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1 John 2 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Dr. Derek - in Reply on Ecclesiasticus 15
    Dear Sir or Madam,

    Thank you for the insult "You are obviously not aware of the Scriptures." Do you mean scriptures like Matthew 5:11 and 1 Peter 4:14?

    Let's address your claim: "The Bible is to the Israelites only."

    Is that true? Since there is a lack of evidence for this how can we be certain if your statement is true or not?

    Maybe you believe that because Jesus focused his ministry on Israel as said in Matt 15:24. But that doesn't automatically mean his teachings weren't for others, does it?

    1 John 2:2 - this says Jesus died for the sins of the 'whole world', not just Israelites. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

    John 10:16 - Jesus was ministering to one fold (flock) and said He had others. Could this mean He was talking about people in other countries besides Israel?

    Romans 3:29 - this clearly says God is the God of not just Jews but Gentiles too. Doesn't that contradict what you said?

    Isaiah 42:6 - same thing. This means He will be a light to other nations. This means the ministry DID include other people besides Israelites.

    Acts 2:21 - Everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved. If what you said was true it would say [Only Israelites] who call upon... But it clearly says "everyone."

    Have you read the above scriptures and what do they mean to you?

    Do you believe all moral law is Israel-only like murder, adultery, theft, idols? So, do you think God is ok with non-Israel people committing those sins?
  • David
    Your Freedom Your Will Your Choice

    The one thing that attracted me years ago to the word was the Love of God shown by Jesus Christ, and in

    Romans 2:4 second half its the goodness of God that leadeth thee to repentance[ a change of mind leading to a change

    of heart]. According to 1 Timothy 2:2 Gods will is to have all men saved to be saved and to come to the knowledge of

    the truth. In John 3:16 which is familiar to most if not all of us, God so loved the world that he gave[it was his will to

    save his creation includes all men] his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have

    everlasting life. 17 he that believeth on him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already.

    The reason is stated next because they loved there own deeds or works which were wrong being blinded by Pride

    greed lust literally loved themselves at the expense many times of others lives that's evil. So don't tell me I'm

    doing anything wrong I've got everything I want so why should I change. They loved there deeds and are blinded by

    2 Corinthians 4:4 the god of this world still what you sew is what you reap and they are without excuse. 1 John 2:15+16

    can dim the Glow of Gods light in us if we allow it also be not quick to condemn

    or judge, we at one time were there. We plant and water in Love but Father gives the increase. Jesus Christ spent a lot more time teaching principles of our Fathers love and

    walking with God than the end result of unbelief because Gods desire is to have no one join or taken down by

    His Arch enemy. Weare indeed the preservers or the Salt until we are gathered together. Just some heart
  • Adam
    Christians have a decision to make: whether to trust and follow God's morals or the world's morals? Christianity (folllowing Jesus) isn't a one time event, but a lifelong pursuit. 1 Corinthians 9:24. It says to run the race (effort); it doesn't say the race is already finished. Some get off course and don't care.

    Some Christians follow God's morals only to the point where it conflicts with the world's morals, then proceed with the world's morals instead. The result is following the world ( 1 John 2:15).

    Despite Acts 2:38 saying to be baptized, some say "don't" be baptized.

    Despite John 14:6 saying to go to Jesus, some say to go through a 'prophet' or pope.

    Despite James 4:17 saying to avoid sin, some claim it's bad and 'legalism' to avoid sin.

    Despite Psalm 139:13 saying unborn babies are special, some claim killing them is ok.

    Despite Ezra 7:13 saying people have freewill, some claim they "don't" have freewill.

    Despite Matthew 7:13 saying most people will go to hell, some say most will "not" go to hell.

    Despite Matthew 10:28 warning us about hell, some say "there is no hell."

    Despite 1 Timothy 2:12 saying women shouldn't teach, some say they "should."

    Despite Leviticus 20:13 saying homosexuality is a sin, some say it's "not" a sin.

    Despite John 15:10 saying to obey, some say it's ok to "not" obey.

    Despite John 1:1 saying Jesus (the Word) is God, some say Jesus is "not" God.

    Despite 1 John 5:7 saying 3 are one, some say the 3 are "not" one.

    The rationalizing pattern seems to be: "No, the Bible doesn't say [what it actually says], but says [something I'm more comfortable with]". This format seems awfully similar to Genesis 3:4 where satan says "Ye shall NOT surely die." Satan is called the father of lies for a reason and some Christians assume they are immune to it.

    Rationalizing the world's morals over God's morals seems to require ignoring scripture. Does anyone agree?

    So, should we follow God's Word or man's word (which might be satan's word)?

    God bless...
  • S Spencer
    The conclusion of all things.

    Revelation 22:1-7.

    Let's skip ahead to 2 neglected verses.

    Revelation 22:10-11. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

    Here's where the unjust will remain unjust, and the just will remain just. Meaning judgement is past tense by the time we get here.

    Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Sounds familiar? ( 1 Corinthians 3:14-15.)

    Revelation 22:14-15. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    Verse 14 we have the redeemed! They're the just that will stay just mentioned in verse 11. How did they do his commandments? By Atonement!

    Romans 3:24-28.

    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

    To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

    Also: 1 John 2:1-2.

    And Hebrews 10:14-17.

    Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    God bless.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister GiGi, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    There are TWO realms of understanding, man understanding with a carnal mind, or the understanding with CHRIST MIND.

    Every person ever created of the dust of the earth, is God's temple, most haven't had this revealed to them, therefore, all mankind, is the CHURCH.

    Every person, whether they are male or female is the WOMAN.

    The MAN, Jesus Christ is the HUSBAND of the WOMAN.

    1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman (bride) learn in silence with all subjection (to Christ, her husband).

    1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not the woman to usurp authority over the man ( Jesus Christ, the husband), but to be in silence.

    1 Timothy 2:13 For (the second) Adam was NOT DECEIVED, but the WOMAN being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

    1 Timothy 2:14 Notwithstanding, she (the WOMAN) shall be SAVED IN CHILDBEARING (giving birth to truth, life, the way, CHRIST IN US), if they (the CHURCH) continue in FAITH (OF CHRIST) and CHARITY (OF CHRIST) and HOLINESS (OF CHRIST) with SOBRIETY (OF CHRIST).

    If the woman has questions, she should as the man, her husband, Christ. ( 1 John 2:27).

    We suffer from words of rebuke by those that have NOT YET had the carnal mind DESTROYED and CREATED afresh to the mind of Christ.

    Isaiah 11:9 ....for the earth shall be full of the KNOWLEDGE of the LORD ....

    God bless and keep speaking HIS WORDS.
  • Earl Bowman
    WHO Is SATAN

    Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT (Satan) was more subtil than any BEAST of the Field which the Lord God Had made...

    God made ALL THE BEAST of the field out of DUST, The BEAST are all made FLESH.

    1 Corinthians 15:39 Not all flesh is the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of man, another of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

    Which of these creations of FLESH is the MOST SUBTIL, Of course it's MAN.

    Job 26:13 By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His (Spirits) hand hath formed he crooked (liar and murderer, from the beginning) serpent (subtil beast).

    1 John 2:16 ..The lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life..

    Which of these creations of FLESH have the capabilities to have the pride of life, lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, of course it's MAN.

    James 2:19 thou (terrestrial FLESH) believest there is one one God, thou doest well, the devils (Satan, terrestrial FLESH) also BELIEVE, and tremble.

    Revelation 13 :8 Here is wisdom let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the BEAST (FLESH): for his number is the number of a MAN..

    Who is the ONLY beast of the field that is subtil, can lust, can BELIEVE and can buy and sell. Why of course, it's MAN, THE PRINCE(S) OF THIS WORLD.

    You BELIEVE, long before you are BORN AGAIN. Terrestrial FLESH, the carnal mind, has to BE DESTROYED (it's the process of light replacing darkness).

    1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (terrestrial flesh) to Satan (terrestrial flesh) for the DESTRUCTION of the Flesh, that the Spirit might be SAVED in the day of the Lord.

    Isaiah 9:20 ..they shall every man EAT THE FLESH OF HIS OWN RIGHT ARM.

    Zechariah 14:12 ..their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet..

    Revelation 19:18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and he flesh of captains, and the flesh of might men..

    Romans 13:11 ..now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

    WORK OUT YOU OWN SALVATION

    PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF
  • GiGi - in Reply
    Good post!

    I think that 1 john 2:27 does teach us that the Holy Spirit will guide our learning, but it does not say we should learn alone or in a vacuum. We are to teach and exhort one another, building one another and edifying those who we interact with in Christ. I have learned many things from the Holy Spirit in a private setting. These teachings and illumination of Scripture by the Holy Spirit are very obvious and easily identified as being from Him. I have learned many things from the preaching of my pastor. Sometimes, unbeknownst to me, he preaches on a passage of Scripture I just read the night before. Many times I learn from a Bible study. But I think that I learn the most when i am with my friends of 40+ years and we talk life, kids, concerns, and the great things Jesus is doing in us each day.
  • S Spencer
    Hi Sister GiGi.

    Thanks for the reply.

    You are absolutely right, Revelation Ch 2 and 3, is a great study for the Church, and it instructs us in the right direction and shows us what's lacking. I can see some truth in what Matt is saying, Today some seem to want to sit around and talk over scripture in a round table setting with no virtue from the discussion. There seems to be a push to excuse or accept anything as long as one "says" he or she loves Jesus. A true believer shouldn't be totally lacking in fruit barren. When we feed on the "sincere" word whether by reading or one's teaching and we seek truth there should be spiritual growth at some point. We often quote and misuse 1 John 2:27. here I think John is talking about the Spirit giving revelation. Because the Lord gifted the Church with teachers and if their message is true there is a spiritual growth goes on that we have no control of, it's a leading out to green pasture. If the message is false we flee! That's revealed by the Spirit as well.

    Luke 17:20-21. I hold the view that the Lord is saying in their midst. The kingdom of God is not coming the way the Pharisees expected. it want be with observation where he would come and usher out the Romans. God was ruling in the hearts of some people and the king was standing in front of them. John the baptist said in Matthew 3:1-2. In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

    And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. and also Jesus Matthew 4:17. From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. However they rejected their king, "He will return". Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. we do know they seen him again, What this means is behold him as a nation. And that will be done in the Millennium when he sits on David's throne.

    God bless you.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Millennium kingdom.

    Part 6.

    The Millennium will be the time when there will be the full manifestation of the glory, the power and the will of God over this earth. And all agree that this is not in evidence today. You'll not have hospitals, you'll not have graveyards, you'll not have the suffering nor broken hearts and lives when Christ is reigning on this earth. And it's an insult to my Lord to say that the Kingdom of Heaven is being built today and is in existence on this earth. When He is reigning you won't have the tragedy that presently exists throughout the world.

    Millennium takes its label, is detailed in numerous passages including Revelation 20, Isaiah 65, and Ezekiel 40-48, among others. Ezekiel's detailed tour of the Millennial Temple virtually defies any skeptic's attempt to treat it allegorically.

    1 John 2:27. Is not a verse we use to defy scripture. Any revelation from the Holyspirit should line up with Gods written word, and what Jesus taught.

    John 14:26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    One can symbolize all the scripture and twist it to say what ever. This is Dangerously flawed!!

    Jesus said MY sheep hear my voice, to follow another voice and turn from the call of the great shepherd then you're not his sheep.

    Paul says Galatians 1:6-8. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    2 John 1:9-10.

    Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

    God bless.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Brother Kevin, You can have all kinds of bible dictionaries and concordances and translations. But, because so much of scripture is signified, these don't fully help.

    The ONLY way to understand God's word is for him to TEACH YOU.

    The word of God and the HOLY SPIRIT is all you need.

    1 John 2:27

    Never cease asking for him to GIVE you the FULLNESS of the SPIRIT.
  • Kevin - in Reply
    Brother Earl may Christ bless us and increase us in His heavenly wisdom.

    I have been reading many of your posts over the last 6 months and am in agreement with much of the what you have said as inspired by Him. Funny thing is that I had been meaning to to ask you the same thing that English Sachs said also. I believe 1 John 2:27 similar as God grants us more insight as we mature in Him. When I became a man I put away the childish things. Or more recently as when the day star rises in you.

    Anyway, what about Act 1:9-11, I am still still believing that there will be some in flesh that repopulate the earth during His reign. Or in Zechariah where His feet will touch the mount and split the earth.

    Also, believe in the resurrection of the just and unjust.

    We could also put on in a moment and twinkling of and eye our celestial bodies and still be here like Christ on the road to Emmanus. Very soon the heavens will be rolled back like a scroll!

    Mainly just wanted to know what you thought about Acts 1:9-11.

    May we all have great patience and love for one another as we move forward and upward in Christ!

    May God bless you brother Earl
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Sacha, let this verse be you cornerstone in studying the scriptures.

    1 John 2:27
  • T. Levis - in Reply
    James 1:5-6, 1 John 2:27,

    Sometimes I feel we're on a 'need to know' basis: GOD reveals many things as we need to know. Sometimes I've wondered about something & right away GOD's given me the answers. Other times it was years. Sometimes I've read scripture then another time reading, something powerful is revealed that I hadn't noticed beforehand or the fact my circumstances have changed giving me deeper understanding. I will also pray you have deeper understanding. Philippians 1:6,

    I would like to point out however the correlation between Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, & the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke & John are insightful to me understanding it to be prophetic. Isaiah 52:7-14,

    Hopefully this is helpful & encouraging.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Isaiah 18
    1 John 2:27-29
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 18
    Sister GiGi, I was not trying to convey anything to you. The words are God's words and he will convey through his Spirit any truths he want's revealed to you.

    From you comment he is already causing you to see with different eyes.

    1 John 2:27

    Isaiah 28:9-11

    GBU
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Brother Ronald, question are always good, that why we have the Holy Spirit.

    1 John 2:27

    Matthew 21:22
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Psalms 3
    Hi Renee.

    Once we have given our life to the Lord with a pure heart God will make his abode with you. John 14;23.

    I would say start out reading and studying the word in prayer. Some make the mistake and read the bible as if its an ordinary book, " It is a collection of 66 books that harmonize as one authored by God himself and revealed to us by the Holyspirit that abides in us when converted. Study with faith and patience and often as you can and the Lord will reward you as he pleases.

    KEYS: ( Trust in the Lord.)

    Here is a few things worth mentioning:

    #1. Its not how many times you have read the bible that opens eyes, It's the empty vessel and pure heart that you take to the Lord.

    #2. Starting out stay away from studying viewpoints. Often people let a viewpoints shape their theology rather than letting their theology shape their viewpoints.

    #3. Get a hold of a good concordance, and perhaps a King James study bible.

    #4. Don't spiritualize all the text, And there is nothing wrong with asking questions, test everything in the light of scripture. FELLOWSHIP IS IMPORTANT!

    #5. Don't be discouraged by the false teachers, and learn to mark them. ( Mathew 7:15-20. ) They should have the fruit of the spirit. Galatians 5:22-23.

    #6. Start afresh. Scrap all the conceptions you have of the bible or that you have heard and let the Holyspirit guild you.

    #7. Let your study be the main source of your revelation.

    NOTE:

    1 John 2:27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Also Read 1 Corinthians 2:10-16.

    There is some great teachers on this site that I'm sure will be more than happy to help you as you go on your journey.

    God bless.
  • T.Levis - in Reply
    James 1:5

    Mark 13:13

    John 14:26

    1 John 2:27, 1 John 2,

    Some of us have to pray for understanding
  • Tony Russo - in Reply
    Hi, Chris and Rick. I am only going to place English for each text I previously sent in the Greek. Romans 3:22, "Da pisteoos Ieesou Christou," "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," OR, "the faith that comes through Him."

    In Acts 3:16, The faith which is from (Or BY HIM)." "to onoma autou kai hee pistis hee di autou. If this verse were to read "Faith IN Jesus" rather than "Faith BY Him," the only way to translate this is, "OUR faith in Jesus Christ," healed the man!



    Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, "Ho de nun zoo en sarki en pistei zoo tee tou Huiou tou Theou." Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writers of Scriptur. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. The English robs God of His mercy and goodness in this last act with the lost. What word do you find in the Greek? Have you traced it? Let me know what you find. You will be amazed at the wealth of meaning the translators took from us!

    I have experienced a profound faith from Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son!

    He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness. Death waited for anyone who came into the Holy Place except for the High Priest. It is the devils lie telling us we can become as gods!

    Leviticus 16 has also given me further insight into what was required by the nation of Israel as they worshipped God on the Day of Atonement. On who did they place their faith?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply
    Sister Renee, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    You have a priest and that priest LIVES IN YOU and he will CAUSE you to understand his words if you never cease ASKING him. You have to read and study, and the more you READ and STUDY and ASK and BELIEVE, the more he will reveal to you.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing you which you have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teach you all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, you shall abide in him.

    Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU .......

    GBU
  • Tony Russo - in Reply on Romans 3:4
    Hello Chris, You are correct about Romans 3:4, I gave a wrong text! Thank you for your comments. Some may read our thinking as a difference in semantics. Time for the Greek. Romans 3:22 reads in the KJV, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe." By faith of Jesus Christ in the Greek reads, , "By THE faith of Jesus Christ," or the faith that comes through Him. In Acts 3:16, "The faith which is From Him" is, " " If instead the phrase reads "faith IN Jesus Christ'" it could only mean OUR faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20 reads in the Greek, , . Translators have often used their own theology which can drastically change the true intent of the inspired writes of Scripture. For instance, look up the Greek for "torment" in Rev 20:10. Tell me the actual word.

    I have experienced a profound faith in Christ. Only He could say, at the tomb of Lazarus, John 11:42, of the Father, "I know You always hear Me." My faith has grown to know our Father always hears me if He hears it from the Son! He is called our Advocate in 1 John 2:1. He defends us before the Father as High Priest, who offers His own life and merits on the sinner's behalf. Heaven has given us the gift of faith, Ephesians 2:8-9, to know, believe and trust ourselves to the High Priest. This is the only way to the Father that pleases Him. We dare not come to Him in our faith. Otherwise, we are entering the Most Holy Place in our own name and dishonor His Holiness.

    Chris, my understanding has given me a freedom of absolute surrender to Christ I never experienced. It certainly does not distract my belief in the gospel. I no longer look at my faith to speak to the Father. I now speak to Him through the faith of Jesus. I never have to say again, "I wish I had stronger faith." I do have it! It is my faith in His faith for me!
  • Adam - in Reply
    You didn't cite one Bible verse supporting your feelings, I wonder why.

    Just 1 scripture shows whether what you said is true or false:

    John 1:1

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    "...WORD WAS GOD."

    Is Jesus the Word? Yes, John 1:14.

    This verse is like kryptonite to those who don't want to believe in Jesus's divinity, because it leaves no room for creative interpretation. Anti-Jesus folks hate this verse and will perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to make it mean something else, but it doesn't work. It already means exactly what it says.

    But is that the only verse saying that Jesus is God? There's more...

    1 John 5:7

    Genesis 1:26

    Genesis 11:6-7

    John 10:30

    John 8:19

    John 1:1

    Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

    2 Corinthians 5:19

    John 1:3

    1 John 5:7

    Matthew 28:19

    1 Peter 1:2

    2 Corinthians 13:14

    Deuteronomy 6:4

    John 14:10

    John 20:28

    1 John 5:8

    1 John 2:22-24

    Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

    Matthew 1:23-25

    Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
  • Brother dan - in Reply
    Bro Alex,

    Thanks for your response, always appreciate your thoughts, and viewpoints.

    Yes, I agree, we are all like the thieves being crucified next to Jesus. We are all sinners, and Jesus was the pure sin free lamb sacrificed for us. Wow!!!!

    John 1:29

    "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

    1 John 2:2

    "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

    1 Peter 1:19

    "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"

    I can find no words to express my gratitude to Jesus for HIS Sacrifice. I pray that his Holy Spirit will help to manifest in me what comes from my heart and mouth to help produce the good fruit that is so desirable.

    Matthew 15:11

    "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

    God Bless
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply
    Precious friends, more testing on: (1) the 'missing common' books Joel; Amos; 1 John; 2 John; 3 John; 1 Jn; 2 Jn; 3 Jn; 1 jn; 2 jn; 3 jn; ie:

    Joel 1:1; Amos 2:2; 1 John 3:3; 1 John 2:2,4,6,8,10,12,13,15,18,25,28,29; 1 jn 2:8-17;

    2 Jn 1:1 1 Jn 2:1,4,7,8,11,12,14,16,19,25,27; 3 jn 1:1; 3 John 2:15 {oops} 3. Jn 2:15 ?

    (2) "You may list multiple Bible verse references in a row separated by a space {?}, period, comma, semicolon and they should link properly.":

    Double checking, because I had a problem with an error, followed by a 'space,' causing the 'next Good' reference to MIS'link' {not found 'msg'}, compound errors ): ie: IF I ERR on Mis-typing ONE character?:

    ....error(s): Exo 1:1 Lev 1:1. Exo 1:1. Lev 1:1, Exo 1:1, Lev 1:1; Exo 1:1; Lev 1:1

    Correction?: Ex 1:1 Lev 1:1. Lv 2:2, Leviticus 3:3; Rev 22:21

    e: det 1:2 Num 1:1. C?: Dt 1:2 Num 1:1

    e: dut 1:3 Josh 1:1, C?: Dt 1:3 Josh 1:1

    e: Dtr 4:4 Judg 1:1; C?: Dt 4:4 Judg 1:1

    Also, Possible {space} errors?: for John 1:1

    dut 1: 1 Jn 1:1. half fixed?: dut 1:1. Jn 1:1 dut 1:1, Jn 1:1 dut 1:1; Jn 1:1

    dut 1: 2 Jn 1:1, fixed?: deut 1:2 Jn 1:1

    dut 1: 3 Jn 1:1; TOTAL fix: Dt 1:3 Jn 1:1 or Dt 1:3. Jn 1:1 or Dt 1:3, jn 1:1 dt 1:3; Jn 1:1

    crazy {perfectionist} me, eh? Aren't computers FUN? :) Admittedly, these are probably going to be RARE errors, but just in case, my suggestion:

    Use . , ; instead of spa ces to avoid these errors? :)

    Thanks in Advance for YOUR patience... God BLESS!
  • Chris - in Reply on John 1
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    Brother Ronald. Thank you once again for your comments. I agree, whether Ignatius, Polycarp or any other succeeding them, even the Apostle Peter himself, can all be found in error in some doctrine or teaching ( Galatians 2:11-14). Though, my point was in their belief in the Deity of Christ.

    To your references on the Trinity 'fallacy': Revelation 21:22. God is Spirit - the Spirit of God is within the Godhead - the Lamb (post resurrection) is in His glorified State, as the Incarnate Word of God made flesh & now in Glory. Jesus is no longer the Word of God within God's Being, but His Word made flesh, risen & reigning at the Father's right Hand.

    1 John 2:22-24. You seem to be well studied brother. Then you would know that 1st John was written explicitly to confront the errors of Gnosticism (& other false teaching) that were running rampant in the Church. The discussion begins from verse 18, concerning the many 'anti-christs' in the Church, deceiving the believers by their lies & corruption of accepted apostolic teaching. The prevailing Docetic (an off-shoot of Gnosticsm) heresy was that "the incarnation was incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, as a body of flesh".

    Then in the reference you gave, the question from John is, "who is a liar?" The liar is that one who has come to you denying the incarnation, saying 'it's impossible for a Holy God, Who is Spirit, to unite with sinful flesh by having a Son: "but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". This would have reference not only to the Jews that deny Jesus as their Messiah, but certainly to those who went by the name of 'Christian'; they who denied either His proper Deity, or real Humanity, as Ebion and Cerinthus, who were denying Him to be the God-man, the Mediator, & the Messiah. (cont'd).
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 1
    Brother Ronald, the Spirit has also revealed the same to me:

    1 John 2:22-23
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on John 1
    Chris,

    Thank you so much for your time in answering me. It has been a while, but what I do remember, Ignatius was implemental in setting up the appointment of bishops and their authority, I feel this is what Jesus was referring to in Revelation about Nicolaitanes. What I remember of Polycarp, he was against the teaching of the immortal soul and idol worship.

    I understand the main debate was Jesus being created and not divine but they went too far. When Christianity went out some of the word meanings were influenced by Greek philosophy like the meaning of death it came from Plato, it was the separation of the soul and the body, and Aristotle wrote: "All things are true, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods;

    The trinity doctrine says the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are co-eternal and co-equal, scripture does not support that to me. If so, why are not all three the temple in ( Revelation 21:22)? When I was studying one day I came to this verse and it stood out like a magnifying glass was in front of it. ( 1 John 2:22-24)

    I'm sure you have a different understanding, but I feel if I say Jesus is God I am denying the Son, it is the Son and the Father, and when we make them one, we deny the Son and the Father. I know this is a subject that many will not even discuss and it is considered heresy not to believe in this doctrine, and I thank you for your reply.

    I assure you I am not of Gnosticism as some of the posts on here. Your kidney analogy was pretty good, your kidney is part of you, it will always be your kidney, but you gave it to save someone. God gave a part of Him, not created by Him, but out of Him to save you and me. Your kidney is part of you, it is from you, the same DNA, but after you take it out of you can you say it is you?

    I will ask you a question I have asked before, can a person receive salvation and be a Christian without believing in the trinity?

    God bless you and the work you do.

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman
    Sister Shawna, may CHRIST IN US grave us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Christ is the MAN ( Ephesians 5:23), we (the church) are the WOMAN ( Galatians 3:28).

    Christ is the TEMPLE (church)( Revelation 21:22).

    Christ (the Spirit of LIFE and TRUTH) lives IN US ( Colossians 1:27); therefore we become the TEMPLE ( 1 Corinthians 3:16), ALSO.

    We (the woman) are not to teach in the church (ourselves); but, the MAN (Holy Spirit) is to be our teacher.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Spirit) which you have received of him (Christ) abideth in you, and you need not that any man (only Christ, the Holy Spirit)) teach you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as he hath taught you, abide in him (the WORD(S) of GOD).
  • Jon - in Reply on 2 Timothy 3
    Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.

    I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems ( Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).

    When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).

    I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor ( Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us ( John 2:25).

    It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.

    BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.
  • Jon on 2 Timothy 3
    2 Timothy 3:13-17. Does this relate to things like 'Christian' psychologists or psychology in general? Things like the DSM or personality disorders, etc. Isn't God's word sufficient? Psychology is rooted in the wisdom of man (and from those who denied Christ no less like Freud and Jung) so why should we listen to them when we have the word of God? 1 Corinthians 2:5, Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 16:25, 2 Timothy 4:1-4, 1 John 2:15-17, Hebrews 4:12. Are these not related to 2 Timothy 3:13-17? Do we need to be 'diagnosed'? Are psychology and God's word compatible? If they are I would like to see some scripture that points to this (I know the Bible will not say 'psychology' specifically). This is important to me and my family as it is seeping in at the moment and I want to approach this biblically.


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