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  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 week ago
    GiGi,

    Part 4 Trinity discussion.

    Do you believe that the will of the Father and the will of the Son are always the same or different?

    Jesus was obedient to the Father, Jesus said many times it is not His will but the will of the Father who sent Him, the same as we are to do, John 4:34 John 5:30 Mark 3:35.

    Do you believe that a human being can truly save all men from sin and death by a perfect life in their own will?

    First, I will have to say it was the will of the Father, Jesus at the end even asked His father if there was another way but not Jesus's will but the will of His Father, Matthew 26:39 Luke 22:42. We are told this is the foundation of our faith, Jesus' sacrificial death. God cannot die God is Spirit He has no blood to shed for sin it had to be a man, His Son, born of a woman.

    John 3:16 God gave His Son not Himself 1 John 2:22 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7 Romans 5:8 2 Corinthians 5:21, God cannot be made sin, 1 Corinthians 15:17 Jesus died, and God raised Him from the dead, the first man to live a perfect life, the first fruits of those who sleep in death. 1 Corinthians 15:14 as said if Jesus was not a man who lived a perfect life and died and was raised from the dead all is vain.

    The first Adam was the first man Jesus was the last Adam and the second man, 1 Corinthians 15:45-47. 1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. The law had to be fulfilled by a man.

    How would a human being know that they are the Messiah from birth and thus know not to ever sin?

    As we see Luke 2:51-52 Jesus grew up increasing in wisdom and stature in favor with God and man. Jesus was twelve years old and He knew His father was God, but it doesn't say Jesus knew then He was to be the Messiah. God also said He would raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, Deuteronomy 18:15, Isaiah 11:1-5 Isaiah 61:1-2 confirmed in Luke 4:18-21. Romans 1:1-4 2 Timothy 2:8.

    See part 5
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 week ago
    GiGi,

    Part 3 Trinity discussion,

    Do you believe the Son is a created being?

    What is the meaning of created? Does it mean something that is made out of nothing? I would have to say no, Jesus is the Son of God who was conceived in the womb of Mary, Matthew 1:20 Luke 1:35, I do not think I would say He was created.

    If so, when did He come into existence?

    In God's plan before anything and physically when He was conceived in Mary's womb.

    Do you believe that the Son is only human in nature?

    Jesus is the Son of God fully human but without sin same as the first Adam, Scripture is clear when Jesus was baptized, He was anointed with the Holy Ghost/Spirit without measure, John 3:34. All the works of Jesus were done by the Spirit of God, Matthew 4:16 Matthew 12:28 Acts 10:38.

    Do you believe that Jesus became "the Christ" during His lifetime (Adoptionism)?

    I had never heard of Adoptionism until now, I had to look it up, it's false. Christ and Messiah are the same; Jesus was anointed by the Spirit of God after He was baptized by John, He then was made the Messiah/Christ fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 9:25. Jesus is the Son of God conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

    Do you believe Jesus ever aquired a divine nature in His earthly life?

    If you mean a divine nature is to have all the attributes that make God who He is I would have to say no. If so, Jesus could not sin or be tempted, Matthew 4:1 Hebrews 4:15. If so, Jesus living a perfect life without sin is meaningless. Jesus could not have died; Jesus was given the power of the Holy Spirit when He was anointed the Messiah. After He rose from the dead God gave Jesus all power in heaven and on earth, Matthew 28:18. God raised and placed Jesus on His right side, Ephesians 1:21-23. Jesus did not return to where He was before, God the Father placed everything under Jesus God's only begotten Son's feet and Jesus will reign until the last enemy is destroyed, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.

    See part 4.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Justification. Sanctification and Glorification.

    Part 5. J Vernon Mcgee. (Paul and James View Justification.)

    Therefore, we see that when Paul uses the term justification he is talking about a man's relationship with God; when James uses the same term, he is talking about a man's relationship with the world. One is perpendicular, and the other is horizontal.

    Paul and James View Faith.

    The same procedure runs true in their use of the term faith. Again, they mean something different. When Paul talks of faith he is talking about that which is toward God. Paul says that saving faith - a faith that is genuine and real - will transform a person's life. Paul said of himself,

    But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. ( Philippians 3:7)

    A real revolution took place in his life when he came to Christ. Looking again at Galatians 3:6, we read that "as Abraham believed Godit was accounted to him for righteousness." And then in Romans:

    But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. ( Romans 4:5)

    Paul is speaking here of that which we bring to God. The only thing that a sinner can bring to God is faith in Jesus Christ. When James writes about this, he is not talking about faith toward God but about the works of faith. So Paul is talking about the root of faith, and James is talking about the fruit of faith, but they are both defending the citadel of faith.

    Here in James 2:14.

    James is not talking about the works of the Law. The faith that James is talking about here is professing faith, that which is phony and counterfeit. Paul refers to the same idea when he says in 1 Corinthians 15:2, "unless ye have believed in vain." Paul also wrote, "Examine yourselves, whether you are in the faith" ( 2 Corinthians 13:5). James simply says that the faith which saves you will produce works-"works of faith.

    See Part 6. Paul and James View Faith.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Thank you Bennymkje for those extra comments on God's Creative Work, particularly noting you referred to the first Adam (Man) & the last Adam (the Man Christ Jesus). The first was from "the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven" ( 1 Corinthians 15:47). The first was created from the dust of the Earth, Jesus was never created from anything but was the Lord from Heaven sent to Earth in human form. Is this what you also believe?
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Hey Chris.

    Part one,

    As I said I am not the best in explaining my understanding and I will try, I feel you deserve it, for you have been gracious to even discuss this with me.

    1 Corinthians 15:47 This is after Jesus was raised from the dead and Paul is saying our Lord. First the earthy the first Adam then the spiritual the last Adam Jesus who did come from heaven when Jesus, God's Son was conceived in Mary's womb.

    We see in Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Jesus defeated death because He was without sin the firstborn from the dead the only man who lived a perfect life. After He was baptized and anointed God gave Him authority John 5:26-27.

    Matthew 1:20 Acts 17:31 Rev. 12:5 My understanding is the preexistence of Jesus was in God's plan before anything was created. A man caused sin to enter mankind and it had to be a man to live a perfect life to fulfill and make void the law, God could not do that.

    Hebrews 1:5 Jesus is not a God there is only one true God, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. a man who is God's Son conceived in Mary, who God raised in a glorified body and placed Him on His right side on His throne above all that is in heaven and earth and under the earth.

    See part two.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Chris,

    Part two,

    Hebrews 2:7 Jesus was fully human and was tempted just as we are Hebrews 4:15 God cannot be tempted, James 1:13. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 Philippians 2:9 again my understanding is all was in and through Jesus in the plan and forethought in the mind of God, logos.

    1 Peter 1:19-20 Yes in God's plan my understanding the Greek is not by whom but through whom the Greek word dia, same as in John 1:3 it is through Him not by Him. In Jesus and through Jesus being the first in God's plan came everything like you said "God's Plan & Purpose for redemption" the new creation that was in God's plan.

    Jesus was the beginning in God's plan and was begotten in Mary's womb. Like today where you and I are to God it is the same as if we were there with Him on the new earth and His plan has been completed. He is the beginning and the end, and it started with Jesus His Son before any creation and in and through Jesus came all and in the fulness of time He was brought forth into the world.

    As in John 1 God's word was manifested in the flesh of His Son Jesus. When Jesus was anointed and became the Messiah/Christ by the Holy Spirit, God was in Jesus and the words Jesus spoke were God's words. The light that shined through Jesus was God, the works were done by the Spirit of God in Jesus, all was done for the glory of God.

    I know you may not agree but that is my understanding and if you have any other questions, I will reply to the best of my ability, I own you that. Can I answer all, no I cannot, there are many verses that I am still in search of the truth of.

    Love you brother and God bless.

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Page 2. To Ronald.

    1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Philippians 2:9: yes, as a Son, Jesus is now subject to His Father & is exalted above all. Yet, the question remains unanswered, 'Who was Jesus prior to His Coming?' He wasn't called Jesus (though some believe in Christophany-type appearances in the OT), but the Scriptures, as I gave earlier, point to Him coming forth from within God.

    1 Peter 1:19-21: "If Jesus pre-existed how could he be foreordained?" Jesus was foreordained before His coming to Earth - that was God's Plan & Purpose for redemption. But this verse tells us that Jesus was in God's Plan, but it doesn't speak of where Jesus came from at the beginning; this One Who from God, had framed the worlds ( Hebrews 1:2). I would think it nonsense if any would believe that Jesus, after His appearing, then ascended to the Father, & then made the worlds.

    Rather than listing the Scriptures that show Jesus in the Flesh & returning to His Father triumphant (which we all agree to), we need to focus on whether the Scriptures show that He had a beginning before His earthly appearance - and these I gave which have not been addressed. Anyway, we'll leave it for now, as per your wish brother, but if any other 'non-trinitarian' wishes to continue this & specifically to exegete the Scriptures I gave earlier, then I will continue with it, as it is a most important doctrine to understand. Blessings.
  • Chris - 1 month ago
    To Brother Ronald Whittemore & others. I'm unable to respond to Ronald's last response to me, as the Reply button is missing (probably purposely done to limit the comments in that thread). So this one comes as a new Thread to address those matters.

    Page 1.

    Thanks again Ronald, and I note that you would like a recess on this discussion. But if I might briefly address the Scriptures you shared & why I believe that they don't answer the question, 'was Jesus' first appearance only from the womb of Mary, or did He exist in another Form within the Person of God?'

    To your references:

    1 Corinthians 15:47: "the second man is the Lord from Heaven" (not a Man Who became Lord, Who went into Heaven & then returned to Earth as Lord from Heaven - but the Lord Who was in Heaven & came to Earth, unlike the first man, Adam, Who was created from the Earth & back to the Earth he went).

    1 Timothy 2:5: yes, Jesus is the Mediator now between God & mankind after His ascension.

    Matthew 1:20, Acts 17:31, Revelation 12:5: yes again, all point to Jesus as a Man/Babe Who came from God - but no direct reference to any previous existence.

    Hebrews 1:5: indeed, Jesus became the Son of God by virtue of this miraculous Birth, but then God would have created another god, because 'all the angels of God are to worship Him'; & none can receive worship but God alone. You asked, "How could God say I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son if Jesus eternally existed with the Father?" Because God took His Word & gave Flesh to that Word, and this Flesh was brought into the World by the Work of God, which made this One called Jesus, God's Son. Jesus only became the Son of God at the Incarnation.

    Hebrews 2:7: Jesus was made "a little lower than the angels" by virtue of His Humanity. It seems there is an order of created beings before God: the angels being above humanity, of which Jesus was made, thus subjecting Him to being our equal.

    Onto Page 2.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 month ago
    Hi Richard,

    The verse doesn't say that. Paul states his preference in that verse.

    But in 1 Corinthians 5:3 Paul says he actually is absent in body, but present in spirit to the Corinthians.

    Luke 17:37 says wherever the body is (deceased) that eagles (like vultures) gather.

    Someone stating his preference to be with the Lord doesn't automatically invalidate all the other scripture in the Bible that says we will sleep (in death) until Jesus returns. But I know there's a strong incentive to believe it for funerals and because the phrase has been repeated so many times. No one skips judgment day though.

    Daniel 12:2, Job 14:12, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:18-20, Matthew 9:24.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 month ago
    "Richard H Priday"

    What my Lord JESUS said is that ' they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels (Example: Genesis 19:1-4. Take a look); and are the children of GOD, being the children of the resurrection.

    And Paul Apostle revealed: Philippians 3:20-21:

    20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:3-8. Take a look. Are you in heaven or not? Or you don't know?); from whence also WE LOOK for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

    21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BOVY(this is not a magic, this is a process, it is(will be) worked) that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the WORKING whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

    And Paul said more: 1 Corinthians 15:24-27 and 51-55:

    24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD( Revelation 11:15-18), even the Father; when he shall have PUT DOWN ALL RULE AND ALL AUTHORITY and POWER.

    25 For JESUS must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    51 Behold, I shew you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all BE CHANGED, (not by magic, but a process)

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (in the last seven years of the world of Devil- Revelation 11:15 and 18.Take a look), at the last Trump ( 1Thessalonians 4:16 combined with Daniel 12:1-3.Take a look):for the Trumpet shall sound( Revelation 11:15) and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 months ago
    Hi Giannis,

    Good to hear from you, very good question. First, the Roman Church elevated Mary to the queen of heaven the same title as Tammuz's mother we see Israel worshiping. They say she ascended to heaven and much more. If we look at Acts we see Paul said that David is still in his tomb and has not ascended to heaven, Acts 2:29 and Acts 2:34. Many believe after Jesus was resurrected saints were also resurrected and are in heaven and many pray to them. My understanding is no one has been resurrected all are in the grave asleep in death.

    When God through His Spirit the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead He placed Jesus above all that is in heaven, on earth, and under the earth, Philippians 2:9-11. God placed Jesus on His right hand on the throne of God, therefore giving Jesus the power of the throne.

    John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. Jesus also said John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

    God the Father and Jesus will dwell in us by the Spirit, not in temples made by hands like Jesus said in John 4:21-23 and we see in 1 Corinthians 3:16. We see in 1 John 4:12-16 it is by the Spirit that Jesus who is sitting on the right side of God on the throne of God as the only mediator between us and God has been given the power of the throne until all enemies are under His feet, 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

    My humble understanding it is by the Spirit of God/Holy Spirit that Jesus can see and hear all. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and His God is our God the Father as Jesus said to Mary John 20:17.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 21 - 3 months ago
    Hi Cheryl1655. The passage you read in Revelation 21:1-3 about the new heaven (sky) & new Earth and then the New Jerusalem coming down from Heaven, are events (including those in Revelation 22) that will take place right at the very end of earthly time as we know it. This account shows us the end of Satan & his influence on mankind, the end of sin & corruption, & the arrival of a complete renewal of God's original creation, with God in the midst. These are glorious visions which the Apostle John received from Jesus for those end times, and sadly the vision of all those who have rejected Jesus & loved to live in sin, hating the God of Heaven, these will go into punishment of everlasting fire ( Revelation 21:8).

    "The meeting in the sky" is what I believe you're referring to as the Rapture, or 'the snatching away' (Latin, 'rapio'; Greek, 'harpazo'), and this is referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, which the Apostle Paul's was teaching to those Churches. Now this event (the Rapture) is a subject that has a whole range of views & beliefs amongst Christians, as we piece together what information we're given in the Bible, figuring the how, when, where, this occurs (or, likely to occur). However, to answer your question, my understanding of the Scriptures is that the Rapture ('the lifting up of the living & dead in Christ & meeting Jesus in the sky') is the next great event in God's 'calendar', where His saved, holy ones are removed from the Earth before His Wrath is poured upon the Earth of unbelievers (otherwise called, the Great Tribulation of God's Wrath (see Matthew chapter 24)). See also 1 Thessalonians 1:10 & 1 Thessalonians 5:8-10.

    However one views this 'snatching away' & the Day of God's Wrath upon the Earth, the message to those IN CHRIST is clear: BE READY, Live lives pleasing to the Lord, that we may "not be ashamed before Him at His Coming" ( 1 John 2:28,29). GBU.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Hi Ronald.

    Part 1

    I was relating to Gigi's insert of Revelation 13:8. It parallels with 1 Peter 1:19-21 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    I don't believe Jesus had a mission to complete to "become" the unblemished Lamb of God. He existed in the realm of eternity in the God head before he took on flesh.

    You are correct, I was referring to 1 Corinthians 15.

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    (JESUS, A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT) In John 14:6-7 Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Jesus said this before he was crucified and resurrected.

    Verses 47-49

    The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    Jesus was the Heavenly before the foundation of the world, he didn't have to wait on the resurrection to be what he already is.

    The resurrection proved he is who he says he is.

    We are baptized into eternal life!

    Thats his life!

    Eternal has no beginning nor ending!

    Running out of space, See part 2.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Hi S Spencer,

    If I may ask, not to debate but just for my study and better understanding, Your reply to GiGi, It had to be the last Adam; A life-giving Spirit!! Not a living soul. This comes from 1 Corinthians 15, "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit". Forgive me if I misunderstood what you said (not a living soul).

    I understand Jesus was made a quickening spirit when He was resurrected. What do you mean by not a living soul? My understanding is that in Hebrews 2:17-18 Hebrews 14:2 1 John 4:2-3 would that not mean Jesus was a living soul like you and me except He was anointed without measure with the Spirit of God?

    Thanks, brother,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 months ago
    Jesus didn't have a mission to complete to "become" the unblemished Lamb of God.



    Jesus took on the sins of the whole world. (THAT MEANS MADE AVAILABLE)

    When we are born again "BORN OF GOD'S SPIRIT" We are saved!

    We can no longer be charged with sin. 1 John 3:9.

    The Holyspirit quicken these mortal bodies so we no longer "SERVE" sin. Romans 8:9-14.

    There is no way for a child of Adam to be saved apart from being born from above. He was born with an inherited sin nature.

    Unlike Jesus, we have to be born "Again" JESUS NEVER HAD TO DO THAT!

    He was conceived of the Holyspirit. Matthew 1:20.

    The penalty of sin was Judged/condemned/sentenced in the flesh. (In other words it was sin that was on trial, Not Jesus!

    I believe that's what that phrase means. (Condemned sin in the flesh)

    The meaning is separate from Jesus taking our judgment on the cross.

    There is one event but two trials taken place here.

    1) Our sins being Judged.

    2) The penalty of sin, which is Death.

    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Corinthians 15:49-57.

    God bless.
  • David0921 - 4 months ago
    The True Gospel (part 2)

    The true gospel has to do with the primary problem facing mankind, namely the wages of sin, which is death, and the penalty demanded by the law of God, which is the second death, eternal damnation. God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, into the world to save sinners. Christ, who is eternal God in every sense of the word, and who was without sin, was laden with the sins of all the elect who were given to him by the Father before the foundation of the world, which had nothing to do with their works. Christ paid the eternal penalty demanded by the law of God on behalf of the elect, and only the elect, who are just a remnant, a tiny part of the whole. Christ said, I and the Father are one.

    Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    1 Corinthians 15

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Continued in part 3
  • Mary Jay - 4 months ago
    What is TRUTH?

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

    Hebrews 2:8 .... we see not yet ALL THINGS put under him .....

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him ....God will be ALL in ALL....

    Revelation 13:8 And all they that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names are NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

    Psalms 86:9 All nations whom thou has made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name.

    Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall come and worship before thee.

    Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, Oh Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee, for thy judgements are made manifest.

    God bless you
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Hi Jesse,

    Part 1

    If I may add a few points to this subject, I know we have different understandings on this and I hope you will not be offended, these are questions I have asked myself. What does Scripture support, our soul is an immortal entity that consciously lives on after the death of the body or does it sleep in the grave until the resurrection? Is the definition of death a separation of the soul from the body or is it the end of life, a permanent cessation, and the grave is our home until we are resurrected?

    John 3:15-16 Without the belief in Jesus we will perish the Greek word apollumi means destroy utterly, to put out of the way entirely, abolish as in Psalms 37:10 Psalms 92:7 Proverbs 10:28-29 Job 20:4-7 Malachi 4:1-3 2 Peter 2:12.

    Matthew 10:28 we are to fear the one who can destroy the body and the soul in hell, the Greek word for destroy is apollumi same as perish, a permanent/absolute destruction. Hell, the Greek word is geenna the fire and smoke that goes up and burns forever that never goes out is a reference to the lake of fire. Job 17:13 the Hebrew word sheol is the same word translated as hell. Job 17:16 the word pit is the same Hebrew word.

    Our first death is sleep, Psalms 13:3 Daniel 12:2 Acts 13:36 1 Cor. 15:51. If all souls are immortal which means they have eternal life, the question must be asked, what is the gift of eternal life we see in John 3:15 John 6:54 Romans 6:23 Titus 1:2 1 John 2:25 Jude 1:21? If our soul is immortal, why do we have to put immortality on as said in 1 Corinthians 15:51-58?

    See part 2
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 4 months ago
    Sister Jema:

    1 Corinthians 15:26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

    Christ's resurrection destroyed death and we were Joint Heirs with Christ at his resurrection, being made ONE FLESH.

    Most Christians believe he died for our sin, but they don't believe they became ONE, as the Father and SON are ONE.

    The wages of UNBELIEF is DEATH.

    The Gift of BELIEF ia IMMORTAL LIFE and Christ ONLY has IMMORTAL LIFE ( 1 Timothy 6:16).

    God says he, by Christ's resurrection made a new creation, a family of SONS of God, the exactness of Christ, a priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.

    So there is a FIRST DEATH and a SECOND DEATH.

    Those who believe they DIED and were made ONE in Christ, will never die again ( Luke 20:36).

    Those who don't believe they DIED, and the resurrection made them ONE as the Father and Son and son are ONE will be cast into prison, the GRAVE ( Revelation 20:2-3).

    After God has gather all his SONS to be priest in the Kingdom, he will resurrect the unbelievers back to their flesh and blood bodies, they will be loosed out of their prison ( Revelation 20:7).

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of creation WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the SONS of GOD.

    After all the dead are raised at the second resurrection the Sons of God will preach the gospel to them about the truth of the resurrection, judge them by the words of God, and give them the truth and mercy given to us, and they will DIED the second death, and also become the SONS of God ( Isaiah 59:21).

    If you need more scriptures, ask.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Jesse - In Reply - 5 months ago
    (Part 2 of 4):

    Frankie,

    You sent me some verses with questions for me to answer. You asked, " 1 John 3:2-3, does this not say all that has this hope, we will be like Him, pure as He is pure?"

    This is not talking about our walk here on this earth. As long as we are in this body of flesh, we can never be pure as Jesus was pure. 1 John 3:2 is the confirmation of the future. When the Lord comes, He's going to be in a different dimension. He will be functioning in the Spirit dimension, that dimension we cannot see.

    When the Lord calls us up, and Paul mentions this in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, he says I want to show you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Our physical body is changed into a spiritual body. We will be in the same dimension, and we will see Jesus just as He is. That's the hope of the believer. It keeps us going.

    You ask, " 1 John 3:4-5, how can we be in Him & continue to sin in the least, in Whom there is no darkness at all.

    The answer to that is given in 1 John 3:9. You might believe we do not or cannot sin in the least because of these verses, but that's not the case. A believer will still sin. But a believer can no longer live a lifestyle of habitual sin. In other words, a believe can no longer practice sin. That is the literal meaning of 1 John 3:9.
  • Jordyn - In Reply on Hebrews 12:28 - 5 months ago
    Fast Demas Red 500;

    You don't have to pray to God to give you his BODY,

    It's already DONE, just give him thanks for HIS WORKS, you just have to suffer in this flesh for his sake, for an appointed time.

    Our hope is not in this age, but the age to come, after we are harvested by his angels.

    1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ....

    1 Corinthians 15:53 .... this mortal (you) shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ......

    1 Corinthians 15:38 ... to ever SEED Christ OWN BODY ......

    Matthew 8:13 ..... Be it done unto you as you BELIEVE ......

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Lee the Follower:

    Since you have not yet received an answer to your question, I would like to reply.

    There are two baptisms, John baptism of water, and Christ's baptism of truth and life.

    The true gospel has been lost to the traditions and teachings of man.

    The true gospel is what happened at Christ death and resurrection.

    You were BAPTISED into the DEATH and RESURRECTION of Christ, you were baptised into the NAME of Jesus.

    You DIED with Christ, you arose with Christ, you and Christ were MARRIED and became ONE, being raised together as ONE.

    All creation was MADE NEW, the new heavens and the new earth, at his resurrection.

    Salvation is about BELIEVING what God says he HAS DONE.

    Your saved from DEATH.

    1 Timothy 5:16 Christ ONLY has IMMORTALITY ...

    1 Corinthians 15:53 ... this mortal must PUT ON IMMORTALITY .....Christ only has immortality......

    Your were BAPTISED into LIFE of Christ by his resurrection.

    John 14:6 I AM the LIFE ....

    Romans 8:29 .... being predestinate (by the BAPTISM of his resurrection) TO BE conformed to the IMAGE of his son.

    You were RAISED a NEW CREATION;

    John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou has given me, I HAVE GIVEN THEM, that they maybe ONE, even as we are ONE.

    BELIEVE what God has done.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply on Hebrews 1 - 5 months ago
    Sister AngelEverett:

    God is Spirit:

    Christ is a man, the BODY of God.

    Christ has a GOD and a Father, but is is not THE GOD.

    God is the LIFE of Christ, God's BODY.

    Christ, the Body, only does what the SPIRIT, his God and Father, CAUSES him to say and do.

    All creation DIED on the cross of Christ, a NEW CREATION arose WITH CHRIST.

    Only ONE BODY AROSE from the grave, the BODY of CHRIST.

    IMMORTAL LIFE; Christ, never again to die, was resurrected, we were JOINT HEIRS with Christ at his resurrection.

    John 17:22 And the glory that thou has given me, I have given them, even as we are ONE, that they may also be ONE.

    Christ is a man with a glorified BODY, he can stand in the flesh, or be the spirit of truth, physically present or omnipresent.

    When you are harvested by the angels, in the twinkling of an eye, you will be the IMAGE of CHRIST.

    1 Corinthians 15:53 .....This mortal (you) shall PUT ON IMMORTALITY ...

    1 Timothy 6:16 ...... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ......

    The gift of God is eternal LIFE, Christ is eternal life, your GIFT is being JOINT HEIR of GOD, by Christ

    Christ is IN HEAVEN, at the right hand of his Father, but that heaven is the NEW HEAVEN ....this mystery ..... CHRIST IN YOU ....

    Christ SECOND COMING .... like a thief, no one saw him save the one that RECEIVED HIM.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 5 months ago
    Brother Ronald Whittemore:

    We constantly grow in the grace and knowledge of God, only in his time frame, his appointed time to each of his children.

    I think there is enough evidence through out the word of God that shows Christ is the angel of the Lord.

    Acts 27:23 And there stood before me this night the ANGEL of the Lord, whose I am, and whom I serve.

    We serve Christ, the angel (messenger) of the Lord (God).

    Galatians 4:14 ....but received me as an angel of God, EVEN AS Jesus Christ.

    Isaiah 63:9 In all their (creations) affections he (Christ) was afflicted, and the ANGEL of HIS (God's) presence SAVED them, in his (God's) love and his (God's) pity he (God) redeemed (through Christ, God's does all things through Christ) and bare them, and

    carried them all the days of old.

    There is many more scriptures, I like you try to keep comment short.

    God BLESS YOU as we grow together in the knowledge of God.

    Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE body ... ONE Spirit ....

    Ephesians 4:5 ..... ONE God ..... Father of ALL .... even angels .... above all ..... through you all .... and IN YOU ALL .....even angels.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 ..... that God may be ALL in ALL .....even angels .....

    Psalms 103:20 ....ye HIS ANGELS ......

    Romans 8:29 ...conformed to the IMAGE of HIS SON ....

    Luke 20:36 Neither can they died anymore, for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS (Christ being the angel of the Lord, and they were resurrected in his image), and are the children of God, being the children of the RESURRECTION.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    AMEN Frankie J:

    What is our cross for?

    To DIE on or cross.

    Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the DEATH (on our cross) of his saints.

    If we die on the cross of Christ, the we were MARRIED to him in his RESURRECTION.

    1 Corinthians 15:43 .... raised in GLORY .....

    1 Peter 1:21 WE by him (Christ) do BELIEVE in God, who raised him from the dead, and GAVE him GLORY....

    John 17:22 And the GLORY thou GAVEST ME, I have GIVEN them, that as we are ONE, they may BE ONE in us.

    There was ONLY ONE BODY raise at the RESURRECTION of Christ.

    Ephesians 4:4 .....ONE body .......

    1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of Christ ......

    Ezekiel 36:26 A NEW HEART will I give you .....

    1 Corinthians 2:16 .... ye have the MIND of Christ .....

    We are a NEW Creation, ONE BODY, with the heart and mind of Christ.

    Psalms 107:31 Oh that man would praise the LORD for his goodness, his wonderful works to the children of men!

    God Bless YOU!
  • Oseas - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brother GiGi

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    You said that you "don't know if the angels can see the Father, or if for all eternity they saw the Godhead in the Son even before He was incarnated".

    Remember that John the Baptist was an angel( Isaiah 40:1 to 14 reveal who is his person combined with Malachi 3:1), angels are born by the Power of the Word of GOD, by prophecy, even our Lord JESUS affirmed this( Matthew 11:9-10), and John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord, knew JESUS before His birth, as even he testified: John the Apostle wrote about the testimony of John the Baptist, saying: John 1:18 - 18 No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

    By the way, we must know with certainty through the Word of GOD that the TRUE BELIEVERS will be angels of GOD from now on, by the transformation and changing of the nature of them all, the Word of GOD will do it in the true believers, do you understand? Because they was born from GOD-from the Word-the Word is GOD- Philippians 3:20-21 combined with 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 and Romans 8:18-25, Believest thou this?)

    Our Lord JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36-

    35 - They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (next world-the Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18) and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL UNTO THE ANGELS; and are the children of GOD, being the children of the resurrection.

    Matthew 25:29 - For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

    Matthew 25:4-6

    4 - The wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

    5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and SLEPT. (Similar Genesis 2:21-25)

    6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; GO YE OUT(yes, GO OUT)TO MEET HIM.

    Come up hither- Revelation 4:1

    Hallelujah, praise our GOD
  • Oseas - 6 months ago
    1 Corinthians 15:v.45-46

    45 ...The first man Adam was made a living soul;the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,but that which is natural;and afterward that which is spiritual.

    Well, since the beginning the Word-i.e. GOD-had planned to make man in His image,but how once He is Spirit?GOD sent JESUS about 4000 years after Adam,the first earthly man.And JESUS said:My Father works hitherto,and I work- John 5:17.Notice that when JESUS said this, still very recently He was in the bosom of the Word- John 1:18-,but now He already was in person working together with the Word, i.e.GOD tghe Father, and it at the age 30 or so,then He revealed that His Father was still working, although it was the beginning of the fifth Day. But Jesus knew what He was talking about, so He said: I and my Father are One.

    The Word-i.e. GOD-is Spirit. How could man see an image of the Spirit? What is its image of the Spirit? It would be impossible to describe, unless it be created materially, physically, its own image. This explains why Israel always was tempted by the Devil to create an image of GOD for to worship it, and they made even a golden calf.

    According to the Word, first He needed to create an image from He Himself and that's what God did, and thus JESUS was born in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or in the turn of fourth to the fifth millennium. GOD sent JESUS, for"He loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. GOD sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;but that the world through Him might be saved.He that believeth on Him is not condemned:but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the NAME of the only begotten Son of GOD, JESUS.And this is the condemnation,that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"- John 3:v.16 to 19.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Brother Giannis:

    Galatians 2:20 I AM CRUCIFIED with Christ .......

    I BELIEVE God's word, I'm DEAD.

    ..... nevertheless I LIVE ...... yet NOT I, BUT CHRIST .......

    Psalms 1:2 ... his delight is the LAW of the Lord .....

    Romans 8:2 For the LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE in Christ ......

    John 14:6 .... I am the LIFE ......

    Ephesians 4:4 ..... ONE body ...... ONE Spirit .....

    1 Corinthians 15:38 ... to every SEED ..... his (Christ's) own BODY .....

    1 Corinthians 12:27 NOW ye are the BODY of Christ .....

    Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery ..... Christ in you ....

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and keep my judgements and DO THEM.

    I'm DEAD, dead men CANNOT sin.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Amen Bro dan:

    All men DIED (take up your cross and follow me in death), a NEW CREATION arose, the BODY of Christ, the bride, Christ's wife: and Christ being the HEAD of the BODY.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN (new birth, being RAISED as the body of Christ, and Christ as the head of that body) doth not commit sin, BECAUSE his SEED (the word of God, truth, life) remaineth IN HIM (this mystery, Christ IN YOU), and he CANNOT SIN

    WHY can't we sin: BECAUSE

    Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL put my SPIRIT (the Spirit that raised Christ) IN YOU, and I WILL CAUSE you to walk in my statutes, and TO KEEP my judgements and DO THEM.

    It's not our works (in that day they will say, did WE NOT): we do nothing it's all the WORKS OF GOD.

    Revelation 2:26 .... and KEEPS my WORKS .....

    Isaiah 26:10 ....TOGETHER (as ONE), with my DEAD BODY shall they ARISE .....

    Revelation 21:5 ..... I MAKE all things NEW ......

    John 17:22 And the GLORY that thou GAVEST ME, I have given them, that as WE ARE ONE, that may be ONE .

    Christ was RAISED with eternal (IMMORTAL) LIFE, we are joint-heirs of that eternal LIFE

    1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light .....

    1 Corinthians 15:53 ....this mortal MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY ....

    1 Corinthians 15:38 ... and to every SEED ..... HIS OWN BODY ......

    1 Corinthians 12:27 ..... ye are the BODY of CHRIST ......

    God BLESS YOU!

    God BLESS YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 6 months ago
    Hi Strobe.

    I would like to add a thought to what has already has been shared,, taking it from another angle.

    Romans 5:12-14 states as follows;

    "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    NEVERTHELESS DEATH REIGNED FROM ADAM TO MOSES, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    Being that by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men,

    Isn't it reasonable to think that if there were men and women before Adam that this plague of sin and death would have passed over them? They wouldn't have suffered death and would still be amongst us.

    WE ARE DESCENDENTS OF ADAM.

    1 Corinthians 15:45-49. "And so it is written, THE FIRST MAN "Adam" was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. "Jesus".

    Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    AND AS WE HAVE BORNE THE IMAGE OF THE EARTHY, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    God bless.


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