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  • Richard H Priday - 1 day ago
    John 6:54 states: Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    There are two views on the subject; the "transubstantiation" argument of the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions and the purely symbolic or metaphorical doctrines we find in many Protestant churches. In the first view we have to hold to an abhorrent view that there is an ongoing or perpetual reinstitution of Christ's sacrifice at every communion; clearly contrary to where Christ stated "it is finished" on the cross and Hebrews 9:28 speaking of His one time sacrifice for many. The Protestant viewpoint; however can tend to treat communion and in fact many other rites or ceremonies as merely symbolic and thus be calloused to verses such as 1 Corinthians 11:30 which states that many have become sick and died (fallen asleep) due to taking communion unworthily.

    Communion therefore is something which each individual is held accountable for but also involves a union in the Body of Christ through the function of the Holy Spirit. We certainly can't isolate these warnings just for communion; for instance we have no business being baptized without a proper confession of faith and marriages also need to be taken seriously in regard to the covenant vows. The New Covenant brings the blood ATONEMENT which essentially exchanges His life for our own as our spiritual sustenance; along with His broken body. He purchased us with the cost of His life and redeemed us from death and hell by taking our place on the cross of Calvary. Such a detestable imagery of a snake on a pole was an early representation of this Numbers 21. A man was cursed when hung on a tree ( Deut. 21:22-23). We are then partakers in Christ and His sufferings ( 1 Peter 4:13); see also Hebrews 3:14 on enduring to the end.

    In terms of eternal physical life; we of course have the tree of life as mentioned in the Garden. We also will be raised incorruptible if we are in Him.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 week ago
    Romans 2:9 states: There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile..

    (NIV); but says tribulation and anguish in the KJV. There is another verse stating that judgment begins at the house of God. ( 1 Peter 4:17).

    Just as not all Israel is Israel ( Romans 9:6); not all the "professing" church is the possessing church; that is possessing the Holy Spirit and true salvation. Jesus made that perfectly clear to those who thought because they were the physical descendants of Abraham that gave them some sort of benefit were sadly mistaken ( John 8:39-44). Those who had seen Christ; knew the prophecies about the Messiah and yet rejected Him would in fact be worse off than Sodom and Gomorrah in their punishment. ( Matt. 11:21-24). We see similar warnings for those who have knowledge of the truth and become reprobate; in that it would be better not to have known it in the first place ( 2 Peter 2:21).

    Testing ourselves to see if we are in the faith is sadly lacking today among professing believers; or we would see a reality check in the fruits of many lives. ( 2 Corinthians 13:5). We can glibly see this example as a carnal bunch of people and think that being steeped in our own religious training or theology that we are automatically exempt from this test. I have said before that there are dangers in any extreme that is lacking the balancing attribute; such as with loving people and warning them of judgment to come ( John 16:8). We see in the Ephesian church everything being done properly but their first love somehow becoming distant in their hearts. Look at 1 Corinthians 13:6; love rejoices in the truth. The basic fact that man's heart is desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9) and that our sin makes us enemies of God ( James 4:4) means that there is a wall between opposing parties and yes God is angry with the wicked (i.e. us) every day. ( Psalm 7:11). Having our heads in the sand doesn't help anyone.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    The necessity of Satan (part four)

    Matthew 13:24-43 discusses the parable of the wheat and the tares; ending with a private discussion with the Disciples. This necessity of such a condition WITHIN the professing church also must exist along with the general contrast between believers and unbelievers. Therefore; in general we must not only have confession but POSSESSION of the Holy Spirit in order to have genuine salvation (see Ezekiel 36:26). This principle in scripture cannot be overemphasized; if Christ found His greatest resistance from the "religious" leaders among the Jews of that day; we can be certain much of our opposition will come from those calling themselves Christians. Surely judgment begins at the house of God ( 1 Peter 4:17).

    If we are honest with history there are errors that can be found with fallible human beings even in the best denominations (sometimes despite truthful doctrines). I call Satan the "equal opportunity destroyer" because he doesn't discriminate as to what means of deception he uses and hence it fits his character hating everyone created in the image of God. He only hates the most those who are a threat to his kingdom; those who can see past the veil over all mankind ( 2 Cor. 4:3-6). His methods are myriad-mind control; fear; temptations; bondage; etc. People are used according to his purpose and we should be aware that his web is everywhere in this current world system. Things can and must get worse; worse than in all human history as Jesus promised for the end times to come for God's plans to come to fruition ( Matt. 24:21). Of course the world wants to hear that peace is coming "peace; peace when there is no peace." ( Jeremiah 6:14). There is no peace; however for the wicked as God states in Isaiah 48:22 and other places in that book and the rest of scripture as well.

    Incredibly the world will fall for "the lie" ( 2 Thess. 2:9-12). Whatever utopia is offered (AI or otherwise) God will use to purge the dross
  • Richard H Priday - 2 months ago
    Looking at things from God's perspective

    If we look at events unfolding today; it is no surprise when we see verses such as 1 Peter 4:17 on God judging the church before the world; and the scripture on many falling away in the last days ( 1 Timothy 4:1 and other passages). The events of Revelation MUST take place; and will come to pass after the "restrainer" is removed ( 2 Thess. 2:7).

    Therefore; there is to be expected increasing efforts from the forces of evil under Satan's dominion to attempt to jump start this process. There are many times in recent decades when an apocalyptic scenario unfolded which the Lord stopped from going any further (such as the area of Babylon under Saddam Hussein in the 1990s with the Gulf War looking like an early fulfillment of the final destruction of Babylon). We could go back centuries to see all the Antichrist candidates since Nero (Napolean; Hitler; Mussolini and many other dictators). Of course the main focus of prophecy is Israel who has miraculously been able to hold that tiny strip of land in the Middle East despite many wars (1948 at it's inception; 1967; 1973 and other skirmishes with Lebanon and the current one on many fronts). I personally believe Psalm 83 is beginning to reach it's fulfillment and may end with the Isaiah 17:1 prophecy on the destruction of Damascus (with many weapons said to be underground there and terrorist cells). I believe after success over the surronding nations Israel will at some point sign the Daniel 9:27 covenant with many to avoid futher regional strife with Turkey; Iran and other enemies who will be consolidated under Russia.

    We are; of course to continue to occupy until He comes (for some reason I can't find the verse I want here); and we are to remain as "salt and light" ( Matt. 5:13-14). God uses us to hold back evil but we need to focus on the Great Commission not bringing down a world system. We live as an example to the world ( 1 Peter 3:2 is a good example).
  • Richard H Priday - 3 months ago
    Further insights on Herod's massacre

    The destruction of offspring made in God's image certainly is occurring today; even if it isn't directly related to idol and demon offerings and sacrifices. Exodus 23:7 and Proverbs 24:11 are prescient verses regarding this matter.

    As I stated in the last post; Satan has come close to his goal but ultimately will never succeed. We should heed to God's warnings when destruction is on the horizon; whether war or famine. It is true that we don't always know what is happening but unlike Lot we should seek to remove ourselves from the council of the ungodly (see Psalm 1) before God's wrath comes. The enemy typically works in two ways; either through direct physical persecution or through deceptions involving the mind (or both). The days of sugarcoating his agenda are gone; as seen from the in your face Satanism in the schools and entertainment.

    The attempt to break free from the fetters and boundaries God has set in place (see Psalm 2) seems to show that the attempted overthrow of Christ Himself as stated in the Psalm as well as Revelation 19 isn't that far off.

    We are salt and light; as long as we remain here on this earth in the "church age". 1 Peter 4:17 states that judgment begins at the house of God and the intrusion of many damnable heresies in many churches today started with subtle deception ( Galatians 5:9). It is clear that God's people is a focus of where the enemy intrudes; we see this with colleges an religious studies; for example where the agenda is even more squewed towards leftist leanings there than in other studies. While we have seen in this nation and European ones in particular this attack plan; the enemy has caused more persecution and death than in all history from what some say in the 20th Century; no doubt continuing today. This tends to grow the church; however. That is a fair warning to those steeped in "Christian tradition" or a form of godliness denying the power ( 2 Tim. 3:5-7).
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Lee the Follower:

    Most everyone is looking for something that has already happened.

    They won't believe Christ's words that he fulfilled ALL the prophecies.

    Christ came the SECOND TIME as the NEW CREATION, CHRIST IN YOU, just as he said: I COME as a thief in the night.

    Hebrews 9:27 And as it is APPOINTED (by the prophecies) unto men once to die (on the cross of Christ), but after this the judgement (coming the truth through the word, you and Christ were RAISED as ONE).

    1 Peter 4:17 For the time IS COME that JUDGEMENT (rightly dividing the words of God) must begin at the HOUSE of GOD ....

    Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a SON over HIS OWN HOUSE, whose HOUSE YE ARE ....

    You the house, Christ is the HOUSEHOLDER; you, the house only consist, because of the one that HOLDS YOU.

    Your the BODY of CHRIST, you every movement and thought are OF HIM, and if you don't AGREE with him"

    The wages are DEATH, instead of LIFE.

    Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the SINS of many, and to THEM who LOOK for him he shall APPEAR THE SECOND TIME, without SIN unto SALVATION.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hello again, Richard

    For "F" I think of God's FAITHFULNESS

    He is forever faithful. Deut. 7:9 says He is the faithful God. Psalm 33:4 says that He is faithful in all He does. And Ps. 89:24 says that His love is faithful. Ps. 145:13 says that the LORD is faithful to all of His promises.

    1 Cor. 1:9 says that God is faithful (see also 1 Cor. 10:13. 1 Thess. 5:24 and 2 Thess. 3:3 firms that God is faithful and will keep us and establish us in our life in Christ. Even if we are unfaithful to God, He remains faithful because He cannot deny Himself-

    2 Tim. 2:13

    1 Peter 4:19 says we can commit our self to our Faithful Creator when we suffer. And 1 Jn. 1:9 says God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. And gloriously in Rev. 19:11 Jesus is called Faithful and True.

    So we can depend on God's faithfulness because it is true and trustworthy. It never fails and is never withdrawn or disappears. Nor does it this faithfulness ever deceive us as being unfaithful when He says He is faithful because God cannot be what He is not. Ps. 36:5 and 57:10 say His faithfulness reaches to the skies. It is immeasurably reliable.

    Ps. 89:8 says:

    "O LORD God of hosts, Who is mighty like You, O LORD? Your faithfulness also surrounds You." It is part of His glory that comes from His essence. Ps. 117:2 says His faithfulness endures forever.

    Is. 25 :1 says

    "O LORD, Thou art my God; I will exalt Thee, I will praise Thy name; for Thou hast done wonderful things; Thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth." God's faithfulness and truth cannot be separated, they are aspects of His Essence which is not divided up into separate attributes; all His attributes are unified in His One Essential Nature.

    Is. 42:3 says that in His faithfulness He will bring forth justice. So true justice comes from His faithfulness to Who He is.

    I love Lamentations 3:21-23:

    "This I recall to my mind., therefore I have hope. It is of the LORD's mercy that we are not consumed,

    (see next post)
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 6 months ago
    From what you have described the churches have always had a mingled condition. Most of the books in the New Testament discuss and warn about this mingled condition. 2 Peter, 1, 2, 3, John, even Jude which is known really as the "acts of the apostates" Galatians the Jewdisers, Colossians heresy with Gnostics. The apostles were not even dead and buried and they were dealing with all sorts of mingled conditions within the church. Some of his honest errors and some of it heresy.

    So here we are in the present 2023, we have our current state of affairs, with new modern bible perversions, churches with female pastors/bishops, homosexual pastors, churches consecrating same-sex marriages, feminist-influenced congregations that no longer teach Ephesians 5 wives submitting toward their husband, 1 Corinthians 11 head coverings for women during corporate worship, and the further watering down of the Word of God to please the masses by the clergy.... 2 Timothy 4:3 (KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    Many churches have fallen into a state of apostasy... We are in a very sad state of affairs in today's Christendom.

    So yes in my humble opinion, the churches today are out of order and that is why judgment starts in the house of God.

    1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    GBU
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brother Jordyn,

    >The word of God cuts both ways, a two edged sword.

    >How many husbands love their wives as CHRIST loves the church ..... probably NONE.

    >The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.

    What you wrote in your original post "you are the WIFE of Christ" was bordering on blasphemy. In NO WAY shape or form is the Christian HUSBAND the WIFE of CHRIST in any regard. While this passage Ephesians 5:22-24 draws parallels between the relationship of Christ and the Church and the relationship between a husband and wife, it at no time places the husband on equal footing with the wife. As if the husband being in the "church" makes him the wife of Christ because the Church is the wife of Christ. That mishandling of scripture could be used to justify same-sex marriages and homosexual relations. It is one of the grossest mishandling of scripture I've encountered.

    Several scriptures 1 Peter 3:1, 1 Peter 3:5-6, Col 3:18, Eph 5:22-24 and the common thread running through the entire bible support Christian women to submit to their Christian husbands.

    I usually get an enormous amount of pushback on this subject by both Christian men and women. If they can not even do this how will they do the weightier things of scripture? It is the sad state we find Christendom in today.

    1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Judgement starts in the house of God and so many of our churches are out of order that it is no wonder why!
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Greetings Sister Jema,

    First I will try to respond in love and try to hear what I am trying to share with you. We live in a post-feminist society which has a very great influence upon Christian women AND MEN no matter how spiritual they may be. It is difficult for MEN and WOMEN not to be influenced by it since they are surrounded by it 365 days and year. Feminist ideology is taught in schools...a man taking the lead in the house is seen as wrong and sexist.

    >In my congregation, all ladies cover their heads during congregational services, including our weekly Bible class, during which >women are not permitted to speak.

    First, you are very fortunate to be in such a church as it is in the [extreme] to the uttermost minority!

    1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV) 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    >We cannot ignore the fact that many women know much more about the Bible than some men

    Yet, God is all-knowing foresaw all this but still his divine order for men and women remains?

    >Personally , I'm very glad that I am not able to speak during congregational meetings. So many times I have heard a brother >say erroneous things, if I had been able to correct him publicly...

    Yes, but it isn't your place to do so, especially in the house of God. Other men who do know will correct him.

    >I can always have a quiet, respectful word with him later in private or better still, speak to an understanding brother...

    A much better way to go about it!

    You are VERY fortunate to be in such a church.

    1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Judgement starts in the house of God and so many of our churches are out of order that it is no wonder why!
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 6 months ago
    You have made some good observations here. Now to me it seems like some of that may be explained by the wheat and the tares, key note [bracketed] for emphases below. The wheat of God at once becomes the scene of Satan's activity. Where children of the kingdom are gathered, there "among the wheat"

    Satan "sows" "children of the wicked one," who profess to be children of the kingdom, and in outward ways are so like the true children that only the angels may, in the end, be trusted to separate them. [[[[[[So great is Satan's power of deception that the tares often really suppose themselves to be children of the kingdom.]]]]]] Many other parables and exhortations have this mingled condition in view.

    Children of the wicked one are always religious unbelievers, mere pagan / nonbelievers are never so-called.

    Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

    What about the Western Christian women who do not submit to their Christian husbands and we know probably most of them don't?

    What about the total disregard for Head Coverings I just posted on that.

    Link

    Post-baptismal sin is covered under the blood for sins which we REPENT from not living IN as a way or walk of life and never really turn away from. What is true "repentance" it is like a burning house you never go back to it!

    I liken this to two ships anchored at port. One ship is grounded in the Word and will not move from the harbor by the ebb and flow of the ocean. The second ship anchor is eroded due to continued sin as it continues to drift away from the harbor EVENTUALLY it finds itself lost in the middle of the ocean with no clue how to get back--- apostasy

    1 Peter 4:17 (KJV)
  • Richard H Priday - 6 months ago
    OSAS and "alter calls" and other church issues

    My previous post touched on church doctrine. These days we cannot have assurance that a literal hell is something that is taken seriously; or that only Christ is the way to eternal life. A catechism SHOULD state what a core belief is of such matters; if it is not being adhered to disciplinary action should be taken and if it is some spurious statement we have no business remaining there.

    Many megachurches seem to want to cater to the nonbeliever and rather than aking them tremble at the fear of God and His presence they want to present Christianinty as something that fits into a music venue; social activities and other things that appeal to the flesh. Rather than making coming to Christ the beginning of a death sentence all the verses that Jesus spoke such as Matthew 10:22-24 and numerous other admonitions such as 1 Peter 4:12-19 have to be ignored with such techniques.

    The prosperity gospel shouldn't have to be dissected to show the error; looking at the life of Christ and the Disciples should suffice to show it is utter rubbish. An honest assessment shows that leadership at such places doesn't want to lose parishioners; thus "filthy lucre" and the love of such things ( Titus 1:11) is a deadly vice. Sadly though we see others who are caught up in emotional sentimentality. It is easy of course to be convinced one's girlfriend or boyfriend will turn their affections to God since they show partiality to us. Making Christ appeal to youth with attractive women dressed in worldly apparel or cheap gimmicks will at best cause a few predestined to come to faith to wake up; just as someone who is in a congregation with false doctrines can hear enough of the true Word to be convicted; in other words despite the bad approach rather than because of it. But counting the cost of being a Disciple can't be ignored; as well as challenging those who would bring in error and restricting membership to those who truly believe
  • Jordyn - 7 months ago
    Take up your CROSS and follow me.

    What does taking up your cross and following Jesus imply.

    DEATH, you have to DIE; yet, you are alive; this is the first death, dying to TRUTH, then the judgement: 1 Peter 4:17 The time is (NOW) come, that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD (your the house of God, judged by the words of God).

    Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED (you died on the cross) with Christ; yet I LIVE, yet NOT I, but CHRIST LIVETH in me (YOU are the body of Christ).

    ONLY the BODY of Christ arose from the grave, the NEW CREATION, you are the BODY of Christ, you; flesh and blood, now longer exist, you DIED on the cross, only Christ RESURRECTED exist.

    1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the LIGHT ......

    ! Corinthians 15:54 ...this mortal shall put on IMMORTALITY (Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY) .....

    1 Corinthians 15:49 As you have borne the IMAGE of the EARTHLY, you shall bear the IMAGE of the heavenly .....

    Romans 8:29 ... being predestinated to be conformed TO THE IMAGE of CHRIST ....

    John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE.

    God Bless You!
  • Oseas - In Reply on 1 Corinthians 5 - 7 months ago
    Hi Dgjot

    Praise GOD

    What does the Word of GOD say for this current time, the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium? The Word is GOD, self-executable, understand?

    Romans 6:2-3

    2 Do ye not know that the saints shall Judge the WORLD? and if the WORLD shall be Judged by you(we), are ye(we) unworthy to Judge the smallest matters?

    3 Know ye not that we shall Judge angels (ANGELS of the Churches: Revelation 2:2; and 2:9; and 2:14-17; and 2:20; and 3:1-3; and 3:7-8; and 3:14-18)? How much more things that pertain to this life?

    Daniel 7:22

    22 ... and Judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.

    Revelation 11:15-18

    15 ... The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    18 And the nations were (WILL BE) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Get ready

    1 Peter 4:17 - 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

    John 2:28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Good day, S. Spencer.

    Please go back and read my original reply to Jema. In it I said that he received these revelations straight from

    Christ when he was 3 years in the desert. This agrees with what you said in this reply.

    I said that Paul was intellectually gifted. You said he was brilliant. We agree on this.

    The difference here is that I believe that God used the natural talents He had created in Paul in His ministry once he was converted.

    You say that God used none of these natural talents after conversion.

    So, we disagree on this matter. That's o.k.

    The rest of what you posted about me was unnecessary and demeaning of my character. You do not know my mind or heart when I was replying to you. Only God does. I submit to the Holy Spirit as you do. So, I take offense at you presuming to know my mind and heart and for slandering me on this forum.

    But I do forgive you and love you in Christ. We both know that love covers a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8

    Let's move on from this thread. It would be best to do so.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Chris,

    I appreciate your honesty in expressing your view regarding the Nature of the Bible. That view, to one degree or another, is I believe the view held in the churches of our day. And is the reason that we have such divergent views on so many critical doctrines among the various churches and denominations of our day.

    The Holiness and Authority of the Bible has deteriorated in the churches to such a point that they have become almost unrecognizable in many of their beliefs and practices from even a few decades ago.

    And because of this I believe we are living in the day where 1 Peter 4:17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, and other end time passages are in play.

    God did not write the Bible so that it is easy to read and understand. He wrote it in a way that we must search it out in order to find Truth; and God Himself must lead us into Truth from the Bible as we apply the principles that God has laid out, not man. He wrote the Bible in such a way to not only reveal Truth, but to hide Truth.

    But I am certain that God is in control and is working out His plan for this world in exact accordance with His Word, the Bible.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Good morning Chris,

    You mention "stagnation" in the churches and congregations of our day. I would say it is far more serious that "stagnation".

    If you go into virtually any church to day ant listen to what is being taught, how much different will that be than what you would have found in that same church or denomination 50 or 75 years ago? How much of the World would you see in that church regarding the acceptance of the mores of the World? When was the last time you heard a sermon from the Book of Jeremiah if ever? When was the last time you heard a sermon that focused on the Judgment and Wrath of God for sin?

    What is the Gospel being preached in the churches? Is it a Gospel of Grace alone, where God does 100% of the "work" in saving anyone? Or is it a gospel of Grace plus "works", where Christ has done His part and now its up to us to do our part? Is there any sense at all that not every church member that may appear to be saved may in fact not have become saved and there should be a message of warning to "make our calling and election sure"? Has the gospel in the churches not become more of a social gospel or a political gospel, rather than the True Gospel that we are in terrible trouble with God and desperately need a savior? How many people in the church actually know what they need to be "saved from"?

    When we take an honest look at any church today it is not "stagnation" that we see. Is it not where the Bible has lost its Absolute Authority and the authority has become the creeds and confessions developed hundreds of years ago, or worse the ideas of man and a gospel that we like and not the TRUE Gospel of the Bible? Why do you think there are so many different understandings of so many important doctrines in the various churches when that is only ONE TRUTH?

    1 Peter 4:17
  • David0921 - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Jonah and Ninevites (part 2)

    Matthew 12:41

    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    We see that God had prepared the hearts of the the Ninevites to repent and they did because God had elected them and therefore saved them as is confirmed in Matthew 12:41

    How different was Jonah's preaching to what is currently being proclaimed in the churches of our day? Is it any wonder what we read in 1 Peter 4:17. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Wonderfully God is still saving in our day OUTSIDE the churches. But the Gospel that saves is the Gospel of the Bible. The whole counsel of Judgement for sin and Mercy in salvation.

    Joel 2:12-14

    Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

    Praise God for so great salvation!

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  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Galatians 5:13

    We are instructed to serve one another in regard to our spiritual gifts in this verse. 1 Peter 4:10 indicates this is how we are a good steward of what He has given us.

    In Sunday school today; a discussion came up as to the matter of using gifts. It was correctly mentioned that this principle exists; along with the command of Christ in fulfilling the Great Commission. Therefore; whether we have a gift of serving or evangelism or not these activities should characterize a life of good fruit in maturing in the Lord. I also mentioned how often other individuals in fellowship are good at discerning either our strengths or weaknesses; which can be known or unknown to us at the time. This kind of encouragement to use our gifts should be something we seek out; and the Spirit of God makes it evident to those who are discerning. It was also brought out how someone as a Pastor can be more or less gifted in teaching.

    Perhaps such levels of aptitude can allow those who are elders but not normally pastors can assist in the operation over a church (such positions are interchangeable to some respect as originally meant in scripture from what I am told). It is also fairly certain that a "head pastor" isn't really a title that adheres to scripture; particularly if there ISN'T any other elders; deacons; etc balancing things out. If anything there is someone to hold a Pastor accountable that is missing in that case.

    I also find it interesting the whole core value system of Satanists; as they are for the self rather than interests or needs of others. That; sadly is also much of the focus of today's churches appealing to young singles. Salvation itself involves us becoming part of God's family; adopted as sons as Romans 8; Ephesians 1:5 and other verses indicate. The churches in Revelation 2 and 3 show a focus on individual salvation along with the health of the entire congregation in each synopsis of the 7 churches in question.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    The bigger picture: Brothers and sisters in Christ and the armies of heaven.

    Revelation 2:27 has a cross reference somewhere but it is hard to find...in Psalms regarding the inheritance of the saints and ruling with an iron rod. Of course Christ Himself will do this as shown in Psalm 2:7-9 and elsewhere.

    There are numerous other verses such as in Ephesians on inheritance and what as sons of light we will have someday ( Eph. 5:8; 1 Thess. 5:5). There is also the reference in the Book of Hebrews to the "cloud of witnesses" ( Heb. 12:1) with specific references in the previous chapter to those who lived lives of faith and are in God's "hall of fame" so to speak. Psalm 8:2 even talks of God's strength in the praise of infants; which was quoted in Matthew 11:25 (also see Matthew 21:15-16 for fulfillment).

    Ephesians 6 gives us instructions to be victors on the battlefield with only one offensive weapon; the sword of the Spirit ( Eph. 6:17). This is something only effective when we have the entire defensive mechanism set up to stop the fiery darts of the evil one in the previous verse.

    We often are quick to point out the persecution; wars; famines and other trials that believers go through which is no doubt an essential concern in prayer. The fact is that there is a battle raging all the time for the souls of men; Christ has won the war and ultimately all He has called and chosen will be saved. This doesn't by any means lessen the conflict but gives us assurance that the Lord will direct those who He wills in our paths to minister to; and pray for. 1 Peter 4:19 discusses prosperity and trials as they come and go in our lives; and Ecclesiastes 7:14 shows God's Providence. I would state that it appears when things are going well it is a more accurate test to determine faithfullness as that is when sin in most likely to take root. In adversity many will fear the Lord; but the faithful will not forget His benefits ( Deuteronomy 8:10-18). Also read Eph. 2:10
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    A messenger of Satan

    When looking at the life of Paul ( 2 Cor. 12:17) or that of Job (focusing on chapter 1 and 2 with ramifications through the rest of the book) we see how Satan was actively interfering with and causing suffering for two great men of God. As we know Peter also was given thoughts from Satan ( Mark 8:33); and I recently brought up how that was very soon after something was revealed directly from the Holy Spirit; namely Christ's Divinity ( Matt. 16:17).

    These verses give us two major concepts to ponder; first that those who are truly serving the Lord are going to be attacked; and secondly that in a way as a part of the suffering promised to us ( 2 Timothy 3:12) we can be assured that we are one of His own.

    That ties into the series I am planning to put forth on assurance of salvation; but I am going to focus on this theme for a moment. I believe that it is fundamental in understanding Ephesians 6:12 and in general to how spiritual oppression and attacks shouldn't be ignored as what we will experience. In fact; all those who oppose us are more or less in league with the god of this world ( 2 Cor. 4:4; 1 Peter 4:12-19).

    Okay; I am going to pursue this one avenue (I prevaricated above). Satan is the accuser of the brethren ( Rev. 12:10). Since He often begins with the mind dangling the carrot of temptations and the like; then accusing us when we succumb to it brings thoughts that we have of being lost; unworthy; or an overall fear as a result of his minions affecting us. We need to differentiate between a Holy Spirit conviction of John 16:8 and that of our accuser. Also; when we sin and don't seek forgiveness Satan acts as a usurper with the legal authority we have opened up and this is allowed by the Lord oftentimes to buffet us. There is a difference between embracing a lifestyle of sin and momentary lapses. Remember that worldly sin brings death; Godly sorrow leads to repentance. ( 2 Cor. 7:10).
  • Donna Stephens - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Amen, Brother Ronald Whittemore:

    WE are saved yet by FIRE ---- 1 Corinthians 3:13

    Our God is a consuming FIRE ---- Hebrews 12:29

    God is the WORD --- the word is GOD ---- John 1:1

    I will baptise YOU with the HOLY GHOST and FIRE

    You are BORN AGAIN by the WORD of GOD

    Every time we read and study the WORD we are being judged and baptised with the FIRE OF THE LORD

    FIRE is the judgement of GOD

    Psalms 37:28 For the Lord loveth JUDGEMENT ....

    2 Corinthians 5:10 .... we all must appear before he judgement seat .....

    1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE of the LORD

    Hebrews 3:6 But Christ --- the WORD --- the SEED ---- the FIRE ---who is a son over his OWN HOUSE, whose House we are ...

    The WORD of GOD is the FIRE OF GOD

    And they were CAST ALIVE into the lake of fire --- the JUDGING WORD'S of GOD ----

    You are save and born again by FIRE and WATER --- the living fire and the living water ---- the LAKE of FIRE ----

    God bless you.
  • Chris - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hi again Jimbob, I just noticed your comment addressing Jesse & myself, & in particular to your references, Mark 13:13 & Matthew 24:13.

    Both Jesse & I agreed with you that Strongs #5278 for 'endure' is correct. And that word is 'hupomeno'. However, the word 'endure' is not just a word on its own, but is qualified by the words, "that shall endure". Here, Jesse would give a better explanation of Greek grammar, but the word 'hupomeno' is no longer just an 'endurance' (which it certainly is), but in those verses, it changes to 'hypomeinas', to give the intended meaning by the writer. So, what you should be reading in the verses, is not just 'endurance to the end', but 'having endured to the end'; and this now gives our reading a different perspective. Where a cursory reading would imply 'one can only be saved if he endures to the end', a proper reading would assert the 'one who is saved will endure to the end'.

    Leaving those verses aside & just thinking of an English example to give you (which is unrelated to the verses); if I said to you, as passenger in my car, 'a car is coming right behind me', or expressed it this way, 'a car is right behind me', I'm sure you would pick up on the nuance, exactly where the other car is positioned, apart from the look on my face. Even though 'coming' is understood as to where the car is approximately located, how I express its correct position helps you understand if we are in imminent danger of being hit.

    Re: 1 Peter 1:7. Peter is writing to the strangers (Christian sojourners (of the diaspora) in Asia Minor), who were going through 'manifold temptations' for their faith - faithfully living in a pagan & hostile society; as also in 1 Peter 3:14-17. Also, the coming trials ( 1 Peter 4:12-19) upon them & Christians throughout the world generally. Their faith was already on test, not just prior to Christ's coming, but having come through their present & future trials, their victory would be to their credit & Christ's recognition. GBU.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    According to the one well known teacher (whose name I suppose I should keep out of here); theoretically someone could do such a thing. He may have retracted somewhat from a statement made over 40 years ago; but clearly a stronger apology should have been given.

    I strongly support the theory that the mark will be a genetic mutation to take the DNA of the Angel of Abaddon or Apollyon who is the king of the bottomless pit. He is the one who comes out immediately before the two prophets are killed; resurrected and then Antichrist appears to come back from his deadly wound. That will probably give a promise of eternal life and indestructibility to those who take this mark. This ties into the Nephilim and the fallen angels who were not given any reprieve; and explains why Noah was said to be "perfect in his generations" in Genesis 6. It is likely that the suffering for 5 months will be the final conditioning for this to occur after the seal and most of the trumpet judgments. Perhaps they will blame the believers for all of that suffering; as certainly is indicated by their response when the 2 prophets are killed.

    There is no doubt that much compromising in today's largely Laodicean church will allow the slip into the Mystery Babylon harlot church after the Rapture.

    The lack of belief in many fundamental core doctrines even among "evangelicals" is quite shocking. I'm sure hell itself isn't viewed literally by a large percentage if not the majority of professing believers today. You can't have a Holy God and eternal life in heaven without an opposite fate; and that goes with the contrast between God's love and hate; mercy and justice; grace and wrath. Remember the Prophets such as Jeremiah the weeping prophet when seeing such evil to come; Jesus Himself did this when He knew the fate of Israel at large rejecting Him. Be encouraged; you are not alone-continue to sound the trumpet.

    Judgment begins with the house of God ( 1 Peter 4:17).

    Be blessed.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello, Asafo,

    Rev. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."

    I won't be until the return of Jesus on the Last Day that we will receive our full redemption. We will be made new again through the resurrection or translation of our bodies. When that happens, we will never again know sorrow, pain, affliction, persecution, anguish. Jesus will destroy the heavens and the earth and make new heavens and a new earth.

    In John 16:33 Jesus says, " In this world ye shall have tribulation: But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

    Jesus said that this life will be full of troubles. Some due to sin and the corruption of this world: hardships, diseases, etc. And others due to persecution and sufferings because we believe in Jesus and belong to Him.

    We can know that the sufferings we experience in this life are intended to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle us in the one true faith that is in Jesus. 1 Peter 5 10

    1 Peter 4:12-16 speaks of the our attitude in suffering and trials. We should not be surprised when it happens, rather rejoice and glorify God in our trials.

    Asafo, this life is a fallen life. it is marked by our own sinful nature and that of every other person. The world is corrupted because of man's sin. Therefore, God allows things to happen in the lives of Christians to test us and build us up to be able to stand firm under trial and tribulation. One day we may have to face death for our faith in Jesus. We can see our temporary sufferings at the present preparing us to stand in the last days, if we live to be in that time of great Tribulation and apostasy that will come before Christ returns for us ( 2 Thessalonians 2)

    But we look forward to the inheritance of eternal life and the full redemption of our body, soul, and spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    When He comes to receive us to Him, He will then bring the wrath of God upon the wicked and the corrupted earth. Believers will be not suffer this wrath.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi GiGi,

    Has been a minute, and my understanding is the pre-trib rapture is not supported by scripture. I have not found any verse that says we go or are taken to heaven. If those who are living when it starts and are looking to be taken to heaven, will they be prepared? Will they be able to face the temptation that is coming? (Take the mark or die?) Rev. 3:10 to keep thee from, does that mean taken away and not have to face it?

    Or to keep, the Greek word tre means to guard, observe, watch over, attend to carefully, to keep, one in the state in which he is. The temptation which the meaning is more of a trial as in 1 Peter 4:12-13 same Greek word peirasmos. If we are here, He will give us strength and we can stand on what Jesus said; "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

    Just a thought on what you said in one of your posts (the Gospels of matt. Mk. Lk. and in John says the resurrection is on the "Last Day")

    I do not know your understanding of the last day, or if you believe in a literal 1000-year reign on earth that starts with the return of Jesus and the first resurrection, Rev. 20:4-6. Some understand the first resurrection as all the saved and the white throne judgment for the unsaved lost.

    My understanding of the scriptures is they do not line up with, all the saved being resurrected first, and the white throne is for all the lost. I know some things have not been revealed. I have studied this and have an understanding of it but just wondering if you have any thoughts on it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • David0920 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Adam

    We are really talking here about the Nature of Salvation.

    Eph 2:8-10

    For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    So what is a "work" or a "good work"? A "good work" is obedience to any commandment of God that applies to us.

    During the Church Age (which I believe has now ended and we are livling in the period that God calls The Great Tribulation, Matt 24 & 1 Peter 4:17) we were commanded to be baptzed in water if we identified with a local church. But water baptism was a cermonial sign, like the Lords Supper (Communion), and we no longer are to observe these ceremonial signs and that believers actually have been commanded to get out of the local churches. Just like when Jesus came physically the first time, God was finished with National Isreal as His corporate representation and we no longer observe the cermonial laws of the old testiment.

    But even during the Church Age, water baptism was still a WORK which we were commanded to observe and did not contiribute to our salvation in any way. Just as the observance of the Old Testement ceremonial laws did not contirbute to the salvation of any Old Testement believer.

    Mark 16:16 is talking about the baptism that SAVES, it is the baptism that God performs in washing away our sins. Not water baptism.

    And if we are TRUSTING in any WORK that we do, including the WORK of water baptism as initiating, maintaining, assisting, supporting, etc. our salvation in any way, we are walikng on very dangereous ground (Read Galations, in particular Gal 2:16) and falling into the same snare as some of the early New Testement Jews. Note also in Gal 2:16 that the faith by which we are saved is Christ's faith, not our faith.
  • David0920 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The End of The Chuech Age

    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

    I believe the Bible teaches that 1 Peter 4:17 applies particularly to the day in which we are living. And that God has commanded all true believers to leave the local churches and congregations. If you go into virtually any church today and drill down to what they believe, the Bible is NOT the ultimate authority. And that they are teaching a works / grace gospel which is not the gospel of the Bible. The Bible teaches, I believe, that we are in the period of The Great Tribulation, Read Matt 24, where Christ has abandoned the local churches and congregations, God the Holy Spirit is no longer saving there, and Satan is actually rulling there.

    Wonderfully though God, in His incomprehensible Mercy, is still saving OUTSIDE of the churches "a great multitude which no man can number" Rev 7:9 during this period of the Latter Rain.

    I'm sure many will take issue with this. But I would encourage anyone to check out searchinghisword for messages and literature that are faithfully declaring what the Bible is teaching about our day.

    May God lead us into truth as we search out His Word, the Bible.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The Lukewarm church and its effects.

    As a reminder these posts are in view of a revival in the Church to be a light to any nation with 1 Peter 4:17 and Revelation Ch 2 and Ch 3 in mind.

    Here is an article from the late Chuck Missler.

    Chuck Missler Part 1.

    These seven letters constitute "report cards" of the performance of each church, containing commendations and admonitions regarding needed correction: "good news" as well as "bad news." And, apparently, each church is surprised. Those who thought they were doing well, were not. Those who thought they weren't doing so well were encouraged and doing better than they knew. (Each of these letters gives us insight and food for introspection.)

    However, two of them have no good news at all: Sardis and Laodicea. Sardis is dead; "Christian" in name only.2 Unfruitful denominationalism, apparently.

    Regarding Laodicea, Jesus is really sick of "lukewarm" Christianity. He is about to vomit: " Revelation 3:16"

    They think they are "rich and in need of nothing," but are actually "miserable, poor, blind, and naked." That's about as graphic and antithetical as you can get.

    There are many who lay the blame for the astonishing and sinister years of the Holocaust in Germany in the 1940s at the feet of the silent pulpits in Germany. Let's take stock of ourselves: Why is the divorce rate among Christians no better than among unbelievers? Is the "Gospel" preached in your church? Can you even define it? ( 1 Cor 15:1-4). What is the status of Biblical literacy in your fellowship? Is there an effective program underway to improve it? (We could continue to explore the impending enslavement of America, but that's a topic for another article!)

    See Chuck Missler part 2.


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