then He was to be the Messiah. God also said He would raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, Deuteronomy 18:15, Isaiah 11:1-5Isaiah 61:1-2 confirmed in Luke 4:18-21. Romans 1:1-42 Timothy 2:8.
Thank you again, from my heart, the truth is my search not to offend. It all goes back to one verse when I read it, it stood out in my heart, Corinthians 11:4. I know I am alone here on this, but saying Jesus is part of the Triune God, who eternally exists and expresses himself as three distinct persons with one essence all three co-equal. One God in three persons-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This to me denies the Son, 1 John 2:23
What I see in the Bible is the relationship between the Father and the Son, the Son is obedient to the Father. Jesus said His Father is greater than Him, John 14:28. Jesus has said the Father is His God, John 20:17Revelation 3:12.
The Bible defines God's nature as eternal and unchanging; there is only one throne of God and through the Bible, only the Father is on the throne until the Father raised His Son from the dead and placed Him on His right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, there is nothing about the Holy Spirit.
As we see in Revelation Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple and the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof, Rev. 21:22-23 no Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, not another person.
Jesus confirmed there is only one true God, Mark 12:28-34, in Jesus's prayer to His Father said in John 17:3. All the greetings in the New Testament are from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:3Ephesians 6:231 Thessalonians 1:12 Timothy 1:2Titus 1:42 John 1:3 and more but no Holy Spirit.
If the Trinity true and is so important, why is it not once taught in Scripture? God cannot change and God cannot die, so how do we understand John 3:16 if God the Father did not send his actual begotten Son to die for our sins? We see Jesus also had His own will, Luke 22:42.
To avoid them, you have to know who they are. You can't avoid somebody if you don't know who they are. This idea of identifying and avoiding shows up in
1 Corinthians 5:11;
2 Thessalonians 3:6,
2 Thessalonians 3:14;
2 Timothy 3:5;
2 John 1:10.
In other words, Christians, and shepherds in particular, should be discerning and alert to behavior and teaching that dishonors Christ and destroys people - and not treat it in a casual or harmless way.
And then in 1 Timothy 5:19-20, Paul went beyond just "avoid them" to "rebuke them publicly." So, speaking of elders who persist in error, he said, "Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin" - and that can be sin of false doctrine or sin of evil behavior, anyone who does not accept correction - "rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.."
And then Paul went on and actually named destructive false teachers:
"Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me" 2 Timothy 4:10.
You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes" 2 Timothy 1:15.
"By rejecting this [faith and a good conscience], some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander" 1 Timothy 1:19-20.
"Their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus" ( 2 Timothy 2:17).
Paul names at least six false teachers that the church should watch out for.
So, I infer from Jesus and Paul and Luke and John that false teaching and destructive behavior are present dangers in this fallen world for the church. And all of us - especially shepherds, pastors - should be alert and discerning to identify and, in appropriate ways, expose. In order to protect the flock, we should expose them and minimize the spread of the gangrene (as Paul calls it).
This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:101 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3Eph. 1:17Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-81 Cor. 1:3-41 John 1:32 John 1:32 Cor. 1:2-3Gal. 1:3-4Eph. 1:2-3Phil. 1:2Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4Philemon 1:32 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
What does it mean to believe? What is the evidence that we believe? As Paul said, it is like running a race, when we start this race, we believe we are going to finish, and with God's Spirit we have all the determination and motivation we are not only going to finish this race we are going to win this race.
We are saved! We are being saved! We shall be saved! When we start, are all our sins forgiven, our past, present, and our future sins the moment we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and are baptized? Is our salvation guaranteed and we cannot lose it or fall out of grace regardless?
We are saved. Eph. 2:5 When we accept the gospel and are baptized our sins are blotted out, Isaiah 44:22Acts 3:19 and we become a child/son/daughter of God, John 1:12 we are justified, made righteous by the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and now we begin a relationship through God's Spirit, and God and Jesus abide in us, 2 John 1:9. This is the start of the race, the beginning of our salvation.
We are being saved. Philippians 1:6 Hearing the Word one believes and is baptized into Christ they are made clean (justification) the work of grace, and the Lord will continue working in us until He returns if we abide in Him John 15:3-5. How does God complete his good work in us? Testing James 1:2-4, chastising Heb. 12:6-7 Our relationship. If we abide in Him, Jesus, and God abides in us. The branches bear the fruit of the vine, the vine produces the fruit not us/branch, sanctification. We are running the race Philippians 2:12
We shall be saved. Redemption and glorification. Our full salvation comes at the end, when Jesus returns. Luke 21:28 "being now justified" We started the race. We are being saved, "being reconciled" we are running the race, 2 Cor. 5:18. We shall be saved at the end of the race. Romans 13:11.
I've been reading the comments concerning the word of God, the Bible.
It appears that y'all have come to a conclusion that the Scriptures are to be the rule & guide of a Christian life, or at least finally stated this conclusion. Friends, no its not!
The Guide & Rule of a Christian life is not the Scriptures, but the Spirit, that gave forth the Scriptures
Jesus said, John 16:13, He didn't say the letter would lead us into all truth, but the Spirit. 1John 2:272Pet 1:3
Rom 8:14; not the letter, but led by the Spirit are the sons & daughters of God
Psalms 143:10Gal 4:10Rom 8:16Rom 8:9
Friends, you who are fermented on the Scriptures, do you not hear what the letters has to say?
2Cor 3:61Cor 2:9-13Rev 2:7,11Rev 2:29 etc;
Jesus was made like unto us in all things, & is our Example, its recorded in Scriptures John 7:15 was not taught by man, but taught & lead by God Spirit John 5:192Cor 5:19,20Rom 8:11 & was made 1Cor 15:45 to all that will receive Him in Spirit.
John the Baptist, was in the wilderness unto the day of his appearing; Luke 1:80 it is written Luke 3: 2 John 1:33 the Spirit of God came to him, taught him & empowered him for the life & ministry chosen for him from the foundation of the world.
The same principle applies to us this day, God has not change, He works the same way He always has & that's by His Spirit.
As I stated previously the Scripture true glory & honor are they give us a true testimony of Christ & point to Him who did return as He promised, & that in Spirit. The Scriptures are very profitable indeed when honor for which they were given forth. The NT is the administration of the Spirit 2Cor 3:8
Paul says Philippians 1:19 The Spirit of Christ is what lead him & taught him all that we read of in his writing. He counted all the knowledge & understanding that he previously attain to & live as Dung, Philippians 3:5-8 compare to the experiential knowledge John 5:17 he received from Holy Spirit. 1John 4:6 do you hear Him?
Sorry brother did not see your last post. I know we differ on this, as long as we inspire each other to study both sides we are doing ok. I feel the word antichrist has been used so many times having people looking for the wrong thing. This beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 17:8 we don't know what he will look like, the man of sin.
The word antichrist is not in Revelation, and where we see it in 1 John 2:18,221 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 all are describing people or the spirit of antichrist, deceivers not a beast. There has been people from the time Jesus ascended claiming to be the Messiah and will deliver them from Roman oppression up to revolts before 70 AD. There was one in Acts 21:38 and some others and probably some today.
2 Thessalonians 2:4, which says this beast will exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Above God, or whatever people all over this world worship, this will be a world event for people of all religions. I agree the deception will be great and he may appear to many as Christ or what or who other people worship. I am sure many will accept him as the Christ.
In Revelation, we have Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and fallen angels on this earth, all working against God, Jesus, and all who have faith in them, it will not be a pleasant time. From the time Satan and his angels are cast down to earth and Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast I only see 3.5 years not 7. And I do not see anyone taken out only the second coming of Jesus. 7 years only comes from Daniel 9 whether that turns out to be true or false. Hope this makes some sense.
If one decide to minister on this site he has the freedom to do so.
If one decide not to minister he has the freedom to do so.
If one decide to treat this community as a round table he has that freedom and if one takes the word of God to be handed serious he had that freedom.
Freedom goes on and if it's freedom you want, give it and expect it from everyone including me.
I'm not giving my opinion, I'm repeating what they have literally said out their own mouth!
If the accusation is false that's one thing but if it's true and is as easy as asking them, feel freely to do so.
In other words ask them directly and they should tell you directly that which they have said "We will be Gods and the Gospel which we preach is man made.
If it don't bother you when they say it don't let it bother you when I repeat it.
This is a King James site and what's written in it tells us to mark such a person.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17.
Galatians 1:8-9.
Titus 3:10.
2 John 1:10-11.
Sometimes it's easier to know what the bible says than to do what it says.
Are you saying you better than Judas, and you are not a son of perdition.
If the son of perdition is describing a single antichrist; then the antichrist was Judas, and the antichrist has already come; IF 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ....the son of predition is also describing antichrist; then there would be 2 antichrist.
The son of perdition is describing all the antichrist, NOT JUST ONE.
2 John 1:7 ....ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW there are many ANTICHRIST ----sons of perdition ---
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceiver you by any means: for THAT DAY --- 2 Thessalonians 2:8 ---the day the lord consumes you ---destroys YOU --- the son of perdition --- with the brightness of HIS COMING ---his PRESENCE IN YOU ---and there first must come a FALLING AWAY ---what have you got to fall away from ----- your deception ---- an repent of what you believe --- the son of perdition is not someone else IT'S YOU ---- it's any person reading God's word --- the word's of God are for whoever is reading those words --- it's about revealing the KINGDOM to the person reading.
If you judge yourself by GOD'S WORD, you want be judged with the world.
Antichrist is any and everything that isn't Christ --- the word of God --- all the beliefs contrary to God's word.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who CONFESS NOT Jesus is COME in the FLESH, this is a deceiver and an a antichrist.
Have you confessed that Christ is come, by HIS resurrection, and now lives IN YOU --- YOUR flesh ---- or are you still deceived and an antichrist needing to have your carnal mind destroyed.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU (your flesh) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Are YOU:
2 Thessalonians 2:4 ... so that he (the son of perdition) sitteth in the temple of God ---- YOUR the temple of God ----so whose on the throne ---Christ, or the son of perdition ----If it's YOU then get back on the cross.
John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
Anti means to be opposite that scripture.
A person believes his Life is himself, instead of the LIFE being GOD IN YOU.
The person believes they have FREE WILL.
If you have come to truth you understand that since God is the LIFE IN YOU, it's God's WILL being done IN YOU
There is NO SINGLE antichrist, just millions of antichrist.
1 John 2:18 ....and you have heard that antichrist shall come, even NOW are there many (millions) of antichrist
2 John 1:7 .....who confess not Jesus IS COME in the FLESH .....Christ CAME ONCE, and has already come the SECOND TIME: IN THE FLESH, you can't see him, he came like a thief in the night. The KINGDOM is not in OBSERVATION but UNDERSTANDING.
John 17:22 ....that they may be one, even as we are one ....
Because of the WORKS of the resurrection; ALL FLESH died with Christ, and ALL FLESH rose with Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27 YOU ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST ....
BELIEVE: Christ has COME IN the flesh: YOU and I and ALL.
Colossisns 1:27 .....THIS MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU .......
Isaiah 28:1 .... that he may do his work (the WORK OF HIS CROSS), his STRANGE WORK, his ACT his STRANGE ACT .....
I was copying and pasting so fast I didn't realize it when I came to the end.
I've noticed something very sinister about some false speakers when you are amongst the worst! They don't have to fully agree with one another in their deception in order to bless one another's mission. They just have one thing in common and that is to stand in the way of truth.
GIVING THEM GOD SPEED.
The word God speed is found in only one passage in the Bible, and only in the King James Version: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" ( 2 John 1:10-11). Here John is warning believers against receiving false teachers or contributing to the success of anyone bearing a false gospel. To bid a false teacher "godspeed" is to express a wish for his success. Although we should love all people and desire their welfare, we cannot be faithful to the truth and at the same time wish the enemies of truth success in their endeavors. As John says, extending hospitality to a false teacher is to share in his work of falsehood.
As Jacqui said there is a lot out there. The mark we see in Rev. 13 is a mark, or the name of the beast, or the number 666 in their right hand, or in their foreheads. This will not be a mystery at the time, people will not accidentally take it they will take it willingly.
My understanding: the hour of temptation, not taken out, but strengthened to go through, Rev. 3:10 and 2 Thess. 2:7-12 corresponds with the false prophet, by miracles, great wonders, and power was given him in the sight of the beast causing people to take the mark and worship the beast or be killed. A similar thing was done by Decian during the persecution in 250 AD. Instead of a mark, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, that people had to sacrifice to the Roman gods or else.
The number 666, many apply to people, Popes, and other things. This number goes way back in history, it is tied to false god worship, Paganism worship of the hosts of heaven, astrology, the 36 groups of stars, and when added 1+2+3 up to 36 = 666.
The word antichrist, many teachings and millions of dollars have been made on this word. It is in the Bible in 1 John 2:18,221 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 and according to John, there are billions of antichrists in the world not just one. It is also associated with the man of sin, the son of perdition in 2 Thes. 2:3. What is interesting is perdition has the same meaning as the name of the king the angel of the bottomless pit, destruction, Rev. 9.
In Revelation, there is the dragon (Satan), a beast, a false prophet, and the mystery Babylon the great. Satan is cast down and out of heaven permanently Rev. 12, he gives his seat power and authority to the beast, Rev. 13 we see this beast ascends out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 11:7Rev. 17:8. The beast is given 42 months (3.5 years), not 7.
A study of this will carry you all over the Bible. Rev. jumps, what I mean, is parts of the same event will be in another chapter.
Traditions of men, how they make void the word of God, Man's wisdom, philosophy, mans wisdom how it can throw you a curve, penalty can be read of doing so in 2 John 1:5: beginning in verse 5 I should say, where we easily can become a partaker of deeds; there's nothing new under the sun, we know from the book of Ecclesiasties where it tells us how we can be happy/blessed in theese flesh bodies.
Most Holiday's have been perverted/twisted by man, take Christmas for example, Christ wasn't born in December, He was conceived.
So it's the philosophy of man that have twisted traditions that we love and enjoy and partake in.
I love Christmas, I just celebrate it differently since.
Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.
Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40Mark 9:37Luke 10:16John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.
We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16Mark 1:10Luke 3:22John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.
"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:161 John 4:32 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.
A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.
These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.
Hi. You may care to look at these Scriptures: 2 John 1:7 (denial of the divinity of Christ; see also 1 John 2:22 & 1 John 4:2,3). These Scriptures speak about the spirit of anti-christ in those who reject Jesus in both His Person and Office, but THE coming anti-christ is not named in the Bible.
1 Corinthians 1:17. Here's a verse where the emphasis is often placed on whether Paul baptized or not, when thw focus should be on the division amongst believers. Here's the key text. 1 Corinthians 1:11-13..
....IS CHRIST DIVIDED? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
NO! Christ is not divided.
Notice vs 17.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, LEST THE CROSS OF CHRIST SHOULD BE MADE OF NONE EFFECT.
There's power in preaching the cross UNITES BELIEVERS and it is not in man's intellect. It's not in joining another's belief system! It's the baptism of the Holyspirit that puts you into the body of Christ where you become children of God. And the Spirit causes you to love your brother. But it divides unbelievers and believers. Vs18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Read on through
1 Corinthians 1:18-31.
Also 1 Corinthians 2:1-5.
I'm at odds with heresies and I respond to those who undermine the truth. But I don't hate them.
Here's verses I try to keep in mind when it seems to be tares, apostates or contentious brothern present.
2 Thessalonians 3:14-15.
2 John 1:10-11.
Galatians 1:8-10.
Titus 3:9-11.
The thing is it's discernment not partiality. You don't know them by their works, You know them by their fruit. And it certainly seems that certain doctrine is sown to the flesh and produces corruption and is at odds with the truth.
Therefore they're are fruitless.
We also sometimes walk in the flesh "trying to put on politeness" and say something polite by telling these tares they have something to offer, But scripture says otherwise.
You can politely rebuke them with scripture. But any carnal establishment or person will say you're contentious.
I did a thorough study on when Jesus died. It was very interesting that men follows the traditions of men. Paul already warned us in Colossians 2:8
I personally confirmed that Jesus died on Wednesday. Just as the pattern of a wonderful God has created a day, so understanding that a day starts in the evening and the morning Genesis 1:5. Then next a great God gave the Jews a great and only sign of Jonah 1:17 and Matthew 12:40 a prophetic sign of when Jesus will die, buried and resurrected for 3 days and 3 nights. Our God is such a great Intelligent Designer so that the true believers will not be deceived tossed to and fro ( Ephesians 4:14) by any so-called Religious Christian Deceivers. So by knowing this you will know who is lying to you and to stay away from this cult. Revelation 18:4
It was also a perfect match on the day of Passover and the Sabbath. Noticed the day Mary went to the tomb and her preparation of her spices. I will leave a room for you to study.
So anybody says Jesus died on Friday, it is fake news they are making you a merchandised 2 Peter 2:3; Revelation 18:11; Revelation 18:12 Stay away immediately if they do not listen to the truth. The truth will set you free. John 14:6. The greatest and intelligent thing God said is that there is no other interpretation in the word of God. So if you do not get it you must be a lost person and not saved or just not reading your Bible enough. I do want ALL to be saved 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I just hate the Nicolaitans (2X) Revelations 2:6; Revelation 2:15. Beware of many modern Pharisees.
Main thing is that we true believers 1 John4:2-3; 2 John 1:7 should not be divided 1 Corinthians 1:10; Luke 11:17. We need each other Romans 12:4; 1 Corinthians 12:12 & 20
We are truly in the last days. Psalms 2:1-12. God wants everybody to understand The Word of God. Many of you will not believe. It is expected. Many will meet Jesus in the cloud 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-58. See you soon.
This is more common than we might realize. Could be used of things that produce offspring (seed). Here are a few more examples of how the female gender is used. Galatians 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all". 2 John 1:1 "The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth"; Revelation 12 also. I really appreciate the figures of speech in the Bible. It can really stimulate the mind.
Re. 2Jn. 1:10 = Contextually, the verb "receive" includes
+ agreeing with, and accepting the evil heresies and destructive purposes of the deceivers and antichrists;
+ welcoming them into your home;
+ showing hospitality to them by providing room and board in your home;
+ providing your home as their base of operations;
+ refreshing them in their travels.
+ providing them the rest and resources needed to continue their evil mission.
Contextually, the only aid and compassion believing Christians should show these evil heretics is witnessing to them the true "Doctrine of CHRIST" (v.9).
The verb "speed" translates from the Greek verb root (pronounced "KHAH-ee-ro"). "Chairo" always means active and exceeding joyfulness, rejoicing, and happiness. Apostle Paul used the same verb in his second epistle to the Corinthians ( 2Cor. 13:11): "Finally, brethren, farewell {Greek verb "chairo"}."
To "bib" these religious heretics "GOD speed" literally means "say to him" with well wishes.
Wishing "GOD speed" means the one voicing the wish desires heretics to achieve the highest possible results from their evil message and intentions. Their evil intentions pervert the "Doctrine of CHRIST" (v.9) resulting in the eternal destruction of the unfortunate gullible souls that swallow their deceptive delusions.
Mat 22:39 I here so many question and concerns of are we to love our neighbor/enemies: As always search scripture. one who fallows CHRIST and tries to be a good neighbor you love as you love all Christian brothers who fallow the doctrine of CHRIST. The 1st and greatest commandment is to love GOD with all your heart and soul and if you do you would be a good neighbor. Is upon the head of any head of house to protect you family with your life if need be. Would you let a neighbor walk in your home and abuse 1 of your family? I hope you said no.
Paul wrote: Rom 12:18 Many look over "If it is possible" sometimes it just is not possible to get along and you don't ever let someone run over you. If you have a neighbor that does not love GOD and commits egregious acts against you; he cannot be of GOD but of Satan, 2 John 1:7. Do you love Satan? I hope you said no. Anyone that does not fallow the doctrine of CHRIST we are to not so much as wish them a good day 2 John 1:10. We love our enemies only after they have turned from their sins against you and accept doctrine of CHRIST, 2 John 1:9, not until. CHRIST tells us Math. 10:14 if they do not accept doctrine to turn from them, wiping even their dirt off. If they sin against you and repent and ask for forgiveness then you forgive but if they don't then have nothing to do with them until they do.
Leviticus 19:15-:18 GOD tells us what being a good neighbor is. If he is self-professed Christian (brother) and he breaks these rules then scripture tells us to set him aside until he repents and ask for forgiveness. If he doesn't then vengeance is the Lords. You will be blessed while he has to watch; perhaps he eventually comes to senses an wants the good life you have. But if you are unlucky to get an evil neighbor you best be on guard, Christians are not 2nd class citizens where we allow to be stepped on.
Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Many look over "If it is possible" sometimes it just is not possible to get along and you don't ever let someone run over you.
If you have a neighbor that does not love GOD and commits egregious acts against you he cannot be of GOD but of Satan, 2 John 1:7. Do you love Satan? I hope you said no. Anyone that does not fallow the doctrine of CHRIST we are to not so much as wish them a good day 2 John 1:10.
A little Bible trivia. Fill in the blank what you think it says and then look it up. 2 John 1:18 Look to ___________, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Then do a New Testament bible search on that word and absorb the teachings associated with it. It surprised me.
Thank you, I did read your reply to Jay, I read most of your posts and others as well. I agree, it comes from the Old Roman creed that scripture supports. Over hundreds of years, it has been added to. "descended into hell" was added for an interpretation of 1 Peter 3:19-20. The one thing I do not agree with is the word "spirits" nowhere in scripture is the dead called spirits or being in prison, and it is not clear this happened while Jesus was in the tomb.
The communion of saints was added, in short, this is spiritual unity of the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the unison of the same body under Christ it's head. My understanding, there is no knowledge after death until the resurrection when Jesus returns.
The Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed are mainly about God as a trinity God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The first lines of the Athanasian Creed say this, "Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly"
It puts the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed mandatory for salvation and I have not found any scripture that confirms this. My understanding is this puts these creeds above and before the gospel of Jesus Christ plus if we look at history, how many lives have been taken under the words anathema and heresy due to these creeds. Brings to me Nicolaitanes Jesus spoke of in Revelation. I understand the word catholic.
Jude 4 is good, one of the reasons in my heart I feel if I call Jesus God, I deny the Son, 1John 2:222 John 1:9 also 1 Corinthians 15:28.
I do not think you are being contrary, I appreciate your reply, we are to love and encourage each other how else can we grow. If we agree or disagree if it is in love.
The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.
My understanding of scripture.
You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16
You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:32 John 1:7
You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22
You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10
Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38Acts 8:16
You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11
You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10
Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?
Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11
God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33
There are some that supposedly have a deeper understanding of the word of God that has crept in the church.
Strategically they converse with you, " Not to convert you but to use the platform you provide them to confuse the simple.
They stand in the way of salvation for those who seek Christ through his word.
ENCOURAGEMENT.
However God is aware of Satan's tares in the congregation, And he that the Lord calls WILL come to him!!
Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:8-9. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Encouragement!!
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.
John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT"S sake those days shall be shortened.
1 Peter 1:2 Elect (Church/Bride) according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the (bride) say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
It's funny how We share views of Scripture It's not the dialog that often breaks the peace It's what's sown within that reflects outwardly.
You don't have to give your view, just post the scripture and there's contention!
We shouldn't be surprised
The concept is all through scripture.
John 1:4-5.
No one is going out to seek contention, It's already there.
( Example)
Matthew 10:32-38.
God don't compromise his Holiness to exercise judgment and I don't think he asks us to when dividing the word.
We have to wonder If we're not going to win them over and they know they're not going to win us over, Why are they so adamant on keeping this dialog going? Perhaps they're after the audience. And this is where I believe 2 John 1:10-11 applies.
And if we've been battling this for I know over a year!! Perhaps this verse apply.
Matthew 7:6.
My question was when do it apply and if we're so fundamental about everything else why not this?
In the secular we call the democrats "liberals" But aren't we also as a whole.
And this especially goes for those who say salvation is by works and not by grace when Paul makes that clear all through Galatians starting here-
Galatians 1:6-8.
Paul says let them be a curse
But we call them Brother.
He also emphasize it in
Philippians 3:2-11. And this is the only "religion" given to Man and it slew us.
Now this is a peaceful dialog that you and I are having but some would say it's contentious.
And by the way I have been guilty of this as well, that's why I carefully say WE.
Yes this is difficult but did the Lord say it wouldn't be?
I've never posted concerns about the forum, They do a great job.
Here's a paste of what I said exactly.
My Quote :
I understand to some this is "just" a KJV Discussion forum. However we do use it to try and win some over to Christ, If that's so then all Scripture is practical and not set aside till Sunday. We are to apply it and all of it, and all the time.
You see the emphasis is that we are allowed to use the forum to witness and present ( ALL scripture ).
And these are the Scriptures I had I Mind.
2 John 1:10-11.
Mathew 7:6.
Mathew 7:13-23.
Galatians 8:1-9.
Matthew 12:30.
Are these Scriptures relevant today?
If so are they suggestions?
When do we apply them?
Are they given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?
If we believe Scripture is applicable today do we apply it to our walk?
In other words do you take what you believe in and put it in to action?
Are do we just say "No it's just a forum."
I believe it's more because we use it to lead people in to eternity and some whether they are continuous of it or not holds to a Doctrine that does otherwise.
So why bid them God speed after a year or so of dialog.
Part 4 Trinity discussion.
Do you believe that the will of the Father and the will of the Son are always the same or different?
Jesus was obedient to the Father, Jesus said many times it is not His will but the will of the Father who sent Him, the same as we are to do, John 4:34 John 5:30 Mark 3:35.
Do you believe that a human being can truly save all men from sin and death by a perfect life in their own will?
First, I will have to say it was the will of the Father, Jesus at the end even asked His father if there was another way but not Jesus's will but the will of His Father, Matthew 26:39 Luke 22:42. We are told this is the foundation of our faith, Jesus' sacrificial death. God cannot die God is Spirit He has no blood to shed for sin it had to be a man, His Son, born of a woman.
John 3:16 God gave His Son not Himself 1 John 2:22 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7 Romans 5:8 2 Corinthians 5:21, God cannot be made sin, 1 Corinthians 15:17 Jesus died, and God raised Him from the dead, the first man to live a perfect life, the first fruits of those who sleep in death. 1 Corinthians 15:14 as said if Jesus was not a man who lived a perfect life and died and was raised from the dead all is vain.
The first Adam was the first man Jesus was the last Adam and the second man, 1 Corinthians 15:45-47. 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. The law had to be fulfilled by a man.
How would a human being know that they are the Messiah from birth and thus know not to ever sin?
As we see Luke 2:51-52 Jesus grew up increasing in wisdom and stature in favor with God and man. Jesus was twelve years old and He knew His father was God, but it doesn't say Jesus knew then He was to be the Messiah. God also said He would raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, Deuteronomy 18:15, Isaiah 11:1-5 Isaiah 61:1-2 confirmed in Luke 4:18-21. Romans 1:1-4 2 Timothy 2:8.
See part 5
Thank you again, from my heart, the truth is my search not to offend. It all goes back to one verse when I read it, it stood out in my heart, Corinthians 11:4. I know I am alone here on this, but saying Jesus is part of the Triune God, who eternally exists and expresses himself as three distinct persons with one essence all three co-equal. One God in three persons-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This to me denies the Son, 1 John 2:23
What I see in the Bible is the relationship between the Father and the Son, the Son is obedient to the Father. Jesus said His Father is greater than Him, John 14:28. Jesus has said the Father is His God, John 20:17 Revelation 3:12.
The Bible defines God's nature as eternal and unchanging; there is only one throne of God and through the Bible, only the Father is on the throne until the Father raised His Son from the dead and placed Him on His right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, there is nothing about the Holy Spirit.
As we see in Revelation Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple and the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof, Rev. 21:22-23 no Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, not another person.
Jesus confirmed there is only one true God, Mark 12:28-34, in Jesus's prayer to His Father said in John 17:3. All the greetings in the New Testament are from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:3 Ephesians 6:23 1 Thessalonians 1:1 2 Timothy 1:2 Titus 1:4 2 John 1:3 and more but no Holy Spirit.
If the Trinity true and is so important, why is it not once taught in Scripture? God cannot change and God cannot die, so how do we understand John 3:16 if God the Father did not send his actual begotten Son to die for our sins? We see Jesus also had His own will, Luke 22:42.
God bless,
RLW
To avoid them, you have to know who they are. You can't avoid somebody if you don't know who they are. This idea of identifying and avoiding shows up in
1 Corinthians 5:11;
2 Thessalonians 3:6,
2 Thessalonians 3:14;
2 Timothy 3:5;
2 John 1:10.
In other words, Christians, and shepherds in particular, should be discerning and alert to behavior and teaching that dishonors Christ and destroys people - and not treat it in a casual or harmless way.
And then in 1 Timothy 5:19-20, Paul went beyond just "avoid them" to "rebuke them publicly." So, speaking of elders who persist in error, he said, "Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin" - and that can be sin of false doctrine or sin of evil behavior, anyone who does not accept correction - "rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.."
And then Paul went on and actually named destructive false teachers:
"Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me" 2 Timothy 4:10.
You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes" 2 Timothy 1:15.
"By rejecting this [faith and a good conscience], some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander" 1 Timothy 1:19-20.
"Their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus" ( 2 Timothy 2:17).
Paul names at least six false teachers that the church should watch out for.
So, I infer from Jesus and Paul and Luke and John that false teaching and destructive behavior are present dangers in this fallen world for the church. And all of us - especially shepherds, pastors - should be alert and discerning to identify and, in appropriate ways, expose. In order to protect the flock, we should expose them and minimize the spread of the gangrene (as Paul calls it).
AVOID, REBUKE, AND CALL OUT.
God bless
This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.
God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.
All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.
In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.
Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.
You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.
God bless,
RLW
Part two
What does it mean to believe? What is the evidence that we believe? As Paul said, it is like running a race, when we start this race, we believe we are going to finish, and with God's Spirit we have all the determination and motivation we are not only going to finish this race we are going to win this race.
We are saved! We are being saved! We shall be saved! When we start, are all our sins forgiven, our past, present, and our future sins the moment we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and are baptized? Is our salvation guaranteed and we cannot lose it or fall out of grace regardless?
We are saved. Eph. 2:5 When we accept the gospel and are baptized our sins are blotted out, Isaiah 44:22 Acts 3:19 and we become a child/son/daughter of God, John 1:12 we are justified, made righteous by the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and now we begin a relationship through God's Spirit, and God and Jesus abide in us, 2 John 1:9. This is the start of the race, the beginning of our salvation.
We are being saved. Philippians 1:6 Hearing the Word one believes and is baptized into Christ they are made clean (justification) the work of grace, and the Lord will continue working in us until He returns if we abide in Him John 15:3-5. How does God complete his good work in us? Testing James 1:2-4, chastising Heb. 12:6-7 Our relationship. If we abide in Him, Jesus, and God abides in us. The branches bear the fruit of the vine, the vine produces the fruit not us/branch, sanctification. We are running the race Philippians 2:12
We shall be saved. Redemption and glorification. Our full salvation comes at the end, when Jesus returns. Luke 21:28 "being now justified" We started the race. We are being saved, "being reconciled" we are running the race, 2 Cor. 5:18. We shall be saved at the end of the race. Romans 13:11.
See part three.
I've been reading the comments concerning the word of God, the Bible.
It appears that y'all have come to a conclusion that the Scriptures are to be the rule & guide of a Christian life, or at least finally stated this conclusion. Friends, no its not!
The Guide & Rule of a Christian life is not the Scriptures, but the Spirit, that gave forth the Scriptures
Jesus said, John 16:13, He didn't say the letter would lead us into all truth, but the Spirit. 1John 2:27 2Pet 1:3
Rom 8:14; not the letter, but led by the Spirit are the sons & daughters of God
Psalms 143:10 Gal 4:10 Rom 8:16 Rom 8:9
Friends, you who are fermented on the Scriptures, do you not hear what the letters has to say?
2Cor 3:6 1Cor 2:9-13 Rev 2:7,11 Rev 2:29 etc;
Jesus was made like unto us in all things, & is our Example, its recorded in Scriptures John 7:15 was not taught by man, but taught & lead by God Spirit John 5:19 2Cor 5:19,20 Rom 8:11 & was made 1Cor 15:45 to all that will receive Him in Spirit.
John the Baptist, was in the wilderness unto the day of his appearing; Luke 1:80 it is written Luke 3: 2 John 1:33 the Spirit of God came to him, taught him & empowered him for the life & ministry chosen for him from the foundation of the world.
The same principle applies to us this day, God has not change, He works the same way He always has & that's by His Spirit.
As I stated previously the Scripture true glory & honor are they give us a true testimony of Christ & point to Him who did return as He promised, & that in Spirit. The Scriptures are very profitable indeed when honor for which they were given forth. The NT is the administration of the Spirit 2Cor 3:8
Paul says Philippians 1:19 The Spirit of Christ is what lead him & taught him all that we read of in his writing. He counted all the knowledge & understanding that he previously attain to & live as Dung, Philippians 3:5-8 compare to the experiential knowledge John 5:17 he received from Holy Spirit. 1John 4:6 do you hear Him?
in L & T
Sorry brother did not see your last post. I know we differ on this, as long as we inspire each other to study both sides we are doing ok. I feel the word antichrist has been used so many times having people looking for the wrong thing. This beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 17:8 we don't know what he will look like, the man of sin.
The word antichrist is not in Revelation, and where we see it in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 all are describing people or the spirit of antichrist, deceivers not a beast. There has been people from the time Jesus ascended claiming to be the Messiah and will deliver them from Roman oppression up to revolts before 70 AD. There was one in Acts 21:38 and some others and probably some today.
2 Thessalonians 2:4, which says this beast will exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Above God, or whatever people all over this world worship, this will be a world event for people of all religions. I agree the deception will be great and he may appear to many as Christ or what or who other people worship. I am sure many will accept him as the Christ.
In Revelation, we have Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and fallen angels on this earth, all working against God, Jesus, and all who have faith in them, it will not be a pleasant time. From the time Satan and his angels are cast down to earth and Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast I only see 3.5 years not 7. And I do not see anyone taken out only the second coming of Jesus. 7 years only comes from Daniel 9 whether that turns out to be true or false. Hope this makes some sense.
God bless
RLW
Yes we have freedom of speech as the world gives.
What is important to spiritual growth is truth!
That's what we earnestly seek for.
If one decide to minister on this site he has the freedom to do so.
If one decide not to minister he has the freedom to do so.
If one decide to treat this community as a round table he has that freedom and if one takes the word of God to be handed serious he had that freedom.
Freedom goes on and if it's freedom you want, give it and expect it from everyone including me.
I'm not giving my opinion, I'm repeating what they have literally said out their own mouth!
If the accusation is false that's one thing but if it's true and is as easy as asking them, feel freely to do so.
In other words ask them directly and they should tell you directly that which they have said "We will be Gods and the Gospel which we preach is man made.
If it don't bother you when they say it don't let it bother you when I repeat it.
This is a King James site and what's written in it tells us to mark such a person.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17.
Galatians 1:8-9.
Titus 3:10.
2 John 1:10-11.
Sometimes it's easier to know what the bible says than to do what it says.
God bless.
Are you saying you better than Judas, and you are not a son of perdition.
If the son of perdition is describing a single antichrist; then the antichrist was Judas, and the antichrist has already come; IF 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ....the son of predition is also describing antichrist; then there would be 2 antichrist.
The son of perdition is describing all the antichrist, NOT JUST ONE.
2 John 1:7 ....ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW there are many ANTICHRIST ----sons of perdition ---
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceiver you by any means: for THAT DAY --- 2 Thessalonians 2:8 ---the day the lord consumes you ---destroys YOU --- the son of perdition --- with the brightness of HIS COMING ---his PRESENCE IN YOU ---and there first must come a FALLING AWAY ---what have you got to fall away from ----- your deception ---- an repent of what you believe --- the son of perdition is not someone else IT'S YOU ---- it's any person reading God's word --- the word's of God are for whoever is reading those words --- it's about revealing the KINGDOM to the person reading.
If you judge yourself by GOD'S WORD, you want be judged with the world.
Antichrist is any and everything that isn't Christ --- the word of God --- all the beliefs contrary to God's word.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who CONFESS NOT Jesus is COME in the FLESH, this is a deceiver and an a antichrist.
Have you confessed that Christ is come, by HIS resurrection, and now lives IN YOU --- YOUR flesh ---- or are you still deceived and an antichrist needing to have your carnal mind destroyed.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU (your flesh) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Are YOU:
2 Thessalonians 2:4 ... so that he (the son of perdition) sitteth in the temple of God ---- YOUR the temple of God ----so whose on the throne ---Christ, or the son of perdition ----If it's YOU then get back on the cross.
God Bless YOU!
John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
Anti means to be opposite that scripture.
A person believes his Life is himself, instead of the LIFE being GOD IN YOU.
The person believes they have FREE WILL.
If you have come to truth you understand that since God is the LIFE IN YOU, it's God's WILL being done IN YOU
There is NO SINGLE antichrist, just millions of antichrist.
1 John 2:18 ....and you have heard that antichrist shall come, even NOW are there many (millions) of antichrist
2 John 1:7 .....who confess not Jesus IS COME in the FLESH .....Christ CAME ONCE, and has already come the SECOND TIME: IN THE FLESH, you can't see him, he came like a thief in the night. The KINGDOM is not in OBSERVATION but UNDERSTANDING.
John 17:22 ....that they may be one, even as we are one ....
Because of the WORKS of the resurrection; ALL FLESH died with Christ, and ALL FLESH rose with Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27 YOU ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST ....
BELIEVE: Christ has COME IN the flesh: YOU and I and ALL.
Colossisns 1:27 .....THIS MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU .......
Isaiah 28:1 .... that he may do his work (the WORK OF HIS CROSS), his STRANGE WORK, his ACT his STRANGE ACT .....
A NEW CREATION
FEW believe this, it makes for many antichrist.
God Bless YOU!
There is no part 6.
I was copying and pasting so fast I didn't realize it when I came to the end.
I've noticed something very sinister about some false speakers when you are amongst the worst! They don't have to fully agree with one another in their deception in order to bless one another's mission. They just have one thing in common and that is to stand in the way of truth.
GIVING THEM GOD SPEED.
The word God speed is found in only one passage in the Bible, and only in the King James Version: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" ( 2 John 1:10-11). Here John is warning believers against receiving false teachers or contributing to the success of anyone bearing a false gospel. To bid a false teacher "godspeed" is to express a wish for his success. Although we should love all people and desire their welfare, we cannot be faithful to the truth and at the same time wish the enemies of truth success in their endeavors. As John says, extending hospitality to a false teacher is to share in his work of falsehood.
As Jacqui said there is a lot out there. The mark we see in Rev. 13 is a mark, or the name of the beast, or the number 666 in their right hand, or in their foreheads. This will not be a mystery at the time, people will not accidentally take it they will take it willingly.
My understanding: the hour of temptation, not taken out, but strengthened to go through, Rev. 3:10 and 2 Thess. 2:7-12 corresponds with the false prophet, by miracles, great wonders, and power was given him in the sight of the beast causing people to take the mark and worship the beast or be killed. A similar thing was done by Decian during the persecution in 250 AD. Instead of a mark, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, that people had to sacrifice to the Roman gods or else.
The number 666, many apply to people, Popes, and other things. This number goes way back in history, it is tied to false god worship, Paganism worship of the hosts of heaven, astrology, the 36 groups of stars, and when added 1+2+3 up to 36 = 666.
The word antichrist, many teachings and millions of dollars have been made on this word. It is in the Bible in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 and according to John, there are billions of antichrists in the world not just one. It is also associated with the man of sin, the son of perdition in 2 Thes. 2:3. What is interesting is perdition has the same meaning as the name of the king the angel of the bottomless pit, destruction, Rev. 9.
In Revelation, there is the dragon (Satan), a beast, a false prophet, and the mystery Babylon the great. Satan is cast down and out of heaven permanently Rev. 12, he gives his seat power and authority to the beast, Rev. 13 we see this beast ascends out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 11:7 Rev. 17:8. The beast is given 42 months (3.5 years), not 7.
A study of this will carry you all over the Bible. Rev. jumps, what I mean, is parts of the same event will be in another chapter.
God bless,
RLW
Traditions of men, how they make void the word of God, Man's wisdom, philosophy, mans wisdom how it can throw you a curve, penalty can be read of doing so in 2 John 1:5: beginning in verse 5 I should say, where we easily can become a partaker of deeds; there's nothing new under the sun, we know from the book of Ecclesiasties where it tells us how we can be happy/blessed in theese flesh bodies.
Most Holiday's have been perverted/twisted by man, take Christmas for example, Christ wasn't born in December, He was conceived.
So it's the philosophy of man that have twisted traditions that we love and enjoy and partake in.
I love Christmas, I just celebrate it differently since.
Who is an antichrist? Christ is a translation of the Greek word Christos which means anointed one. The Hebrew word is Mashiach translated Messiah which means the anointed one, the chosen one. One who God fixed for a specific purpose set apart to fulfill God's plan.
Jesus said many times that He/Him sent me, Matt. 10:40 Mark 9:37 Luke 10:16 John 5:30 and many more times. Also, Jesus said He came down from heaven not to do His will but to do the will of Him who sent Him in John 6:38, and Jesus said this in John 6:35-40.
We see when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed not with oil but with the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Matt 3:16 Mark 1:10 Luke 3:22 John 1:32, and John 3:34-36 Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit without measure. Peter confesses and puts clear the Messiah/Christ, and the miracles, wonders, and signs God did by Him Acts 2:22, also read 23-39.
"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit", manifest Greek word phanero; revealed, made known, 1 Timothy 3:16 John 17:1-8. God gave His only begotten Son, God sent His Son who was come in the flesh, tempted as you or me, and the spirit of antichrist is denying that is true, John 3:16 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7. Christ is not part of Jesus name it is a title, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus is the Christ.
A liar is he who denies or says Jesus is not the Christ/Messiah, and he is an antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. If we deny the Son, we have not the Father but if we acknowledge the Son we have the Father also, 1 John 2:18-24. You must come to your own understanding not mine, with open mind, prayer, and the Holy Spirit guiding you, you will.
These verses about the antichrist paint a picture of a deceptive seducing spirit and the people that have been deceived, just like Eve 2 Cor. 11:3. My understanding of these verses does not refer to the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit that has come to be called the antichrist.
God bless,
RLW
....IS CHRIST DIVIDED? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
NO! Christ is not divided.
Notice vs 17.
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, LEST THE CROSS OF CHRIST SHOULD BE MADE OF NONE EFFECT.
There's power in preaching the cross UNITES BELIEVERS and it is not in man's intellect. It's not in joining another's belief system! It's the baptism of the Holyspirit that puts you into the body of Christ where you become children of God. And the Spirit causes you to love your brother. But it divides unbelievers and believers. Vs18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Read on through
1 Corinthians 1:18-31.
Also 1 Corinthians 2:1-5.
I'm at odds with heresies and I respond to those who undermine the truth. But I don't hate them.
Here's verses I try to keep in mind when it seems to be tares, apostates or contentious brothern present.
2 Thessalonians 3:14-15.
2 John 1:10-11.
Galatians 1:8-10.
Titus 3:9-11.
The thing is it's discernment not partiality. You don't know them by their works, You know them by their fruit. And it certainly seems that certain doctrine is sown to the flesh and produces corruption and is at odds with the truth.
Therefore they're are fruitless.
We also sometimes walk in the flesh "trying to put on politeness" and say something polite by telling these tares they have something to offer, But scripture says otherwise.
You can politely rebuke them with scripture. But any carnal establishment or person will say you're contentious.
1 Peter 3:14-17.
God bless.
I personally confirmed that Jesus died on Wednesday. Just as the pattern of a wonderful God has created a day, so understanding that a day starts in the evening and the morning Genesis 1:5. Then next a great God gave the Jews a great and only sign of Jonah 1:17 and Matthew 12:40 a prophetic sign of when Jesus will die, buried and resurrected for 3 days and 3 nights. Our God is such a great Intelligent Designer so that the true believers will not be deceived tossed to and fro ( Ephesians 4:14) by any so-called Religious Christian Deceivers. So by knowing this you will know who is lying to you and to stay away from this cult. Revelation 18:4
It was also a perfect match on the day of Passover and the Sabbath. Noticed the day Mary went to the tomb and her preparation of her spices. I will leave a room for you to study.
So anybody says Jesus died on Friday, it is fake news they are making you a merchandised 2 Peter 2:3; Revelation 18:11; Revelation 18:12 Stay away immediately if they do not listen to the truth. The truth will set you free. John 14:6. The greatest and intelligent thing God said is that there is no other interpretation in the word of God. So if you do not get it you must be a lost person and not saved or just not reading your Bible enough. I do want ALL to be saved 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I just hate the Nicolaitans (2X) Revelations 2:6; Revelation 2:15. Beware of many modern Pharisees.
Main thing is that we true believers 1 John4:2-3; 2 John 1:7 should not be divided 1 Corinthians 1:10; Luke 11:17. We need each other Romans 12:4; 1 Corinthians 12:12 & 20
We are truly in the last days. Psalms 2:1-12. God wants everybody to understand The Word of God. Many of you will not believe. It is expected. Many will meet Jesus in the cloud 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-58. See you soon.
Not all the scripture below are totally relevant, but I think they will help:
Matthew 18:15-18
1 Corinthians 5:1-5
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
Galatians 6:1
1 Timothy 1:3-4
1 Timothy 1:20
1 Timothy 5:1-2
1 Timothy 5:19-20
1 Timothy 6:3-5
2 Timothy 4:2-4
Titus 1:10-11
Titua 3:10-11
Philemon 1:8-9
2 John 1:9-11
Rev 2:14
Rev 2:20
+ agreeing with, and accepting the evil heresies and destructive purposes of the deceivers and antichrists;
+ welcoming them into your home;
+ showing hospitality to them by providing room and board in your home;
+ providing your home as their base of operations;
+ refreshing them in their travels.
+ providing them the rest and resources needed to continue their evil mission.
Contextually, the only aid and compassion believing Christians should show these evil heretics is witnessing to them the true "Doctrine of CHRIST" (v.9).
The verb "speed" translates from the Greek verb root (pronounced "KHAH-ee-ro"). "Chairo" always means active and exceeding joyfulness, rejoicing, and happiness. Apostle Paul used the same verb in his second epistle to the Corinthians ( 2Cor. 13:11): "Finally, brethren, farewell {Greek verb "chairo"}."
To "bib" these religious heretics "GOD speed" literally means "say to him" with well wishes.
Wishing "GOD speed" means the one voicing the wish desires heretics to achieve the highest possible results from their evil message and intentions. Their evil intentions pervert the "Doctrine of CHRIST" (v.9) resulting in the eternal destruction of the unfortunate gullible souls that swallow their deceptive delusions.
Paul wrote: Rom 12:18 Many look over "If it is possible" sometimes it just is not possible to get along and you don't ever let someone run over you. If you have a neighbor that does not love GOD and commits egregious acts against you; he cannot be of GOD but of Satan, 2 John 1:7. Do you love Satan? I hope you said no. Anyone that does not fallow the doctrine of CHRIST we are to not so much as wish them a good day 2 John 1:10. We love our enemies only after they have turned from their sins against you and accept doctrine of CHRIST, 2 John 1:9, not until. CHRIST tells us Math. 10:14 if they do not accept doctrine to turn from them, wiping even their dirt off. If they sin against you and repent and ask for forgiveness then you forgive but if they don't then have nothing to do with them until they do.
Leviticus 19:15-:18 GOD tells us what being a good neighbor is. If he is self-professed Christian (brother) and he breaks these rules then scripture tells us to set him aside until he repents and ask for forgiveness. If he doesn't then vengeance is the Lords. You will be blessed while he has to watch; perhaps he eventually comes to senses an wants the good life you have. But if you are unlucky to get an evil neighbor you best be on guard, Christians are not 2nd class citizens where we allow to be stepped on.
2Th 3:14,15 Mathew 18:15-:20 Romans 16:17 2 Thessalonians 3:6-:14 Luke 17:3,4. Corresponding verses.
Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Many look over "If it is possible" sometimes it just is not possible to get along and you don't ever let someone run over you.
If you have a neighbor that does not love GOD and commits egregious acts against you he cannot be of GOD but of Satan, 2 John 1:7. Do you love Satan? I hope you said no. Anyone that does not fallow the doctrine of CHRIST we are to not so much as wish them a good day 2 John 1:10.
Thank you, I did read your reply to Jay, I read most of your posts and others as well. I agree, it comes from the Old Roman creed that scripture supports. Over hundreds of years, it has been added to. "descended into hell" was added for an interpretation of 1 Peter 3:19-20. The one thing I do not agree with is the word "spirits" nowhere in scripture is the dead called spirits or being in prison, and it is not clear this happened while Jesus was in the tomb.
The communion of saints was added, in short, this is spiritual unity of the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the unison of the same body under Christ it's head. My understanding, there is no knowledge after death until the resurrection when Jesus returns.
The Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed are mainly about God as a trinity God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The first lines of the Athanasian Creed say this, "Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly"
It puts the Nicene Creed and the Athanasian Creed mandatory for salvation and I have not found any scripture that confirms this. My understanding is this puts these creeds above and before the gospel of Jesus Christ plus if we look at history, how many lives have been taken under the words anathema and heresy due to these creeds. Brings to me Nicolaitanes Jesus spoke of in Revelation. I understand the word catholic.
Jude 4 is good, one of the reasons in my heart I feel if I call Jesus God, I deny the Son, 1John 2:22 2 John 1:9 also 1 Corinthians 15:28.
I do not think you are being contrary, I appreciate your reply, we are to love and encourage each other how else can we grow. If we agree or disagree if it is in love.
God bless,
RLW
The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.
My understanding of scripture.
You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6
You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10
You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16
You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7
You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22
You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3
You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9
You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10
Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16
You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11
You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10
Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?
Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11
God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33
God bless,
RLW
Beware of doctrines demons.
There are some that supposedly have a deeper understanding of the word of God that has crept in the church.
Strategically they converse with you, " Not to convert you but to use the platform you provide them to confuse the simple.
They stand in the way of salvation for those who seek Christ through his word.
ENCOURAGEMENT.
However God is aware of Satan's tares in the congregation, And he that the Lord calls WILL come to him!!
Jude 1:4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:8-9. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 John 1:10-11. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Encouragement!!
The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.
Matthew 16:18.
God bless.
John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT"S sake those days shall be shortened.
1 Peter 1:2 Elect (Church/Bride) according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the (bride) say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
It's funny how We share views of Scripture It's not the dialog that often breaks the peace It's what's sown within that reflects outwardly.
You don't have to give your view, just post the scripture and there's contention!
We shouldn't be surprised
The concept is all through scripture.
John 1:4-5.
No one is going out to seek contention, It's already there.
( Example)
Matthew 10:32-38.
God don't compromise his Holiness to exercise judgment and I don't think he asks us to when dividing the word.
We have to wonder If we're not going to win them over and they know they're not going to win us over, Why are they so adamant on keeping this dialog going? Perhaps they're after the audience. And this is where I believe 2 John 1:10-11 applies.
And if we've been battling this for I know over a year!! Perhaps this verse apply.
Matthew 7:6.
My question was when do it apply and if we're so fundamental about everything else why not this?
In the secular we call the democrats "liberals" But aren't we also as a whole.
And this especially goes for those who say salvation is by works and not by grace when Paul makes that clear all through Galatians starting here-
Galatians 1:6-8.
Paul says let them be a curse
But we call them Brother.
He also emphasize it in
Philippians 3:2-11. And this is the only "religion" given to Man and it slew us.
Now this is a peaceful dialog that you and I are having but some would say it's contentious.
And by the way I have been guilty of this as well, that's why I carefully say WE.
Yes this is difficult but did the Lord say it wouldn't be?
Be strong in the Lord
God bless.
Here's where you're out of line.
I've never posted concerns about the forum, They do a great job.
Here's a paste of what I said exactly.
My Quote :
I understand to some this is "just" a KJV Discussion forum. However we do use it to try and win some over to Christ, If that's so then all Scripture is practical and not set aside till Sunday. We are to apply it and all of it, and all the time.
You see the emphasis is that we are allowed to use the forum to witness and present ( ALL scripture ).
And these are the Scriptures I had I Mind.
2 John 1:10-11.
Mathew 7:6.
Mathew 7:13-23.
Galatians 8:1-9.
Matthew 12:30.
Are these Scriptures relevant today?
If so are they suggestions?
When do we apply them?
Are they given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?
If we believe Scripture is applicable today do we apply it to our walk?
In other words do you take what you believe in and put it in to action?
Are do we just say "No it's just a forum."
I believe it's more because we use it to lead people in to eternity and some whether they are continuous of it or not holds to a Doctrine that does otherwise.
So why bid them God speed after a year or so of dialog.
God bless.